Just mocking around. 14 teamer with Alexander/T.O. (1 Viewer)

[pizzatyme]

Just doing some mock drafts in preparation for the NFFC 14 team events. In picking from the 10 hole and using 3rd round reversal, it is looking like a draft might go something like:

1.10 Alexander

2.05 T.O.

3.05 Gates/T.Jones/J. Walker/Brady

I really like Gates here and I know it has been discussed before about when to get Gates, but I think comparable WRs and RBs can be accumulated later in the draft.

So, of the 4 above, who might you prefer?

Again, this is a strategy question.

 

[Bri]

initial reaction is "not Jones"

 

[Ike Turner]

initial reaction is "not Jones"

My initial reaction was 'not walker' so we're down to Gates and Brady.

 

[pizzatyme]

initial reaction is "not Jones"

My initial reaction was 'not walker' so we're down to Gates and Brady.

That's really how I see it too. I see Brady as one of the "Elite" 3 QBs this season. And Gates as the only "Elite" TE. The drop off in points after Gates is what makes me say take him. Brady will be great IMO, but just not as great as Gates in comparison.

 

[TheWick]

I would get a RB incase Alexander isn't worth a darn.

Lineup? Scoring system?

 

[Ike Turner]

I would get a RB incase Alexander isn't worth a darn.Lineup? Scoring system?

it would also be helpful to have the picks that are already off the board.

 

[pizzatyme]

I would get a RB incase Alexander isn't worth a darn.

Lineup? Scoring system?

This is for the NFFC. and picks don't really matter too much as it is just a mock. I went RB heavy as usual and Manning, Palmer, and top WRs gone too.I really am just trying to look into the crystal ball here. The 4 I mentioned in the OP would be what most consider the best available at that time of the draft.

Here is how the mock looks so far with me doing all of the picking for every team:

Pick Pos Player

01.01 RB1 LaDainian Tomlinson

01.02 RB2 Steven Jackson

01.03 RB3 Frank Gore

01.04 RB4 Larry Johnson

01.05 RB5 Brian Westbrook

01.06 RB6 Joseph Addai

01.07 RB7 Willie Parker

01.08 RB8 Reggie Bush

01.09 RB9 Travis Henry

01.10 RB10 Shaun Alexander

01.11 RB13 Rudi Johnson

01.12 RB15 Laurence Maroney

01.13 RB17 Ronnie Brown

01.14 WR2 Steve Smith

02.01 RB19 Willis McGahee

02.02 WR5 Chad Johnson

02.03 WR3 Torry Holt

02.04 WR4 Reggie Wayne

02.05 WR1 Terrell Owens

02.06 WR7 Larry Fitzgerald

02.07 WR8 Roy Williams

02.08 WR10 Marvin Harrison

02.09 WR12 Javon Walker

02.10 WR11 Lee Evans

02.11 WR13 Donald Driver

02.12 WR6 T.J. Houshmandzadeh

02.13 QB1 Peyton Manning

02.14 WR9 Anquan Boldin

03.01 RB16 Cedric Benson

03.02 RB11 Edgerrin James

03.03 RB12 Maurice Jones-Drew

03.04 RB14 Clinton Portis

I am changing up the order of WRs selected. In this one, I had Walker going earlier. Therefore Colston is available here. I still like Gates or Brady and would be leaning towards Gates.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

03.04 RB14 Clinton Portis

Laughable.

 

[pizzatyme]

03.04 RB14 Clinton Portis

Laughable.

Care to expound?

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

A starting RB this talented in an Al Saunders offense lasting til pick 3.04 is laughable.

 

[Tau837]

If the mock goes as you suggest and you feel strongly about taking Owens at 2.5, I'd say take Gates at 3.5. IMO taking Gates in that scenario is playing to win, taking Thomas Jones or Walker, or even Brady, is playing conservative. Sure you're accepting risk, but no risk no reward.

That said, if Portis fell one more pick I'd take him in a heartbeat. But like WE, I'm not sure Portis will be making it close to that far. Heck, if I were you, I would take Portis at 2.5 and look for Housh/Evans/Boldin at 3.5... then if none of them were available I'd take Gates.

