This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
He and some other Redskins are in town for a "beach blast". The local reporters had them in for an interview. Since Vick is a hot topic, the interview was bound to turn to that.Sorry, beach blitz.
Sorry, I am going to have to ask for a link to dogfighting being a world wide phenomenonUnfortunately Portis is spot on here. On top of that, it's not just here in the US, but pretty much world wide.Not sure what it says about us as human beings.
Bad habit for you to assume you know someones position on a different topic, soley based upon previous years football discussions...but duly noted.
Sorry msommer, no links. I'm just going on first hand experience from world travels. If you want confirmation, you'll have to look it up for yourself.Sorry, I am going to have to ask for a link to dogfighting being a world wide phenomenonUnfortunately Portis is spot on here. On top of that, it's not just here in the US, but pretty much world wide.Not sure what it says about us as human beings.
Really? I don't know that he's that accurate that dog fighting is "prevalent in life". I live in the south and I've never heard of anyone personally being involved with it. The Vick story was the first mention I can remember in a long time. I'm sure there are statistics kept by the law enforcement people and probably the Pit Bull type rescue groups. I wonder what the actual numbers are.Unfortunately Portis is spot on here. On top of that, it's not just here in the US, but pretty much world wide.
J,I live in here in the South too, Hotlanta, & it really depends on the people you know.Really? I don't know that he's that accurate that dog fighting is "prevalent in life". I live in the south and I've never heard of anyone personally being involved with it. The Vick story was the first mention I can remember in a long time. I'm sure there are statistics kept by the law enforcement people and probably the Pit Bull type rescue groups. I wonder what the actual numbers are.Unfortunately Portis is spot on here. On top of that, it's not just here in the US, but pretty much world wide.Not sure what it says about us as human beings.
J
Of course. That's why I wrote that I'd like to see the numbers. And I didn't say it wasn't prevalent. I said I don't know that Portis is accurate when he says it is. Large difference.I don't do crystal meth or have friends that do. But it's prevalent. I know people that have been personally affected by it. It's constantly on the news and in conversations and it's something you hear about.J,I live in here in the South too, Hotlanta, & it really depends on the people you know.Really? I don't know that he's that accurate that dog fighting is "prevalent in life". I live in the south and I've never heard of anyone personally being involved with it. The Vick story was the first mention I can remember in a long time. I'm sure there are statistics kept by the law enforcement people and probably the Pit Bull type rescue groups. I wonder what the actual numbers are.Unfortunately Portis is spot on here. On top of that, it's not just here in the US, but pretty much world wide.Not sure what it says about us as human beings.
J
For example, I work a white collar job & I'm sure not one of my professional acquaintances would have the first clue about where to go for a "dog fight".
But, talking with some of the adults at my youngest son's little league team who are blue collar & I could be at a "dog fight" right now.
Just because you're not personally aware of it, don't think it's not widespread or prevalent. To do so would be naive.
GotchaOf course. That's why I wrote that I'd like to see the numbers. And I didn't say it wasn't prevalent. I said I don't know that Portis is accurate when he says it is. Large difference.I don't do crystal meth or have friends that do. But it's prevalent. I know people that have been personally affected by it. It's constantly on the news and in conversations and it's something you hear about.J,I live in here in the South too, Hotlanta, & it really depends on the people you know.Really? I don't know that he's that accurate that dog fighting is "prevalent in life". I live in the south and I've never heard of anyone personally being involved with it. The Vick story was the first mention I can remember in a long time. I'm sure there are statistics kept by the law enforcement people and probably the Pit Bull type rescue groups. I wonder what the actual numbers are.Unfortunately Portis is spot on here. On top of that, it's not just here in the US, but pretty much world wide.Not sure what it says about us as human beings.
J
For example, I work a white collar job & I'm sure not one of my professional acquaintances would have the first clue about where to go for a "dog fight".
But, talking with some of the adults at my youngest son's little league team who are blue collar & I could be at a "dog fight" right now.
