Justin Blackmon Can't Put the Bottle Down! (2 Viewers)

[dickey moe]

this would be an awesome jerseyhttp://www.bigcatcountry.com/2012/6/4/3064111/the-new-justin-blackmon-jerseys-are-in

Simply brilliant.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

was listening to the most excellent pat kirwan and jim millllller on sirius nfl, and they read some tweet that claimed that blackmon's supposed first dui was actually a minor in possession.also said that normally on a first offense like this the judge won't issue jail time, but the possibility is there.

He was under 21 and it's considered a DUI to have any alcohol in your system, even if under the legal limit.

and according to the report by vito whoever, who supposedly spoke with the da, that first offense was bargained down to simple possession.

 

[Instinctive]

Driving at .24 is a lot, but people are over-reacting saying most people would be passed out at that level. Most college kids get to that level on a weekly basis.

You from Alabama?

no, but i went to college and on the weekends most students are knocking back 15-18 drinks.

That's a gigantic load of bull####...it's probably 50% or less of the frat population and then maybe 10% of the independents who do that. Talk about a hyperbole there...Over a course of the whole weekend, on a heavy drinking weekend, I'm thinking 12 or so is about the top for "drinks" as measured by one beer, one shot or whatever.

12 is the top end? Did you go to an artsy school or something?

For MOST people on MOST weekends? Nah, that's pretty close. The guys who go hardest and rage of course down a lot more, and then you have the people who don't drink at all, but most of us fall somewhere in the middle 80%, not the 10% at either end...And I'm there now. And it's not artsy...lol...thread starting to sound like a lot of old guys trying to sound like they were hot #### in their good old glory days...

 

[Instinctive]

Driving at .24 is a lot, but people are over-reacting saying most people would be passed out at that level. Most college kids get to that level on a weekly basis.

You from Alabama?

no, but i went to college and on the weekends most students are knocking back 15-18 drinks.

That's a gigantic load of bull####...it's probably 50% or less of the frat population and then maybe 10% of the independents who do that. Talk about a hyperbole there...Over a course of the whole weekend, on a heavy drinking weekend, I'm thinking 12 or so is about the top for "drinks" as measured by one beer, one shot or whatever.

It is extremely naive to think that over a heavy drinking weekend a college student would consume only 12 drinks. 15-18 per night is much more realistic. And that is Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. If there is a day drinking event, an entire case over the course of the day and night is completely possible.

I must be out of touch. Drinking 15-18 drinks per night for four days in a row is ####### idiotic.

Which some people do. We're talking about MOST people on MOST weekends...I won't disagree at all that there's a solid 10% or so of the people who go hardest that top the number relatively often.But MOST people on MOST weekends? Not even close. It's extremely stupid to think that most college students do that, even at a school like OU where we have a gigantic greek presence.

 

[Banemorth]

The Florida Times-Union noted Monday that police said Blackmon was "argumentative" when he was pulled over. He failed to yield to police for four blocks. When questioned, Blackmon reportedly said, "I just flew in. I don't know why you are harassing me."He blew a .24 and .26 on his breathalyzer test, over three times the legal limit. The District Attorney in Stillwater, Okla., indicated Blackmon will not be able to plea to a lesser charge.Blackmon is expected to return to the Jaguars for offseason conditioning Tuesday and is likely to hold a news conference this week. Blackmon's arrest came at a time the team was starting its caravan to try to sell season tickets outside of Jacksonville. The No. 5 overall pick was scheduled to appear at a team event in Georgia on Friday.

 

[KCitons]

Then based on these facts we can draw one of two conclusions.

1 -Blackmon has a high tolerance for alcohol, allowing him to stand (or operate a vehicle) where others would have passed out. He could only achieve this by exposing himself to more and more alcohol over recent months.

2 -Blackmon didn't build up a tolerance to alcohol and was just lucky to be alive at .24 (and had no business driving a vehicle)

Either way, it's a problem.

It's funny how society views drinking and driving. I know there has been a lot of attention brought to it in recent years. But, it's still not taken seriously. Imagine if a person was to shoot a gun into a crowd outside a nightclub. Or worse yet, shot a single round into a crowded playground full of toddlers. People would want the book thrown at the shooter.

Yet, every day people drink and drive. Even though they know they are putting themselves and others at risk. (I don't so much care about the harm they do to themselves, this is the natural order of weeding out the weak) But, where's the outrage? where's the lynch mob?

If I drive around drunk 10 times and never get caught or hurt anyone, is it really any different from shooting 10 times into a crowd, if the bullet misses everyone?

i think you should work on your handicapping skills.also, if you know ppl are out driving drunk and its of similar deadliness as stray bullets into a crowd, you are darwining just as bad by driving yourself at drunk hours.

as for, wheres the outrage? well, read the thread and watch the news. ppl blatantly overestimate and misrepresent facts about drunk driving.

