K-9 Vick out for the year? (1 Viewer)

[Chaos Commish]

Whether it is prevalent, common or rare seems to me to be completely irrelevant. It is awful and wrong.

Correct. I dropped this vein of the thread because it belongs in the FFA, and the underground secretive nature of the fight biz makes a "prevalence" discussion unruly for the educated and possibly foolish for others. I think you're too optimistic about Goodell, but I hope you're right. I'd like to see Vick given an extended vacation for simply owning the property and claiming to be ignorant of the dog operation. If he's lying, he's a felon whether convicted or not. If he's being honest, his irresponsible stewardship of his personal affairs is still worthy of a suspension in this new world of high expectations. And sure, give Portis a week off for being verbally irresponsible too. This type of punishment, while highly unlikely and controversial, just might bring the greater topic of dog fighting to the front page. That would be a good thing.

 

[3C's]

Guess I didn't expect much (maybe getting the AG involved), but:

"A meeting in Surry Co. today amongst authorities involved in the dog-fighting investigation associated with Michael Vick has ended with no new information being released."

 

[Traders2001]

Never been to a dog fight. Never want to. Think it is disgusting.

All that said, how is it SO different from things like professional boxing or even closer the "mixed martial arts"?

If PEOPLE get into a ring and beat each other senseless, it's a totally cool sport. If dogs do it, it's cruel, inhumane etc (which again, I AGREE with). The only differences I see is that death is probably more common at a dog fight, and there is more blood because of teeth. But those things are a matter of degree, not really a qualitative difference.

Really? You don't see the difference between people fighting to the death with knives (dog teeth can do as much damage as a knife) for the right to have their next meal and boxing? Interesting.

To the extent any sense can be made from your response,

Schnieke's statement: dog fighting = boxing (or "mixed martial arts")Fact: dog fighting = forcing homeless people to fight to the death for a hot meal

Implication: Schnieke's is falsely mistaking boxing for forcing homeless people to fight to the death for a hot meal

Those morons that fight in those octogonal rings ( I dont know exactly how you call it ) they are allowed evry shot possible ( Knees , Elbows, butt heads ) if they would not fight for a living ( To eat ) they would be homeless , they are probably less smarts then the dogs .So what s the difference.

I didn't think it was possible for someone to be this stupid. I sure hope you're fishing.

A little but those ultimate fighter are really mens without a fk brain and my dog is most probably smarter then those guys , on the rest i was fishing a bit .

 

[Traders2001]

If this turns out as badly for Vick as it currently appears (i.e. he is involved or had knowledge of it etc.), Vickk is going to get a hefty suspension and I wouldn't be surprised if Portis got a one game suspension for his comments. I think Goodell is going come down like a ton of bricks on this one if it proves true.

You know what it s been going on for weeks already and nothing TRUE came out , so nothing is going to happen this is simply air .

 

[Big Score]

I think Goodell is going come down like a ton of bricks on this one if it proves true.

If it's true, Vick will be cooling his jets in the pokey for awhile. Goodell will have to wait his turn to come down like a ton of bricks.

 

[spec1alk]

I am pretty confident that even if Vick is found to not be involved there will be some kind of repercussion from Goodell.

What did Herm Edwards say? He never knew a guy who got in trouble at night because he was at home sleeping. Something like that. 1 incident, ok thats just chance. 2 incidents could be coincidental, but now I am watching you. 3 incidents and you have a propensity for being around trouble.

 

[Da Guru]

So getting back on point lets try and talk about this.1. I can't believe how this is dominating the air time. ESPN has really not let this story sort of slide or die...seems like it is getting a lot of air time. I can't remember Pacman getting this much air time when he was under investigation and before Goodell weighed in on him.2. If Vick is found to be liable in any way or if he is linked to this dogfight mess, I can't see how he will not be suspended by the league. he had a picture taken of him on a myspace account smoking a blunt, the airport incident with the water bottle, the Ron Mexico fiasco...I don't see how he doesn't get at least a 2-4 game suspension.3. If he misses time who is the QB? Joey Harrington? How good is that Schaub trade looking right now? Seriously!I only really care in terms of FF, I am not surprised Vick would be linked to dogfighting...sorry but when he had the whole ROn Mexico fiasco you knew he was pretty much a lowlife at that point. He seems like the type of guy that might not instigate trouble but he doesn't exactly run to the phone booth and call 911 to come and help out either. He seems like the type of person that will watch his neighbors house shoot up in flames, stand back and say, "Damn Dog, look at that over there." My point is actually there are lots of people unfortunately that have this trait and share it with Vick. If Vick misses significant time, what happens to the rest of the offense in Atlanta? Because we have seen Joey Harrington and its really not a good situation if he takes the field.

I agree. The "Herpes" incident showed what kind of person vick is. Who would do that?

 

[zadok]

(KFFL) Steve Wyche, of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, reports three envelopes addressed to M. Vick were seized under the authority of a search warrant executed on the Virginia property owned by Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick, according to documents obtained by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. The documents obtained did not indicate if anything was included in the envelopes. Also seized was a 3-ring binder containing contracts.

 

[3C's]

I think Goodell is going come down like a ton of bricks on this one if it proves true.

