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Julio Jones fumble recovery TD (1 Viewer)

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I know this play comes up a time or two each year... It's not being scored in any of my leagues but I'm wondering what the ruling is? Of course I have Julio and of course I could use the points.

Do you guys just go with default? What is the official scoring on this?

 
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning

 
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It's pretty simple when the fumble goes directly from one offensive player to another offensive player.

Freeman gets credit for a 2-yard rush. In some leagues, he may also be penalized for a fumble.

Jones gets credit for a 0-yard "Fumble Recovery Touchdown". It's not a "Rushing Touchdown" and it's not a "Receiving Touchdown". It's a completely separate category, and if your league is not set up for this situation then you might not get credit for it.

 
For some reason these sometimes don't credit right away. It should eventually show up as an individual fumble recovery td or something like that. 6 pt's.

 
The scoring play which resulted in Julio Jones’ TD is defined as an Offensive Fumble Recovery for a Touchdown (OFRTD). If your league does not use this scoring category nor the category for Individual Fumble Recovery for a touchdown (IFRTD), then teams in your league will not receive points for this play and any similar play. If your league uses either scoring category, then your Fantasy GameTracker will update this evening. Please be advised that this category does not score live
 
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning
I am commish in a league on CBSSportsline and as the owner of Julio I did not get credit for the TD. In looking at the scoring system there is no provision I can see where you can get a TD for fumble recovery TDs. I think it should he should be credited for it.

 
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning
I am commish in a league on CBSSportsline and as the owner of Julio I did not get credit for the TD. In looking at the scoring system there is no provision I can see where you can get a TD for fumble recovery TDs. I think it should he should be credited for it.
It's a common method of scoring, but only about 1/2 of all leagues give credit for it. An experienced commish shouldnhave seen this happening at some point but if it's not in your scoring rules, you certainly can't go back and add it now.

 
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)

I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning
I am commish in a league on CBSSportsline and as the owner of Julio I did not get credit for the TD. In looking at the scoring system there is no provision I can see where you can get a TD for fumble recovery TDs. I think it should he should be credited for it.
It's a common method of scoring, but only about 1/2 of all leagues give credit for it. An experienced commish shouldnhave seen this happening at some point but if it's not in your scoring rules, you certainly can't go back and add it now.
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)

I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning
I am commish in a league on CBSSportsline and as the owner of Julio I did not get credit for the TD. In looking at the scoring system there is no provision I can see where you can get a TD for fumble recovery TDs. I think it should he should be credited for it.
It's a common method of scoring, but only about 1/2 of all leagues give credit for it. An experienced commish shouldnhave seen this happening at some point but if it's not in your scoring rules, you certainly can't go back and add it now.
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)

I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning
I am commish in a league on CBSSportsline and as the owner of Julio I did not get credit for the TD. In looking at the scoring system there is no provision I can see where you can get a TD for fumble recovery TDs. I think it should he should be credited for it.
It's a common method of scoring, but only about 1/2 of all leagues give credit for it. An experienced commish shouldnhave seen this happening at some point but if it's not in your scoring rules, you certainly can't go back and add it now.
wCBS does not have this scoring option to adjust.
 
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning
I am commish in a league on CBSSportsline and as the owner of Julio I did not get credit for the TD. In looking at the scoring system there is no provision I can see where you can get a TD for fumble recovery TDs. I think it should he should be credited for it.
The scoring play which resulted in Julio Jones’ TD is defined as an Offensive Fumble Recovery for a Touchdown (OFRTD). If your league does not use this scoring category nor the category for Individual Fumble Recovery for a touchdown (IFRTD), then teams in your league will not receive points for this play and any similar play. If your league uses either scoring category, then your Fantasy GameTracker will update this evening. Please be advised that this category does not score live

 
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning
I am commish in a league on CBSSportsline and as the owner of Julio I did not get credit for the TD. In looking at the scoring system there is no provision I can see where you can get a TD for fumble recovery TDs. I think it should he should be credited for it.
It's a common method of scoring, but only about 1/2 of all leagues give credit for it. An experienced commish shouldnhave seen this happening at some point but if it's not in your scoring rules, you certainly can't go back and add it now.
Sure you can. It's not like anyone constructed their lineups based on the omission of the "Fumble Recovery TD" option.