I guess over consumption of alcohol during my college days has left me with very few brain cells. I have no idea what you mean by work on my handicapping?As far as driving around during peak hours, I try to avoid it. But, if I am someone that works at night or has a legitimate reason to be on the roads at that time, I shouldn't be part of the "circle of life"

Besides, based on some of the comments in this thread, driving in a college town during any hour on the weekend, could be russian roullette.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Driving at .24 is a lot, but people are over-reacting saying most people would be passed out at that level. Most college kids get to that level on a weekly basis.

You from Alabama?

no, but i went to college and on the weekends most students are knocking back 15-18 drinks.

That's a gigantic load of bull####...it's probably 50% or less of the frat population and then maybe 10% of the independents who do that. Talk about a hyperbole there...Over a course of the whole weekend, on a heavy drinking weekend, I'm thinking 12 or so is about the top for "drinks" as measured by one beer, one shot or whatever.

It is extremely naive to think that over a heavy drinking weekend a college student would consume only 12 drinks. 15-18 per night is much more realistic. And that is Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. If there is a day drinking event, an entire case over the course of the day and night is completely possible.

And I'd call all those kids alcoholics! There is no doubt with that much consumption you've had practice and go through withdrawal = alcoholism.You need to stop before people lose all credibility for you, which might already be the case for most of us.

 

[The Clamface]

Everyone is over reacting, 3 months from now everyone will forget about this incident. If we're in the same league and you have Blackmon, I will gladly trade for him.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

I don't know if its the same at most college's but I'd say 99% of us walked to and from the bars or used the campus drunk bus.

And just to clarify, Im not calling anyone an Alcoholic that binge drinks. I just know that I 'trained' for probably 10 years to try and be able to keep up with my friends that are big drinkers back from high school through college. I never was able to drink more than 7-9 drinks despite that(caugh...lightweight...caugh). I have no clue how people can drink that much. And Im not judging, just saying it take special genetics or a lot of practice. And I know people can still be productive despite this. Just hope Justin and others (that havent been caught) can settle down a little and find that balance between being an elite athlete and young adult that just got paid and is on top of the world. Enjoy yourselves but safer. Thats all. Id never judge someone for enjoying themaelves.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Driving at .24 is a lot, but people are over-reacting saying most people would be passed out at that level. Most college kids get to that level on a weekly basis.

You from Alabama?

no, but i went to college and on the weekends most students are knocking back 15-18 drinks.

That's a gigantic load of bull####...it's probably 50% or less of the frat population and then maybe 10% of the independents who do that. Talk about a hyperbole there...Over a course of the whole weekend, on a heavy drinking weekend, I'm thinking 12 or so is about the top for "drinks" as measured by one beer, one shot or whatever.

It is extremely naive to think that over a heavy drinking weekend a college student would consume only 12 drinks. 15-18 per night is much more realistic. And that is Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. If there is a day drinking event, an entire case over the course of the day and night is completely possible.

And I'd call all those kids alcoholics! There is no doubt with that much consumption you've had practice and go through withdrawal = alcoholism.You need to stop before people lose all credibility for you, which might already be the case for most of us.

Wait you're going to lose all credibility for me because I'm trying to educate you about what drinking is like in college these days? Oh well. And it's not alcoholism. It's called binge drinking. Google it. You can educate yourself about that one.

 

[soothsayer]

Everyone is over reacting, 3 months from now everyone will forget about this incident. If we're in the same league and you have Blackmon, I will gladly trade for him.

This.

 

[KCitons]

Driving at .24 is a lot, but people are over-reacting saying most people would be passed out at that level. Most college kids get to that level on a weekly basis.

You from Alabama?

no, but i went to college and on the weekends most students are knocking back 15-18 drinks.

That's a gigantic load of bull####...it's probably 50% or less of the frat population and then maybe 10% of the independents who do that. Talk about a hyperbole there...Over a course of the whole weekend, on a heavy drinking weekend, I'm thinking 12 or so is about the top for "drinks" as measured by one beer, one shot or whatever.

It is extremely naive to think that over a heavy drinking weekend a college student would consume only 12 drinks. 15-18 per night is much more realistic. And that is Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. If there is a day drinking event, an entire case over the course of the day and night is completely possible.

And I'd call all those kids alcoholics! There is no doubt with that much consumption you've had practice and go through withdrawal = alcoholism.You need to stop before people lose all credibility for you, which might already be the case for most of us.

Wait you're going to lose all credibility for me because I'm trying to educate you about what drinking is like in college these days? Oh well. And it's not alcoholism. It's called binge drinking. Google it. You can educate yourself about that one.

I Just want to clarify, Blackmon is not in college anymore. He's now an NFL player. I think too many people are claiming that he is only 22 years old and should be given a pass. He needs to realize that his first offense was a wake up call. He was in college and was allowed a pass. I think people grow up at different times, for Blackmon, it should have happened when he was drafted. His college days are over and it's time to make the right decision each and every day, because there are people willing to pay you a lot of money to be an important member of an organization. If he would rather drink and be irresponsible, then it is obvious that he has a problem.Also, since I have started going to college again to finish my degree, can I start binge drinking (and driving) After all, I'm a college student. I should get a free pass too.