If it's true, Vick will be cooling his jets in the pokey for awhile. Goodell will have to wait his turn to come down like a ton of bricks.

I have no doubt it's true. I do have doubts that they have evidence to convict him.

 

[renesauz]

Local news this morning (In Hampton Roads) was reporting that officers involved in the case told reporters (off the record of course) that they had evidence that placed Vick not only at the fights, but as an active participant in the dog-fights.

I would have posted this earlier today but had no chance to look in here until now. From the sounds of the news report, there was enough evidance, and witnesses, to charge Vick if the prosecuter wishes to.

 

[perry147]

(KFFL) Steve Wyche, of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, reports three envelopes addressed to M. Vick were seized under the authority of a search warrant executed on the Virginia property owned by Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick, according to documents obtained by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. The documents obtained did not indicate if anything was included in the envelopes. Also seized was a 3-ring binder containing contracts.

What if Vick owned lets say 100 dogs but only 50 of them are accounted for?So Vick what happened to the other 50?

 

[redman]

As a Redskins fan, let me just say that Portis = on this.

I don't know what he was thinking (I've suspected he's friends with Vick and was trying to defend his friend) but if he truly believes that dog fighting is ok under any circumstances, then I've lost a lot of respect for him. That hurts because I've really enjoyed Portis and his lighthearted nature off the field, and his competitive nature on the field.

I just can't respect any man that abuses women, children or animals, and anyone who defends someone who does that isn't much different in my eyes.

 

[beergut]

As a Redskins fan, let me just say that Portis = on this. I don't know what he was thinking (I've suspected he's friends with Vick and was trying to defend his friend) but if he truly believes that dog fighting is ok under any circumstances, then I've lost a lot of respect for him. That hurts because I've really enjoyed Portis and his lighthearted nature off the field, and his competitive nature on the field. I just can't respect any man that abuses women, children or animals, and anyone who defends someone who does that isn't much different in my eyes.

Agreed.Well said!

 

[Chaos Commish]

Vick case shines light on bloodspport

This is the kind of thing I am hoping for:

The investigation into alleged dog fighting at the former Virginia home owned by Falcons quarterback Michael Vick could shine a cleansing light onto the ugly bloodsport.

"Any high-profile case that results in exposure or arrest sends a signal to others that they are playing with fire will help," said Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of the Humane Society of the United States. "There's no type of animal cruelty that comes with harsher penalties than organized dog fighting. It's a felony in 48 states and a federal felony.

"Hopefully, an unfortunate case like this with Vick brings attention and gets into the minds of those involved and causes them to say, 'Hey, I need to think about whether this is something I want to continue being a part of.'"

Could it be any more high profile than Michael Vick?

.... snip...

Unfortunately, it's prevalent, said Pacelle.

"Tens of thousands of people are involved in pit bull fighting," he said. "It's glorified in rap, it's celebrated by athletes. The same impulses that caused people in the days of the Roman Empire to go to The Coliseum to see staged fights between lions and bears are in this. There is something that appeals to a segment of people in terms of bloodlust."

Former NFL players Nate Newton, Leshon Johnson and Tyrone Wheatley as well as Qyntel Woods, a first-round pick of the Portland Trail Blazers in 2002, have all been linked to dog fighting. Both Johnson and Woods were arrested and convicted of staging them.

There is not one, simple profile that fits all those who participate in dog fighting, said Pacelle.

"There is an enormous underground industry operating in almost every community in the country -- urban, suburban and rural," he said.

While the most serious dog fighters are involved in breeding and maintaining bloodlines and may fight their dogs nationally or even internationally, the most primitive groups are "street fighters; more involved with urban culture," Pacelle said.

The alleged operation at Vick's former Virginia home seemed to fall in the middle. Sixty-six animals were found on his property, many bearing the scars of organized dog fighting.

... snip....

"What are the chances we've found even 10 percent of (the pro athletes) involved," wondered Corbin. "Highly unlikely."

"If this is an indicator of a subculture of pro sports, which we think it is," said Pacelle, "the leaders of the pro sports leagues need to work with us or others to get the message out."

 

[BigRed]

If this turns out as badly for Vick as it currently appears (i.e. he is involved or had knowledge of it etc.), Vickk is going to get a hefty suspension and

Yeah. Maybe as much as 3 or 4 whole games!!

I wouldn't be surprised if Portis got a one game suspension for his comments.

I'd be shocked. Goodell might be tougher than Tagliaboob, but that's kinda like being tougher than Pee Wee Herman. And if going out of your way to prove you're a moron by opening your big mouth is suspension material, the NFL is doomed. Which frankly would probably be just as well IMO.

I think Goodell is going come down like a ton of bricks on this one if it proves true.

I think lol, unless you consider a suspension "coming down like a ton of bricks."PS I don't get how the relevance how "common" dog fighting is or isn't, other than just a thinking-out-loud curiousity. It has no bearing on this.

 

[2stix]

The Feds ARE on the case now, and charges are coming in weeks.

http://www.wvec.com/news/local/stories/wve...g.8f33ea35.html

 

[fatness]

http://www.wvec.com/news/local/stories/wve...g.8f33ea35.html

For the lazy:

Surry County Sheriff Harold Brown confirms to 13News that Michael Vick’s name came up in the behind-closed-doors discussion on suspected dog fighting at Vick's now former home in Surry County.

