Julius Jones (1 Viewer)

[Garts]

He lookslike he's 100% out there tonight, and he doesn't look any better then his backfield mate Marion Barber. He lacks the explosiveness and juke he had last year and he can't seem to break tackles. Looks like Barber could put a big dent into JJ's numbers.He just doesn't seem to be the elite back a lot of people including myself envisioned.I know the Eagles have a good run defence and Dallas is on the road, I'm talking about Jules when he has the ball. Does not look that great.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

He actually reminds me of LT2 (playing against the Eagles).

 

[LordHusker]

He lookslike he's 100% out there tonight, and he doesn't look any better then his backfield mate Marion Barber. He lacks the explosiveness and juke he had last year and he can't seem to break tackles. Looks like Barber could put a big dent into JJ's numbers.

He just doesn't seem to be the elite back a lot of people including myself envisioned.

I know the Eagles have a good run defence and Dallas is on the road, I'm talking about Jules when he has the ball. Does not look that great.

I made this observation in the second or third week of the season and got ripped to shreds for saying that. I still agree: He ain't all that. He never was.

 

[Garts]

He lookslike he's 100% out there tonight, and he doesn't look any better then his backfield mate Marion Barber. He lacks the explosiveness and juke he had last year and he can't seem to break tackles. Looks like Barber could put a big dent into JJ's numbers.

He just doesn't seem to be the elite back a lot of people including myself envisioned.

I know the Eagles have a good run defence and Dallas is on the road, I'm talking about Jules when he has the ball. Does not look that great.

I made this observation in the second or third week of the season and got ripped to shreds for saying that. I still agree: He ain't all that. He never was.

He looks like a younger version of Charlie Garner...but he can't catch like Garner.

 

[Garts]

The 3 games JJ did good in last year were Chicago, Seattle and the Giants. Chicago sucked, Seattle was up big and gave them the run and Giants, I belive it was the last gameof the year and didn't show up.

 

[Raider Nation]

If I didn't know anything about either RB, I'd say Jones looks like the better runner.(And I'm a Barber owner)...

 

[Garts]

If I didn't know anything about either RB, I'd say Jones looks like the better runner.

(And I'm a Barber owner)...

LOOKS better, but results are the key.

 

[Cowboys#1]

what has barber done?he looks like crap and cant hang on to the ball(jones and barber owner)

 

[Raider Nation]

If I didn't know anything about either RB, I'd say Jones looks like the better runner.

(And I'm a Barber owner)...

LOOKS better, but results are the key.

Believe me, I hope Parcells disagrees with me. I am in dire need of another RB.

 

[Steelers4Life]

The 3 games JJ did good in last year were Chicago, Seattle and the Giants. Chicago sucked, Seattle was up big and gave them the run and Giants, I belive it was the last gameof the year and didn't show up.

Go back to his college stats.In his "great" senior season, almost 75% of his total rushing yardage came against BYU, Pitt, Navy, and Stanford - 4 AWFUL run defenses.

He's a solid RB, nothing more.

 

[Garts]

what has barber done?

he looks like crap and cant hang on to the ball

(jones and barber owner)

What has Julius done this year?? He has sucked for all the hype he is getting. A speed back with a long run of 25 yards. Whoppeeeeeeeeeee.

 

[Sanboy]

against the Eagles run defense ... are you serious L>T the best Rb in the game was terrible .. this post is .. forget it

 

[Garts]

against the Eagles run defense ... are you serious

L>T the best Rb in the game was terrible ..

this post is .. forget it

Tatum Bell and Mike Anderson??? 100 yards each???

 

[Garts]

The 3 games JJ did good in last year were Chicago, Seattle and the Giants. Chicago sucked, Seattle was up big and gave them the run and Giants, I belive it was the last gameof the year and didn't show up.

Go back to his college stats.In his "great" senior season, almost 75% of his total rushing yardage came against BYU, Pitt, Navy, and Stanford - 4 AWFUL run defenses.

He's a solid RB, nothing more.

Skilled runner. But not a workhorse, and not a Curtis martin clone.

 

[Bankerguy]

He actually reminds me of LT2 (playing against the Eagles).

 

[Sanboy]

you must not have been watching the game when the Eagles are at home .. PER THE STATS on the screen they are leading the league in rushing yards allowed . .lowest in the league not saying jONES or BARBER is the next second coming but this post = guppie and fishing ...