 

[ImTheScientist]

So if he had done the smart thing and taken a taxi or hired a limo we'd likely not known of his possible issue.

Drinking is not the issue..... DUI is the issue. Pretty big difference. One you hurt yourself....the other can result in you hurting others.

.24 is nothing! I piss 0.35, but I can still keep it right of the center line!

Wow...you are cool.

 

[werdnoynek]

Driving at .24 is a lot, but people are over-reacting saying most people would be passed out at that level. Most college kids get to that level on a weekly basis.

You from Alabama?

no, but i went to college and on the weekends most students are knocking back 15-18 drinks.

That's a gigantic load of bull####...it's probably 50% or less of the frat population and then maybe 10% of the independents who do that. Talk about a hyperbole there...Over a course of the whole weekend, on a heavy drinking weekend, I'm thinking 12 or so is about the top for "drinks" as measured by one beer, one shot or whatever.

It is extremely naive to think that over a heavy drinking weekend a college student would consume only 12 drinks. 15-18 per night is much more realistic. And that is Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. If there is a day drinking event, an entire case over the course of the day and night is completely possible.

And I'd call all those kids alcoholics! There is no doubt with that much consumption you've had practice and go through withdrawal = alcoholism.You need to stop before people lose all credibility for you, which might already be the case for most of us.

again, it's called binge drinking and it's more prevalent than you and alot of others here seem to realize. you also seem to have a lot of beliefs about alcohol and alcoholism, but very little actual knowledge. through your continuous subjective diatribes, you've lost your credibility for those of us who have some knowledge on the subject. imo though, your credibility was gone after your second post in this thread, when you started throwing around the word alcoholism without knowing anything about the situation. again, since you seemed to have missed it the first time and have no idea what it actually is... brought to you by the CDC

there is a difference between alcoholism and alcohol abuse. just because he abuses alcohol doesn't make him an alcoholic. blackmon, without going through an assessment - which done by a professional chemical abuse counselor - should not be labeled an alcoholic by you nor anyone else in this thread.

Binge Drinking

Binge drinking is a common pattern of excessive alcohol use in the United States. The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism defines binge drinking as a pattern of drinking that brings a person’s blood alcohol concentration (BAC) to 0.08 grams percent or above. This typically happens when men consume 5 or more drinks, and when women consume 4 or more drinks, in about 2 hours.

Most people who binge drink are not alcohol dependent.

According to national surveys

•Approximately 92% of U.S. adults who drink excessively report binge drinking in the past 30 days.

•Although college students commonly binge drink, 70% of binge drinking episodes involve adults age 26 years and older.

•The prevalence of binge drinking among men is higher than the prevalence among women.

•Binge drinkers are 14 times more likely to report alcohol-impaired driving than non-binge drinkers.

•About 90% of the alcohol consumed by youth under the age of 21 in the United States is in the form of binge drinks.

•About 75% of the alcohol consumed by adults in the United States is in the form of binge drinks.

•The proportion of current drinkers that binge is highest in the 18- to 20-year-old group (51%).

 

[werdnoynek]

I Just want to clarify, Blackmon is not in college anymore. He's now an NFL player. I think too many people are claiming that he is only 22 years old and should be given a pass. He needs to realize that his first offense was a wake up call. He was in college and was allowed a pass. I think people grow up at different times, for Blackmon, it should have happened when he was drafted. His college days are over and it's time to make the right decision each and every day, because there are people willing to pay you a lot of money to be an important member of an organization. If he would rather drink and be irresponsible, then it is obvious that he has a problem.Also, since I have started going to college again to finish my degree, can I start binge drinking (and driving) After all, I'm a college student. I should get a free pass too.

i don't think anyone is saying he should get a pass. what skeletor and myself are arguing is that we shouldn't be throwing around the word alcoholic because he's abusing alcohol. that is all.

 

[ImTheScientist]

i don't think anyone is saying he should get a pass. what skeletor and myself are arguing is that we shouldn't be throwing around the word alcoholic because he's abusing alcohol. that is all.

Doesn't really matter what you want to call him.... a DUI is a DUI. Thats the problem.

 

[werdnoynek]

i don't think anyone is saying he should get a pass. what skeletor and myself are arguing is that we shouldn't be throwing around the word alcoholic because he's abusing alcohol. that is all.

Doesn't really matter what you want to call him.... a DUI is a DUI. Thats the problem.

i'm not saying it isn't...

 

[ImTheScientist]

i don't think anyone is saying he should get a pass. what skeletor and myself are arguing is that we shouldn't be throwing around the word alcoholic because he's abusing alcohol. that is all.

Doesn't really matter what you want to call him.... a DUI is a DUI. Thats the problem.

i'm not saying it isn't...

So you get upset when someone labels another person an alcoholic? You demand a test by a professional prior to having another use that term?

