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Justin Blackmon Can't Put the Bottle Down! (1 Viewer)

Wadsworth said:
'FDC said:
I actually think Blackmon makes a nice buy low candidate right now at the right price. Call it a gut feeling more than anything. I was not a Blackmon fan before this (in respect to his value).
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I disagree. I would unload Blackmon if I could get anything close to reasonable compensation at this point. Jacksonville is a small town, especially when it comes to nightlife. I called some friends yesterday and got back multiple reports that Justin has been seen in public drinking heavily and being confrontational. I hope he is able to get his drinking under control but at this point if you are playing the odds I would think moving on is the best option.
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Shocking development!

 
:lmao: Has it even been determined what this latest infraction was for? Do we know it's alcohol related yet? He could have been smokin' the reefer too right? Or Cocaine? Herion? PCP?

Don't give Carl the benefit of the doubt here. He's rarely right... :shrug:

 
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Was this recent (last couple of months) or last year and the NFL is just now getting around to suspension?

 
ADP said:
Was this recent (last couple of months) or last year and the NFL is just now getting around to suspension?
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They couldn't punish last season because he wasn't actually in the NFL when it happened - hadn't signed his contract I believe.

I think he's now (or was) in the Substance Abuse Program or something like that... and this was an infraction on that. For what? No one knows for sure and it's all speculation right now. Saying he's a drunk or alcoholic or whatever right now is counter-productive (yet fun). We'll find out more in the next couple days I assume...

 
The arrest prior to his signing doesn't count against him for rules infractions. The first failed test isn't made public, so this is the second failed test since he signed his contract in June.

 
TheGreatSpinks said:
The arrest prior to his signing doesn't count against him for rules infractions. The first failed test isn't made public, so this is the second failed test since he signed his contract in June.
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is he failing alcohol tests? Don't understand how someone can be randomly tested for alcohol when its perfectly legal. I know the NFL is a private company and could do what it wants but to randomly test for booze is a little extreme. Need some more info

 
brohans i hope that he can put it down that is a powerful demon and it gets the better of some people so i hope that he cleans up and learns from this and moves on for the best of himself and his family take that to the bank

 
KellysHeroes said:
TheGreatSpinks said:
The arrest prior to his signing doesn't count against him for rules infractions. The first failed test isn't made public, so this is the second failed test since he signed his contract in June.
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is he failing alcohol tests? Don't understand how someone can be randomly tested for alcohol when its perfectly legal. I know the NFL is a private company and could do what it wants but to randomly test for booze is a little extreme. Need some more info
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It would be for something more severe than just drinking alcohol.

 
KellysHeroes said:
is he failing alcohol tests? Don't understand how someone can be randomly tested for alcohol when its perfectly legal. I know the NFL is a private company and could do what it wants but to randomly test for booze is a little extreme. Need some more info
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The testing is probably related to his two DUIs. But yes, we're all speculating at this point.
 
(Purely my own opinion based on a few rumors and a hunch)

I suspect that Justin was not following through with his required treatment plan per league policy. He may have test positive for something, but right now I think the main issue was him blowing off his rehab.

(/end opinion)

 
Wadsworth said:
(Purely my own opinion based on a few rumors and a hunch)

I suspect that Justin was not following through with his required treatment plan per league policy. He may have test positive for something, but right now I think the main issue was him blowing off his rehab.

(/end opinion)
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That would jive with Caldwell's comment that the situation was "avoidable"

ETA - I would also include blowing off a required test with your possible scenario.

