Just who are the Fascist? (1 Viewer)

[unckeyherb]

Your question didn't even mention Tucker Carlson being a fascist.  Probably because I never called him one.

The fact that you had to change Democrats wanting "unchecked immigration" (what Carlson actually said) to Democrats wanting more open borders and amnesty in order to argue that Carlson wasn't lying is a pretty clear indication that he was in fact lying.

Like I said, I don't want to get into the anti-Semitic underpinnings of Fox News/the right constantly using Soros and his money as a boogeyman. If you don't get it, you don't get it. Jews get it.

This entire conversation has centered around Tucker being a fascist.

You said that they are not encouraging caravans or other immigrants from trying to come here illegally.  This is completely absurd.  That you consider my response as a clear indication that Carlson was in fact lying, is more absurd.

I get it, some people that are anti-semitic hold Soros up as the bad guy in a thinly veiled attempt at hiding their anti semitism.  This does not mean that any criticism of Soros is anti-semitic.  Just like criticism of Obama and Hillary isn't racist and misogynistic, respectively.  Again, you may not want to get into it.  But your characterization of Carlson's remarks about Soros as being anti-semitic are incorrect and dishonest.  

 

[unckeyherb]

I think I already answered the question posed by this silly thread. 

Labeling the Antifa thugs as fascists is intellectually lazy.  They aren't suppressing elections.  They aren't singling out ethnicities for scorn and scapegoating.  They aren't corrupting our government for their own personal wealth.  They aren't tearing down the mass media.  They aren't continually spouting a sexist message.  They aren't proudly declaring themselves nationalists. Those are ALL fascist ideals that Trump and his supporters have made their primary messages. 

Traits of Fascism

Carlson has pressed this message, often more loudly than Trump.  His record speaks for itself -  Saying that Trump, Carlson, Hannity, Sessions, and the rest haven't promoted these ideals is lying.  Are they card carrying fascists walking us towards nazism and another Holocaust?  Of course not, but many elements of their agenda include attributes of fascism that are really dangerous, especially with a well-armed populace that includes many white supremacists and violent crazies like the guy who just shot up the bar, the guy who shot up the synagogue, the guy sending pipe bombs, etc. etc..    

For maybe the third or fourth time, link to specific Tucker Carlson quote that presses fascist ideals.  Anyone.  please.

 

[Epic Problem]

This forum would be 100 times better if there would be no calling other posters whiners or trolls or racists or snowflakes or whatever.   If people discussed ideas instead of constantly making accusations, it would be far far far more productive. 

Stop playing the roles and it might just happen. 

 

[TobiasFunke]

This entire conversation has centered around Tucker being a fascist.

You said that they are not encouraging caravans or other immigrants from trying to come here illegally.  This is completely absurd.  That you consider my response as a clear indication that Carlson was in fact lying, is more absurd.

I get it, some people that are anti-semitic hold Soros up as the bad guy in a thinly veiled attempt at hiding their anti semitism.  This does not mean that any criticism of Soros is anti-semitic.  Just like criticism of Obama and Hillary isn't racist and misogynistic, respectively.  Again, you may not want to get into it.  But your characterization of Carlson's remarks about Soros as being anti-semitic are incorrect and dishonest.  

No it hasn't, at least none of my discussions. In fact my initial point (about the door-knockers) was that you have to be exercising power or control to be a fascist. While Carlson may be an asset or tool of those who exercise power and control over us, he does not do so personally. So it's super weird that you've repeatedly claimed this conversation is about something it clearly is not about.

I don't even understand your second sentence, I think you misspoke or something? Regardless ... Carlson said Democrats favor "unchecked immigration."  That's a lie and you know it, which is why you still haven't bothered to defend it without altering his statement.

 

[jon_mx]

Stop playing the roles and it might just happen. 

Do you believe if women would stop complaining about rape that raping would stop?   

 

[SWC]

i can think of one thing that would in fact make this forum about 1000 times better take that to the bank bromigos 

 

[McJose]

Do you believe if women would stop complaining about rape that raping would stop?   

Well this is odd.

 

[jon_mx]

Well this is odd.

Odd?  Really.  Trying to blame the person pointing out crappy behavior on this forum for the crappy behavior is what is odd.   

 

[McJose]

Odd?  Really.  Trying to blame the person pointing out crappy behavior on this forum for the crappy behavior is what is odd.   