 

[werdnoynek]

So you get upset when someone labels another person an alcoholic? You demand a test by a professional prior to having another use that term?

it's borderline defamation. i think it's absolutely ridiculous and i do not even like blackmon as a player. at all.ETA: as far as demanding, no. go ahead and call him an alcoholic. but you're wrong if you do until a professional says otherwise.honestly, the reason it gets me worked up is because i have alcoholics in my family (extended and nuclear) and have dealt with issues myself (i no longer drink). i just disagree with the word being used so freely by people who have no business "diagnosing" someone.

 

[ImTheScientist]

So you get upset when someone labels another person an alcoholic? You demand a test by a professional prior to having another use that term?

it's borderline defamation. i think it's absolutely ridiculous and i do not even like blackmon as a player. at all.ETA: as far as demanding, no. go ahead and call him an alcoholic. but you're wrong if you do until a professional says otherwise.

I had a family member drink every day and get DUI's.....I didn't need a professional to tell me they were an alcoholic.

 

[werdnoynek]

I had a family member drink every day and get DUI's.....I didn't need a professional to tell me they were an alcoholic.

ok.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

So you get upset when someone labels another person an alcoholic? You demand a test by a professional prior to having another use that term?

it's borderline defamation. i think it's absolutely ridiculous and i do not even like blackmon as a player. at all.ETA: as far as demanding, no. go ahead and call him an alcoholic. but you're wrong if you do until a professional says otherwise.

I had a family member drink every day and get DUI's.....I didn't need a professional to tell me they were an alcoholic.

Exactly. To be an alcoholic you need to have a physical dependancy. If Blackmon starts going to a flask during water breaks during practice on a daily basis then we can maybe label him that. Partying, binge drinking, DUIs, its all still a problem for a professional athlete even though we all understand he's still young, used to college life, maturing, whatever excuse or rationale we want to plug in here.

 

[werdnoynek]

So you get upset when someone labels another person an alcoholic? You demand a test by a professional prior to having another use that term?

it's borderline defamation. i think it's absolutely ridiculous and i do not even like blackmon as a player. at all.ETA: as far as demanding, no. go ahead and call him an alcoholic. but you're wrong if you do until a professional says otherwise.

I had a family member drink every day and get DUI's.....I didn't need a professional to tell me they were an alcoholic.

Exactly. To be an alcoholic you need to have a physical dependancy. If Blackmon starts going to a flask during water breaks during practice on a daily basis then we can maybe label him that. Partying, binge drinking, DUIs, its all still a problem for a professional athlete even though we all understand he's still young, used to college life, maturing, whatever excuse or rationale we want to plug in here.

agreed and my point exactly. we cannot call him an alcoholic because we do not know if this is something he's doing every day or if he is dependent.

 

[KCitons]

Then I guess we are all in agreement. We can't label him an alcoholic without a note from his doctor. But, we can label him stupid.

 

[cstu]

Then I guess we are all in agreement. We can't label him an alcoholic without a note from his doctor. But, we can label him stupid.

 

[Instinctive]

Then I guess we are all in agreement. We can't label him an alcoholic without a note from his doctor. But, we can label him stupid.

 

[CalBear]

So you get upset when someone labels another person an alcoholic? You demand a test by a professional prior to having another use that term?

it's borderline defamation. i think it's absolutely ridiculous and i do not even like blackmon as a player. at all.

It's not any more defamation than calling someone an ####### because he beats his wife. Even if there's a wikipedia entry that says that most people who beat their wives are not #######s.

ETA: as far as demanding, no. go ahead and call him an alcoholic. but you're wrong if you do until a professional says otherwise.

The question of whether Blackmon is an alcoholic or not is a factual one. It's true or false whether or not he's had an official assessment.

honestly, the reason it gets me worked up is because i have alcoholics in my family (extended and nuclear) and have dealt with issues myself (i no longer drink). i just disagree with the word being used so freely by people who have no business "diagnosing" someone.

When I was in college I once drank until I threw up. Once. That's what it took me to realize that it was not fun, so I stopped drinking that much.When you see someone with a pattern of behavior which indicates problems with alcohol, you have to think that they might be an alcoholic. I was in a relationship with an alcoholic for 10 years and I didn't need years of training to know that regularly drinking a bottle of wine solo and passing out is not something that healthy people do.

 

[CalBear]

To be an alcoholic you need to have a physical dependancy.

No, to be an alcoholic you need to have a problem with drinking alcohol compulsively. An alcoholic who hasn't had a drink in a year doesn't have a physical dependency, but he is very likely to drink compulsively if he starts drinking again.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Driving at .24 is a lot, but people are over-reacting saying most people would be passed out at that level. Most college kids get to that level on a weekly basis.

You from Alabama?

no, but i went to college and on the weekends most students are knocking back 15-18 drinks.

That's a gigantic load of bull####...it's probably 50% or less of the frat population and then maybe 10% of the independents who do that. Talk about a hyperbole there...Over a course of the whole weekend, on a heavy drinking weekend, I'm thinking 12 or so is about the top for "drinks" as measured by one beer, one shot or whatever.