 

[pizzatyme]

If the mock goes as you suggest and you feel strongly about taking Owens at 2.5, I'd say take Gates at 3.5. IMO taking Gates in that scenario is playing to win, taking Thomas Jones or Walker, or even Brady, is playing conservative. Sure you're accepting risk, but no risk no reward.That said, if Portis fell one more pick I'd take him in a heartbeat. But like WE, I'm not sure Portis will be making it close to that far. Heck, if I were you, I would take Portis at 2.5 and look for Housh/Evans/Boldin at 3.5... then if none of them were available I'd take Gates.

Fair enough. I'm talking about drafting right now versus in mid to late August. I like Portis, but with the supposed threat of Betts and with him possibly still recovering from injury, there is a risk there as well at 2.05.Thanks for the reply. I guess I was figuring Portis doesn't make it back to the 3.05 spot. So, where he went between 2.05 and 3.05 is irrelevant when discussing what to do @3.05.

 

[pizzatyme]

As a side note, I like T.O. as a top 2 WR this season. I actually have him #1 on my board. So, to get him as WR5 off the board is very acceptable for me.

 

[Sweet Love]

Why did Manning go so late? Is the scoring not that favorable for QBs? If so, it may be an indicator that QBs will go late, so you could maybe wait on Brady and get a guy like Bulger in Round 4.

 

[pizzatyme]

Why did Manning go so late? Is the scoring not that favorable for QBs? If so, it may be an indicator that QBs will go late, so you could maybe wait on Brady and get a guy like Bulger in Round 4.

History shows that in this league, Manning in the 1st or 2nd seriously reduces your chances due to PPR and 2RB/3WR/1TE/1Flex.Good point about maybe waiting here. I like Brady in the top tier of QBs, Bulger is in the 2nd tier for me anyway.So, would I rather have Gates/Bulger or Walker/Colston and Brady. I'm not sure. Plus, there is no guarantee Belger makes it back to me in the 4th. It's more like a scenario of Gates/Romo.

 

[Sweet Love]

Why did Manning go so late? Is the scoring not that favorable for QBs? If so, it may be an indicator that QBs will go late, so you could maybe wait on Brady and get a guy like Bulger in Round 4.

History shows that in this league, Manning in the 1st or 2nd seriously reduces your chances due to PPR and 2RB/3WR/1TE/1Flex.Good point about maybe waiting here. I like Brady in the top tier of QBs, Bulger is in the 2nd tier for me anyway.So, would I rather have Gates/Bulger or Walker/Colston and Brady. I'm not sure. Plus, there is no guarantee Belger makes it back to me in the 4th. It's more like a scenario of Gates/Romo.

Personally, after Manning, Palmer, Brady, Brees and Bulger I see a dropoff in consistency among the remaining QBs. McNabb and Hasselbeck are in the next class alone for me and after that I believe you can almost interchange the next 7-8 QBs. This does not mean the are not ones I would prefer, but my point is, if you feel comfortable going with say Gates and maybe Jones (if he is still there) or another WR and can wait until round 5 for a QB, I would do that. you pointed out yourself, that PPR plays a large role in why the QBs dropped, so why not make sure you have strong TE/WRs?

 

[pizzatyme]

Why did Manning go so late? Is the scoring not that favorable for QBs? If so, it may be an indicator that QBs will go late, so you could maybe wait on Brady and get a guy like Bulger in Round 4.

History shows that in this league, Manning in the 1st or 2nd seriously reduces your chances due to PPR and 2RB/3WR/1TE/1Flex.Good point about maybe waiting here. I like Brady in the top tier of QBs, Bulger is in the 2nd tier for me anyway.So, would I rather have Gates/Bulger or Walker/Colston and Brady. I'm not sure. Plus, there is no guarantee Belger makes it back to me in the 4th. It's more like a scenario of Gates/Romo.