Brown also confirmed that, after reviewing the evidence gathered so far, Vick has not cleared but that also Vick has not been charged.

Meantime, Brown announced that federal authorites are now involved the investigation and that he expects charges to be filed in a matter of weeks, but he would not say against whom.

An investigator with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, who also is representing the U.S. Office of Inspector General, met for two hours with local authorities and Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald Poindexter.

It was first time Poindexter had met with investigators to review evidence in the case. He'll decide whether to level charges against Vick and up to 10 other people potentially involved in what investigators describe a major dogfighting operation.

Poindexter would not say what he learned from the meeting.

“I’ve told you before that I don’t believe in trying cases in the press and I find that despicable, okay? And that’s enough,” Poindexter said

Last week, investigators told 13 News they have evidence that "absolutely" links Vick to dogfighting.

The case began in late April, when police, on a drug investigation, raided the house and found about 60 dogs and items associated with dog fighting.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

As a Redskins fan, let me just say that Portis = on this. I don't know what he was thinking (I've suspected he's friends with Vick and was trying to defend his friend) but if he truly believes that dog fighting is ok under any circumstances, then I've lost a lot of respect for him. That hurts because I've really enjoyed Portis and his lighthearted nature off the field, and his competitive nature on the field. I just can't respect any man that abuses women, children or animals, and anyone who defends someone who does that isn't much different in my eyes.

ACLU down?

 

[3C's]

If this turns out as badly for Vick as it currently appears (i.e. he is involved or had knowledge of it etc.), Vickk is going to get a hefty suspension and

Yeah. Maybe as much as 3 or 4 whole games!! :(

I wouldn't be surprised if Portis got a one game suspension for his comments.

I'd be shocked. Goodell might be tougher than Tagliaboob, but that's kinda like being tougher than Pee Wee Herman. And if going out of your way to prove you're a moron by opening your big mouth is suspension material, the NFL is doomed. Which frankly would probably be just as well IMO.

I think Goodell is going come down like a ton of bricks on this one if it proves true.

I think lol, unless you consider a suspension "coming down like a ton of bricks."PS I don't get how the relevance how "common" dog fighting is or isn't, other than just a thinking-out-loud curiousity. It has no bearing on this.

If he's been involved and if they have enough evidence to get a conviction, I think he'll get more than 3 or 4 games due to the seriousness of the crime and his past transgressions. Of course, that may not matter since he could see a good amount of jail time. 5 years in prison is possible.I don't think Portis will get anything for being an idiot. Maybe a talking to.

 

[redman]

As a Redskins fan, let me just say that Portis = on this. I don't know what he was thinking (I've suspected he's friends with Vick and was trying to defend his friend) but if he truly believes that dog fighting is ok under any circumstances, then I've lost a lot of respect for him. That hurts because I've really enjoyed Portis and his lighthearted nature off the field, and his competitive nature on the field. I just can't respect any man that abuses women, children or animals, and anyone who defends someone who does that isn't much different in my eyes.

ACLU down?

Hopefully.

 

[Traders2001]

http://www.wvec.com/news/local/stories/wve...g.8f33ea35.html

For the lazy:

Surry County Sheriff Harold Brown confirms to 13News that Michael Vick’s name came up in the behind-closed-doors discussion on suspected dog fighting at Vick's now former home in Surry County.

Brown also confirmed that, after reviewing the evidence gathered so far, Vick has not cleared but that also Vick has not been charged.

Meantime, Brown announced that federal authorites are now involved the investigation and that he expects charges to be filed in a matter of weeks, but he would not say against whom.

An investigator with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, who also is representing the U.S. Office of Inspector General, met for two hours with local authorities and Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald Poindexter.

It was first time Poindexter had met with investigators to review evidence in the case. He'll decide whether to level charges against Vick and up to 10 other people potentially involved in what investigators describe a major dogfighting operation.

Poindexter would not say what he learned from the meeting.

“I’ve told you before that I don’t believe in trying cases in the press and I find that despicable, okay? And that’s enough,” Poindexter said

Last week, investigators told 13 News they have evidence that "absolutely" links Vick to dogfighting.

The case began in late April, when police, on a drug investigation, raided the house and found about 60 dogs and items associated with dog fighting.

It means they have nothing vs Vick .

 

[3C's]

http://www.wvec.com/news/local/stories/wve...g.8f33ea35.html

For the lazy:

Surry County Sheriff Harold Brown confirms to 13News that Michael Vick’s name came up in the behind-closed-doors discussion on suspected dog fighting at Vick's now former home in Surry County.

Brown also confirmed that, after reviewing the evidence gathered so far, Vick has not cleared but that also Vick has not been charged.

Meantime, Brown announced that federal authorites are now involved the investigation and that he expects charges to be filed in a matter of weeks, but he would not say against whom.

An investigator with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, who also is representing the U.S. Office of Inspector General, met for two hours with local authorities and Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald Poindexter.