It is extremely naive to think that over a heavy drinking weekend a college student would consume only 12 drinks. 15-18 per night is much more realistic. And that is Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. If there is a day drinking event, an entire case over the course of the day and night is completely possible.

And I'd call all those kids alcoholics! There is no doubt with that much consumption you've had practice and go through withdrawal = alcoholism.You need to stop before people lose all credibility for you, which might already be the case for most of us.

again, it's called binge drinking and it's more prevalent than you and alot of others here seem to realize. you also seem to have a lot of beliefs about alcohol and alcoholism, but very little actual knowledge. through your continuous subjective diatribes, you've lost your credibility for those of us who have some knowledge on the subject. imo though, your credibility was gone after your second post in this thread, when you started throwing around the word alcoholism without knowing anything about the situation. again, since you seemed to have missed it the first time and have no idea what it actually is... brought to you by the CDC

there is a difference between alcoholism and alcohol abuse. just because he abuses alcohol doesn't make him an alcoholic. blackmon, without going through an assessment - which done by a professional chemical abuse counselor - should not be labeled an alcoholic by you nor anyone else in this thread.

Binge Drinking

Binge drinking is a common pattern of excessive alcohol use in the United States. The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism defines binge drinking as a pattern of drinking that brings a person’s blood alcohol concentration (BAC) to 0.08 grams percent or above. This typically happens when men consume 5 or more drinks, and when women consume 4 or more drinks, in about 2 hours.

Most people who binge drink are not alcohol dependent.

According to national surveys

•Approximately 92% of U.S. adults who drink excessively report binge drinking in the past 30 days.

•Although college students commonly binge drink, 70% of binge drinking episodes involve adults age 26 years and older.

•The prevalence of binge drinking among men is higher than the prevalence among women.

•Binge drinkers are 14 times more likely to report alcohol-impaired driving than non-binge drinkers.

•About 90% of the alcohol consumed by youth under the age of 21 in the United States is in the form of binge drinks.

•About 75% of the alcohol consumed by adults in the United States is in the form of binge drinks.

•The proportion of current drinkers that binge is highest in the 18- to 20-year-old group (51%).

People who binge drink DO NOT function at a BAC of 0.24.......that's what is getting lost here! I binged drank in college......actually I be 90% of college students do, but I can tell you this much.....I passed out before I hit a level of 0.24!!!People who have an alcohol problem are the ones who can still get behind the wheel of a car at a BAC of 0.24!!!

 

[KCitons]

Driving at .24 is a lot, but people are over-reacting saying most people would be passed out at that level. Most college kids get to that level on a weekly basis.

You from Alabama?

no, but i went to college and on the weekends most students are knocking back 15-18 drinks.

That's a gigantic load of bull####...it's probably 50% or less of the frat population and then maybe 10% of the independents who do that. Talk about a hyperbole there...Over a course of the whole weekend, on a heavy drinking weekend, I'm thinking 12 or so is about the top for "drinks" as measured by one beer, one shot or whatever.

It is extremely naive to think that over a heavy drinking weekend a college student would consume only 12 drinks. 15-18 per night is much more realistic. And that is Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. If there is a day drinking event, an entire case over the course of the day and night is completely possible.

And I'd call all those kids alcoholics! There is no doubt with that much consumption you've had practice and go through withdrawal = alcoholism.You need to stop before people lose all credibility for you, which might already be the case for most of us.

again, it's called binge drinking and it's more prevalent than you and alot of others here seem to realize. you also seem to have a lot of beliefs about alcohol and alcoholism, but very little actual knowledge. through your continuous subjective diatribes, you've lost your credibility for those of us who have some knowledge on the subject. imo though, your credibility was gone after your second post in this thread, when you started throwing around the word alcoholism without knowing anything about the situation. again, since you seemed to have missed it the first time and have no idea what it actually is... brought to you by the CDC

there is a difference between alcoholism and alcohol abuse. just because he abuses alcohol doesn't make him an alcoholic. blackmon, without going through an assessment - which done by a professional chemical abuse counselor - should not be labeled an alcoholic by you nor anyone else in this thread.

Binge Drinking

Binge drinking is a common pattern of excessive alcohol use in the United States. The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism defines binge drinking as a pattern of drinking that brings a person’s blood alcohol concentration (BAC) to 0.08 grams percent or above. This typically happens when men consume 5 or more drinks, and when women consume 4 or more drinks, in about 2 hours.

Most people who binge drink are not alcohol dependent.

According to national surveys

•Approximately 92% of U.S. adults who drink excessively report binge drinking in the past 30 days.

•Although college students commonly binge drink, 70% of binge drinking episodes involve adults age 26 years and older.

•The prevalence of binge drinking among men is higher than the prevalence among women.

•Binge drinkers are 14 times more likely to report alcohol-impaired driving than non-binge drinkers.

•About 90% of the alcohol consumed by youth under the age of 21 in the United States is in the form of binge drinks.

