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Justin Fargas value when he returns (1 Viewer)
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the team is in shambles, and has 2 young rbs that they need to give burn to and see what pans out. Makes no sense whatsoever plugging in Fargas, unless they're contending for something. They clearly are not. Dropping him in 2 seperate leagues I have him in. Was fun while it lasted, his value was right late in the draft, and if he stayed healthy and played well, might have held onto the job or atleast a 50/50 split for a bit. now he is no better than the 3rd rb on his team, meaning he's worthless in FF
the team is in shambles, and has 2 young rbs that they need to give burn to and see what pans out. Makes no sense whatsoever plugging in Fargas, unless they're contending for something. They clearly are not. Dropping him in 2 seperate leagues I have him in. Was fun while it lasted, his value was right late in the draft, and if he stayed healthy and played well, might have held onto the job or atleast a 50/50 split for a bit. now he is no better than the 3rd rb on his team, meaning he's worthless in FF
Riffraff
Footballguy
Biggest question is how a possible new head coach would use him. That's the wildcard.
If it's still Kiffin, I think he goes back to starting since they need veteran support for Russell's development.
A QB's progression is a greater need than a RBs. McFadden will still get his though.
If it's still Kiffin, I think he goes back to starting since they need veteran support for Russell's development.
A QB's progression is a greater need than a RBs. McFadden will still get his though.
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therokie0070
Footballguy
I think everyone will be suprised when fargas is healthy he will be the primary back with Mcfadden being a 3rd down and change of pace back!!!! Fargas is currently the better all around back for Oakland, but I think by next year Fargas will be gone and MCfadden will be an every down back. why rush a good thing let Mcfadden work his way in to the system!!!!!
We're talking about a rb here, not a qb. While I understand that RBs need to learn the playbook and pass blocking and all that good stuff, usually rbs are thrown right into the fire to get some experience, especially if a team is not competing for anything. Add to that fact that they have another young rb on the team that is pretty good, and a high draft pick, and it spells the end of Fargas in Raiderland. New coach or old, just makes no sense running fargas out there for any amount of carries when you're clearly rebuilding, and have young, quality rbs that will be your future...therokie0070 said:
Fargas looked more effective than McFadden before the groin pull, particularly in the KC game, where I think he was outproducing DMac to the tune of 9/43 to 5/10 when he went down. Fargas does what McFadden does not (and what Fargas himself used to fail to do), use his vision and patience to find the right hole and wait for it to open. McFadden just takes off as soon as he has the ball in his hands. If Fargas was healthy for the 2nd half of the KC game, he would have put up numbers close to McFadden's, the D was tired and the holes were huge. The Raiders *should* give him his role as at least the 1A to McFadden's 1B when he gets back (MBush doesnt look like anything special... yet), but they are one of those teams that burn you when you assume they will act rational. I would certainly hold Fargas in deep leagues/pick him up off the WW if he dropped at least until we see if the Raiders will be wise with their talented RB corps.
Chachi
Footballguy
I noticed McFadden did this in the preseason, to me he has already fixed this part of his game or at the very least it's a work in progress. I have seen patience hitting the right hole from McFadden in the regular season on alot of plays.
Resident A
Footballguy
I'm a McFadden owner & the Fargas owner keeps offering him to me for cheap. I don't want him. I think Bush will have more value. Plus, I don't think Fargas is back anytime soon, that groin injury looked bad.
If a new coach comes in, his first instruction from Al will be to get the ball to McFadden more, so that only hurts Fargas even more.
If a new coach comes in, his first instruction from Al will be to get the ball to McFadden more, so that only hurts Fargas even more.
Even if McFadden is rough around the edges, which I believe him to be, the idea is to let him mature via real NFL games. What purpose is it going to serve having him sit around watching Fargas run, when they aren't competing for anything. I strongly believe even Bush gets burn ahead of Fargas at this point. When you invest heavily in a rb like they have in McFadden, doesn't matter how much better the other back is. UNLESS you're competing for the playoffs. If you're just playing the games waiting for next year, and you run Fargas out there over McFadden, then its stupidity beyond what Al Davis and co. have been know for...
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Fargas's return affects Bush more than McFadden. While I do think a healthy Fargas will naturally take some carries away, DMac is the more explosive threat, and the Raider's run-oriented O seems to dictate you go with the player who gives you the best chance at breaking a game open. And that's McFadden, not Fargas.
When Fargas returns - presumably at 100%, which may be in doubt anyways as groin injuries can linger and we haven't heard ANY status updates about it - I see DMac getting 60% of the carries, Fargas with 25%, and Bush with 15% including goallines.
When Fargas returns - presumably at 100%, which may be in doubt anyways as groin injuries can linger and we haven't heard ANY status updates about it - I see DMac getting 60% of the carries, Fargas with 25%, and Bush with 15% including goallines.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
What is Fargas's value in a dynasty league?
rock753
Footballguy
Where do you think he will be playing next year?
The Raiders have him signed to a reasonable 3 year deal (12 mil). He's their best RB right now, and even if McFadden develops, he's their 2nd best RB. This, on a team that wants to run the ball 600 times a year. Why would they cut or trade him?