 

[MagicMan]

The 3 games JJ did good in last year were Chicago, Seattle and the Giants. Chicago sucked, Seattle was up big and gave them the run and Giants, I belive it was the last gameof the year and didn't show up.

Chicago's D sucks?

 

[Garts]

you must not have been watching the game

when the Eagles are at home .. PER THE STATS on the screen they are leading the league in rushing yards allowed . .lowest in the league

not saying jONES or BARBER is the next second coming

but this post = guppie and fishing ...

My point is he is never going to be a top 10 RB. He has good run-skills, but not elite and until he plays 16 games, will always be ????????.

 

[Garts]

The 3 games JJ did good in last year were Chicago, Seattle and the Giants. Chicago sucked, Seattle was up big and gave them the run and Giants, I belive it was the last gameof the year and didn't show up.

Chicago's D sucks?

Last year they did. I believe Urlacher missed that game.

 

[Sanboy]

thats fine . but thats not what your post originally was started saying .. you can say .. he didnt look elite.. you can say he looked bad tonight .. you can say both DAllas Rb looked horrible but to make a long term opinon on a player against the # 1 home rushing yards allowed defense .. is .......

 

[Cowboys#1]

ill wait until wednesday before making any posts i may regret.. but i think one back will play much more than the other over the next 11 days.

 

[bumpman]

Neither Dallas back looked good tonight. The Philly D played excellent football. Too back McNabb gave it away at the end. One thing seems pretty clear to me. MBIII is an excellent blocker and looks to be a solid short yardage runner. Better than JJ IMO. The fumbles dropped and recovered are a potential problem, but I don't think it convinces Parcells to move out of RBBC next week.

 

[Garts]

thats fine . but thats not what your post originally was started saying ..

you can say .. he didnt look elite.. you can say he looked bad tonight .. you can say both DAllas Rb looked horrible

but to make a long term opinon on a player against the # 1 home rushing yards allowed defense .. is .......

I have owned him in a keeper league now for 2 years and for a supposed "exposive" back, I have not seen it. Even when he had a big hole, he still got wrapped up after 7 yards instead of 27.

 

[Avery]

ill wait until wednesday before making any posts i may regret.. but i think one back will play much more than the other over the next 11 days.

Way to take a stance

 

[Garts]

Neither Dallas back looked good tonight. The Philly D played excellent football. Too back McNabb gave it away at the end.

One thing seems pretty clear to me. MBIII is an excellent blocker and looks to be a solid short yardage runner. Better than JJ IMO.

The fumbles dropped and recovered are a potential problem, but I don't think it convinces Parcells to move out of RBBC next week.

And they play Denver next and JJ will get eaten up against that defence. This will be a big test for Jones.

 

[Cowboys#1]

ill wait until wednesday before making any posts i may regret.. but i think one back will play much more than the other over the next 11 days.

Way to take a stance

alright heres what i think will happen..after hearing bills press conferences for 2 years he'll come in and praise the eagles run d.

he will then say he saw some good things from both runners, he'll talk about barber's lack of being able to break a tackle or hold on to the ball, and he'll declare julius jones the man.

... okay the last part may not happen just like that.. but i would be surprised if julius didnt get 70/30 of the carries next week.

 

[Cowboys#1]

Neither Dallas back looked good tonight.  The Philly D played excellent football.  Too back McNabb gave it away at the end. 

One thing seems pretty clear to me.  MBIII is an excellent blocker and looks to be a solid short yardage runner.  Better than JJ IMO. 

The fumbles dropped and recovered are a potential problem, but I don't think it convinces Parcells to move out of RBBC next week.

And they play Denver next and JJ will get eaten up against that defence. This will be a big test for Jones.

garts, they play detriot at home on sunday, then play denver @ home on thanksgiving (thursday)

 

[NJ OAK]

Allright already, I don't think anybody is happy to find out that the Dallas backfield is completely in question. I own both, but I'm NOT happy. In fact, after seeing tonight's game, I have no idea what to do for my #2 RB.Furthermore, I'm not so sure that it benefits the team (Cowboys) to have this rotation. It could take a while before things finally shake out. Unfortunately, time is not a luxury in FF.

