Sugar Huddle
Footballguy
Can he be the next Megatron or should I be tempering my enthusiasm for his prospects?
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Maybe more like the next Nicks.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
At the moment it is hard to determine his status with the hammy. A rookie WR with an injury is not uncommon and when you consider the fact that Ryan has looked average as a passer this year- I can see the Falcons relying on their running game to keep them in the divisional race. With that being said, Jones has the talent but it might take a season or two for him to really get it going on a weekly basis. Hoping that he shows his talents this year as he is taking up a roster spot on many FF rosters. Looking for some tall numbers from him in the second half.
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I've always believed in his talent. He's got upper echelon, top shelf goods. But the hammy injury has me spooked. A full two weeks and going into a third and no bright optimistic signs of an impending return. Just speculation. How bad is the hammy? It's creating a lot of doubt moving forward. He may be a buy low if you are willing to take a risk.
GregR
Footballguy
Which would make him the next Isaac Bruce.
Mapmaker
Footballguy
I think it's way too early to make a call on where Jones will come down as an NFL receiver ... it is his first season and very few 1st season players especially WR's show enough to give an accurate read as to what they'll be producing 2 or 3 years out ... Megatron didn't set the league on fire year 1, playing 15 games, 48 catches, 756 Yds 50.4 Y/G, 15.8 Avg, 49 Long, 3.6 YAC, 38 1stD, 4 TD .... Jones numbers match up fairly well to date 5 GP, 25 catches, 358 Yds, 71.6 Y/G, 14.3 Avg, 49 Long, 6.1 YAC, 16 1stD, 0 TD .... since we all know TD's are a random variable and can happen at any time during the season I really don't see any difference here at all ... especially anything that gives me insight to project a career path .... comparing 1 players greatness to anothers with such a small sample size is total folly.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
... I'd be happy if he was "the next A.J. Green" ...
ClevelandRocks
Footballguy
Hes a talent, just rooting for the Falcons too loose some more games too better the Browns 2nd first rounder this year.....an also cant get over the fact that someone dropped him last week in one of my leagues, and i was glad to snag him right up.
loose circuits
Footballguy
well, considering the bye week he's probably going to be out 3 weeks. Not sure I've ever seen a player play during their teams bye week.As far as "bring optimistic signs" of his return I'd say going through pre-game warm-ups is a sign he's going to return after the bye, no?
This kid is a monster talent and I wish he was a Bear wr.He has the short burst, good hands and separation into the third level of the defense.I agree he is more like Hakeem Nicks than Calvin Johnson - biggest difference is that Calvin and someone like Fitzgerald are excellent with the jump ball throws.Short term the hamstring is an issue.Longer term it is his qb - a talent like Julio Jones needs either 1) a gutty qb who has some stones and gives him a chance to make a big play 2) a qb with a rocket for an arm who can throw a semi decent out pattern. He has neither.As long as he is thrown to by Matty Mouse temper your enthusiasm.'Sugar Huddle said:
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I sure hope that is a good sign. And yes, was well aware of the third week was a bye week. Thanks.
Ditka is God
Footballguy
He is a special talent. The Falcons are thrilled with him but the hamstring could be a problem for a while. I read somewhere (perhaps the AJC) within the last 2 days that he might not be ready to play in Week 9. Longer term, I would not be the least but surprised if he is a Top 5 WR next year and beyond. He's that good.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
As a Falcon fan, I can give my early reviews/opinion:
1) From what I've seen, he will be an impact player in this league. He has shown a consistent ability to get behind the defense and his numbers would be significantly better if Ryan threw a better/more accurate deep ball.
2) Ryan is fine on throws with regard to arm strength/accuracy when he doesn't need to put alot of air underneath the ball. But even on throws where he's lofting it 40-45 yards total down the sideleine (so like a 25-30 yard pass downfield) and arm strength isn't an issue, I find that he errs on the side of caution and overthrows his receiver all too frequently. I'd compare this to a golfer who struggles with touch in his short game. As such, until Ryan improves in this area...JJ's cap will be limited. Also, Ryan is averse to throwing 1-on-1 jump balls which would seem to be an area that JJ would eventually be very good at with his size/vertical combo. Roddy is not that type of WR (6'0) and the big WR that Falcons had previously (Jenkins) was not that kind of WR.