•About 75% of the alcohol consumed by adults in the United States is in the form of binge drinks.

•The proportion of current drinkers that binge is highest in the 18- to 20-year-old group (51%).

People who binge drink DO NOT function at a BAC of 0.24.......that's what is getting lost here! I binged drank in college......actually I be 90% of college students do, but I can tell you this much.....I passed out before I hit a level of 0.24!!!People who have an alcohol problem are the ones who can still get behind the wheel of a car at a BAC of 0.24!!!

For me, once I hit anything over .12. I was taking a less than attractive member, of the opposite sex, to my dorm room. If I ever got to .24, I'm afraid of what I would have woke up to.

 

[werdnoynek]

Driving at .24 is a lot, but people are over-reacting saying most people would be passed out at that level. Most college kids get to that level on a weekly basis.

You from Alabama?

no, but i went to college and on the weekends most students are knocking back 15-18 drinks.

That's a gigantic load of bull####...it's probably 50% or less of the frat population and then maybe 10% of the independents who do that. Talk about a hyperbole there...Over a course of the whole weekend, on a heavy drinking weekend, I'm thinking 12 or so is about the top for "drinks" as measured by one beer, one shot or whatever.

It is extremely naive to think that over a heavy drinking weekend a college student would consume only 12 drinks. 15-18 per night is much more realistic. And that is Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. If there is a day drinking event, an entire case over the course of the day and night is completely possible.

And I'd call all those kids alcoholics! There is no doubt with that much consumption you've had practice and go through withdrawal = alcoholism.You need to stop before people lose all credibility for you, which might already be the case for most of us.

again, it's called binge drinking and it's more prevalent than you and alot of others here seem to realize. you also seem to have a lot of beliefs about alcohol and alcoholism, but very little actual knowledge. through your continuous subjective diatribes, you've lost your credibility for those of us who have some knowledge on the subject. imo though, your credibility was gone after your second post in this thread, when you started throwing around the word alcoholism without knowing anything about the situation. again, since you seemed to have missed it the first time and have no idea what it actually is... brought to you by the CDC

there is a difference between alcoholism and alcohol abuse. just because he abuses alcohol doesn't make him an alcoholic. blackmon, without going through an assessment - which done by a professional chemical abuse counselor - should not be labeled an alcoholic by you nor anyone else in this thread.

Binge Drinking

Binge drinking is a common pattern of excessive alcohol use in the United States. The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism defines binge drinking as a pattern of drinking that brings a person’s blood alcohol concentration (BAC) to 0.08 grams percent or above. This typically happens when men consume 5 or more drinks, and when women consume 4 or more drinks, in about 2 hours.

Most people who binge drink are not alcohol dependent.

According to national surveys

•Approximately 92% of U.S. adults who drink excessively report binge drinking in the past 30 days.

•Although college students commonly binge drink, 70% of binge drinking episodes involve adults age 26 years and older.

•The prevalence of binge drinking among men is higher than the prevalence among women.

•Binge drinkers are 14 times more likely to report alcohol-impaired driving than non-binge drinkers.

•About 90% of the alcohol consumed by youth under the age of 21 in the United States is in the form of binge drinks.

•About 75% of the alcohol consumed by adults in the United States is in the form of binge drinks.

•The proportion of current drinkers that binge is highest in the 18- to 20-year-old group (51%).

People who binge drink DO NOT function at a BAC of 0.24.......that's what is getting lost here! I binged drank in college......actually I be 90% of college students do, but I can tell you this much.....I passed out before I hit a level of 0.24!!!People who have an alcohol problem are the ones who can still get behind the wheel of a car at a BAC of 0.24!!!

subjective babble really helps prove your point. arguing with you is like arguing with a 3 year old. research says every individual reacts differently to alcohol. metabolism (which is generally extremely high with professional athletes), medication, body composition, etc. all have an impact on how alcohol can affect you vs the guy/gal standing next to you. so just because you're a lightweight doesn't make blackmon.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

To be an alcoholic you need to have a physical dependancy.

No, to be an alcoholic you need to have a problem with drinking alcohol compulsively. An alcoholic who hasn't had a drink in a year doesn't have a physical dependency, but he is very likely to drink compulsively if he starts drinking again.

We're both right. Definition By Mayo Clinic staff

Alcoholism is a chronic disease in which your body becomes dependent on alcohol. When you have alcoholism, you lose control over your drinking. You may not be able to control when you drink, how much you drink, or how long you drink on each occasion. If you have alcoholism, you continue to drink even though you know it's causing problems with your relationships, health, work or finances.