It was first time Poindexter had met with investigators to review evidence in the case. He'll decide whether to level charges against Vick and up to 10 other people potentially involved in what investigators describe a major dogfighting operation.

Poindexter would not say what he learned from the meeting.

“I’ve told you before that I don’t believe in trying cases in the press and I find that despicable, okay? And that’s enough,” Poindexter said

Last week, investigators told 13 News they have evidence that "absolutely" links Vick to dogfighting.

The case began in late April, when police, on a drug investigation, raided the house and found about 60 dogs and items associated with dog fighting.

It means they have nothing vs Vick .

Not. Even. Close.

 

[renesauz]

http://www.wvec.com/news/local/stories/wve...g.8f33ea35.html

For the lazy:

Surry County Sheriff Harold Brown confirms to 13News that Michael Vick’s name came up in the behind-closed-doors discussion on suspected dog fighting at Vick's now former home in Surry County.

Brown also confirmed that, after reviewing the evidence gathered so far, Vick has not cleared but that also Vick has not been charged.

Meantime, Brown announced that federal authorites are now involved the investigation and that he expects charges to be filed in a matter of weeks, but he would not say against whom.

An investigator with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, who also is representing the U.S. Office of Inspector General, met for two hours with local authorities and Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald Poindexter.

It was first time Poindexter had met with investigators to review evidence in the case. He'll decide whether to level charges against Vick and up to 10 other people potentially involved in what investigators describe a major dogfighting operation.

Poindexter would not say what he learned from the meeting.

“I’ve told you before that I don’t believe in trying cases in the press and I find that despicable, okay? And that’s enough,” Poindexter said

Last week, investigators told 13 News they have evidence that "absolutely" links Vick to dogfighting.

The case began in late April, when police, on a drug investigation, raided the house and found about 60 dogs and items associated with dog fighting.

It means they have nothing vs Vick .

Not. Even. Close.

Funny...I read it to mean...Hey if this were a normal Joe, we'd arrest and charge him, but since he's a superstar athlete with pockets deep enough for the very best lawyers, we're taking our time to make absolutely sure that if we do charge him, it's airtight. And part of that means as close to a media silence as is possible.

 

[delusional]

The guy is guilty face it.

You have a former teammate say he knows about it then saves face by saying he didn't say it BUT if he was guilty he wouldnt snitch.

These "sources" won't testify. If you remember, this was part of a drug invasion. Heavy dog fighting and moving alot of drugs is common down in this area. No one will risk their life to come forward, easy as that.

The guy has money out the ###, you know how easy it is to people regular ghetto people & even city officals? pretty damn easy especially if you have the resources Vick does.

The guy is a piece of ####. Amazing how some of these ####s graduate from college.

 

[thayman]

As a Redskins fan, let me just say that Portis = on this. I don't know what he was thinking (I've suspected he's friends with Vick and was trying to defend his friend) but if he truly believes that dog fighting is ok under any circumstances, then I've lost a lot of respect for him. That hurts because I've really enjoyed Portis and his lighthearted nature off the field, and his competitive nature on the field. I just can't respect any man that abuses women, children or animals, and anyone who defends someone who does that isn't much different in my eyes.

it makes me :( but

 

[3C's]

As a Redskins fan, let me just say that Portis = on this. I don't know what he was thinking (I've suspected he's friends with Vick and was trying to defend his friend) but if he truly believes that dog fighting is ok under any circumstances, then I've lost a lot of respect for him. That hurts because I've really enjoyed Portis and his lighthearted nature off the field, and his competitive nature on the field. I just can't respect any man that abuses women, children or animals, and anyone who defends someone who does that isn't much different in my eyes.

it makes me but

Portis is backpedaling now:A Washington Redskins player released a statement Monday night clarifying comments he made to WAVY-TV Friday about dogfighting and Vick.Last week- Clinton Portis told WAVY, "I don't know if he [Vick] was fighting dogs or not, but it's his property, it's his dogs. If that's what he wants to do, do it."In Monday night's statement, Portis said, "In the recent interview I gave concerning dog fighting, I want to make it clear I do not take part in dog fighting or condone dog fighting in any manner."

 

[3C's]

How about these latest comments from Vick: Link to video

Paraphrased: "No matter where I go, people still support Mike Vick. No matter what I go through. It's all good."

 

[FinHead]

- Marking my place

He breeds the same kinds of dogs, it was a huge well-financed operation, and it was on his property.

I don't see how Vick couldn't be a big part of this. I think his money will find a way to keep him out of jail.

The guy is a scumbag and I just lost any respect I had for that thug.

 

[Tillmanisahero]

Never been to a dog fight. Never want to. Think it is disgusting.

All that said, how is it SO different from things like professional boxing or even closer the "mixed martial arts"?

Wow...you really need to do some research into dog fighting. How is it different, the boxer gets paid to fight, he chooses to fight. Dogs are genetically exploited to fight to the death. The fights are horrific. Their flesh is ripped from their bodies, bones are broken, eyes are crushed, lips torn off etc....... Many dogs are left cripples physically and mentally. They never know the affection and care a regular dog knows, they live a hard and very abusive life. Comparing Boxing to Dog Fighting like comparing arm wrestling to jungle warfare. That is just talking about the dogs who actually fight, that does not include the dogs that are used for puppy factories or dogs who "Cur out" and are killed on the spot. There are more, victims the animals that they use to train the fighting dogs Cats, small dogs and bigger dogs that are "weak". Many animals are torn apart because they are used as "Bait" dogs.