Just because you're not personally aware of it, don't think it's not widespread or prevalent. To do so would be naive.
Dog fighting by comparison is absolutely non existent. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
J
Tis sad but true, but the media indeed holds a large sway over what we're aware of & become passionate about.
My firsthand experience says otherwiseSorry msommer, no links. I'm just going on first hand experience from world travels. If you want confirmation, you'll have to look it up for yourself.Sorry, I am going to have to ask for a link to dogfighting being a world wide phenomenonUnfortunately Portis is spot on here. On top of that, it's not just here in the US, but pretty much world wide.Not sure what it says about us as human beings.
Wikipedia does a reasonable job with the topic.]They do fail to mention the scope of the problem. It's big in Africa and a man was recently mauled to death by fighting dogs on the lose. Australia has a huge problem. Boar Dogs are very popular and the ones who don't "get along" in the kennels or prove worthy of the hunt usually end up in the pit. Wiki only touches on the Tosa fighting in Japan, but throughout Asia dog fighting is common. Thailand even has it's own national fighting dog. In the Caspian region there's three different breeds of Ovhartka that are traditionally fought and the arguments about the best breed are intense. Russia used to have the old style Ovchartka fighting, which is really a form of selecting breeding studs, but the Euro-trash pit fighting such as we have here has taken over there.
Then I'd say your fisthand experience is fairly lacking.My firsthand experience says otherwiseSorry msommer, no links. I'm just going on first hand experience from world travels. If you want confirmation, you'll have to look it up for yourself.
Or that you are full of it.WhateverThen I'd say your fisthand experience is fairly lacking.My firsthand experience says otherwiseSorry msommer, no links. I'm just going on first hand experience from world travels. If you want confirmation, you'll have to look it up for yourself.
You know, to me it's really irrelevant whether you believe my post or not, msommer. If you want to say to to yourself "Ahhh he's just full of it & doesn't know what he's talking about" that's cool.Or that you are full of it.WhateverThen I'd say your fisthand experience is fairly lacking.My firsthand experience says otherwiseSorry msommer, no links. I'm just going on first hand experience from world travels. If you want confirmation, you'll have to look it up for yourself.
You're welcome to believe that & think that dog fighting is not a world wide problem. It's really fine man. I'm not here to preach or convert, just passing along info when I have it & it's no skin off my nose if you want to dismiss it.
My wife and daughter (and infrequently me) volunteer at a shelter. It is true that Pit/Pit mixes are the prevalent dog breed there. Never has there been evidence of prior fighting though. I think the reason why there's so many of these dogs at shelters is that the type of people that own them aren't dog lovers. They get them because they're tough looking, provide security, etc. Once they have them for a while and realize how much effort it takes, they give up on them.
I can say here in Phoenix AZ I have seen dog fighting rings in the rural area's here. Out where we used to fish the surrounding neighbors (a good portion of them too) had all kinds of rings, cages where they fought or placed dogs to fight. I have not seen the dog fights but you can hear the dogs and see all the rings out in the open. They don't do much to hide so I assume the law enforcement here (and I use that term loosely) don't seem to care. The depths of human depravity stopped shocking me years ago, but for some to assume something is not widespread cause "they don't see it or need statitics" to believe it's there is naive or just being obtuse.
This bit struck me as important:Big Score said:You know, to me it's really irrelevant whether you believe my post or not, msommer. If you want to say to to yourself "Ahhh he's just full of it & doesn't know what he's talking about" that's cool.msommer said:Or that you are full of it.WhateverBig Score said:Then I'd say your fisthand experience is fairly lacking.msommer said:My firsthand experience says otherwiseBig Score said:Sorry msommer, no links. I'm just going on first hand experience from world travels. If you want confirmation, you'll have to look it up for yourself.msommer said:You're welcome to believe that & think that dog fighting is not a world wide problem. It's really fine man. I'm not here to preach or convert, just passing along info when I have it & it's no skin off my nose if you want to dismiss it.