 
lazyike said:
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning
I am commish in a league on CBSSportsline and as the owner of Julio I did not get credit for the TD. In looking at the scoring system there is no provision I can see where you can get a TD for fumble recovery TDs. I think it should he should be credited for it.
The scoring play which resulted in Julio Jones’ TD is defined as an Offensive Fumble Recovery for a Touchdown (OFRTD). If your league does not use this scoring category nor the category for Individual Fumble Recovery for a touchdown (IFRTD), then teams in your league will not receive points for this play and any similar play. If your league uses either scoring category, then your Fantasy GameTracker will update this evening. Please be advised that this category does not score live
http://zx12.football.cbssports.com/setup/league-settings/scoring-system. Show me the (OFRTD) or the (IFRTD) on the page. I see none. It may be not a matter if your league doesn't use this category, it may be a matter if the website you use doesn't have this option.
cbs has it. Check your league details to see if you included it in your scoring.

 
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning
I am commish in a league on CBSSportsline and as the owner of Julio I did not get credit for the TD. In looking at the scoring system there is no provision I can see where you can get a TD for fumble recovery TDs. I think it should he should be credited for it.
It's a common method of scoring, but only about 1/2 of all leagues give credit for it. An experienced commish shouldnhave seen this happening at some point but if it's not in your scoring rules, you certainly can't go back and add it now.
Sure you can. It's not like anyone constructed their lineups based on the omission of the "Fumble Recovery TD" option.
If it wasn't a part of the league scoring rules when the league drafted, then the commish certainly cannot change it in week 5. The league can address the issue and make appropriate changes next season, but for a commish to make a mid-season rule change to benefit his own team would be shady to put it mildly.

 
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning
I am commish in a league on CBSSportsline and as the owner of Julio I did not get credit for the TD. In looking at the scoring system there is no provision I can see where you can get a TD for fumble recovery TDs. I think it should he should be credited for it.
It's a common method of scoring, but only about 1/2 of all leagues give credit for it. An experienced commish shouldnhave seen this happening at some point but if it's not in your scoring rules, you certainly can't go back and add it now.
Sure you can. It's not like anyone constructed their lineups based on the omission of the "Fumble Recovery TD" option.
If it wasn't a part of the league scoring rules when the league drafted, then the commish certainly cannot change it in week 5.
Yes you can and yes you should change it. It's not shady. I'd say it's more shady to NOT allow the TD.

Also, you're being a tool if you argue with a straight face that it wasn't part of the league scoring rules. Nobody intentionally sets up their league this way.

 
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning
I am commish in a league on CBSSportsline and as the owner of Julio I did not get credit for the TD. In looking at the scoring system there is no provision I can see where you can get a TD for fumble recovery TDs. I think it should he should be credited for it.
It's a common method of scoring, but only about 1/2 of all leagues give credit for it. An experienced commish shouldnhave seen this happening at some point but if it's not in your scoring rules, you certainly can't go back and add it now.
Sure you can. It's not like anyone constructed their lineups based on the omission of the "Fumble Recovery TD" option.
changing scoring rules post game is garbage. For the commish to do so when it benefits the commish is grounds for impeachment

 
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning
I am commish in a league on CBSSportsline and as the owner of Julio I did not get credit for the TD. In looking at the scoring system there is no provision I can see where you can get a TD for fumble recovery TDs. I think it should he should be credited for it.
It's a common method of scoring, but only about 1/2 of all leagues give credit for it. An experienced commish shouldnhave seen this happening at some point but if it's not in your scoring rules, you certainly can't go back and add it now.
Sure you can. It's not like anyone constructed their lineups based on the omission of the "Fumble Recovery TD" option.
If it wasn't a part of the league scoring rules when the league drafted, then the commish certainly cannot change it in week 5.
Yes you can and yes you should change it. It's not shady. I'd say it's more shady to NOT allow the TD.

Also, you're being a tool if you argue with a straight face that it wasn't part of the league scoring rules. Nobody intentionally sets up their league this way.
actually....many do. This problem comes up literrally EVERY SINGLE YEAR and is discussed ad nauseum right here in the shark pool....EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

Many leagues don't give points to individuals for kick or punt return TDs. Many count opponent defensive TDs as point against their teams defense. These things make just as little sense.