No, I find it odd that you used an analogy about rape to complain that you are being picked on.  

 

[Epic Problem]

Do you believe if women would stop complaining about rape that raping would stop?   

Rape.

Rape? 

really

Rape?!?!?! 

 Interesting tangent, but I'll play along with it.

Then why do you bring up having it stop in the first place? 

 

[jon_mx]

No, I find it odd that you used an analogy about rape to complain that you are being picked on.  

I wish there was one person on the left who was honest enough to acknowledge the crappy behavior instead of trying to twist it around on the other person.  Really no different than the Trumpsters you despise.  

 

[Epic Problem]

I wish there was one person on the left who was honest enough to acknowledge the crappy behavior instead of trying to twist it around on the other person.  Really no different than the Trumpsters you despise.  

You might not believe it, but I am acknowledging it. You just seem unwilling or incapable of recognizing that. As for which one that is, I'll leave that up to you. 

 

[sho nuff]

I wish there was one person on the left who was honest enough to acknowledge the crappy behavior instead of trying to twist it around on the other person.  Really no different than the Trumpsters you despise.  

I wish you were able to be honest rather than proclaiming so much of this is coming from the left and quit playing the victim jon.

 

[unckeyherb]

No it hasn't, at least none of my discussions. In fact my initial point (about the door-knockers) was that you have to be exercising power or control to be a fascist. While Carlson may be an asset or tool of those who exercise power and control over us, he does not do so personally. So it's super weird that you've repeatedly claimed this conversation is about something it clearly is not about.

I don't even understand your second sentence, I think you misspoke or something? Regardless ... Carlson said Democrats favor "unchecked immigration."  That's a lie and you know it, which is why you still haven't bothered to defend it without altering his statement.

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  23 hours ago, unckeyherb said:

Sorry, I'm not sure what your stance is.  Are you saying you are firm in your labeling of Tucker Carlson as a Fascist?

"Yes, based on my belief that Trumpism is a modern variant of fascism. Here's the original thread I was referring to."

That you continue to act flabbergasted at the suggestion that the conversation in this thread has not been centered around Fascism and Tucker Carlson's possibly being a fascist makes so little sense that I feel like its not worth discussing with you anymore.

Also, what word in my second sentence did you not understand?  I'm responding directly to your assertion that democrat's do not encourage caravans or people coming here illegally.  You are wrong.  And continue to be wrong.  And finally, I don't know that democrats favoring unchecked immigration is a lie.  Hillary Clinton dreamed of open borders years ago.  I don't believe that you think Democrats are all about border security.  Do you?

 

[TobiasFunke]

On Page One: 

  23 hours ago, unckeyherb said:

Sorry, I'm not sure what your stance is.  Are you saying you are firm in your labeling of Tucker Carlson as a Fascist?

"Yes, based on my belief that Trumpism is a modern variant of fascism. Here's the original thread I was referring to."

  

That you continue to act flabbergasted at the suggestion that the conversation in this thread has not been centered around Fascism and Tucker Carlson's possibly being a fascist makes so little sense that I feel like its not worth discussing with you anymore.

Also, what word in my second sentence did you not understand?  I'm responding directly to your assertion that democrat's do not encourage caravans or people coming here illegally.  You are wrong.  And continue to be wrong.  And finally, I don't know that democrats favoring unchecked immigration is a lie.  Hillary Clinton dreamed of open borders years ago.  I don't believe that you think Democrats are all about border security.  Do you?

I don't care what someone else said to you yesterday. You jumped into my conversation today and replied to my post and tried to argue about Tucker Carlson being a fascist when I had said no such thing and nobody else had been discussing it recently either, and demanded that I defend a position I'd never taken.  It was obnoxious and silly. I have no idea why you keep bringing it up; how many more times do I have to say he's not a fascist (by my own definition) and I don't care to discuss it further. If you want to debate Carlson's fascism, take it up with mcintyre1.

As for the rest, I still can't make sense of your rambling in this context, and I really don't care to debate immigration policy at the moment. Here's what happened: you asked me to show Tucker Carlson lying and fearmongering about immigration. I pointed out that he said Dems favor unchecked immigration in a fearmongering column about the dreaded caravan. That statement is a lie. Go ahead and find me some prominent national Democrats, or a party platform, saying we should have no checks on immigration. You can't. Ergo, Carlson lied in the context of his caravan fearmongering. You asked me to find an example of him lying, and I did.  In fact you're still trying to change the terms of the debate to "Democrats aren't all about border security," because you know I'm right and that Tucker lied.

