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Justin Hunter the next big thing? (1 Viewer)

From articles I've read http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/11/04/wr-justin-hunter-unvarnished-moss/ and a few others they all think he's a Randy Moss,AJ Green type. In 3 years this guy might be the next big thing. He showed glimpses of his talent vs the charger and more against the raiders. I think if this kid puts it together he can be a real stud.
I don't think he will be anywher near as good as Moss or even Green. But I do think he could be as good as Maclin or Vincent Jackson--a Wr10-Wr20 type, in fantasy.

 
He's certainly got the ability. When you watch him play, it is clear his game is somewhat raw and unrefined. He's not an exceptional route runner or technician yet, but he's shown glimpses of his innate physical gifts. To be considered a true wr1 in fantasy, he's got to become the lead dog on his own team, which may happen but certainly not this year. Couple that with average to below average qb play, and you probably have a player that is a top 40 prospect in redraft formats. I view him higher in a dynasty format, perhaps a top 30 wr, but given his relative inexperience and other previously mentioned circumstances, that's about as bullish as I can get for right now. I will say that he does, due to his talent, have top 15-20 potential, but only if those external variables change.

 
From articles I've read http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/11/04/wr-justin-hunter-unvarnished-moss/ and a few others they all think he's a Randy Moss,AJ Green type. In 3 years this guy might be the next big thing. He showed glimpses of his talent vs the charger and more against the raiders. I think if this kid puts it together he can be a real stud.
Oddly enough, there's a lot of good discussion in the existing 7-page thread on Justin Hunter.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=666279

 
From articles I've read http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/11/04/wr-justin-hunter-unvarnished-moss/ and a few others they all think he's a Randy Moss,AJ Green type. In 3 years this guy might be the next big thing. He showed glimpses of his talent vs the charger and more against the raiders. I think if this kid puts it together he can be a real stud.
Oddly enough, there's a lot of good discussion in the existing 7-page thread on Justin Hunter.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=666279
But how am I supposed to find the current discussion??

 
In terms of raw physical upside, few players in the league today can match Justin Hunter. No clue if he's going to put it all together, but he's already making plays that only a handful of other WRs are capable of making.

 
Raider Nation said:
Bobbyn2022 said:
From articles I've read http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/11/04/wr-justin-hunter-unvarnished-moss/ and a few others they all think he's a Randy Moss,AJ Green type. In 3 years this guy might be the next big thing. He showed glimpses of his talent vs the charger and more against the raiders. I think if this kid puts it together he can be a real stud.
Oddly enough, there's a lot of good discussion in the existing 7-page thread on Justin Hunter.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=666279
Yeah, and if you would have Suscribed to Eminence Football, you would have known this months ago:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681145&hl=

But yeah, if Hunter gets targets he's going to be a machine. Glad I have him in my Dynasty.

 
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I've always found him to be an interesting player. Certainly not the perfect WR, but dynamic enough in some respects that it might not matter. Despite shaking that tackler after the catch this past weekend, I'd say Hunter's biggest weakness (apart from a total lack of strength) is the ability to operate in tight spaces. Very little shake-and-bake to his game. Zero punt return skills. This has been my line on him for a long time now. He's very much a long strider and a player who lacks great phone booth quickness. But the flipside of his insane stride length is that he has devastating vertical ability. Covers acres of ground with every step.

His 11'4" standing broad jump is a testament to his vertical explosiveness. That's like the broad jump equivalent of running a 4.2 in the 40. Very rare. Off the top of my head, Calvin Johnson is the only recent WR prospect to better that mark. Hunter can also jump really high. His 39.5" vertical was tops among WRs at the combine. So what you have is a really tall deep threat with tremendous springiness and hops. Send him down the field, chuck it up to him, and he'll thrive. He's never going to be the complete all-around #1 WR who excels at every route in the playbook. But what he does well, he does VERY well. And that's why I kept him pretty high on my board despite some obvious glaring weaknesses.