It's possible to have a problem with alcohol but not have all the symptoms of alcoholism. This is known as "alcohol abuse," which means you drink too much and it causes problems in your life although you aren't completely dependent on alcohol. If you have alcoholism or you abuse alcohol, you may not be able to cut back or quit without help. A number of approaches are available to help you recover from alcoholism, including medications, counseling and self-help groups.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alcoholism/DS00340

 

[cstu]

.20 - .25 You’re confused. You usually need help doing things, even standing up. Those who drive are 50 to 100 times more likely to crash. The average alcohol-related highway death occurs at this level. (8-12 drinks within 4 hours… BAC .20%

 

[ImTheScientist]

So you get upset when someone labels another person an alcoholic? You demand a test by a professional prior to having another use that term?

it's borderline defamation. i think it's absolutely ridiculous and i do not even like blackmon as a player. at all.ETA: as far as demanding, no. go ahead and call him an alcoholic. but you're wrong if you do until a professional says otherwise.

I had a family member drink every day and get DUI's.....I didn't need a professional to tell me they were an alcoholic.

Exactly. To be an alcoholic you need to have a physical dependancy. If Blackmon starts going to a flask during water breaks during practice on a daily basis then we can maybe label him that. Partying, binge drinking, DUIs, its all still a problem for a professional athlete even though we all understand he's still young, used to college life, maturing, whatever excuse or rationale we want to plug in here.

How do you know about his physical dependency?

 

[werdnoynek]

So you get upset when someone labels another person an alcoholic? You demand a test by a professional prior to having another use that term?

it's borderline defamation. i think it's absolutely ridiculous and i do not even like blackmon as a player. at all.ETA: as far as demanding, no. go ahead and call him an alcoholic. but you're wrong if you do until a professional says otherwise.

I had a family member drink every day and get DUI's.....I didn't need a professional to tell me they were an alcoholic.

Exactly. To be an alcoholic you need to have a physical dependancy. If Blackmon starts going to a flask during water breaks during practice on a daily basis then we can maybe label him that. Partying, binge drinking, DUIs, its all still a problem for a professional athlete even though we all understand he's still young, used to college life, maturing, whatever excuse or rationale we want to plug in here.

How do you know about his physical dependency?

exactly, we don't. we don't know if blackmon is physically dependent of alcohol. for now he's an idiot and not an alcoholic. moving on.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

So you get upset when someone labels another person an alcoholic? You demand a test by a professional prior to having another use that term?

it's borderline defamation. i think it's absolutely ridiculous and i do not even like blackmon as a player. at all.ETA: as far as demanding, no. go ahead and call him an alcoholic. but you're wrong if you do until a professional says otherwise.

I had a family member drink every day and get DUI's.....I didn't need a professional to tell me they were an alcoholic.

Exactly. To be an alcoholic you need to have a physical dependancy. If Blackmon starts going to a flask during water breaks during practice on a daily basis then we can maybe label him that. Partying, binge drinking, DUIs, its all still a problem for a professional athlete even though we all understand he's still young, used to college life, maturing, whatever excuse or rationale we want to plug in here.

How do you know about his physical dependency?

I didn't. That was just agreeing with your assesment, where in a case like that your a little safer making a judgement. Then I was just adding additional info. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[DoubleG]

For me, once I hit anything over .12. I was taking a less than attractive member, of the opposite sex, to my dorm room. If I ever got to .24, I'm afraid of what I would have woke up to.

Well, at least it would be a female sheep.Sorry, that was baaaaaaaaaad.

 

[ImTheScientist]

So you get upset when someone labels another person an alcoholic? You demand a test by a professional prior to having another use that term?

it's borderline defamation. i think it's absolutely ridiculous and i do not even like blackmon as a player. at all.ETA: as far as demanding, no. go ahead and call him an alcoholic. but you're wrong if you do until a professional says otherwise.

I had a family member drink every day and get DUI's.....I didn't need a professional to tell me they were an alcoholic.

Exactly. To be an alcoholic you need to have a physical dependancy. If Blackmon starts going to a flask during water breaks during practice on a daily basis then we can maybe label him that. Partying, binge drinking, DUIs, its all still a problem for a professional athlete even though we all understand he's still young, used to college life, maturing, whatever excuse or rationale we want to plug in here.

How do you know about his physical dependency?

exactly, we don't. we don't know if blackmon is physically dependent of alcohol. for now he's an idiot and not an alcoholic. moving on.

Its possible he is an alcoholic. You don't know.

 

[KCitons]

For me, once I hit anything over .12. I was taking a less than attractive member, of the opposite sex, to my dorm room. If I ever got to .24, I'm afraid of what I would have woke up to.

Well, at least it would be a female sheep.Sorry, that was baaaaaaaaaad.

Hopefully it would be a female sheep. If it was a male sheep, my friends would have made fun of me.

 

[werdnoynek]

So you get upset when someone labels another person an alcoholic? You demand a test by a professional prior to having another use that term?

it's borderline defamation. i think it's absolutely ridiculous and i do not even like blackmon as a player. at all.ETA: as far as demanding, no. go ahead and call him an alcoholic. but you're wrong if you do until a professional says otherwise.

I had a family member drink every day and get DUI's.....I didn't need a professional to tell me they were an alcoholic.