 
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Rotoworld:

NFL suspended Jaguars WR Justin Blackmon indefinitely for another violation of the league's substance abuse policy.
His season is over. Blackmon opened 2013 on a four-game suspension for similar violations, and has had well-documented alcohol problems dating back to Oklahoma State. The reason for his latest ban is unclear. ESPN's Chris Mortensen confirmed on NFL Live Friday that Blackmon is done for the year, suspended indefinitely, and his future with the Jaguars' organization is now up in the air. Look for Mike Brown to be Jacksonville's No. 2 receiver the rest of the way. Cecil Shorts is going to be a target monster in the Jaguars' garbage-time offense.
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Per FOX Sports' Jay Glazer, suspended WR Justin Blackmon will be eligible to apply for reinstatement for the start of the 2014 season.
Glazer reports "those close to Blackmon" are trying to get him help and to a rehab facility. The Jaguars' organization was informed of Blackmon's latest ban on Friday afternoon. The specifics of Blackmon's violation have yet to be revealed, but he is done for the 2013 season and is now a repeat offender of the league's substance abuse policy. The Jags could easily throw in the towel on Blackmon, although talent usually comes first for NFL team decision makers.

Source: Jay Glazer on Twitter
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Guys who think he's going to beat this are most likely fooling themselves. He was suspended for the first four games of this year -- and still couldn't stay clean for more than a month or two in season.

 
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Faust said:
Rotoworld:

NFL suspended Jaguars WR Justin Blackmon indefinitely for another violation of the league's substance abuse policy.
His season is over. Blackmon opened 2013 on a four-game suspension for similar violations, and has had well-documented alcohol problems dating back to Oklahoma State. The reason for his latest ban is unclear. ESPN's Chris Mortensen confirmed on NFL Live Friday that Blackmon is done for the year, suspended indefinitely, and his future with the Jaguars' organization is now up in the air. Look for Mike Brown to be Jacksonville's No. 2 receiver the rest of the way. Cecil Shorts is going to be a target monster in the Jaguars' garbage-time offense.
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Per FOX Sports' Jay Glazer, suspended WR Justin Blackmon will be eligible to apply for reinstatement for the start of the 2014 season.
Glazer reports "those close to Blackmon" are trying to get him help and to a rehab facility. The Jaguars' organization was informed of Blackmon's latest ban on Friday afternoon. The specifics of Blackmon's violation have yet to be revealed, but he is done for the 2013 season and is now a repeat offender of the league's substance abuse policy. The Jags could easily throw in the towel on Blackmon, although talent usually comes first for NFL team decision makers.

Source: Jay Glazer on Twitter
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wdcrob said:
Guys who think he's going to beat this are most likely fooling themselves. He was suspended for the first four games of this year -- and still couldn't stay clean for more than a month or two in season.
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I didn't know booze was an illegal NFL substance. Was it something else?

 
I know this is frustrating for many owners. Addictions are a disease. A chronic medical problem not unlike diabetes. In most cases relapse is part of the recovery. My hope is that Blackmon himself gains some insight and engages in treatment. Get over the shame of not being able to stop drinking despite awful consequences. This is a lifelong illness. He needs treatment, sober friends, AA, etc. He can recover from this and if he does - he might just be even better at football. Think about that for a sec...

 
So sad to read this today, guy has immense talent, hope he gets the help he needs because he is losing out and the fans are being robbed of a gifted WR who has top 5 potential. I refuse to pile on, understand others will judge but I live in a glass house so I prefer to not participate in the pile on.

Get well JB, see you in 2014.

 
Gottabesweet said:
I think we see him Week 1 next year and better than ever.
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Please choose 1 questionto answer:

1) How many dyno leagues do you own him in?

2) How are you and Mr. Blackmon related?

3) Is the weather nice in Jacksonville this time of year?

(Of course if all 3 are applicable, feel free to answer them all)

 
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DoubleG said:
Gottabesweet said:
I think we see him Week 1 next year and better than ever.
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Please choose 1 questionto answer:

1) How many dyno leagues do you own him in?

2) How are you and Mr. Blackmon related?

3) Is the weather nice in Jacksonville this time of year?

(Of course if all 3 are applicable, feel free to answer them all)

1. Traded him away in a re-draft a few weeks ago.

2. I wish would be one hell of a party

3. I prefer winter.
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JohnnyU said:
wdcrob said:
Guys who think he's going to beat this are most likely fooling themselves. He was suspended for the first four games of this year -- and still couldn't stay clean for more than a month or two in season.
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I didn't know booze was an illegal NFL substance. Was it something else?
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We don't know if it was alcohol, but from what I learned in the previous suspension alcohol is banned as part of his program.