 

[Not Really Mel Kiper]

I don't see what the problem here is. Barber III is producing and JJ is not. Give Barber III 20 + Carries and give JJ 8-10. I know JJ owners will go off on this but can you argue with performance? MBIII has performed and JJ has not. Does not matter what teams either rushed against. Just look at :1) Who started the game2) Who finished the game3) Who performedWhat do you think Bill is thinking?

 

[SickThing]

Given the majority of carries on Monday, Barber never broke a single tackle all game, and put the ball on the ground at a critical time. His only carry over 5 yards came when not a single defender touched him and he eventually ran out of bounds. Outside of that one gimme play, he averaged 1.5 YPC. (On JJs carry of 8 yards, JJ broke a tackle.)Barbers receiving was even worse with zero total yards net on three catches and one of the balls thrown his way was picked off instead. (JJs one catch netted 3 yards.)I think these facts suggest that they need to give JJ more carries, and probably should have started him this game. He proved his value last year returning from an unfortunate injury. Let him do it again.

 

[Avery]

I don't see what the problem here is. Barber III is producing and JJ is not. Give Barber III 20 + Carries and give JJ 8-10. I know JJ owners will go off on this but can you argue with performance? MBIII has performed and JJ has not. Does not matter what teams either rushed against. Just look at :

1) Who started the game

2) Who finished the game

3) Who performed

What do you think Bill is thinking?

I think Bill is thinking that Barber had one good run, largely becuase he was never touched by a defender on that run.I think Bill is also thinking that he hates fumbles and Barber put one on the carpet at the end of the game.

 

[Not Really Mel Kiper]

I don't see what the problem here is. Barber III is producing and JJ is not. Give Barber III 20 + Carries and give JJ 8-10. I know JJ owners will go off on this but can you argue with performance? MBIII has performed and JJ has not. Does not matter what teams either rushed against. Just look at :

1) Who started the game

2) Who finished the game

3) Who performed

What do you think Bill is thinking?

I think Bill is thinking that Barber had one good run, largely becuase he was never touched by a defender on that run.I think Bill is also thinking that he hates fumbles and Barber put one on the carpet at the end of the game.

Would you rather have one good run or no good runs? JJ owners

 

[Avery]

I don't see what the problem here is. Barber III is producing and JJ is not. Give Barber III 20 + Carries and give JJ 8-10. I know JJ owners will go off on this but can you argue with performance? MBIII has performed and JJ has not. Does not matter what teams either rushed against. Just look at :

1) Who started the game

2) Who finished the game

3) Who performed

What do you think Bill is thinking?

I think Bill is thinking that Barber had one good run, largely becuase he was never touched by a defender on that run.I think Bill is also thinking that he hates fumbles and Barber put one on the carpet at the end of the game.

Would you rather have one good run or no good runs? JJ owners

If you watched the game, I don't think that either Barber or Jones seperated themselves from the other with their performance.The one thing that stands out to me is Barber's fumble at a critical time in the game. That can't sit well with Parcells.

 

[bumpman]

Given the majority of carries on Monday, Barber never broke a single tackle all game, and put the ball on the ground at a critical time. His only carry over 5 yards came when not a single defender touched him and he eventually ran out of bounds. Outside of that one gimme play, he averaged 1.5 YPC. (On JJs carry of 8 yards, JJ broke a tackle.)

Barbers receiving was even worse with zero total yards net on three catches and one of the balls thrown his way was picked off instead. (JJs one catch netted 3 yards.)

I think these facts suggest that they need to give JJ more carries, and probably should have started him this game. He proved his value last year returning from an unfortunate injury. Let him do it again.

Reading this just convinces me that this game doesn't change anything. How can you draw any conclusions from this? Wow. JJ got three yards receiving to MB's zero! You say MB's long run shouldn't count but it is longer than any run by JJ this year. You failed to mention MB's goal-line TD. You also failed to mention MB's key block on the big Price reception. Yes, he fumbled (and recovered). Yes, he was shut down by the Philly D. So was JJ. Unless Parcells comes out an says differently I say we see more of the same next week. RBBC

 

[Not Really Mel Kiper]

Given the majority of carries on Monday, Barber never broke a single tackle all game, and put the ball on the ground at a critical time. His only carry over 5 yards came when not a single defender touched him and he eventually ran out of bounds. Outside of that one gimme play, he averaged 1.5 YPC. (On JJs carry of 8 yards, JJ broke a tackle.)