 

[SWC]

I wish there was one person on the left who was honest enough to acknowledge the crappy behavior instead of trying to twist it around on the other person.  Really no different than the Trumpsters you despise.  

i wish you would just stop posting here if you think no one here is honest and is obviously so far beneath you take that to the bank bromigo

 

[D Baseball]

For maybe the third or fourth time, link to specific Tucker Carlson quote that presses fascist ideals.  Anyone.  please.

They won't, because they can't. They love to throw accusations around,  but when push comes to shove - nothing. 

 

[sho nuff]

They won't, because they can't. They love to throw accusations around,  but when push comes to shove - nothing. 

This is humorous given board activity lately and who has been throwing things around (including you making assertions) and failing to back them up when asked.

First off...unckeyherb is asking someone who never made the assertion that he is wanting back up for.  The person who made that assertion explained very clearly what he was talking about as it relates to fascism and Carlson/Trump.  The question was already answered and a link to another thread discussing it on a larger level was also given.

 

[unckeyherb]

I don't care what someone else said to you yesterday. You jumped into my conversation today and replied to my post and tried to argue about Tucker Carlson being a fascist when I had said no such thing and nobody else had been discussing it recently either, and demanded that I defend a position I'd never taken.  It was obnoxious and silly. I have no idea why you keep bringing it up; how many more times do I have to say he's not a fascist (by my own definition) and I don't care to discuss it further. If you want to debate Carlson's fascism, take it up with mcintyre1.

As for the rest, I still can't make sense of your rambling in this context, and I really don't care to debate immigration policy at the moment. Here's what happened: you asked me to show Tucker Carlson lying and fearmongering about immigration. I pointed out that he said Dems favor unchecked immigration in a fearmongering column about the dreaded caravan. That statement is a lie. Go ahead and find me some prominent national Democrats, or a party platform, saying we should have no checks on immigration. You can't. Ergo, Carlson lied in the context of his caravan fearmongering. You asked me to find an example of him lying, and I did.  In fact you're still trying to change the terms of the debate to "Democrats aren't all about border security," because you know I'm right and that Tucker lied.

Fine, you want to act as obtuse as possible, be my guest; fascism as it relates to Tucker Carlson is not a discussion in a thread labeled "Just who are the Fascists" in which the OP discusses Tucker Carlson and subsequent posters specifically label him Fascist.  You're right.  Lets move on.

Regarding the rest of your response, I know you are being obtuse.  You understand exactly what i am saying.  And you are the one changing the terms here.  My question was, "Can you point to some quotes of Tuckers that are fear-mongering lies about Jews and immigration?"  I specifically requested the reference to Jews since you made the not-so-subtle leap to insinuate that Carlson somehow inspired these terrible shootings.  Of course, you actually didn't give me an example of that, because you can't.  Because you are wrong.  You instead pivoted to suggest that Carlson, stating that democrats favor unchecked immigration, is a lie. 

I've already suggested that Clinton telegraphed her desire for open borders years ago when she said "I dream of open borders."  However, since she is more or less out of the current climate, is Keith Ellison, Deputy Chair of the DNC, a prominent enough National Democrat?  Are you familiar with his feelings on immigration and borders?  Did you catch the parade he was in where he was wearing shirt that said, “yo no creo en fronteras” which translates to “I don’t believe in borders.”

 

[D Baseball]

This is humorous given board activity lately and who has been throwing things around (including you making assertions) and failing to back them up when asked.

First off...unckeyherb is asking someone who never made the assertion that he is wanting back up for.  The person who made that assertion explained very clearly what he was talking about as it relates to fascism and Carlson/Trump.  The question was already answered and a link to another thread discussing it on a larger level was also given.

You made a comment earlier about Carlsons rheotoric playing a role in this attack on his family. You've never watched his show if you're saying he espouses violent rheotoric. You obviously just made it up and threw it out there. 

 

[unckeyherb]

This is humorous given board activity lately and who has been throwing things around (including you making assertions) and failing to back them up when asked.