 
Blackmon need to spend the offseason at Betty Ford to kick his addiction. It would be sad if alcohol is the downfall of a great career.

 
The thing is if he has a bunch of people around him saving/enabling him all the time he may never kick the addiction. He has to want to get help. He has to know that he has a problem. That typically takes hitting rock bottom........

I am not trading him for nothing because I might as well just hold onto him but he is available.

 
Concept Coop said:
cstu said:
We don't know if it was alcohol, but from what I learned in the previous suspension alcohol is banned as part of his program.
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Where did you see this? If true, I'm surprised by this.
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Apparently it's true:

Pat McAfee, esteemed NFL punter, raconteur and bon vivant is bringing his sweet music to FOXSports.com. We’ll be giving him his own space every now and then to preach on whatever tickles his fancy. Remember to check out his charity at PatMcAfeeFoundation.org.

By Pat McAfee, FOXSports.com

Hello again, beautiful people of the Internet.

I disappeared into the land of training camp for a few weeks, so I apologize for my absence. Training camp was fun — thanks for asking — but just about every person I know who has to leave their house for an extended time for work, is excited to get back home.

Going into this camp, I wondered about what there was going to be as far as entertainment off the field. Last year, every night we’d watch the Olympics. NBC delayed showing all of the content until evenings, and for players at training camp, it was perfect. Get back to the room around 10 p.m., watch America beat the hell out of some other country until 11 and then pass out. This year, I knew there was going to be no Olympics, so how did I spend that hour? Shark Week was cool, but that got old. You can only watch Great Whites demolish seals for so long, or watch folks hop into cages and ask, “Are Sharks really dangerous?” Uhh … yeah #######, that’s why that cage exists in the first place.

But then a few things happened that seem to be happening a bit too often these days as some negative stories hit the NFL by storm. One was a video, which was extremely disappointing to watch. And the other was about a superstar tangling with the substance of abuse policy/program the NFL has in place. I know all about embarrassing myself to the nation with some poor decisions, but it’s not my place to talk about what happened in that video. What I can talk about though, because I went through it, and made it out of it, is the substance of abuse program. Not many get out, and here’s what it is.

A week after I got arrested for public intoxication in 2010, I was shipped by the NFL to Chicago. I went to meet with numerous psychiatrists, psychologists and whoever else they thought could help the NFL figure out whether I was a full-blown alcoholic, or if the night I got into trouble was an anomaly. I was tested for seven hours and got the same question about 30 times in different forms. I had to take a written test, a memory test, answer “What would you do here?” questions, you name it, they asked it.

I was informed that day that I was in Stage 1 of the substance abuse program. They would see how that goes, then get ahold of me in 90 days and tell me what the next move was. Stage 1 consisted of this:

(Up to) eight random urine tests a month. They could come at any time and I had four hours to complete the test. If I did not complete the test, it would be deemed a fail.

Meet with a substance of abuse counselor once a week. The NFL employs counselors in every city to meet with players in “The Program.” It’s your standard counselor meeting… “How’s this week going? Have you used?” It had to be at least one hour, I think.

Check in with the league anytime I was relocating. If I was taking a trip somewhere, I had to call the league, “Report my change of location,” give them the address I’d be at, how many days I’d be there, and two phone numbers they could reach me at.

I hated it, obviously, but I was the one who messed up, so I had to deal with it.

For any drug or alcohol related arrest you are put in “The Program.” Obviously, if you fail a test, you are put in “The Program.” So, 90 days goes by and I have zero failed tests, zero missed counselor sessions, zero missed relocations. Basically, I was doing everything I could to live life by “The Program.” I didn’t touch alcohol or any other drugs. I basically didn’t leave my house for 90 days. I figured I already did enough by ending up in this program, I’m not messing up while being in “The Program.”