Barbers receiving was even worse with zero total yards net on three catches and one of the balls thrown his way was picked off instead. (JJs one catch netted 3 yards.)

I think these facts suggest that they need to give JJ more carries, and probably should have started him this game. He proved his value last year returning from an unfortunate injury. Let him do it again.

Reading this just convinces me that this game doesn't change anything. How can you draw any conclusions from this? Wow. JJ got three yards receiving to MB's zero! You say MB's long run shouldn't count but it is longer than any run by JJ this year. You failed to mention MB's goal-line TD. You also failed to mention MB's key block on the big Price reception. Yes, he fumbled (and recovered). Yes, he was shut down by the Philly D. So was JJ. Unless Parcells comes out an says differently I say we see more of the same next week. RBBC

If we are allowed to take away runs.....like this guy is, lets not forget to take away JJ's 8 yard run.........he now has 7 carries for 8 yards.

 

[EBF]

I got ripped a few weeks back because I traded Julius for Hines Ward in a PPR dynasty league. It's a bit too early to gloat, but I'm definitely not feeling bad about the move. I like Julius, but I think people got a bit carried away with him. This happens all the time with young backs. For every Tomlinson and Alexander there are a handful of washouts and disappointments like William Green, TJ Duckett, and Michael Bennett. We're seeing some of that this year with Julius Jones, Kevin Jones, and maybe even Tatum Bell (he's playing well, but he's not starting). I still think some of these guys have bright futures, but it remains true that people (myself included) were too quick to annoint these guys as superstars. It always happens with young players. People see a few good plays and assume that it will become a trend. Sometimes it does. Most of the time it doesn't.

 

[Cowboys#1]

I don't see what the problem here is. Barber III is producing and JJ is not. Give Barber III 20 + Carries and give JJ 8-10. I know JJ owners will go off on this but can you argue with performance? MBIII has performed and JJ has not. Does not matter what teams either rushed against. Just look at :

1) Who started the game

2) Who finished the game

3) Who performed

What do you think Bill is thinking?

what game were you watching?barber did very little.

he bobbled one hand off, constantly went down on sissy one arm tackles, couldnt beat a guy 1 on 1 in the flat (he barely made a move!) put the ball on the ground at the costliest time in the game and generally did not impress

oh.. one positive.. he is a good pass blocker.

julius maybe done, maybe not.. but barber is not the long term answer. at least not after watching the 3 games. (please note, barber does just great when he is untouched.. watch the AZ game.. but get a guy in front of him and he goes down faster than a $2 whore.)

i was not impressed by either rb today.

 

[ArcticEdge]

The last time JJ played the Eagles he was 15-76 at the start of the 3rd quarter before he sprained his anckle. So... Also I think Parcells will smarten up and realize that rbbc gets rbs out of their groove, he will pick one for the majority of the carries next week. My money is on Jones, and I own both guys.

 

[ArcticEdge]

What performance? He didn't do anything, take away that gimme run where the Eagles were playing pass and he was averaging what 1.5 ypc or less. Ya he scored, but... any rb should with 3 tries on the 1 should score. Last time JJ played the Eagles he was 15-76 in the first half. Tuna will smarten up and pick one back for the majority of the carries for next week, I say Jones, and I own both players and I'm a Minnesota fan. (MB3 played for the Gophers)

 

[lod2005]

I don't see what the problem here is. Barber III is producing and JJ is not. Give Barber III 20 + Carries and give JJ 8-10. I know JJ owners will go off on this but can you argue with performance? MBIII has performed and JJ has not. Does not matter what teams either rushed against. Just look at :

1) Who started the game

2) Who finished the game

3) Who performed

What do you think Bill is thinking?

Parcells is thinking...'Barber is a fumbler...I can't trust him with the ball. Get in there Jones.' Bank on that.

 

[simmonjm]

The 3 games JJ did good in last year were Chicago, Seattle and the Giants. Chicago sucked, Seattle was up big and gave them the run and Giants, I belive it was the last gameof the year and didn't show up.

Go back to his college stats.In his "great" senior season, almost 75% of his total rushing yardage came against BYU, Pitt, Navy, and Stanford - 4 AWFUL run defenses.

He's a solid RB, nothing more.

Yea any solid RB could rush for 803 yards in seven games which put him on pace for over 1800 rushing yards in a season.

