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Justice - 77... best ever? (1 Viewer)
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massraider
Footballguy
I believe he had a higher vertical than Darnell Bing.
Cannon Fodder
Footballguy
He's not making it past the Bills now.
JayMan
Footballguy
Talk about "the year of the freaks"...Vernon Davis under 4.4 at 255 or so...bunkley came within one rep of tying combine record (set this year)... he had 44...
he also had a 40" vertical...
Bunkley with 44 reps and a 40' vertical...
Bush all around performance...
Justice 39' vertical at 320 pounds!
he had Superman's suit on... a Freudian slip of the keyboard I'd say... ''Cannon Fodder
Footballguy
I've heard recent reports that Ngata might not fit into the defensive style the Bills want to play. I think with these numbers there is no chance Justice makes it past the Bills. I read in the Buffalo News today that Jason Peters will not be tried at LT anymore and that he will man the RT position. With that said I would love for the Bills to land a guy like Justice.
things are getting pretty futuristic... serious mutant time...it would be like a scene from the matrix or X III...Talk about "the year of the freaks"...Vernon Davis under 4.4 at 255 or so...bunkley came within one rep of tying combine record (set this year)... he had 44...
he also had a 40" vertical...
Bunkley with 44 reps and a 40' vertical...
Bush all around performance...
Justice 39' vertical at 320 pounds!
at the one yard line, justice lines up at fullback & becomes bush's personal goal line airborn attendant/bodyguard... when that ball is snapped... they both vault OVER OL & launch towards goal line...
when, who should they find awaiting them in midair but bunkley... AND mario williams (about 42" vertical)!
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diesel7982
Footballguy
I cant see how anyone thinks the 340 lb lane clogging Ngata is a good fit for the Cover-2 type defense being installed there. Cover 2 DTs are supposed to get upfield, no matter run or pass.
Winston Justice. Definitely going top 10 now.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Question: How is the vertical jump measured? Is it from a stand-still position or can they take a step or two?
Cannon Fodder
Footballguy
Standing still.
JayMan
Footballguy
The definition of vertical jump is the jump reach minus the standing reach.The "standing reach" is how high you can extend one arm above your head while keeping both feet together and flat on the floor. The jump reach is to jump straight up without taking a step and touch the highest point possible.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
The reason Ngata is so high on most draft boards is precisely because, even at 340 lbs, he gets upfield more consistently than any DT in this class.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Id definitely disagree with you there Jason. Ngata might be able to throw around college interior linemen, but in the NFL, he won't be a 340lb pass rusher. Someone like Bunkley would be a much better fit for the Bills.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Maybe, but you seem to be fixating on Ngata's weight. He was routinely double and triple teamed this year yet had nine tackles for losses. Relative to Bunkley...despite weighing more the 30 pounds more, Ngata measured nearly as well as Bunkley:
Weight: Bunkley 306 lbs., Ngata 338 lbs.
40-yard: Bunkley 5.01, Ngata 5.13
10-yard: Bunkley 1.71, Ngata 1.73
Vertical: Bunkley 32.5, Ngata 31.5I'm a big Bunkley fan, and what he did in 2005 was obscenely good, but to suggest Ngata wouldn't fit into the Bills scheme is severely discrediting his abilities IMHO.
Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
Not to try and rain on your Winston Justice bandwagon. But what good does a verticle leap have to do with an offensive tackle? Sounds to me they need to convert him to defense so he is blocking other qb's throws instead of his own.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Its a measure of athleticism, which is huge, especially for an LT prospect.Not to try and rain on your Winston Justice bandwagon. But what good does a verticle leap have to do with an offensive tackle? Sounds to me they need to convert him to defense so he is blocking other qb's throws instead of his own.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Strength, explosiveness, short area quickness...yup, they have nothing to do with the quality of play by an offensive tackle.Not to try and rain on your Winston Justice bandwagon. But what good does a verticle leap have to do with an offensive tackle? Sounds to me they need to convert him to defense so he is blocking other qb's throws instead of his own.
Mr. Pink
Footballguy
Not to rain on everyone's parade here re: Justice, but he does carry one concern and that is his shorter than average arm length for a man his size. This is especially a concern for a left tackle and teams may consider this prior to drafting. Just throwing that out as something to consider.Strength, explosiveness, short area quickness...yup, they have nothing to do with the quality of play by an offensive tackle.Not to try and rain on your Winston Justice bandwagon. But what good does a verticle leap have to do with an offensive tackle? Sounds to me they need to convert him to defense so he is blocking other qb's throws instead of his own.
bagger.
The One Play Quiz
Not to rain on everyone's parade here re: Justice, but he does carry one concern and that is his shorter than average arm length for a man his size. This is especially a concern for a left tackle and teams may consider this prior to drafting. Just throwing that out as something to consider.Strength, explosiveness, short area quickness...yup, they have nothing to do with the quality of play by an offensive tackle.Not to try and rain on your Winston Justice bandwagon. But what good does a verticle leap have to do with an offensive tackle? Sounds to me they need to convert him to defense so he is blocking other qb's throws instead of his own.
you've got to be joking here.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Not to rain on everyone's parade here re: Justice, but he does carry one concern and that is his shorter than average arm length for a man his size. This is especially a concern for a left tackle and teams may consider this prior to drafting. Just throwing that out as something to consider.Strength, explosiveness, short area quickness...yup, they have nothing to do with the quality of play by an offensive tackle.Not to try and rain on your Winston Justice bandwagon. But what good does a verticle leap have to do with an offensive tackle? Sounds to me they need to convert him to defense so he is blocking other qb's throws instead of his own.
In NFL Draft Scout's profile of Justice...Has a thick frame with wide shoulders, good chest definition, wide bubble and waist, large developed calves and long arms...
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Really? He was measured at 34.5" and that seems pretty much in line with other OTs. It's not on the long side, but I don't think it's on the short side either.Not to rain on everyone's parade here re: Justice, but he does carry one concern and that is his shorter than average arm length for a man his size. This is especially a concern for a left tackle and teams may consider this prior to drafting. Just throwing that out as something to consider.Strength, explosiveness, short area quickness...yup, they have nothing to do with the quality of play by an offensive tackle.Not to try and rain on your Winston Justice bandwagon. But what good does a verticle leap have to do with an offensive tackle? Sounds to me they need to convert him to defense so he is blocking other qb's throws instead of his own.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Really? He was measured at 34.5" and that seems pretty much in line with other OTs. It's not on the long side, but I don't think it's on the short side either.Not to rain on everyone's parade here re: Justice, but he does carry one concern and that is his shorter than average arm length for a man his size. This is especially a concern for a left tackle and teams may consider this prior to drafting. Just throwing that out as something to consider.Strength, explosiveness, short area quickness...yup, they have nothing to do with the quality of play by an offensive tackle.Not to try and rain on your Winston Justice bandwagon. But what good does a verticle leap have to do with an offensive tackle? Sounds to me they need to convert him to defense so he is blocking other qb's throws instead of his own.
I had read the 34.5 number but couldn't find it with a quick search; but agreed that it's not bad at all. The only thing that has to concern folks re: Winston Justice is his maturity, off the field issues but he's been squeaky clean (as far as I understand it) for awhile now and really answered those questions head on during his Combine interview(s) such that it won't be an impediment to his being a top 10-15 pick.