 
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His 11'4" standing broad jump is a testament to his vertical explosiveness. That's like the broad jump equivalent of running a 4.2 in the 40. Very rare. Off the top of my head, Calvin Johnson is the only recent WR prospect to better that mark.
Since 2006, here are the WRs to top 11' at the combine:

11'4" - Justin Hunter

11'4" - Jerome Simpson

11'3" - Julio Jones

11'1" - Will Blackmon

11'1" - Stephen Hill

11'0" - Marquise Goodwin

11'0" - Da'Rick Rogers

Even if you open it up to all positions, only Jamie Collins (11'7") tops Justin Hunter since 2006. Calvin jumped an 11'7" at his pro day. Do prospects usually have a "pro day bump" on their broad jump results like they do on their 40 yard dash times?

ETA: Hunter's 4.35 forty tied Calvin and Desean's combine mark, and was just 0.01 behind Tavon Austin and 0.02 behind Mike Wallace. You're pretty much looking at a who's who of NFL deep threats. And Hunter is 6'4"...

 
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I don't think so. It is a pretty simple thing to measure a standing broad jump. No reason for wide variance.

 
I don't think so. It is a pretty simple thing to measure a standing broad jump. No reason for wide variance.
I wouldn't think so either, but I figured you or wdcrob or one of the other guys who tracks those stats would have a better idea.

 
Very little shake-and-bake to his game. Zero punt return skills. This has been my line on him for a long time now. He's very much a long strider and a player who lacks great phone booth quickness.
This was my understanding as well. That is why the Raiders TD was so impressive. I know it's only one play, but he showed all the skills described above. Add that to his vertical game and there is good reason why folks are getting very excited
 
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Very little shake-and-bake to his game. Zero punt return skills. This has been my line on him for a long time now. He's very much a long strider and a player who lacks great phone booth quickness.
This was my understanding as well. That is why the Raiders TD was so impressive. I know it's only one play, but he showed all the skills described above. Add that to his vertical game and there is good reason why folks are getting very excited
People say he doesn't have those skills but the reality is he never needed to show/develop those skills because, until now, he simply just ran by everyone and outjumped them. So, I won't say he has that skill set now but I will also say its achievable and something he just needs to develop and when he does it will show in spades, much like Dez Bryan needed to learn to play press coverage. Once he did, he became twice the WR.

 
Raider Nation said:
Bobbyn2022 said:
From articles I've read http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/11/04/wr-justin-hunter-unvarnished-moss/ and a few others they all think he's a Randy Moss,AJ Green type. In 3 years this guy might be the next big thing. He showed glimpses of his talent vs the charger and more against the raiders. I think if this kid puts it together he can be a real stud.
Oddly enough, there's a lot of good discussion in the existing 7-page thread on Justin Hunter.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=666279
I get the impression that the search function breaks frequently on this site. I mean, I can't think of any other explanation.

 
Dropped T Williams for him just for the fact of that home run capability. Britt is essentially gone and D Williams is nothing special. Hunter can really make a impression in this offense along with Wright being such a PPR monster

 
Raider Nation said:
Bobbyn2022 said:
From articles I've read http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/11/04/wr-justin-hunter-unvarnished-moss/ and a few others they all think he's a Randy Moss,AJ Green type. In 3 years this guy might be the next big thing. He showed glimpses of his talent vs the charger and more against the raiders. I think if this kid puts it together he can be a real stud.
Oddly enough, there's a lot of good discussion in the existing 7-page thread on Justin Hunter.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=666279
I get the impression that the search function breaks frequently on this site. I mean, I can't think of any other explanation.
THis is ewither the case or I don't know how to use it (which is possible). THere have been times when i have searched the exact title of a thread and it did not come back on the first entire page of results.

 
He's not Moss nor Green. Closer to Sidney Rice.
Going back a little further, he reads like Alvin Harper of the Cowboys' super bowl years. Tremendous vertical threat with major hops. Not a great route runner. Doesn't have true WR1 body/skills. But oh, what he does, he does fantastically well. Tennessee grad.