First off...unckeyherb is asking someone who never made the assertion that he is wanting back up for.  The person who made that assertion explained very clearly what he was talking about as it relates to fascism and Carlson/Trump.  The question was already answered and a link to another thread discussing it on a larger level was also given.

No it wasn't.  I said, anyone.  Anyone provide me with a fascist quote from Tucker Carlson.  I've been given a link to a thread intended to re-define what it means to be a fascist, which devolved into ad hominem attacks.  

 

[sho nuff]

No it wasn't.  I said, anyone.  Anyone provide me with a fascist quote from Tucker Carlson.  I've been given a link to a thread intended to re-define what it means to be a fascist, which devolved into ad hominem attacks.  

Mc who has a whole thread about it...that you specifically brought up his words again today made it clear that he considers this current form of Trumpism (which Carlson supports) he explained here and in another thread exactly what he considers this new form of fascism.  That was his point.  Nobody made any assertion that he was some full on fascist. Or that he has this huge batch of fascist quotes (though I’d guess he has quite a few that support things similar to a fascist).

 

[jon_mx]

So it is ok to call Trump and his supporters fascist, but it is a lie and equal to pushing a man to shoot up a synagogue to suggest the Dems favor unchecked immigration.   The illogical arguements and the absurd doubled standards and hypocrisy is off the charts.  

 

[D Baseball]

Mc who has a whole thread about it...that you specifically brought up his words again today made it clear that he considers this current form of Trumpism (which Carlson supports) he explained here and in another thread exactly what he considers this new form of fascism.  That was his point.  Nobody made any assertion that he was some full on fascist. Or that he has this huge batch of fascist quotes (though I’d guess he has quite a few that support things similar to a fascist).

Proving once again you just don't watch his show or know what he stands for. To label him an ardent Trump supporter is proof of that. People and pundits were anti- illegal immigration long before Trump came on the scene. Pat Buchanan ring a bell? 

 

[Skoo]

So it is ok to call Trump and his supporters fascist, but it is a lie and equal to pushing a man to shoot up a synagogue to suggest the Dems favor unchecked immigration.   The unlogical arguements and the absurd doubled standards and hypocrisy is off the charts.  

Illogical.

Oh, and LOL.

Always a martyr.

 

[Skoo]

Proving once again you just don't watch his show or know what he stands for. To label him an ardent Trump supporter is proof of that. People and pundits were anti- illegal immigration long before Trump came on the scene. Pat Buchanan ring a bell? 

Woah woah woah.

Your position is that TUCKER CARLSON isn't an "ardent" Trump supporter?

Have YOU ever seen his show?

 

[jon_mx]

Illogical.

Oh, and LOL.

Always a martyr.

No substance.   Just more of the same crappy behavior.  Just keeping score.   But thanks for the correction.  

 

[TobiasFunke]

Fine, you want to act as obtuse as possible, be my guest; fascism as it relates to Tucker Carlson is not a discussion in a thread labeled "Just who are the Fascists" in which the OP discusses Tucker Carlson and subsequent posters specifically label him Fascist.  You're right.  Lets move on.

The OP is accusing the attackers of fascism, not Carlson. And I never labeled him that way, you just jumped in and started arguing with me because you wanted an argument. You're the one being obtuse, and obnoxious and smug to boot. Like I said if you want to argue someone else's point argue it with them, not me. I
 

Regarding the rest of your response, I know you are being obtuse.  You understand exactly what i am saying.  And you are the one changing the terms here.  My question was, "Can you point to some quotes of Tuckers that are fear-mongering lies about Jews and immigration?"  I specifically requested the reference to Jews since you made the not-so-subtle leap to insinuate that Carlson somehow inspired these terrible shootings.  Of course, you actually didn't give me an example of that, because you can't.  Because you are wrong.  You instead pivoted to suggest that Carlson, stating that democrats favor unchecked immigration, is a lie. 

The entire premise of your question was flawed, because it was in response to this: I said that a killer "targeted Jews based on lies and fearmongering related to immigration- lies and fearmongering pushed by Tucker Carlson and his cohorts at Fox News, as it turns out."  That is a true statement.  I've backed it up repeatedly.  You're reading into my statement that I claimed (1) Carlson specifically addressed Jews, and (2) that Carlson alone inspired the shootings.  But I said neither of those things. Carlson does lie and fearmonger about immigration. He is one of many that does this at Fox News.  Some of his cohorts have also lied about the involvement of Jews (specifically Soros) with respect to the caravan and immigration more broadly.  That's true, and I stand by it. I don't know if Carlson specifically mentioned Soros or whatever in this context because I'm not gonna comb through his footage to find it. I know he lied and fear-mongered about immigration, and that his cohorts did mention the Soros stuff, and that's enough.