On day 80ish, I got a call from the head psychiatrist in Chicago. She informed me that their tests concluded with the notion that I am not an alcoholic, I just made some bad decisions on the evening I was arrested. I was so pumped after that phone call. I thought I was done with “The Program” after this 90-day Stage 1 phase. Then on Day 90, I got a call from Dr. Spadafora, a man I had never talked to, but apparently he was one of the head guys of “The Program,” and he let me know that he was “the man” very quickly into our conversation. It went something like this:

“Patrick, this is Dr. Spadafora from NFL substance of abuse program, informing you that I have decided to move you into Stage 2 of the substance of abuse program. It is exactly like Stage 1, but this lasts two years,” he said.

“WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA”, I said. “I talked to a sweet lady 10 days ago, who knows me, and she said I was not an alcoholic”

“Well, I’m the one that made the decision not her,” he told me.

I was furious and fired back with a nice, “Then why the hell did I go to Chicago? Get tested by people that aren’t you? You don’t even know me. And what the hell is the purpose of Stage 1? If you do everything right, you’re going to go to Stage 2 anyways, shouldn’t there just be one stage then?”

“We’ll look into changing your starting date of Stage 2 to 90 days ago, we’ll get back to you if it changes,” he said.

And boom, my mind was blown.

The eight random urine tests. The counselor. The “changing of location.” The constant worry of failing a test would last for another 730 days. I was bummed, but you know what they say, “If life gives you limes, take a shot of tequila.”

Well, I couldn’t do that, for obvious reasons, but I was going to try and make the most of it.

I didn’t drink for two years. I laid low and found other hobbies. I was upset, but I knew I was the only one to blame for being in there. I was urine tested at 4:30 a.m. in the woods of Georgia, after a long, unsuccessful evening of hunting for Bigfoot. I was so deep in the woods, trying to find that damn Sasquatch, I missed the calls of the tester. By the time I got out of the woods, there was 15 minutes left for me to generate enough urine to fill the cup. If I failed that test, I would’ve moved into Stage 3, which lasts the rest of your career. I was not about to do that. I had to give my bladder a motivational speech, and about five bottles of Pedialyte.

I was urine tested 190 times in 27 months. I had 108 counselor sessions. 100 “change of location” conversations. And to be honest, it wasn’t that bad. Was it redundant? Yeah. Should it be run differently? To separate folks who do it right, and the large majority of folks who will never get out of the program? Yeah. Do you feel like somebody is watching your every step? Yeah, but for me, it was a harsh reality I needed. I was wild, and that night was not an anomaly, so I’m pretty thankful the program entered my life. But I definitely think it needs to be changed a bit, too. So, if you hear about a guy getting into trouble, or failing a test, please don’t think that they’re not being punished. It’s a tough program to get through. And if you slip up, and you’re a superstar, the word will get around.
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The scary part for Blackmon is that he's in Stage 3, which means he'll be tested for alcohol for the rest of his career.

 
cstu said:
The scary part for Blackmon is that he's in Stage 3, which means he'll be tested for alcohol for the rest of his career.
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Crazy. Worse that I thought; I assumed it was weed or another DUI. His value has taken a major hit. I wish I had known he was being tested for (a drop of!) alcohol.

 
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Concept Coop said:
cstu said:
The scary part for Blackmon is that he's in Stage 3, which means he'll be tested for alcohol for the rest of his career.
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Crazy. Worse that I thought; I assumed it was week or another DUI. His value has taken a major hit. I wish I had known he was being tested for (a drop!) alcohol.
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Frankly, he either goes to rehab and kicks his addiction or his career is over. He can either go the way of Jared Allen or Koren Robinson.

 
Blackmon's big screw up was getting the DUI. This is what Kyle Turley had to say in reference to Jared Allen:

"As long as you're not getting arrested, you can be an alcoholic in this league and somebody will give you a job."
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HOF WR-C.Carter was not on the right path in Philly and in today's NFL he might not have made it but he did get help. I would like to see Carter reach out to Blackmon and help this kid, too much talent to watch it wasted.

 
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