What makes sense is for the commish and league to be aware of how EVERY point can possibly be scored and if they want them to count, than they explicitly state such in their rules. If it isn't stated there...it doesn't count. period

This is not a gray area.

 
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning
I am commish in a league on CBSSportsline and as the owner of Julio I did not get credit for the TD. In looking at the scoring system there is no provision I can see where you can get a TD for fumble recovery TDs. I think it should he should be credited for it.
It's a common method of scoring, but only about 1/2 of all leagues give credit for it. An experienced commish shouldnhave seen this happening at some point but if it's not in your scoring rules, you certainly can't go back and add it now.
Sure you can. It's not like anyone constructed their lineups based on the omission of the "Fumble Recovery TD" option.
If it wasn't a part of the league scoring rules when the league drafted, then the commish certainly cannot change it in week 5.
Yes you can and yes you should change it. It's not shady. I'd say it's more shady to NOT allow the TD.

Also, you're being a tool if you argue with a straight face that it wasn't part of the league scoring rules. Nobody intentionally sets up their league this way.
Being commissioner requires a certain level ethics and integrity. Those who can't or won't meet those requirements should not commish. Any commissioner who only notices a flaw in the scoring setup when it negatively effects his own team, and then retroactively changes the scoring setup to benefit his team, is lacking in the qualities that make a good commish.

 
I think you absolutely can and should make the change GOING FORWARD. As in, for week 6 and beyond.

Hopefully it didn't affect a game's outcome. That would make it easier.

Also, I'm assuming the league would vote in the change -- not a Commish decision.

If it didn't affect a game, your league dodged a bullet. Don't risk it happening later in the year. Make a change now. No reason to wait until the offseason.

 
I think you absolutely can and should make the change GOING FORWARD. As in, for week 6 and beyond.

Hopefully it didn't affect a game's outcome. That would make it easier.

Also, I'm assuming the league would vote in the change -- not a Commish decision.

If it didn't affect a game, your league dodged a bullet. Don't risk it happening later in the year. Make a change now. No reason to wait until the offseason.
The NFL doesn't make mid-season rule changes, and neither should your fantasy league. The only exception might be if the league members voted unanimously for a mid-season rule change. The commish should notify the league of the issue so everyone knows that this could happen in the future, then propose that the rule be changed during the off-season.

 
I think you absolutely can and should make the change GOING FORWARD. As in, for week 6 and beyond.

Hopefully it didn't affect a game's outcome. That would make it easier.

Also, I'm assuming the league would vote in the change -- not a Commish decision.

If it didn't affect a game, your league dodged a bullet. Don't risk it happening later in the year. Make a change now. No reason to wait until the offseason.
The NFL doesn't make mid-season rule changes, and neither should your fantasy league. The only exception might be if the league members voted unanimously for a mid-season rule change. The commish should notify the league of the issue so everyone knows that this could happen in the future, then propose that the rule be changed during the off-season.
I would change it immediately, regardless, and apply it going forward. It doesn't even need a league vote, just send an email notifying all owners. It's not like going from a 4pt to a 6pt TD or a non PPR to a PPR rule; in other words not a rule that affects strategy. It's about a random event that rarely occurs. Best to have it covered. Why would there be any pushback from any owner going forward? Changing the rule benefits everyone.

 
My league counts kickoff and punt return Tds for the individual. It is just assumed u score a Td u get the points.

Our scoring setup on mfl does not allot points to Jones.

The setup not the spirit of the rule is at fault.

Of course I am commish and have Jones. I'll likely lose regardless. But if u score a Td u score a Td.

I'll put it to league vote and award points if it us unanimous.

 
I am in two Yahoo leagues. Both are set up for offensive fumble return touchdowns to be worth six points. In one league my opponent had Jones and got credit for the touchdown. In the other, where I am the commissioner and have Jones, there was no credit given for the touchdown. What?!!? WHAT?!!?

I won both games but that is not the point. WTF is wrong with Yahoo here?

These are both redraft leagues, luckily. Next year I will play elsewhere.

Also at Yahoo this year, I "lost" a playoff game 5-5 as the 1 seed.