Personally, after Manning, Palmer, Brady, Brees and Bulger I see a dropoff in consistency among the remaining QBs. McNabb and Hasselbeck are in the next class alone for me and after that I believe you can almost interchange the next 7-8 QBs. This does not mean the are not ones I would prefer, but my point is, if you feel comfortable going with say Gates and maybe Jones (if he is still there) or another WR and can wait until round 5 for a QB, I would do that. you pointed out yourself, that PPR plays a large role in why the QBs dropped, so why not make sure you have strong TE/WRs?

I agree. Thanks for the feedback! 3rd round reversal drafts are so much more interesting than the boring straight serpentine!

 

[corpcow]

Agree - no way Portis should be making it out of the second round, let alone 3rd.

Personally I would go with Jones - not because I think he's "safe" but because I think he can put up big numbers this year. I would also probably go with Palmer over Brady given the option, but in general I think there's good value in QB3-QB10 in the next round. I've love to grab Jones or Walker now and Bulger in the next round... I don't think that's a "conservative" move, it just think it gives you a better starting lineup.

I'd especially lean RB with Alexander as your starter now - he's far from a sure thing this year. If he meets expectations and you combine him with a good top-tier RB2, you're gold. If the age and injuries catch up to him, at least you have a serviceable RB corps.

 

[Tau837]

Why did Manning go so late? Is the scoring not that favorable for QBs? If so, it may be an indicator that QBs will go late, so you could maybe wait on Brady and get a guy like Bulger in Round 4.

History shows that in this league, Manning in the 1st or 2nd seriously reduces your chances due to PPR and 2RB/3WR/1TE/1Flex.Good point about maybe waiting here. I like Brady in the top tier of QBs, Bulger is in the 2nd tier for me anyway.So, would I rather have Gates/Bulger or Walker/Colston and Brady. I'm not sure. Plus, there is no guarantee Belger makes it back to me in the 4th. It's more like a scenario of Gates/Romo.

I'd rather have Gates/Romo than Brady/(other TE). And if you go that route and Brady or Bulger slide to you later, so much the better.

 

[freeannyong]

I think you need to go RB here. If you had a RB that wasn't much of an injury risk you could probably take Gates, but it doesn't make sense to take him when you have SA, who as others had said if hardly a sure thing this year.

 

[kensat30]

Am I the only one who thinks that considering a QB in the 3rd round is ridiculous in this type of league?

PPR?

2RB/3WR/TE/Flex?

Seriously?

Load up on WRs man. If you don't have the balls then take your 2nd RB early, but no way in hell should you be drafting a QB early in this type of league. Gates is a consideration only because he can actually benefit from the PPR. Even still, there should be bigtime value left at WR/RB at 3.05 that I'm not sure I would be willing to pass up.

 

[pizzatyme]

I was just looking through some pre-season thoughts and came across this. Funny how the season played out. I never took Brady in the 3rd and was the difference between being an "also-ran" to playing for the big prize!

I will keep this tucked away for future reference. Those that take the risk of getting Brady in the 3rd of a 14 teamer, were so far ahead of the game it wasn't even close.

 

[Tau837]

I was just looking through some pre-season thoughts and came across this. Funny how the season played out. I never took Brady in the 3rd and was the difference between being an "also-ran" to playing for the big prize!I will keep this tucked away for future reference. Those that take the risk of getting Brady in the 3rd of a 14 teamer, were so far ahead of the game it wasn't even close.

Hard to argue with that given Brady's season, but I won my championship in a 16 teamer largely by taking Wayne in the 3rd and Romo in the 5th. (Despite taking LJ in the 1st and Steve Smith in the 2nd...) More than one way to skin a cat.

 

[pizzatyme]

I was just looking through some pre-season thoughts and came across this. Funny how the season played out. I never took Brady in the 3rd and was the difference between being an "also-ran" to playing for the big prize!I will keep this tucked away for future reference. Those that take the risk of getting Brady in the 3rd of a 14 teamer, were so far ahead of the game it wasn't even close.

Hard to argue with that given Brady's season, but I won my championship in a 16 teamer largely by taking Wayne in the 3rd and Romo in the 5th. (Despite taking LJ in the 1st and Steve Smith in the 2nd...) More than one way to skin a cat.

Amen to that brotha! And that is my point. We need to keep from falling into the same patters every year as FF players.