 
Very little shake-and-bake to his game. Zero punt return skills. This has been my line on him for a long time now. He's very much a long strider and a player who lacks great phone booth quickness.
This was my understanding as well. That is why the Raiders TD was so impressive. I know it's only one play, but he showed all the skills described above. Add that to his vertical game and there is good reason why folks are getting very excited
People say he doesn't have those skills but the reality is he never needed to show/develop those skills because, until now, he simply just ran by everyone and outjumped them. So, I won't say he has that skill set now but I will also say its achievable and something he just needs to develop and when he does it will show in spades, much like Dez Bryan needed to learn to play press coverage. Once he did, he became twice the WR.
You can't "learn" innate physical skills. You either have the right body type to perform certain moves or you don't. It's not a matter of technique or practice.

Maybe I'm underselling Hunter's agility, but that's beside the overall point. Function follows form. An athlete's body is going to determine what he can/can't do when it comes to movement. Tony Gonzalez can't make the insane cuts of Barry Sanders because his body isn't constructed in a way that allows that kind of movement. You can't unlearn things that are an innate part of who you are. Hunter will never have the agility of Ace Sanders or Tavon Austin. His body simply isn't built in a way that's going to allow him to make the moves that they can make.

However, he also has qualities that those players don't possess. Namely the height, range, leaping ability, and crazy stride length. In his case his positives are so off-the-charts good that I could see him being successful if a team plays to his strengths despite the fact that he may be deficient in certain areas. That's all I was really saying. He's probably never going to be the complete create-a-player #1 NFL WR like Andre Johnson or Demaryius Thomas. He doesn't have to be that guy in order to have success though. The question is does he do enough good things at a high enough level to be productive? And I think he has a real chance.

 
Very little shake-and-bake to his game. Zero punt return skills. This has been my line on him for a long time now. He's very much a long strider and a player who lacks great phone booth quickness.
This was my understanding as well. That is why the Raiders TD was so impressive. I know it's only one play, but he showed all the skills described above. Add that to his vertical game and there is good reason why folks are getting very excited
People say he doesn't have those skills but the reality is he never needed to show/develop those skills because, until now, he simply just ran by everyone and outjumped them. So, I won't say he has that skill set now but I will also say its achievable and something he just needs to develop and when he does it will show in spades, much like Dez Bryan needed to learn to play press coverage. Once he did, he became twice the WR.
You can't "learn" innate physical skills. You either have the right body type to perform certain moves or you don't. It's not a matter of technique or practice.

Maybe I'm underselling Hunter's agility, but that's beside the overall point. Function follows form. An athlete's body is going to determine what he can/can't do when it comes to movement. Tony Gonzalez can't make the insane cuts of Barry Sanders because his body isn't constructed in a way that allows that kind of movement. You can't unlearn things that are an innate part of who you are. Hunter will never have the agility of Ace Sanders or Tavon Austin. His body simply isn't built in a way that's going to allow him to make the moves that they can make.

However, he also has qualities that those players don't possess. Namely the height, range, leaping ability, and crazy stride length. In his case his positives are so off-the-charts good that I could see him being successful if a team plays to his strengths despite the fact that he may be deficient in certain areas. That's all I was really saying. He's probably never going to be the complete create-a-player #1 NFL WR like Andre Johnson or Demaryius Thomas. He doesn't have to be that guy in order to have success though. The question is does he do enough good things at a high enough level to be productive? And I think he has a real chance.
:goodposting:

 
Bloom loves him. That's usually enough for me. I still can't go hog wild trying to acquire him but will where I can. Mainly because I can't seem to trust his QB, Fitzpatrick. Can he emerge as a consistent fantasy weapon behind Kendall Wright? And does Nate Washington just go away? I love the Tennesee schedule going forward. But I go back to Bloom's endoresement, good enough for him, good enough for me. He's come a long way from being just a one catch per game TD specialist. Get him now if you can.

 
i had kind of an aha moment when i saw the first few seconds of this youtube track compilation... it is a frozen image near the top of his long jump... maybe it is the camera angle, but it just looks like he is literally flying... the video give a sense of the caliber athlete he is... one reason i was high on him was i think he spent a lot of time on track, where being explosive but lean and light was at a premium in his events (not a lot of obese long jumpers and high jumpers)... the thinking was, once he could committ to year round football training, nutrition, weightlifting (i think at one time he was one of the top prep long jumpers in the nation, and maybe international caliber in the junior ranks... don't know if he was quite olympic caliber material like marquis goodwin, so if he doesn't have olympic aspirations, he can start getting bigger and stronger), he can find a more natural balance of body type better suited and fitted to the gridiron than the track... not that we would ever want to see him get muscle bound like david boston... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls4g5n_PjAs