Wait...there are more victims....How about the children of the dogfighters? There are studies that show that children exposed to dog fighting suffer the same problems as children exposed to domestic abuse and neglect. Many of the children suffer post traumatic syndrome and problems with empathy all ingredients for creating another sociopath just like dear ol' dad .

Most people can't imagine the horrors of Dog fighting, if they could most wouldn't ignore this dirty little secret.

Think I am exaggerating? http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Pit+BUll+abuse

 

[Tillmanisahero]

How about these latest comments from Vick: Link to video

Paraphrased: "No matter where I go, people still support Mike Vick. No matter what I go through. It's all good."

Yeah just like they supported Mike Tyson after he raped someone.

 

[redman]

Never been to a dog fight. Never want to. Think it is disgusting.

All that said, how is it SO different from things like professional boxing or even closer the "mixed martial arts"?

Wow...you really need to do some research into dog fighting. How is it different, the boxer gets paid to fight, he chooses to fight. Dogs are genetically exploited to fight to the death. The fights are horrific. Their flesh is ripped from their bodies, bones are broken, eyes are crushed, lips torn off etc....... Many dogs are left cripples physically and mentally. They never know the affection and care a regular dog knows, they live a hard and very abusive life. Comparing Boxing to Dog Fighting like comparing arm wrestling to jungle warfare. That is just talking about the dogs who actually fight, that does not include the dogs that are used for puppy factories or dogs who "Cur out" and are killed on the spot. There are more, victims the animals that they use to train the fighting dogs Cats, small dogs and bigger dogs that are "weak". Many animals are torn apart because they are used as "Bait" dogs.

Wait...there are more victims....How about the children of the dogfighters? There are studies that show that children exposed to dog fighting suffer the same problems as children exposed to domestic abuse and neglect. Many of the children suffer post traumatic syndrome and problems with empathy all ingredients for creating another sociopath just like dear ol' dad .

Most people can't imagine the horrors of Dog fighting, if they could most wouldn't ignore this dirty little secret.

Think I am exaggerating? http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Pit+BUll+abuse

 

[redman]

How about these latest comments from Vick: Link to video

Paraphrased: "No matter where I go, people still support Mike Vick. No matter what I go through. It's all good."

I think so little at this point that I pretty much hope he's found guilty so that he'll learn the hard lesson he clearly needs.

 

[Big Score]

PS I don't get how the relevance how "common" dog fighting is or isn't, other than just a thinking-out-loud curiousity. It has no bearing on this.

You're right BR, it doesn't have any direct bearing to Vick.However, we've got people right here on this very board, who are under the impression that dog fighting is a fairly rare occurence & isolated to the US. If there's people who think that way here, you know the rest of our society is equally oblivious to the severity of this problem.

So, indirectly, if the only good thing to come out of all of this, is that it opens peoples eyes to just how serious, prevelant & widespread of a problem dog fighting really is, I can only see that as a positive.

Really more suitable for the Tailgate, but hey, if the opportunity to maybe do some good & educate some folks presents itself, why not take advantage?

 

[Mpudi]

How about these latest comments from Vick: Link to video

Paraphrased: "No matter where I go, people still support Mike Vick. No matter what I go through. It's all good."

Reporter: "Do you think you'll be exonerated?"Vick: "No comment."

I'm guessing ol' Mike has no clue what "exonerated" means.

 

[fatness]

Link

Ernest Hardy, 56, is the closest neighbor to Vick's former property. Hardy has lived in his double-wide trailer there since 1973. "I have a natural gift for observing things," Hardy said, "and I haven't seen or heard any evidence of dogfighting. If it had been going on, it seems like I should have heard something.

"I might be totally dumb on this and missed it, but I thought he was just a lover of dogs. I mean, those dogs were living better than some people."

Vick has said that he rarely spend time on the property, telling the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "I'm never at the house."

"I've talked to (Vick) on his back porch," Hardy said. "He's saying he's never there. I'm not saying he's lying, but saying he's never there makes him look suspicious.

"But it's not like he's there all the time. If he had the property six years, he might have spent the equivalent of two weeks there."

 

[Cookiemonster]

As a Redskins fan, let me just say that Portis = on this. I don't know what he was thinking (I've suspected he's friends with Vick and was trying to defend his friend) but if he truly believes that dog fighting is ok under any circumstances, then I've lost a lot of respect for him. That hurts because I've really enjoyed Portis and his lighthearted nature off the field, and his competitive nature on the field. I just can't respect any man that abuses women, children or animals, and anyone who defends someone who does that isn't much different in my eyes.

it makes me but

Portis is backpedaling now:A Washington Redskins player released a statement Monday night clarifying comments he made to WAVY-TV Friday about dogfighting and Vick.Last week- Clinton Portis told WAVY, "I don't know if he [Vick] was fighting dogs or not, but it's his property, it's his dogs. If that's what he wants to do, do it."In Monday night's statement, Portis said, "In the recent interview I gave concerning dog fighting, I want to make it clear I do not take part in dog fighting or condone dog fighting in any manner."