However, before you get too comfortable with that line of thinking, you might want to take a look at the post & link provided by Chaos Commish.
So maybe it is just in the less sophisticated corners of the world?Maybe just here and there?
msommer,You are certainly free to think dog fighting is only an isolated minimal blood sport & neither widespread, nor prevelant.This bit struck me as important:Big Score said:You know, to me it's really irrelevant whether you believe my post or not, msommer. If you want to say to to yourself "Ahhh he's just full of it & doesn't know what he's talking about" that's cool.msommer said:Or that you are full of it.WhateverBig Score said:Then I'd say your firsthand experience is fairly lacking.msommer said:My firsthand experience says otherwiseBig Score said:Sorry msommer, no links. I'm just going on first hand experience from world travels. If you want confirmation, you'll have to look it up for yourself.msommer said:
You're welcome to believe that & think that dog fighting is not a world wide problem. It's really fine man. I'm not here to preach or convert, just passing along info when I have it & it's no skin off my nose if you want to dismiss it.
However, before you get too comfortable with that line of thinking, you might want to take a look at the post & link provided by Chaos Commish.So maybe it is just in the less sophisticated corners of the world?Maybe just here and there?
Maybe just a few places
Maybe just for the pervs who get off on bloodsport?
This doesn't look like a scourge or something that happens in every back alley as you seem to want to portrait (I understand, BS, that would make it easier to explain away Vick's potential involvement if indeed proven).
If Vick is involved he shouldhave the book thrown at him, whether it is prevalent or not. Being prevalent does not make it ok.
I still say it is not prevalent and that it is disgusting.
Another good site for info on dog fighting in particular and animal abuse in general.http://www.pet-abuse.com/
I'd boycott too. Who wants to see Joey play qb.
Vick will be doing a couple of football camps here soon. I'm going to boycott them if he isn't suspended. Not that I would have gone anyway. 
Actually I might show up with a protest sign to get some face time on the news. Any ideas? How about "Put Vick in the ring, not on the field"?
The obvious difference is that humans who participate in boxing or mixed martial art matches, are sentinent beings who are making a voluntary choice to do so.That is not the case with dog fighting.
I wouldn't be surprised if an unusual percentage of Falcon fans think dog fighting isn't a big deal.
We'll see. There's so much sensationalized nonsense from so many different points of view that it would be great to force this topic into the national conversation and completely expose it. I have lost faith in our ability to productively have that kind of collective conversation though. We americans believe what we want, right or wrong, deny contrary evidence as poloiticized rubbish, and contribute to the BS far more than clean it up. This topic would be no different.
Dude, Not pooh pooh' ing anything. Prevalent=common. You were saying that dogfighting is a common problem all over the world. I'm saying it is not.msommer,
You are certainly free to think dog fighting is only an isolated minimal blood sport & neither widespread, nor prevelant.
Unfortunately for these animals, there's lots of people who think the same as you do. Well, it's not really that people "think" that, it's more that people are simply ignorant as to just how big of a problem & widespread it truly is. I think this is probably a case of the ostrich syndrome, where people just don't "want" to know about it, or believe it, as it is so disgusting & repugnant to the majority of us.
This same pattern of people refusing to believe that horrible & repugnant events are happening, is nothing new. Despite reports of the systematic liquidation of the European Jews during WWII, it was completely dismissed as only wild exaggerations.
Of course that changed once the Allies began liberating the actual Nazi Death Camps.
The reports of atrocities by Pol Pot & the Khmer Rouge were downplayed. Then Pol Pot's regime collapsed & the Killing Fields were discovered.
The list goes on.
For lots of people, ignorance is bliss.
But again, no skin off my nose if you choose to downplay & pooh pooh organized dog fighting as being neither widespread nor prevalent.
I don't think any less of you for it.
As to Vick's involvement (or anyone else for that matter)?
I think it's sick & is not something I condone.