 
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Very little shake-and-bake to his game. Zero punt return skills. This has been my line on him for a long time now. He's very much a long strider and a player who lacks great phone booth quickness.
This was my understanding as well. That is why the Raiders TD was so impressive. I know it's only one play, but he showed all the skills described above. Add that to his vertical game and there is good reason why folks are getting very excited
People say he doesn't have those skills but the reality is he never needed to show/develop those skills because, until now, he simply just ran by everyone and outjumped them. So, I won't say he has that skill set now but I will also say its achievable and something he just needs to develop and when he does it will show in spades, much like Dez Bryan needed to learn to play press coverage. Once he did, he became twice the WR.
You can't "learn" innate physical skills. You either have the right body type to perform certain moves or you don't. It's not a matter of technique or practice.

Maybe I'm underselling Hunter's agility, but that's beside the overall point. Function follows form. An athlete's body is going to determine what he can/can't do when it comes to movement. Tony Gonzalez can't make the insane cuts of Barry Sanders because his body isn't constructed in a way that allows that kind of movement. You can't unlearn things that are an innate part of who you are. Hunter will never have the agility of Ace Sanders or Tavon Austin. His body simply isn't built in a way that's going to allow him to make the moves that they can make.

However, he also has qualities that those players don't possess. Namely the height, range, leaping ability, and crazy stride length. In his case his positives are so off-the-charts good that I could see him being successful if a team plays to his strengths despite the fact that he may be deficient in certain areas. That's all I was really saying. He's probably never going to be the complete create-a-player #1 NFL WR like Andre Johnson or Demaryius Thomas. He doesn't have to be that guy in order to have success though. The question is does he do enough good things at a high enough level to be productive? And I think he has a real chance.
I was talking about learning to run routes, etc, not his speed, height, etc.

 
Very little shake-and-bake to his game. Zero punt return skills. This has been my line on him for a long time now. He's very much a long strider and a player who lacks great phone booth quickness.
This was my understanding as well. That is why the Raiders TD was so impressive. I know it's only one play, but he showed all the skills described above. Add that to his vertical game and there is good reason why folks are getting very excited
People say he doesn't have those skills but the reality is he never needed to show/develop those skills because, until now, he simply just ran by everyone and outjumped them. So, I won't say he has that skill set now but I will also say its achievable and something he just needs to develop and when he does it will show in spades, much like Dez Bryan needed to learn to play press coverage. Once he did, he became twice the WR.
You can't "learn" innate physical skills. You either have the right body type to perform certain moves or you don't. It's not a matter of technique or practice.

Maybe I'm underselling Hunter's agility, but that's beside the overall point. Function follows form. An athlete's body is going to determine what he can/can't do when it comes to movement. Tony Gonzalez can't make the insane cuts of Barry Sanders because his body isn't constructed in a way that allows that kind of movement. You can't unlearn things that are an innate part of who you are. Hunter will never have the agility of Ace Sanders or Tavon Austin. His body simply isn't built in a way that's going to allow him to make the moves that they can make.

However, he also has qualities that those players don't possess. Namely the height, range, leaping ability, and crazy stride length. In his case his positives are so off-the-charts good that I could see him being successful if a team plays to his strengths despite the fact that he may be deficient in certain areas. That's all I was really saying. He's probably never going to be the complete create-a-player #1 NFL WR like Andre Johnson or Demaryius Thomas. He doesn't have to be that guy in order to have success though. The question is does he do enough good things at a high enough level to be productive? And I think he has a real chance.
Not saying he's Barry Sanders, but watch that play in the Oakland game, and it may cause you to reevaluate your original position on Hunter's agility. It has led me to take another look.
 