 

[Emmitt Smith]

I don't know what games some of you were watching. Just about every single time Julius got the ball he was met by 2 or more defenders. Barber didn't do much untill that one run. My Boys had 9 rushing yards at the half for Christ's sake!

 

[simmonjm]

Neither Dallas back looked good tonight.  The Philly D played excellent football.  Too back McNabb gave it away at the end. 

One thing seems pretty clear to me.  MBIII is an excellent blocker and looks to be a solid short yardage runner.  Better than JJ IMO. 

The fumbles dropped and recovered are a potential problem, but I don't think it convinces Parcells to move out of RBBC next week.

And they play Denver next and JJ will get eaten up against that defence. This will be a big test for Jones.

Actually they play Detroit next week nice try though

 

[Spike]

Neither Dallas back looked good tonight. The Philly D played excellent football. Too back McNabb gave it away at the end.

One thing seems pretty clear to me. MBIII is an excellent blocker and looks to be a solid short yardage runner. Better than JJ IMO.

The fumbles dropped and recovered are a potential problem, but I don't think it convinces Parcells to move out of RBBC next week.

I came away from the game with this opinion and feel that it's something Parcells will weigh heavily for Barber.

 

[Synthesizer]

They've both looked pretty good at times this year and they've both looked average at times. Last night was below average for both of them. I'd say this is a clear case of RBBC with Barber at least handling 3rd down duties. Anyone arguing one way or the other probably owns 1 of the 2 guys.

 

[CowboyFan]

Neither Dallas back looked good tonight. The Philly D played excellent football. Too back McNabb gave it away at the end.

One thing seems pretty clear to me. MBIII is an excellent blocker and looks to be a solid short yardage runner. Better than JJ IMO.

The fumbles dropped and recovered are a potential problem, but I don't think it convinces Parcells to move out of RBBC next week.

I came away from the game with this opinion and feel that it's something Parcells will weigh heavily for Barber.

I thought he blew blitz pickup on several plays. Laying down a block is only part of the equation, recognition is the biggest part. Bledsoe's int was a bonehead play on his part, but MB should have picked up that stunt.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Considering their next two games are four days apart, I would expect a healthy mix of both JJ and MBIII.

 

[BigJim®]

I thought he blew blitz pickup on several plays. Laying down a block is only part of the equation, recognition is the biggest part. Bledsoe's int was a bonehead play on his part, but MB should have picked up that stunt.

BS. Even ESPN broke down this play and Witten was the *obvious* hot read if his man blitzed and needed to be picked up by MB. MB was definitely not supposed to be looking for a ball when he's on blitz patrol, and Bledsoe was to throw the ball to a hot read, not Barber. Frankly I think Bledose was trying to throw that one away.

 

[Kit Fisto]

you must not have been watching the game

when the Eagles are at home .. PER THE STATS on the screen they are leading the league in rushing yards allowed . .lowest in the league

not saying jONES or BARBER is the next second coming

but this post = guppie and fishing ...

Great post. What do people want, 32 LaDanian Tomlinsons in the league? Sorry guys, there's tiers... the elite, the rock-solid, the serviceable, and the placeholders.

Jones is rock-solid. Let's not trash him because he's not LT, Shawn or Edge.

 

[agent 86]

I watched every minute of last night's game and I own neither JJ nor MBIII, but I simply can't see how anyone can judge JJ by what he did or didn't do last night. MBIII was clearly set up to succeed with 3 carries from inside the 3, to the draw plays in the 2nd half. The 2nd down run from the 2 was as bad a run as any I've seen all year. He had the whole side wide open and fell down. Very few RB's get three in a row from there and he had another hole on 3rd down. JJ meanwhile, had no red-zone touches, ran 6-7 1st down runs vs. a gap/run blitz package and had nowhere to go. He had no draws, no 3rd down chances, no screens, no misdirection, and only one pass with no yac potential. Bottom line, I just can't see how Dallas benefits from an offensive game plan like this. Only MBIII was given a chance to get anything going. JJ clearly was not. Both backs have to be looking over their shoulders thinking they have to be perfect or they'll be on the bench. Dallas didn't win because of what they did on offense and they should've lost because of offense. They couldn't do anything on 3rd down, they couldn't run, and they couldn't control the clock, they nearly fumbed the game away at the end. Hopefully the figure it out this week, but what happened last night wasn't good for anyone.