 
My general rule of thumb on these situations can be summed up as follows: "What would you do if the internet didn't exist?"

And in this case, I think the answer is an overwhelming "Duh, of course it would have counted as a touchdown."

 
I can't believe any league or any commissioner would consider for a second to change a scoring rule in the middle of the season. If you can't point to it in your current league rules it's not a scoring play. Remember it and amend the rules for next season if you want.

 
I got boned on this play too. I am the commish of my league and I will be putting it to a vote to make sure scores like this get counted in the future but no way I can give myself 6 points for this. That's too damn bad but any good commish would never do such a thing.

 
I can't believe any league or any commissioner would consider for a second to change a scoring rule in the middle of the season. If you can't point to it in your current league rules it's not a scoring play. Remember it and amend the rules for next season if you want.
There is a difference between "League Rules" and "League Settings". The latter should never be considered to be a substitute for the former.

 
MFL - "Offensive Fumble Recovery TD"

This happens every year, how are people still missing this?

 
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I noticed the ball moved forward on this play before Jones recovered it. Didn't they ban forward progression on a fumble after the "holy-roller" incident?

 
No wrong answers here... simply have to live with how your scoring has been set up (to date).

Save it for the docket at the off-season banquet. :yes:

 
I noticed the ball moved forward on this play before Jones recovered it. Didn't they ban forward progression on a fumble after the "holy-roller" incident?
I'm not positive, but the Holy Roller rule might only apply in the last few minutes of either half.

 
MFL - "Offensive Fumble Recovery TD"

This happens every year, how are people still missing this?
Probably because the option is not properly explained, so commissioners setting up new leagues don't select it. You live, you learn.
If your commissioner failed to select it when setting up the league, then it's not an official rule. It's just a clerical error and therefore subject to being fixed mid-season.

 
I can't believe any league or any commissioner would consider for a second to change a scoring rule in the middle of the season. If you can't point to it in your current league rules it's not a scoring play. Remember it and amend the rules for next season if you want.
It's obviously a mistake on the commissioner's part in the first place. A clerical error, as one put it. In a league with strangers, I guess you have to leave it. In a league with friends, give the guy his points, ########.

 
I can't believe any league or any commissioner would consider for a second to change a scoring rule in the middle of the season. If you can't point to it in your current league rules it's not a scoring play. Remember it and amend the rules for next season if you want.
It's obviously a mistake on the commissioner's part in the first place. A clerical error, as one put it. In a league with strangers, I guess you have to leave it. In a league with friends, give the guy his points, ########.
It's an "option" for a reason. Some league may, for whatever reason, choose not to give points for fumbles recovered for TD. If your commish 'forgot' to check the box, and nobody in the league noticed until week 5, then the league needs to ride it out until end of season. It's not like this is something that is likely to be an ongoing problem throughout the season.

 
Question for the "commish can't change the rule in mid-season" folks: did u know that fantasy football predates league management websites?

 
I can't believe any league or any commissioner would consider for a second to change a scoring rule in the middle of the season. If you can't point to it in your current league rules it's not a scoring play. Remember it and amend the rules for next season if you want.
It's obviously a mistake on the commissioner's part in the first place. A clerical error, as one put it. In a league with strangers, I guess you have to leave it. In a league with friends, give the guy his points, ########.
It's an "option" for a reason. Some league may, for whatever reason, choose not to give points for fumbles recovered for TD. If your commish 'forgot' to check the box, and nobody in the league noticed until week 5, then the league needs to ride it out until end of season.
What if the commish forgot to check the box for passing touchdowns. Would you still be arguing to leave the settings in place for the rest of the season? This is no different.
 
I can't believe any league or any commissioner would consider for a second to change a scoring rule in the middle of the season. If you can't point to it in your current league rules it's not a scoring play. Remember it and amend the rules for next season if you want.
It's obviously a mistake on the commissioner's part in the first place. A clerical error, as one put it. In a league with strangers, I guess you have to leave it. In a league with friends, give the guy his points, ########.
It's an "option" for a reason. Some league may, for whatever reason, choose not to give points for fumbles recovered for TD. If your commish 'forgot' to check the box, and nobody in the league noticed until week 5, then the league needs to ride it out until end of season.
What if the commish forgot to check the box for passing touchdowns. Would you still be arguing to leave the settings in place for the rest of the season? This is no different.
My opinion:

If your league has written rules and the configuration was wrong then it should be updated, retroactively.

