Justin Fargas to See More Carries? (1 Viewer)

[Garrett]

Looks Like He Will See the Field More in 2006

Lamont is obviously still the main guy in Oakland, but when Fargas is healthy can really get downfield in a hurry. His health is obviously in question just based upon his history, but if he does well in camp and comes into the season at 100% I would expect him to see a lot more carries this season.

Looking at Oakland's rushing stats last year...

+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Zack Crockett | 16 | 60 208 3.5 1 | 13 111 8.5 0 || Omar Easy | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || Justin Fargas | 14 | 5 28 5.6 0 | 1 9 9.0 0 || Lamont Jordan | 14 | 272 1025 3.8 9 | 70 563 8.0 2 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+With Crockett being the FB, you have 277 HB carries, and 272 of those going to Jordan. I think Crockett will still see 3-4 carries a game in short-yardage situations. Although, I think Fargas' increased carries will not have significant impact on Jordan's total carries when comparing 2005 and 2006. Oakland only ran the ball 361 times last season (31st in the league in attempts). Shell has made it clear that they will rededicate to the run, so I would say 460 is a good rough estimate (just slightly above the league average).Crockett - 60

Jordan - 322

Fargas - 78

Although if you look at Shell's history, his RB's reception totals were consistently low. Jordan is a good receiver for his size, but just based upon the offense they ran during Shell's previous tenure, and the fact that they have been very clear that they will go back to that; I would be shocked if Jordan caught more than 25 passes.

Most Receptions at RB under Art Shell

1994 - Harvey Williams - 47 receptions

1993 - Steve Smith - 19 receptions

1992 - Steve Smith - 28 receptions

1991 - Roger Craig - 17 receptions

1990 - Marcus Allen - 15 receptions

1989 - Marcus Allen - 20 receptions

All over-analysis aside, I think there is perception that Jordan is going to see a lot more work in 2006. I think he will gain 50 carries, but lose 50 receptions; keeping his total touches inline with the 2005 season. Also, Fargas is clearly the guy to carry the load if Jordan goes down. He was buried by Turner's "one back" mentality, but, when healthy, he is a talented number 2.

 

[menobrown]

Looks Like He Will See the Field More in 2006

. I think he will gain 50 carries, but lose 50 receptions; keeping his total touches inline with the 2005 season. .

No way in hell does Lamont only catch 20 balls.

 

[Jason Wood]

The Raiders were 31st in rushing attempts last year, even if Jordan gets another 20-30 carries; it's still quite likely that Fargas (or whoever backs up LJ) would be in line for an increased workload.

Also, maybe Raiders fans can confirm this, but I've heard that Zack Crockett is no lock to make the team.

 

[The Ref]

Looks Like He Will See the Field More in 2006

.  I think he will gain 50 carries, but lose 50 receptions; keeping his total touches inline with the 2005 season. .

No way in hell does Lamont only catch 20 balls.

I am waiting till preseason games to make any jugements. New Coach, New System, New QB - I don't think 25 is out of the question.

 

[Garrett]

Looks Like He Will See the Field More in 2006

. I think he will gain 50 carries, but lose 50 receptions; keeping his total touches inline with the 2005 season. .

No way in hell does Lamont only catch 20 balls.

Also, when looking at Shell's coaching history...Most Total Touches by a single RB

1994 - Harvey Williams - 329

1993 - Greg Robinson - 171

1992 - Eric Dickerson - 201

1991 - Roger Craig - 179

1990 - Marcus Allen - 194 (this year is questionable because they had Allen & Jackson)

1989 - Bo Jackson - 182 (same thing)

So right now with the estimate I laid out for carries...

Crockett - 60

Jordan - 322

Fargas - 78

20 receptions puts Jordan at 342 touches. I guess, more than anything, I don't see any RB taking on more than 350 touches in the offense they will run.

 

[Big Score]

Check this thread as well - same subject matter;

Remember Justin Fargas?, You'll see more of him in '06

 

[cstu]

Check this thread as well - same subject matter;

Remember Justin Fargas?, You'll see more of him in '06

He had 5 carries, so I think there's a decent chance he'll have more than that this year, assuming he can stay healthy through camp (right... )

 

[malice]

Still can't get excited about him. He won't unseat Jordan as the starter, so best case scenario is that he steps up if Jordan gets hurt. He's only had one spectacular play in the past 3 seasons, and if you throw in all the ?s at the QB position, I'm down on all the Raiders backs this season.

Brooks has often been a TD-vulture in the red zone.

If Brooks turns the ball over (as in the past), they'll be playing from behind often.

If Brooks loses the job, the RBs will end up blocking more to cover for the backup (and still might when Brooks runs).

I think they're giving him more work because he's up for a contract renewal and want to see what they've got.

 

[Garrett]

Brooks has often been a TD-vulture in the red zone.

I think they're giving him more work because he's up for a contract renewal and want to see what they've got.

Two good points.My main concern is really to see how everyone around Lamont Jordan (players and coaches) is going to influence the touches he gets in 2006. I had not even considered the threat of Brooks as a runner as well (Collins at QB for an entire season does weird things to your head). Things like that are tough to gauge, but he surely will run more than Collins did.