Big Score said:
Really? You don't see the difference between people fighting to the death with knives (dog teeth can do as much damage as a knife) for the right to have their next meal and boxing? Interesting.
Again, I completely respect your right to believe whatever you want.Dude, Not pooh pooh' ing anything. Prevalent=common. You were saying that dogfighting is a common problem all over the world. I'm saying it is not.msommer,
You are certainly free to think dog fighting is only an isolated minimal blood sport & neither widespread, nor prevelant.
Unfortunately for these animals, there's lots of people who think the same as you do. Well, it's not really that people "think" that, it's more that people are simply ignorant as to just how big of a problem & widespread it truly is. I think this is probably a case of the ostrich syndrome, where people just don't "want" to know about it, or believe it, as it is so disgusting & repugnant to the majority of us.
This same pattern of people refusing to believe that horrible & repugnant events are happening, is nothing new. Despite reports of the systematic liquidation of the European Jews during WWII, it was completely dismissed as only wild exaggerations.
Of course that changed once the Allies began liberating the actual Nazi Death Camps.
The reports of atrocities by Pol Pot & the Khmer Rouge were downplayed. Then Pol Pot's regime collapsed & the Killing Fields were discovered.
The list goes on.
For lots of people, ignorance is bliss.
But again, no skin off my nose if you choose to downplay & pooh pooh organized dog fighting as being neither widespread nor prevalent.
I don't think any less of you for it.
As to Vick's involvement (or anyone else for that matter)?
I think it's sick & is not something I condone.
If you thought I was comparing human genocide to dog fighting, then you're right, it was way over the top.That people prefer not to believe such repugnant & horrific things actually occur, or are prevelant, until they're beaten over the head with undeniable & overwhelming evidence that it is occuring & is prevelant, is nothing new.
are you serious?? How can you even think these things are close? Maybe if you were forced into a ring against your will to fight to the death you would have a point
do not see how you compare dog fighting to boxing and martial Art. they are not even close to being the same.
To the extent any sense can be made from your response,
Racist.
Any inner city is probably your best bet. wurd. In fact just take the first you see there - they probably wouldn't even notice it's missing (unless it's a fight night).
Schnieke's statement: dog fighting = boxing (or "mixed martial arts")Fact: dog fighting = forcing homeless people to fight to the death for a hot mealTo the extent any sense can be made from your response,
We actually toss real men's into the ring to fight for money , so whats trhe big deal about dogs .
Those morons that fight in those octogonal rings ( I dont know exactly how you call it , i think it s ultimate fighting ) they are allowed evry shot possible ( Knees , Elbows, butt heads ) if they would not fight for a living ( To eat ) they would be homeless , they are probably less smarts then the dogs .So what s the difference.Schnieke's statement: dog fighting = boxing (or "mixed martial arts")Fact: dog fighting = forcing homeless people to fight to the death for a hot mealTo the extent any sense can be made from your response,
Implication: Schnieke's is falsely mistaking boxing for forcing homeless people to fight to the death for a hot meal
I didn't think it was possible for someone to be this stupid. I sure hope you're fishing.Those morons that fight in those octogonal rings ( I dont know exactly how you call it ) they are allowed evry shot possible ( Knees , Elbows, butt heads ) if they would not fight for a living ( To eat ) they would be homeless , they are probably less smarts then the dogs .So what s the difference.Schnieke's statement: dog fighting = boxing (or "mixed martial arts")Fact: dog fighting = forcing homeless people to fight to the death for a hot mealTo the extent any sense can be made from your response,
Implication: Schnieke's is falsely mistaking boxing for forcing homeless people to fight to the death for a hot meal
I would call that an outright lie, however in some primitive parts of the world there might still exist someplace where slaves are thrown into a ring to fight, like Gladiators.So I can't call it an outright lie, its a HUGE misleading overstatement. Nobody ....... that is " We " tosses anyone into a ring to fight for money. That just don't happen.