Portis offended me as well w/ his comments, but a day later I've toned down to - he's ignorant of the matter, Vick's personal life and isn't willing to pass judgement on it. I'm hoping he just non-chalantly stated it in the worst possible way by speaking without thinking. If he's willing to give Mike the benefit of the doubt, I can do the same for Portis. Although, the way he embraces press conferences and the such, I don't see how he can say something so stupid, even by accident.

 

[Big Score]

I think Goodell is going come down like a ton of bricks on this one if it proves true.

If it's true, Vick will be cooling his jets in the pokey for awhile. Goodell will have to wait his turn to come down like a ton of bricks.

I have no doubt it's true. I do have doubts that they have evidence to convict him.

The Feds are on it now. I'm 99.9% certain the Feds have the power to grant immunity to all the witnesses who can place Vick at organized fights, but are currently reluctant to testify, as their testimony would end up incriminating them selves.I'm also willing to bet if any "tapes" showing Vick at dog fights actually exist (an anonymous source tipped Kathy Strouse about them), the Feds will find them.Regardless of the existence of the "tapes", eye witness testimony phyiscally placing Vick at dog fights, will make this a slam dunk case & easy conviction.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Link

Ernest Hardy, 56, is the closest neighbor to Vick's former property. Hardy has lived in his double-wide trailer there since 1973. "I have a natural gift for observing things," Hardy said, "and I haven't seen or heard any evidence of dogfighting. If it had been going on, it seems like I should have heard something.

"I might be totally dumb on this and missed it, but I thought he was just a lover of dogs. I mean, those dogs were living better than some people."

Vick has said that he rarely spend time on the property, telling the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "I'm never at the house."

"I've talked to (Vick) on his back porch," Hardy said. "He's saying he's never there. I'm not saying he's lying, but saying he's never there makes him look suspicious.

"But it's not like he's there all the time. If he had the property six years, he might have spent the equivalent of two weeks there."

The first "named" source we have seems to back up Vick's claim of rarely being there (being there 14 total days in 6 years is basically not ever being there) and didn't ever notice anything odd going on.VICK IS INNOCENT OF ALL CHARGES. I hope his lawyers can find a way to sue for slander.

 

[mad sweeney]

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Ernest Hardy, 56, is the closest neighbor to Vick's former property. Hardy has lived in his double-wide trailer there since 1973. "I have a natural gift for observing things," Hardy said, "and I haven't seen or heard any evidence of dogfighting. If it had been going on, it seems like I should have heard something.

"I might be totally dumb on this and missed it, but I thought he was just a lover of dogs. I mean, those dogs were living better than some people."

Vick has said that he rarely spend time on the property, telling the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "I'm never at the house."

"I've talked to (Vick) on his back porch," Hardy said. "He's saying he's never there. I'm not saying he's lying, but saying he's never there makes him look suspicious.

"But it's not like he's there all the time. If he had the property six years, he might have spent the equivalent of two weeks there."

The first "named" source we have seems to back up Vick's claim of rarely being there (being there 14 total days in 6 years is basically not ever being there) and didn't ever notice anything odd going on.VICK IS INNOCENT OF ALL CHARGES. I hope his lawyers can find a way to sue for slander.

Sue who? I haven't seen anyone other than on this board make any claims about Vick. And I am not sure I would believe Huckleberry the Alibi Reinforcing Neighbor. If he's lived in a doublewide for almost my entire life I'd be willing to bet that 10K straight cash homie would buy a lot of corroborating statements. Not implying that would happen, but it's a convenient situation and should be taken with as much salt as any of the statements that are damaging to Vick.

I have seen/heard articles that place him at fights, that there was mail addressed to Vick in the house, that Poindexter "assumes" that Vick has to have some kind of involvement, that tapes and/or video link him, retracted statements from former teammates and so on...vs one neighbor that says he ain't never there.

I personally like to wait until evidence or charges are presented to make a judgement. i absolutely do NOT believe that all of the eveidence and/or witnesses that the authorities have gathered has been sent out to the public so all our conjecture is basically pointless, or at least predicated on incomplete info. But I have a very hard idea that someone with so much interst in fighting breeds of dogs has absolutely no knowledge or involvement in dog fighting, if it was indeed present (which we don't know for sure yet, but the feds know). And very little of the info coming out since has worked in Vick's favor. Including the quick sale of the house for half the market price. Legit or not, it's another damning piece of circumstantial evidence.

Any word on the actual drug raid? The real reason for the raid seems to have been glossed over in all the hoopla about dog fighting. And if Vick is involved with the dog fighting what about a possible connectin to the drug interest?

 

[kylechoffman]

Can we resurrect the Ron Mexico Discussions?

 

[Phurfur]

As a Redskins fan, let me just say that Portis = on this.

I don't know what he was thinking (I've suspected he's friends with Vick and was trying to defend his friend) but if he truly believes that dog fighting is ok under any circumstances, then I've lost a lot of respect for him. That hurts because I've really enjoyed Portis and his lighthearted nature off the field, and his competitive nature on the field.