Exactly. To be an alcoholic you need to have a physical dependancy. If Blackmon starts going to a flask during water breaks during practice on a daily basis then we can maybe label him that. Partying, binge drinking, DUIs, its all still a problem for a professional athlete even though we all understand he's still young, used to college life, maturing, whatever excuse or rationale we want to plug in here.

How do you know about his physical dependency?

exactly, we don't. we don't know if blackmon is physically dependent of alcohol. for now he's an idiot and not an alcoholic. moving on.

Its possible he is an alcoholic. You don't know.

 

[DansRams]

Wow...I am really sorry I read the last 3 pages....I must be a readthesharkpoolaholic.... at least I didnt read and drive

 

[Faust]

Justin Blackmon 'humble' after returning to Jaguars

Justin Blackmon is back with the Jacksonville Jaguars on Tuesday after his weekend DUI arrest. He has yet to speak with the media, but he did talk to Jaguars great Fred Taylor.

Taylor happened to be in the building Tuesday to give a talk to the team's rookies. Taylor also had a private conversation with Blackmon. John Oesher of Jaguars.com spoke with Taylor, who said Blackmon struck him as "humble."

That is the attitude the Jaguars want. Blackmon was reportedly argumentative when pulled over by police.

"It's (look in the) mirror time," one Jaguars official told Len Pasquarelli of Sports XChange on Tuesday. "He's going to have to 'fess up,' take ownership of the situation, and lay out a course for dealing with this thing head-on."

Blackmon, who pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor DUI charge on Monday, was also expected to meet with general manager Gene Smith and head coach Mike Mularkey on Tuesday.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Justin Blackmon 'humble' after returning to Jaguars

Justin Blackmon is back with the Jacksonville Jaguars on Tuesday after his weekend DUI arrest. He has yet to speak with the media, but he did talk to Jaguars great Fred Taylor.

Taylor happened to be in the building Tuesday to give a talk to the team's rookies. Taylor also had a private conversation with Blackmon. John Oesher of Jaguars.com spoke with Taylor, who said Blackmon struck him as "humble."

That is the attitude the Jaguars want. Blackmon was reportedly argumentative when pulled over by police.

"It's (look in the) mirror time," one Jaguars official told Len Pasquarelli of Sports XChange on Tuesday. "He's going to have to 'fess up,' take ownership of the situation, and lay out a course for dealing with this thing head-on."

Blackmon, who pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor DUI charge on Monday, was also expected to meet with general manager Gene Smith and head coach Mike Mularkey on Tuesday.

Sounds like AA meetings are in his future.

 

[msommer]

Having to spend the next four years catching ducks from Blaine Gabbert is enough to drive even high character guys to drink, apparently

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

3 days of sobriety? Well done.Rotoworld.com

Justin Blackmon stated at a Wednesday press conference that he has given up drinking "for right now" following a second DUI arrest in a 20-month span.Blackmon denied that he has a drinking problem, even if the facts suggest otherwise. "We're obviously very disappointed in this incident," GM Gene Smith said. "This type of behavior is unacceptable." Smith indicated that any discipline for Blackmon would be a "league matter," and not come from the Jaguars.

For right now.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Interesting that one of the reasons some people ranked Blackmon ahead of Floyd was because of Floyd's alcohol issues.

I know.I was expecting headlines like "Rookie WR blows at .15, and it's NOT FLOYD!"But then again, I'm a Floyd owner; so this tends to reinforce my bias.

 

[cstu]

3 days of sobriety? Well done.Rotoworld.com

Justin Blackmon stated at a Wednesday press conference that he has given up drinking "for right now" following a second DUI arrest in a 20-month span.Blackmon denied that he has a drinking problem, even if the facts suggest otherwise. "We're obviously very disappointed in this incident," GM Gene Smith said. "This type of behavior is unacceptable." Smith indicated that any discipline for Blackmon would be a "league matter," and not come from the Jaguars.

For right now.

You expect him to say he'll never drink again?

 

[werdnoynek]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8299cb9a/article/justin-blackmon-i-dont-have-a-drinking-problem?module=HP11_headline_stack

he talks about as slow as he runs... though he may still be hung over.

 

[KCitons]

I may be a little bias, since Blackmon is now on my idiots list. But, he didn't make any statements that made me change my opinion of him. Or, believe that he is truly sorry and really understands what he did wrong. I have no doubt that he knows he is in trouble and it could effect him, but I'm willing to bet there is a 63% chance that he has another off field problem in the next 18 months.

I would have liked to hear him say - "I may have a problem understanding how my body reacts to alcohol. Due to the support of my team and coaches, I am fortunate to have the tools to help me understand if I have an alcohol abuse problem. At this point in my life, I dismiss my actions as being poor judgement, but with the help the NFL and the Jaguars organization, I can move forward in a positive way"

Oh well, maybe next time.

 

[cstu]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8299cb9a/article/justin-blackmon-i-dont-have-a-drinking-problem?module=HP11_headline_stack

he talks about as slow as he runs...

He doesn't come across as the sharpest tool in the shed...