If it was overlooked completely then review in the off-season.

If you want to be "that guy" and force the issue then I think a unanimous decision by all owners should be required to change it now. Some leagues will allow unanimous by all teams not in a matchup containing the player in question. I would vote AGAINST making the change as it could not only change this week's result but also playoff seeding later on.

Full disclosure, I played against JJ today and the TD was not credited to my opponent. He has not complained (that I know of). Even if credited, I would expect Gates to get me the 2 points needed to win tonight so my vote would assume that i win anyway.

 
Fumble recovery TD. Pretty straightforward, should be worth 6.
Yes just checked my league rules and there is a provison for it. I didn't know if the league sees it diffeently when it happens in the endzone. I seem to remember it last with Darrell Jackson or a Seattle player)I guess it will show up or I'll alert my commish in the morning
I am commish in a league on CBSSportsline and as the owner of Julio I did not get credit for the TD. In looking at the scoring system there is no provision I can see where you can get a TD for fumble recovery TDs. I think it should he should be credited for it.
CBS has a setting for it, but you need to add it as a scoring category.

 
I can't believe any league or any commissioner would consider for a second to change a scoring rule in the middle of the season. If you can't point to it in your current league rules it's not a scoring play. Remember it and amend the rules for next season if you want.
It's obviously a mistake on the commissioner's part in the first place. A clerical error, as one put it. In a league with strangers, I guess you have to leave it. In a league with friends, give the guy his points, ########.
It's an "option" for a reason. Some league may, for whatever reason, choose not to give points for fumbles recovered for TD. If your commish 'forgot' to check the box, and nobody in the league noticed until week 5, then the league needs to ride it out until end of season.
What if the commish forgot to check the box for passing touchdowns. Would you still be arguing to leave the settings in place for the rest of the season? This is no different.
A silly hypothetical because it would never happen, at least not without being noticed by at least one league member prior to opening night. If it was an oversight that a lazy, uninvolved league membership did not catch, then I guess QBs are going to be devalued in that league...unless, of course, there is a unanimous vote to correct the oversight. Individual league owners should never be put in a position of having to trust the commissioners word that he 'forgot' to do something, or 'intended' something else...especially after 5 weeks when the retroactive change would benefit the Commish and/or alter the week's results. Too many commissioners view the job as a power trip rather than the service it should be.

 
I can't believe any league or any commissioner would consider for a second to change a scoring rule in the middle of the season. If you can't point to it in your current league rules it's not a scoring play. Remember it and amend the rules for next season if you want.
It's obviously a mistake on the commissioner's part in the first place. A clerical error, as one put it. In a league with strangers, I guess you have to leave it. In a league with friends, give the guy his points, ########.
It's an "option" for a reason. Some league may, for whatever reason, choose not to give points for fumbles recovered for TD. If your commish 'forgot' to check the box, and nobody in the league noticed until week 5, then the league needs to ride it out until end of season.
What if the commish forgot to check the box for passing touchdowns. Would you still be arguing to leave the settings in place for the rest of the season? This is no different.
My opinion:

If your league has written rules and the configuration was wrong then it should be updated, retroactively.

If it was overlooked completely then review in the off-season.

If you want to be "that guy" and force the issue then I think a unanimous decision by all owners should be required to change it now. Some leagues will allow unanimous by all teams not in a matchup containing the player in question. I would vote AGAINST making the change as it could not only change this week's result but also playoff seeding later on.

Full disclosure, I played against JJ today and the TD was not credited to my opponent. He has not complained (that I know of). Even if credited, I would expect Gates to get me the 2 points needed to win tonight so my vote would assume that i win anyway.
Absolutely. A written rule in the league constitution takes precedence over everything.

 
Trouble with changing it now...this isn't the first occurrence of this play this season. You going to retroactively adjust all the previous week's results?

This is why changes should only be made going forward...

 
Trouble with changing it now...this isn't the first occurrence of this play this season. You going to retroactively adjust all the previous week's results?

This is why changes should only be made going forward...
What player or players were involved in prior weeks?

 

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