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Because Bush is more than a suitable backup behind Mcfadden. Not that they will trade him, but that would be a good reason.
good question being lost in the mix..How do people see this playing out if all three backs can stay healthy? Is Bush going back to the bench or did he do enough to warrant more carries now that Fargas is back?
They signed Jordan to a big contract too, and let him go fairly early in that contract. If you believe that has any significance on one getting playing time, you don't understand NFL contracts very well. I think he's gone next year. They've got a high paid high draft pick that looks like a player, and a moderately paid rb that could have been a 1st rounder if not for an injury in college, and can also be a player. And, most importantly, they are not even remotely competing for the playoffs at the moment, which would be the only reason to keep a veteran in there ahead of the youngins. Anything can happen in Al Davis land, but I think the writing is on the wall for this year and next. Fargas will not get much burn unless McFadden gets seriously hurt...
Chachi
Footballguy
Puuuuuuulease.
burd
Footballguy
does 10-15 carries on his first week back seem reasonable? the raiders right now are a team that runs alot. even if Fargas and Bush split carries, it's possible for both to approach 20 carries a game. i guess it all depends on how Fargas is welcomed back to the team ... if he's given a chance to regain his starting job. the raiders used to be very high on Fargas and i don't see why anything would've changed. again, an Oakland homer probably has a better feel for what the Raiders might do.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Link?
az_prof
Footballguy
I have no clue what will happen and because we are dealing with a new HC, I don't think any of us do.
That being said, I have to say that I think M. Bush has looked very good--he fights for the extra yards, has shown good speed and vision, and has shown the ability to break tackles.
That being said, I have to say that I think M. Bush has looked very good--he fights for the extra yards, has shown good speed and vision, and has shown the ability to break tackles.
3C's
Footballguy
It's true, but that's what Kiffin was saying. Could be a different story now that he's gone.
hardcoredx
Footballguy
The Raiders org is very high on Bush. He and Dmac are their future set. There is no way on earth Fargas is their best back. I think he will be traded/cut during the off-season.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
as Lee Corso would say, "Not so fast, my friend"only problem with your assumptions is that you believe McFadden is 100% recovered from Turf Toe..more than a groin injury, turf toe can linger for a long,long time...and guys continually play on it, because while its nagging, its not completely dabilitating to some players..As a McFadden owner I'm worried that he's not going to produce at a high level this year b/c of the turf toe..shades of Chris Brown...great in first halves of games, then he's on the bench in the 3rd quarter, done for the day..
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
It was in Pro Football Weekly
Steel Dillo
Footballguy
Saint's looked good against Peterson last night, but they can be run on... If McFadden is hobbled by the toe, maybe Fargas gets 60% of carries? I guess alot depends on whether they fall behind the Saints quickly or not, but I bet they try to pound it and keep the Saints offense off the field.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
If you read carefully, I'm also assuming that Fargas is back at 100% too -- obviously any lingering injury to any player shifts distribution. It's just as possible that Fargas's injury lingers as well.Bottom line is that McFadden is the best talent on this football club in the backfield, and with the Raiders run-oriented offense, I would think they want to exploit this ability early in games to help move the ball downfield and put up points. If that doesn't work, they can use Fargas and his dependable ball-carrying skills as the primary runner in the second half -- although at this point in some games, opportunities may be more limited if the Raiders need to throw to keep up.as Lee Corso would say, "Not so fast, my friend"only problem with your assumptions is that you believe McFadden is 100% recovered from Turf Toe..more than a groin injury, turf toe can linger for a long,long time...and guys continually play on it, because while its nagging, its not completely dabilitating to some players..As a McFadden owner I'm worried that he's not going to produce at a high level this year b/c of the turf toe..shades of Chris Brown...great in first halves of games, then he's on the bench in the 3rd quarter, done for the day..
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Fargas was around long before Kiffin was.
AgentMulder
Footballguy
This is the correct answer in this thread.
RudeDog
Footballguy
I'm surprised this thread didn't get more play. I see Fargas as a valuable asset for my team and I'm expecting him to average around 12 pts per game now that he is back.
DMC is still hobbled and will see limited action, so if Fargas performs well fast he'll lock up the starting position pretty tightly. My only fear now is that Bush takes all the GL work and limits his TD potential.
Still, Fargas is a good back and with that Raider OL will produce good numbers the remainder of the season. He will be a sneaky producer, just like last year.
My problem now is, do I start Hightower or Fargas :(
DMC is still hobbled and will see limited action, so if Fargas performs well fast he'll lock up the starting position pretty tightly. My only fear now is that Bush takes all the GL work and limits his TD potential.
Still, Fargas is a good back and with that Raider OL will produce good numbers the remainder of the season. He will be a sneaky producer, just like last year.
My problem now is, do I start Hightower or Fargas :(
Steel Town
Footballguy
Fargas came back and didn't do much....none of the Raiders did. I am trying to decide if McFadden is a good buy low, or if he is better off on another roster.