Finally, can I ask a favor?  Take a step back and consider the nit you're picking right now.  11 Jews were murdered based on lies and fearmongering about immigration and their role in encouraging it. This lie unquestionably came from the far right.  It was also parroted on Fox News.  What exactly do you think you're gaining by having a semantic argument with a concerned Jew about whether or not Carlson specifically mentioned Soros or other Jews or "globalism" or whatever thinly veiled language is in vogue these days in his lies and fearmongering about immigration like others at his network did?  Yay, this one right-wing media doosh maybe didn't specifically push the fearmongering lie that helped push some nutjob to murder 11 of my fellow Jews and that has all of us living in fear! It's possible that he only pushed broader fear-mongering (oh, and also white nationalism) while leaving the specifically anti-Semitic stuff to his coworkers and other right wing media types!  What a triumph for you.

 

[Skoo]

No substance.   Just more of the same crappy behavior.  Just keeping score. 

Not much point in discussing this stuff with you IMO. This is your schtick, and I'm not expecting it to change anytime soon.

"This board is full of Democrats. They're big meanies. Conservatives are always treated unfairly here. You guys always label us as racists and fascists but you're the real racists and fascists. It's totally unfair"

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

See you in next week's thread!

 

[sho nuff]

So it is ok to call Trump and his supporters fascist, but it is a lie and equal to pushing a man to shoot up a synagogue to suggest the Dems favor unchecked immigration.   The illogical arguements and the absurd doubled standards and hypocrisy is off the charts.  

It’s ok to say he and some of his supporters support fascist ideals...because it’s true.  There is plenty in the rhetoric to show he has (and others in the right ) lied (about the caravan specifically) and that the man who shot up the synagogue echoed those thoughts that weren’t true.

It is a lie to say that Democrats (and inferring the party wants it) want open borders because it is a minority opinion.

Yiur argument here isn’t truthful or very logical Jon...

 

[sho nuff]

Proving once again you just don't watch his show or know what he stands for. To label him an ardent Trump supporter is proof of that. People and pundits were anti- illegal immigration long before Trump came on the scene. Pat Buchanan ring a bell? 

I didn’t label him what you are claiming I did D. And Trump goes beyond anti illegal immigration.

 

[jon_mx]

It’s ok to say he and some of his supporters support fascist ideals...because it’s true.  There is plenty in the rhetoric to show he has (and others in the right ) lied (about the caravan specifically) and that the man who shot up the synagogue echoed those thoughts that weren’t true.

It is a lie to say that Democrats (and inferring the party wants it) want open borders because it is a minority opinion.

Yiur argument here isn’t truthful or very logical Jon...

You can parse one side down and expand the other, but it does not change anything.   The rhetoric on both sides can be construed as lies.   People on both sides exaggerate on all issues.   You can parse down fascism, and make it into some new kind of facsism so your side is not lying.  And you can strictly take open borders to mean only full and complete open borders that lets everybody in.  But you are not being fair in your analysis.  You can't be anal on the meaning of the opposite sides rhetoric, but not on yours.   Fascism has meaning and it is far more of a derogatory cannotation to it than accusing one of supporting open borders. 

 

[unckeyherb]

Mc who has a whole thread about it...that you specifically brought up his words again today made it clear that he considers this current form of Trumpism (which Carlson supports) he explained here and in another thread exactly what he considers this new form of fascism.  That was his point.  Nobody made any assertion that he was some full on fascist. Or that he has this huge batch of fascist quotes (though I’d guess he has quite a few that support things similar to a fascist).

JFC.  For the third time in this thread, I asked him, 

"Are you saying you are firm in your labeling of Tucker Carlson as a Fascist?"  He responded with, "Yes, based on my belief that Trumpism is a modern variant of fascism."

I understand that he has a thread.  Re working definitions to fit your end game is what I'm taking issue with and said so on the first page.

 

[urbanhack]

Democrats bare far more responsibility for the carivans than Tucker does for the killing of Jews.  