I just can't respect any man that abuses women, children or animals, and anyone who defends someone who does that isn't much different in my eyes.

So abusing another man is OK?????

 

[3C's]

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Ernest Hardy, 56, is the closest neighbor to Vick's former property. Hardy has lived in his double-wide trailer there since 1973. "I have a natural gift for observing things," Hardy said, "and I haven't seen or heard any evidence of dogfighting. If it had been going on, it seems like I should have heard something.

"I might be totally dumb on this and missed it, but I thought he was just a lover of dogs. I mean, those dogs were living better than some people."

Vick has said that he rarely spend time on the property, telling the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "I'm never at the house."

"I've talked to (Vick) on his back porch," Hardy said. "He's saying he's never there. I'm not saying he's lying, but saying he's never there makes him look suspicious.

"But it's not like he's there all the time. If he had the property six years, he might have spent the equivalent of two weeks there."

The first "named" source we have seems to back up Vick's claim of rarely being there (being there 14 total days in 6 years is basically not ever being there) and didn't ever notice anything odd going on.VICK IS INNOCENT OF ALL CHARGES. I hope his lawyers can find a way to sue for slander.

Obviously, you're fishing. I have no idea why, but I'll reply. Vick first claimed he's never there. So the neighbor who said he's seen him there seems to contradict that statement. As far as "it's not like he's there all the time", well, of course not. He has to spend some time down in Atlanta. Even my neighbors have no idea when I'm home unless I'm outside doing work. Convenience store owner said he's often there buying stuff. They may not have released his/her name, but that's just as good of a source as the neighbor.

 

[2stix]

The first "named" source we have seems to back up Vick's claim of rarely being there (being there 14 total days in 6 years is basically not ever being there) and didn't ever notice anything odd going on.VICK IS INNOCENT OF ALL CHARGES. I hope his lawyers can find a way to sue for slander.

Quit being in denial and get ready for a year off the message boards.

 

[aardball44]

(KFFL) Steve Wyche, of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, reports three envelopes addressed to M. Vick were seized under the authority of a search warrant executed on the Virginia property owned by Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick, according to documents obtained by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. The documents obtained did not indicate if anything was included in the envelopes. Also seized was a 3-ring binder containing contracts.

What if Vick owned lets say 100 dogs but only 50 of them are accounted for?So Vick what happened to the other 50?

It's a dog-eat-dog world...

 

[Joe Bryant]

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Ernest Hardy, 56, is the closest neighbor to Vick's former property. Hardy has lived in his double-wide trailer there since 1973. "I have a natural gift for observing things," Hardy said, "and I haven't seen or heard any evidence of dogfighting. If it had been going on, it seems like I should have heard something.

"I might be totally dumb on this and missed it, but I thought he was just a lover of dogs. I mean, those dogs were living better than some people."

Vick has said that he rarely spend time on the property, telling the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "I'm never at the house."

"I've talked to (Vick) on his back porch," Hardy said. "He's saying he's never there. I'm not saying he's lying, but saying he's never there makes him look suspicious.

"But it's not like he's there all the time. If he had the property six years, he might have spent the equivalent of two weeks there."

The first "named" source we have seems to back up Vick's claim of rarely being there (being there 14 total days in 6 years is basically not ever being there) and didn't ever notice anything odd going on.VICK IS INNOCENT OF ALL CHARGES. I hope his lawyers can find a way to sue for slander.

Hi iluv:#1. What charges?

#2. What makes you say he's innocent?

#3. What slander are you speaking of?

J

 

[Big Score]

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Ernest Hardy, 56, is the closest neighbor to Vick's former property. Hardy has lived in his double-wide trailer there since 1973. "I have a natural gift for observing things," Hardy said, "and I haven't seen or heard any evidence of dogfighting. If it had been going on, it seems like I should have heard something.

"I might be totally dumb on this and missed it, but I thought he was just a lover of dogs. I mean, those dogs were living better than some people."

Vick has said that he rarely spend time on the property, telling the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "I'm never at the house."

"I've talked to (Vick) on his back porch," Hardy said. "He's saying he's never there. I'm not saying he's lying, but saying he's never there makes him look suspicious.

"But it's not like he's there all the time. If he had the property six years, he might have spent the equivalent of two weeks there."

The first "named" source we have seems to back up Vick's claim of rarely being there (being there 14 total days in 6 years is basically not ever being there) and didn't ever notice anything odd going on.VICK IS INNOCENT OF ALL CHARGES. I hope his lawyers can find a way to sue for slander.

Sue who? I haven't seen anyone other than on this board make any claims about Vick.

Two different sources in law enforcement say NFL quarterback Michael Vick not only knew about the dog fighting at a house he owned, but that he was an active participant at the fights that allegedly took place behind the house.

www.wvec.com

Landry also said that Vick was actively recruiting teammates to become involved in the "sport."

www.620wdae.com

The informant “will place him at these dog fights, yes,” said Kathy Strouse , a member of the Virginia Animal Fighting Task Force

content.hamptonroads.comIF Vick's charged & found innocent, looks like there's lots of choices for Vick's attorney to go after for slander, or defamation of character, if he so chooses.