From articles I've read http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/11/04/wr-justin-hunter-unvarnished-moss/ and a few others they all think he's a Randy Moss,AJ Green type. In 3 years this guy might be the next big thing. He showed glimpses of his talent vs the charger and more against the raiders. I think if this kid puts it together he can be a real stud.
Oddly enough, there's a lot of good discussion in the existing 7-page thread on Justin Hunter.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=666279
I get the impression that the search function breaks frequently on this site. I mean, I can't think of any other explanation.
The search function sucks on this site. So aside from scrolling through each page 1 thread at a time, its possible he missed it.

 
Very little shake-and-bake to his game. Zero punt return skills. This has been my line on him for a long time now. He's very much a long strider and a player who lacks great phone booth quickness.
This was my understanding as well. That is why the Raiders TD was so impressive. I know it's only one play, but he showed all the skills described above. Add that to his vertical game and there is good reason why folks are getting very excited
People say he doesn't have those skills but the reality is he never needed to show/develop those skills because, until now, he simply just ran by everyone and outjumped them. So, I won't say he has that skill set now but I will also say its achievable and something he just needs to develop and when he does it will show in spades, much like Dez Bryan needed to learn to play press coverage. Once he did, he became twice the WR.
You can't "learn" innate physical skills. You either have the right body type to perform certain moves or you don't. It's not a matter of technique or practice.

Maybe I'm underselling Hunter's agility, but that's beside the overall point. Function follows form. An athlete's body is going to determine what he can/can't do when it comes to movement. Tony Gonzalez can't make the insane cuts of Barry Sanders because his body isn't constructed in a way that allows that kind of movement. You can't unlearn things that are an innate part of who you are. Hunter will never have the agility of Ace Sanders or Tavon Austin. His body simply isn't built in a way that's going to allow him to make the moves that they can make.

However, he also has qualities that those players don't possess. Namely the height, range, leaping ability, and crazy stride length. In his case his positives are so off-the-charts good that I could see him being successful if a team plays to his strengths despite the fact that he may be deficient in certain areas. That's all I was really saying. He's probably never going to be the complete create-a-player #1 NFL WR like Andre Johnson or Demaryius Thomas. He doesn't have to be that guy in order to have success though. The question is does he do enough good things at a high enough level to be productive? And I think he has a real chance.
Not saying he's Barry Sanders, but watch that play in the Oakland game, and it may cause you to reevaluate your original position on Hunter's agility. It has led me to take another look.
I've seen it a couple times now. Nice play. I don't want to harp too much on the agility stuff other than to say I think it's one area where he suffers a little bit in comparison to some of the game's best (with strength being his other big weakness). I'm relatively high on him overall though. Took him at 1.07 in a WR-heavy rookie draft back in early May. Actually traded up just to get him. Always felt that he might have the highest ceiling of any WR in this class.

He was slow out of the blocks this year, but one thing I like is that he seems to have a really high highlight reel play-to-catch ratio. He hasn't caught very many balls this season, but quite a few of his catches have been impressive. The hail mary early in the season. The 40 yarder a couple weeks ago. The long TD this past weekend. It's a small sample size, but he seems to have a knack for making special plays.

 
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Well I got him, now the tough part is do I actually have the stones to insert him into the lineup.

I don't see who I'd take out, so I'll wait and see.

 
I've been debating whether I should drop Fleener or D Walker. I wanted to keep both for the playoffs but having him for depth might be nice.

 
For me, Hunter is strictly for 2014 and beyond. Fitzpatrick will limit his upside ROS but I could very easily see Hunter and Wright being a real nice combo for years to come. Now the question is who will be the QB of the future here? Has Locker shown enough to warrant investing heavily in his future or do they bring someone else in during the next couple of drafts?

 
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For me, Hunter is strictly for 2014 and beyond. Fitzpatrick will limit his upside ROS but I could very easily see Hunter and Wright being a real nice combo for years to come. Now the question is who will be the QB of the future here? Has Locker shown enough to warrant investing heavily in his future or do they bring someone else in during the next couple of drafts?
I am sure they will draft someone next year. It may be a Mike Glenon type 2nd/3rd rounder who everyone knows is going to start eventually or it could be a higher pick. Joker here is Bud dying. Could be that the new ownership want to clean house for rebuild and results, could also be that the continuity matters.