Or....there's this:  http://theconversation.com/how-us-policy-in-honduras-set-the-stage-for-todays-migration-65935

 

[sho nuff]

You can parse one side down and expand the other, but it does not change anything.   The rhetoric on both sides can be construed as lies.   People on both sides exaggerate on all issues.   You can parse down fascism, and make it into some new kind of facsism so your side is not lying.  And you can strictly take open borders to mean only full and complete open borders that lets everybody in.  But you are not being fair in your analysis.  You can't be anal on the meaning of the opposite sides rhetoric, but not on yours.   Fascism has meaning and it is far more of a derogatory cannotation to it than accusing one of supporting open borders. 

No parsing needed Jon...this is the most dishonest administration ever. It’s not just the rhetoric...it’s spreading actual lies and rhetoric based on those lies has been terrible.

Other than Mc...nobody is making some new fascism definition.  They are stating that some are showing signs of fascism (and are explaining why they think that).

I can take what trump is saying about Open borders in the manner in which he is spreading that lie.

It takes much more parading much more of a stretch Jon to defend or deflect from those lies and that rhetoric.

 

[sho nuff]

JFC.  For the third time in this thread, I asked him, 

"Are you saying you are firm in your labeling of Tucker Carlson as a Fascist?"  He responded with, "Yes, based on my belief that Trumpism is a modern variant of fascism."

I understand that he has a thread.  Re working definitions to fit your end game is what I'm taking issue with and said so on the first page.

And he explained it and you keep asking others to back up some assertion they aren’t making. He stated his belief...his.  But you have gone off on others asking for links to things they didn’t claim.

 

[jon_mx]

No parsing needed Jon...this is the most dishonest administration ever. It’s not just the rhetoric...it’s spreading actual lies and rhetoric based on those lies has been terrible.

Other than Mc...nobody is making some new fascism definition.  They are stating that some are showing signs of fascism (and are explaining why they think that).

I can take what trump is saying about Open borders in the manner in which he is spreading that lie.

It takes much more parading much more of a stretch Jon to defend or deflect from those lies and that rhetoric.

We are not talking about the adminstration, but Tucker Carlson, who is a decent guy.  He isn't spewing a bunch of hateful rhetoric.  You may disagree with some of his phrasing about Dems supporting open borders but that does not come close to justify linking him to the synagogue shooting.   This thread was about these anti-fascists who act more like fascists than anyone.  I am not defending or do I care about defending Trump.  

 

[sho nuff]

We are not talking about the adminstration, but Tucker Carlson, who is a decent guy.  He isn't spewing a bunch of hateful rhetoric.  You may disagree with some of his phrasing about Dems supporting open borders but that does not come close to justify linking him to the synagogue shooting.   This thread was about these anti-fascists who act more like fascists than anyone.  I am not defending or do I care about defending Trump.  

Actually several talked about the administration and given Carlson and his employers support of the administration it’s fair game to discuss.

 

[unckeyherb]

The OP is accusing the attackers of fascism, not Carlson. And I never labeled him that way, you just jumped in and started arguing with me because you wanted an argument. You're the one being obtuse, and obnoxious and smug to boot. Like I said if you want to argue someone else's point argue it with them, not me. I
 

The entire premise of your question was flawed, because it was in response to this: I said that a killer "targeted Jews based on lies and fearmongering related to immigration- lies and fearmongering pushed by Tucker Carlson and his cohorts at Fox News, as it turns out."  That is a true statement.  I've backed it up repeatedly.  You're reading into my statement that I claimed (1) Carlson specifically addressed Jews, and (2) that Carlson alone inspired the shootings.  But I said neither of those things. Carlson does lie and fearmonger about immigration. He is one of many that does this at Fox News.  Some of his cohorts have also lied about the involvement of Jews (specifically Soros) with respect to the caravan and immigration more broadly.  That's true, and I stand by it. I don't know if Carlson specifically mentioned Soros or whatever in this context because I'm not gonna comb through his footage to find it. I know he lied and fear-mongered about immigration, and that his cohorts did mention the Soros stuff, and that's enough.