Through 5 games, Julio was leading the Falcons in receptions and yards and had strung together 2 100 yard games, so he was showing up. He abused SEA's secondary. The problem for the Falcons is that in the short term, they are a better team with Michael Turner at the center of their offensive attack. However, they'll struggle to compete against the elite air attack teams in the long term by sticking with this offensive philosophy.
3) Ryan is a tough kid...I love his leadership abilities and intangibles. But his physical measurables ae proving to be average IMO which isn't a death knell, but I wonder if he'll ultimately be able to make full use of two WR's the caliber of what he has. A player that Ryan I think would make incredible use of his a LeSean McCoy type player who is a weapon out of the backfield catching the ball.
Overall, Julio will be a player no doubt. The hamstring is not an issue. Talk radio reports in Atlanta thought that by the way he was going through pre-game warm-ups against DET that he looked ready to play. 2 more weeks will have him at 100%.
1) From what I've seen, he will be an impact player in this league. He has shown a consistent ability to get behind the defense and his numbers would be significantly better if Ryan threw a better/more accurate deep ball.
2) Ryan is fine on throws with regard to arm strength/accuracy when he doesn't need to put alot of air underneath the ball. But even on throws where he's lofting it 40-45 yards total down the sideleine (so like a 25-30 yard pass downfield) and arm strength isn't an issue, I find that he errs on the side of caution and overthrows his receiver all too frequently. I'd compare this to a golfer who struggles with touch in his short game. As such, until Ryan improves in this area...JJ's cap will be limited. Also, Ryan is averse to throwing 1-on-1 jump balls which would seem to be an area that JJ would eventually be very good at with his size/vertical combo. Roddy is not that type of WR (6'0) and the big WR that Falcons had previously (Jenkins) was not that kind of WR.
Through 5 games, Julio was leading the Falcons in receptions and yards and had strung together 2 100 yard games, so he was showing up. He abused SEA's secondary. The problem for the Falcons is that in the short term, they are a better team with Michael Turner at the center of their offensive attack. However, they'll struggle to compete against the elite air attack teams in the long term by sticking with this offensive philosophy.
3) Ryan is a tough kid...I love his leadership abilities and intangibles. But his physical measurables ae proving to be average IMO which isn't a death knell, but I wonder if he'll ultimately be able to make full use of two WR's the caliber of what he has. A player that Ryan I think would make incredible use of his a LeSean McCoy type player who is a weapon out of the backfield catching the ball.
Overall, Julio will be a player no doubt. The hamstring is not an issue. Talk radio reports in Atlanta thought that by the way he was going through pre-game warm-ups against DET that he looked ready to play. 2 more weeks will have him at 100%.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Well they have a bye this week, so you probably wouldn't heat much news (especially with the new bye week rules for practices). If he's not back for Week 9, then maybe there should be some concern.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That could be Jacquizz Rodgers.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
I'm not a huge Ryan fan, but the piling on is becoming a bit much. Roddy was able to average 96/1309/9 over the last three years with Ryan tossing the rock. I'd be thrilled with that from Julio. If your worried about Roddy only doing that because he was Ryan's only legit option, remember that Gonzo averaged 83/860/7 over the same time frame. Looking at the Falcons, it seems to me like they are a team in transition. They are still tied to their run first roots with Turner. However, Turner is about to turn 30 years old. Tony Gonzalez is probably playing his last season. I think in 2012 this offense is going to revolve around Ryan to White and Jones.
Seems like Julio has the tools and attitude to succeed. Going for 6/115 and 11/127 in his 3rd and 4th pro games would seem to show a pretty bright future as well.