 

[Z-Dog]

two points of my own

1. Fargas is not a good player, and he's not a healthy player.

2. Lamont Jordan should get 300 carries this year though he will catch fewer balls.

 

[duaneok66]

It's Still JULY . . . It's like talking to a little kid after Christmas in late December . . . all the toys still work and everything's GREAT . . . Check the kid's room in April . . .

 

[zamboni]

As noted, Fargas probably WILL get more carries, but that's not saying much. No RB in the league can be expected to get 90% of the carries - you need to give a guy a breather once in awhile.

Besides, even if Fargas does get more carries, you have to figure that Jordan will still get the all-important goal line ones.

 

[fatness]

It would be difficult for him to see fewer carries. But I wouldn't put it past him.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

This is from fanball.com today:

THE NEWS

Running back LaMont Jordan wasn't shy about his disappointment late last season, but he's turned the page in the new Art Shell regime. "This offense is definitely geared more toward my running style," Jordan told the Contra Costa Times. "Last year we did a lot more running sideways, which I didn't like nor did the linemen like. This year you can tell Coach Shell's mentality is downhill power football. I still don't think I've proven myself as a starting running back in the NFL yet. Sure, I caught 70 passes and did what I did last year, but I think this organization expects more out of me, and I definitely expect more out of myself."

Our View

Jordan was able to keep his fantasy value afloat with those receiving contributions, but there is definite upside for him in the ground game. At the very least, complacency doesn't seem to be an issue for LaMont in his second season as the Raiders feature back.

I feel Jordan will get 320-350 touches this year and all of the goal line work. Fargas won't be a factor at all and is not even worth a fantasy roster spot. If Jordan goes down I would hope to have a better RB option than having to play Fargas.

 

[bjlmonster]

Remember, that even though Crockett is a FB, he got most of his carries last year as the #2 RB to give Jordan a break.

If Fargas is healthy, he will get a few of Crockett's #2RB carries as a change of pace or to rest Jordan.

 

[zamboni]

Remember, that even though Crockett is a FB, he got most of his carries last year as the #2 RB to give Jordan a break.

But that was last year under Turner. Plus, Crockett was less than effective in his short-lived role.

 

[imeimex]

Remember, that even though Crockett is a FB, he got most of his carries last year as the #2 RB to give Jordan a break.

But that was last year under Turner. Plus, Crockett was less than effective in his short-lived role.

Fargas has never been effective whether it be in training camp or limited regualar season action. The last couple years an article has come out like this every pre-season and I have held on to Fargas due to the fact that he is the backup running back but I have yet to see any reward for his roster spot.

 

[joffer]

It would be difficult for him to see fewer carries. But I wouldn't put it past him.

 

[zamboni]

Remember, that even though Crockett is a FB, he got most of his carries last year as the #2 RB to give Jordan a break.

But that was last year under Turner. Plus, Crockett was less than effective in his short-lived role.

Fargas has never been effective whether it be in training camp or limited regualar season action. The last couple years an article has come out like this every pre-season and I have held on to Fargas due to the fact that he is the backup running back but I have yet to see any reward for his roster spot.

I hear you. As a Jordan owner, however, I think I'm going to sooner target Fargas than Crockett to cover myself.Granted, neither are probably a good option, but Crockett is like 33 or 34, one-dimensional, and just not someone I would put much faith in.

 

[Garrett]

Another point I have seen debated when looking at the coaching/system change is the style of running being used. I have seen comments from Jordan and the likes of Gallery and Simms talking about how excited they are to be going with a power running game. I can only assume this means more straight-ahead runs, inbetween the tackles. Jordan was on SIRIUS yesterday talking about how he was excited they would not be "running sideways" anymore and going right at the opposition.

I don't really know what to make of this, but is it possible this style of running is somehow related to the noticably lower total touches per season for Shell's past running backs? I guess the backs get mixed up with the lineman more often and rarely get out of bounds on a lot of plays. If there is any correlation, having only Fargas and Smart behind Jordan seems questionable.

 

[Garrett]

No way in hell does Lamont only catch 20 balls.

2007 Grand TotalsJordan - 10 catches in 10 games

Fargas - 13 cathces in 16 games

 

[Colin Dowling]

I'm trying to figure out how Justin Fargas is suppposed to beat out Rhodes and Bush for carries. I think Fargas's battle is with Crockett to be on the roster at all..

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I'm trying to figure out how Justin Fargas is suppposed to beat out Rhodes and Bush for carries. I think Fargas's battle is with Crockett to be on the roster at all..

This thread was started (and mostly finished) before Rhodes or Bush were factors. It was an ill-fated thread to be sure though.

 

[Riffraff]

I'm trying to figure out how Justin Fargas is suppposed to beat out Rhodes and Bush for carries. I think Fargas's battle is with Crockett to be on the roster at all..

Thread was from 2006. Poster prior to yours was reviving it because he called something correctly.

 

[PatsWillWin]

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