Finally, can I ask a favor?  Take a step back and consider the nit you're picking right now.  11 Jews were murdered based on lies and fearmongering about immigration and their role in encouraging it. This lie unquestionably came from the far right.  It was also parroted on Fox News.  What exactly do you think you're gaining by having a semantic argument with a concerned Jew about whether or not Carlson specifically mentioned Soros or other Jews or "globalism" or whatever thinly veiled language is in vogue these days in his lies and fearmongering about immigration like others at his network did?  Yay, this one right-wing media doosh maybe didn't specifically push the fearmongering lie that helped push some nutjob to murder 11 of my fellow Jews and that has all of us living in fear! It's possible that he only pushed broader fear-mongering (oh, and also white nationalism) while leaving the specifically anti-Semitic stuff to his coworkers and other right wing media types!  What a triumph for you.

You accusing me of being smug is ironic as I find you to be very height of smugness often in many of your posts.    

That being said, I also find you to be very intelligent and in this case you're right.  This is not a hill I am interested in dying on.  I don't like finding myself in a position of defending Fox or any of its employees.  My original issue in this was not with you but rather the other poster's description of Carlson as a fascist based on his own personal definition-something I find objectionable.

Suffice it to say, I certainly don't mean to offend nor downplay the fear you and others are going through.  Accept my apologies and you can have the last word on this particular topic.

 

[jon_mx]

Actually several talked about the administration and given Carlson and his employers support of the administration it’s fair game to discuss.

It has little bearing to Antifa activities, which crosses the line of legitimate activism and should be denounced by all sides.   This is the second thread in the last few days which was about bad actions from some leftists and turned into whataboutisms about Trump and Fox. 

 

[sho nuff]

It has little bearing to Antifa activities, which crosses the line of legitimate activism and should be denounced by all sides.   This is the second thread in the last few days which was about bad actions from some leftists and turned into whataboutisms about Trump and Fox. 

It pretty much has been denounced by all sides Jon.

 

[jon_mx]

It pretty much has been denounced by all sides Jon.

Denouncing something then following it with a 'but' turns it more into an excuse than a condemnation.

 

[urbanhack]

We are not talking about the adminstration, but Tucker Carlson, who is a decent guy.  He isn't spewing a bunch of hateful rhetoric.   

Wow.

https://www.vox.com/videos/2017/7/21/16008190/strikethrough-white-supremacists-love-tucker-carlson

https://splinternews.com/tucker-carlson-has-a-white-nationalist-freakout-about-h-1823968052

https://www.theroot.com/tucker-carlson-explains-why-white-people-arent-designed-1823973839

https://mashable.com/article/tucker-carlson-fox-news-diversity/#OTglvvpGGPqS

https://www.gq.com/story/tucker-carlson-white-nationalist-diversity-terrible

 

[D Baseball]

So, bottom line, people here are justifying this. Hard to believe. 

 

[D Baseball]

Wow.

https://www.vox.com/videos/2017/7/21/16008190/strikethrough-white-supremacists-love-tucker-carlson

https://splinternews.com/tucker-carlson-has-a-white-nationalist-freakout-about-h-1823968052

https://www.theroot.com/tucker-carlson-explains-why-white-people-arent-designed-1823973839

https://mashable.com/article/tucker-carlson-fox-news-diversity/#OTglvvpGGPqS

https://www.gq.com/story/tucker-carlson-white-nationalist-diversity-terrible

Oh look, hit piece opinions are being passed off as evidence of something. Nice work. 

 

[squistion]

It pretty much has been denounced by all sides Jon.

No one on the left has supported or defended Antifa, they are a fringe anarchist group that all leading Democrats and left wing organizations have denounced, yet he keeps parroting the false meme they have defenders among the left and Democrats.

 

[D Baseball]

No one on the left has supported or defended Antifa, they are a fringe anarchist group that all leading Democrats and left wing organizations have denounced, yet he keeps parroting the false meme they have defenders among the left and Democrats.

This mob violently attacking Tucker Carlsons home and wife is being justified right in this thread. 

 

[Epic Problem]

Hey guys. I'm going to be gone for the night. Whomever is last out, please make sure that Jon is off his cross. I'd hate for him to be stuck up there until morning. 

Thanks

EP

 

[squistion]

This mob violently attacking Tucker Carlsons home and wife is being justified right in this thread. 

 

Not that I have seen.

 

[sho nuff]

Denouncing something then following it with a 'but' turns it more into an excuse than a condemnation.

Ill remember that the next time you have a “I don’t like Trump but” moment.

But again...I don’t believe there has been much “denouncing but” with antifa.

Antifa has been thoroughly denounced by posters here and by Democrats.