Dought Man
Footballguy
ATL wants to run the ball, eat clock and check down to Gonzo and Roddy White on passing plays. They rarely look to push it downfield. Maybe this will change, but I think this impacts Julio's upside a bit.
loose circuits
Footballguy
do you have a link for that? I haven't seen anything like that and was counting on him being ready. The AJC doesn't seem to have anything as this was written on Monday: http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/falcons-limp-into-bye-1209119.html and only says:
also did a google search which returned no applicable results
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Megatron hurt his tailbone/back in the 2nd or 3rd game of his rookie season. IIRC, he was never truly 100% the rest of the year.And no wr in the league is as talented as Megatron. IMO, Jones isn't even the most talented rookie wr this season (Green is).I think it's way too early to make a call on where Jones will come down as an NFL receiver ... it is his first season and very few 1st season players especially WR's show enough to give an accurate read as to what they'll be producing 2 or 3 years out ... Megatron didn't set the league on fire year 1, playing 15 games, 48 catches, 756 Yds 50.4 Y/G, 15.8 Avg, 49 Long, 3.6 YAC, 38 1stD, 4 TD .... Jones numbers match up fairly well to date 5 GP, 25 catches, 358 Yds, 71.6 Y/G, 14.3 Avg, 49 Long, 6.1 YAC, 16 1stD, 0 TD .... since we all know TD's are a random variable and can happen at any time during the season I really don't see any difference here at all ... especially anything that gives me insight to project a career path .... comparing 1 players greatness to anothers with such a small sample size is total folly.
Agree with others that Nicks is a good comparison for Jones' ceiling.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
I don't find google all that great for stuff like this.you could try this site:http://www.topix.net/search/article?q=julio+jones
Link
"He said after practice that treatment was helping, but added that he's not certain to play after Atlanta returns from its bye week Nov. 6 at Indianapolis."
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Other than Julio being bigger, stronger and faster than Nicks I'd have to agree. Nicks: 4.51 40 yard dash, 36" vertical jump, 6' 1/2" 212lbsMegatron hurt his tailbone/back in the 2nd or 3rd game of his rookie season. IIRC, he was never truly 100% the rest of the year.And no wr in the league is as talented as Megatron. IMO, Jones isn't even the most talented rookie wr this season (Green is).I think it's way too early to make a call on where Jones will come down as an NFL receiver ... it is his first season and very few 1st season players especially WR's show enough to give an accurate read as to what they'll be producing 2 or 3 years out ... Megatron didn't set the league on fire year 1, playing 15 games, 48 catches, 756 Yds 50.4 Y/G, 15.8 Avg, 49 Long, 3.6 YAC, 38 1stD, 4 TD .... Jones numbers match up fairly well to date 5 GP, 25 catches, 358 Yds, 71.6 Y/G, 14.3 Avg, 49 Long, 6.1 YAC, 16 1stD, 0 TD .... since we all know TD's are a random variable and can happen at any time during the season I really don't see any difference here at all ... especially anything that gives me insight to project a career path .... comparing 1 players greatness to anothers with such a small sample size is total folly.
Agree with others that Nicks is a good comparison for Jones' ceiling.
Julio: 4.34 40 yard dash, 38.5" vertical jump, 6' 2 1/2" 220lbs
Nicks is a very good WR no doubt. He just doesn't have the tools that Julio Jones does. Now that doesn't necessitate that Julio WILL be a better WR, he just has a higher ceiling due to his physical attributes.
Julio ran a faster combine than TO did coming out, but my guess is that TO improved upon that time after he became a pro. Both are 6'3, and Julio is listed at 220, while TO is listed at 223. If I were to put an upside on him I'd say TO area, but without all the drama as all the reports I've read say Julio is a solid guy.
The Jerk
Footballguy
I've been looking as well. It doesn't seem like there is anything new. Some stories from 8-10 days ago talking about how Jones himself is unsure about his November 6 matchup and others stating the Falcons expect to have him back. So... not helpful at all. I suppose we'll know more on either Tuesday or Wednesday.