IMHO it is more likely that a high pick is used on QB next year if FO and coaches stay - they can then buy another year 'with the rookie qb' as opposed to 'injury prone' Locker

If they clean house it is all but certain they pick a QB also but could be that the new team will be willing to give Locker another shot, particularly if they perceive another large need on the roster (CB, MLB, OT?). Then they will go QB in the second or third.

The implcation for Hunter is that we just don't know. Locker has all but ignored him but he seems to get more looks with Fitz - or is it that Britt is gettin gless snaps now?

Another wrinkle is Nate Washington. He is due 4.8m next year but nothing guaranteed. UFA 2015. He could be a cap casualty, but he could also restructure or renew/extend. He has 36 receptions in 11 games and hasn't been relevant since week 5. I think he is likely to be cut, but again, it depends on what happens in the front office and with the coaches

 
Hunter was barely playing when Locker was starting. Hunter only got a decent % of snaps after Damian Williams went down.

 
I can't see Washington being retained for 3 catches a game when there is a rookie that is outplaying him that deserves more snaps.

 
For me, Hunter is strictly for 2014 and beyond. Fitzpatrick will limit his upside ROS but I could very easily see Hunter and Wright being a real nice combo for years to come. Now the question is who will be the QB of the future here? Has Locker shown enough to warrant investing heavily in his future or do they bring someone else in during the next couple of drafts?
Didn't Hunter just have his breakout game with Fitz at QB? Hunter appears to be trending up and was a high draft pick investment by the team, so I wouldn't count him out the ROS.

 
Keenan Allen looks like he could be the next big thing. He looks great for a rookie and has a quality QB throwing him the ball. He should be the clear #1 target for the entire 2014 season. If you look from week 4 (when he first really started getting significant game targets) and project it over 16 games, he is ay 94 receptions, 1400 yards, and 6 TDs. If we are ranking young WRs, I have Allen above Hunter.

 
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Bloom loves him. That's usually enough for me. I still can't go hog wild trying to acquire him but will where I can. Mainly because I can't seem to trust his QB, Fitzpatrick. Can he emerge as a consistent fantasy weapon behind Kendall Wright? And does Nate Washington just go away? I love the Tennesee schedule going forward. But I go back to Bloom's endoresement, good enough for him, good enough for me. He's come a long way from being just a one catch per game TD specialist. Get him now if you can.
I don't listen to the Audible much during the season. How high on him is he now? Because he wasn't very high on him post or predraft as he didn't consider him a first round selection in even 14 team leagues.

 
Bloom loves him. That's usually enough for me. I still can't go hog wild trying to acquire him but will where I can. Mainly because I can't seem to trust his QB, Fitzpatrick. Can he emerge as a consistent fantasy weapon behind Kendall Wright? And does Nate Washington just go away? I love the Tennesee schedule going forward. But I go back to Bloom's endoresement, good enough for him, good enough for me. He's come a long way from being just a one catch per game TD specialist. Get him now if you can.
I don't listen to the Audible much during the season. How high on him is he now? Because he wasn't very high on him post or predraft as he didn't consider him a first round selection in even 14 team leagues.
I LOVED Hunter before his knee injury. Didn't appear to the same guy at all last year, Patterson was much more dangerous and impressive in the same Tennessee offense. Hunter had a very very slow summer. nothing but negative buzz. Last couple of weeks, pre-injury Hunter is back.

 
What's the latest on Ind CB's this week? Seems like in addition to sucking, they are really banged up. Are the Colts prone to giving up big chunk plays, which seem like Hunter's specialty?

 
Decided to take a shot as depth. He'll only play if Gordon, Djax or Andre get hurt (or start to suck in Andres case).

 
He was in on 50 snaps representing 67% of their total on offense, which I believe is a career high, and he was targeted 5 times. I didn't see much of the game. As bad as his receiving stats were, the snaps continue to increase which is a positive.

Doubt he'll survive the week on my roster though.

 

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