 

[Traders2001]

There will not be any charges ,this is all BS.

 

[mad sweeney]

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Ernest Hardy, 56, is the closest neighbor to Vick's former property. Hardy has lived in his double-wide trailer there since 1973. "I have a natural gift for observing things," Hardy said, "and I haven't seen or heard any evidence of dogfighting. If it had been going on, it seems like I should have heard something.

"I might be totally dumb on this and missed it, but I thought he was just a lover of dogs. I mean, those dogs were living better than some people."

Vick has said that he rarely spend time on the property, telling the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "I'm never at the house."

"I've talked to (Vick) on his back porch," Hardy said. "He's saying he's never there. I'm not saying he's lying, but saying he's never there makes him look suspicious.

"But it's not like he's there all the time. If he had the property six years, he might have spent the equivalent of two weeks there."

The first "named" source we have seems to back up Vick's claim of rarely being there (being there 14 total days in 6 years is basically not ever being there) and didn't ever notice anything odd going on.VICK IS INNOCENT OF ALL CHARGES. I hope his lawyers can find a way to sue for slander.

Sue who? I haven't seen anyone other than on this board make any claims about Vick.

Two different sources in law enforcement say NFL quarterback Michael Vick not only knew about the dog fighting at a house he owned, but that he was an active participant at the fights that allegedly took place behind the house.

www.wvec.com

Landry also said that Vick was actively recruiting teammates to become involved in the "sport."

www.620wdae.com

The informant “will place him at these dog fights, yes,” said Kathy Strouse , a member of the Virginia Animal Fighting Task Force

content.hamptonroads.comIF Vick's charged & found innocent, looks like there's lots of choices for Vick's attorney to go after for slander, or defamation of character, if he so chooses.

Not necessarily. Being found innocent does not make all those statements false. Slander requires intent and unless the lawyers can prove that the witnesses were not only lying but also doing so with malicious intent he won't be suing anyone.

 

[Phurfur]

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Ernest Hardy, 56, is the closest neighbor to Vick's former property. Hardy has lived in his double-wide trailer there since 1973. "I have a natural gift for observing things," Hardy said, "and I haven't seen or heard any evidence of dogfighting. If it had been going on, it seems like I should have heard something.

"I might be totally dumb on this and missed it, but I thought he was just a lover of dogs. I mean, those dogs were living better than some people."

Vick has said that he rarely spend time on the property, telling the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "I'm never at the house."

"I've talked to (Vick) on his back porch," Hardy said. "He's saying he's never there. I'm not saying he's lying, but saying he's never there makes him look suspicious.

"But it's not like he's there all the time. If he had the property six years, he might have spent the equivalent of two weeks there."

The first "named" source we have seems to back up Vick's claim of rarely being there (being there 14 total days in 6 years is basically not ever being there) and didn't ever notice anything odd going on.VICK IS INNOCENT OF ALL CHARGES. I hope his lawyers can find a way to sue for slander.

Sue who? I haven't seen anyone other than on this board make any claims about Vick.

Two different sources in law enforcement say NFL quarterback Michael Vick not only knew about the dog fighting at a house he owned, but that he was an active participant at the fights that allegedly took place behind the house.

www.wvec.com

Landry also said that Vick was actively recruiting teammates to become involved in the "sport."

www.620wdae.com

The informant “will place him at these dog fights, yes,” said Kathy Strouse , a member of the Virginia Animal Fighting Task Force

content.hamptonroads.comIF Vick's charged & found innocent, looks like there's lots of choices for Vick's attorney to go after for slander, or defamation of character, if he so chooses.

Isn't defamation of Michael Vick's character somewhat of an oxymoron?

 

[thayman]

As a Redskins fan, let me just say that Portis = on this. I don't know what he was thinking (I've suspected he's friends with Vick and was trying to defend his friend) but if he truly believes that dog fighting is ok under any circumstances, then I've lost a lot of respect for him. That hurts because I've really enjoyed Portis and his lighthearted nature off the field, and his competitive nature on the field. I just can't respect any man that abuses women, children or animals, and anyone who defends someone who does that isn't much different in my eyes.

it makes me but

Portis is backpedaling now:A Washington Redskins player released a statement Monday night clarifying comments he made to WAVY-TV Friday about dogfighting and Vick.Last week- Clinton Portis told WAVY, "I don't know if he [Vick] was fighting dogs or not, but it's his property, it's his dogs. If that's what he wants to do, do it."In Monday night's statement, Portis said, "In the recent interview I gave concerning dog fighting, I want to make it clear I do not take part in dog fighting or condone dog fighting in any manner."

Portis offended me as well w/ his comments, but a day later I've toned down to - he's ignorant of the matter, Vick's personal life and isn't willing to pass judgement on it. I'm hoping he just non-chalantly stated it in the worst possible way by speaking without thinking. If he's willing to give Mike the benefit of the doubt, I can do the same for Portis. Although, the way he embraces press conferences and the such, I don't see how he can say something so stupid, even by accident.

I'm hoping he just opened his mouth and was spewing idociy without knowing what was going on.