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K. Moreno VS B. Wells (2 Viewers)
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Moreno has a much better O-Line for run blocking. So his ceiling is probably higher. Opportunity is an issue with both of these guys, though.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The defense and the passing offense are worse, yes. The rushing offense? I don't think so.
Jack Burton
Footballguy
I think both backs have the talent to be top 10, just not this year. I like Wells' situation better because he only really has Hightower to contend with. Moreno has Buckhalter, Hillis and possibly Jordan to share with. Plus McDaniels showed in NE how he likes to rotate RB's in and out. He has a tendency to go with an empty backfield at the goaline which is extremely frustrating when you have the RB who gets pulled in that situation.
I think Wells has a much better Team
More scoring Options
Won't be playing from behind as much
However has attitude problems
Moreno has tons of heart
Great work ethic
great hands
His coach I think Will be forced to use him alot because of how high he was picked
Maybe like a Minnie Forte
More scoring Options
Won't be playing from behind as much
However has attitude problems
Moreno has tons of heart
Great work ethic
great hands
His coach I think Will be forced to use him alot because of how high he was picked
Maybe like a Minnie Forte
Jack Burton
Footballguy
I know its coincidence but Moreno sounds a lot like Maroney... just sayin'.
MCguidance
Footballguy
There are a lot of great points being made here.
I have a question though: do you think that Josh Mc will rotate RBs a la NEP give that Moreno was his and his regime's first draft pick, and that draft pick was round opne, spot 12? I think it will take him some time, for sure, but would they put that much stock in a guy simply to rotate him around? I don't know the answer, just trying to wrap my head around why they would do this?
The same is pretty much true with Wells, no?
I know it's 2009 and they keep guys fresh, but these kids can be 3 down backs IMO, just a matter of will their teams do that? if so when?
I have a question though: do you think that Josh Mc will rotate RBs a la NEP give that Moreno was his and his regime's first draft pick, and that draft pick was round opne, spot 12? I think it will take him some time, for sure, but would they put that much stock in a guy simply to rotate him around? I don't know the answer, just trying to wrap my head around why they would do this?
The same is pretty much true with Wells, no?
I know it's 2009 and they keep guys fresh, but these kids can be 3 down backs IMO, just a matter of will their teams do that? if so when?
Jack Burton
Footballguy
Does McDaniels seem like the kind of guy who could be forced to do anything he didnt want to do? Where is Brandon Marshall right now?. Moreno will be the stater one day for sure but it will be on McD's terms.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Do you need him to play 16 to justify him at his curren ADP?let's say he takes over starting duties in week 6...you could get 8 good games out of him...that's a lot more than most of the other crap being drafted around him.
Is that 8 games as a starter? Is that what you are saying?
jurb26
Footballguy
Not enough options. I think Moreno will start sooner because he will start as soon as he is healthy and I think that will be no later than week 2. Wells will have the bigger impact though because he is more talented and in a more prolific offense. Wells will also be starting by week 3 IMO.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
There's a very good chance...I think people are forgetting that some scouts had Wells as the top rated runningback in this draft class. Personally I think Wells has more ability than Moreno.
What are you talking about? To me the big question mark on Beanie is his durability. He seems to get dinged up a lot.I like Moreno more, but I like both of them for where they are going.
Moreno
Bad
-Might not be the lead back for the first couple of games
-Broncos will probably be behind A LOT this season and consequently which will result in less carries for Moreno
Good
-He might not be spectacular at anything, but he's at least solid in every aspect of the game.
-Orton dumped it off to Matt Forte A LOT last season. He has better receivers this year, but I'd imagine Moreno still gets 40 to 60 receptions.
-Their offensive line is built to run the ball. They averaged 4.8 ypc last season despite starting several different players at the position last season
-He can be an X-Factor for your team. Rookies typically are higher risk/higher reward picks then players drafted around them. Moreno could be the key to you winning your championship or missing the playoffs. I think he's a "Play to win" pick versus a "play to just make the playoffs" pick.
Wells
bad
-Durability issues
-Offensive line built to pass block, NOT run block.
-Kurt Warner didn't dump it to the RB much last season so Wells probably won't get that many receptions even if he's a better receiver then people realize.
Good
-More talented and dynamic then Tim Hightower so he should have no trouble taking the job from him if he can stay semi-healthy.
-Playing in a great offensive. Should get plenty of goalline carries.
-Like Moreno, he could be an X-factor for your team.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
I'd add, "arguably the best pure runner in his draft class" to the listalso
"better redzone threat"
LHUCKS
Footballguy
How about, "offense has looked terrible in the preseason"and
"33 year old rookie head coach"
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In college he would be a little dinged up and not play. I meant I don't believe his heart is in it. Poor attitude in College
In college he would be a little dinged up and not play. I meant I don't believe his heart is in it. Poor attitude in College
I have seen nothing to suggest this in NFL. He studied the play book hard, practiced hard and has more than shown a great attitude to succeed at the NFL level. Money is involved now and his rookie year is not the big pay day. Durability ala Adrian Peterson coming out is my only concern
I go with Wells for fun here
1. Much higher scoring team. I see a chance for 15 TD's to about a max of 7 for Moreno in Denver
2. I think a coach who want to run the ball compared to a coach who wants to use RBBC to its fullest. Not to mention Mc is an idiot
3. Big game ability. I think Wells with the lineup can go for those big 50 yd touches quite a bit and will have some huge games
The only thing I like about Moreno better will be catches but I think Wells can do the job. He showed nice hands at the combine.
I have seen nothing to suggest this in NFL. He studied the play book hard, practiced hard and has more than shown a great attitude to succeed at the NFL level. Money is involved now and his rookie year is not the big pay day. Durability ala Adrian Peterson coming out is my only concern
I go with Wells for fun here
1. Much higher scoring team. I see a chance for 15 TD's to about a max of 7 for Moreno in Denver
2. I think a coach who want to run the ball compared to a coach who wants to use RBBC to its fullest. Not to mention Mc is an idiot
3. Big game ability. I think Wells with the lineup can go for those big 50 yd touches quite a bit and will have some huge games
The only thing I like about Moreno better will be catches but I think Wells can do the job. He showed nice hands at the combine.
And Jim Brown sounded like evening gown...your point?
two_dollars
Footballguy
I'd argue Big Ten vs the SEC. Moreno is ALSO argueably the best runner in his class. That's why it's an arguement. Moreno is a more rounded back. He gets the edge from me.
footballguy#1
Footballguy
I think I'd rather have McCoy than either of these guys. Neither seem like future studs to me and I think McCoy has the best chance to be a future stud.
two_dollars
Footballguy
My bad if this was a dynasty thread, but if this is a redraft thread McCoy shouldn't even be in the conversation.
you're awfully confident of a return from brian westbrook. i'm not as much. i'd be happy to get any of them in my keeper league. i won't.
footballguy#1
Footballguy
I was thinking dynasty, but I would probably rather have McCoy for redraft too, but it is a lot closer in my opinion.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Get off his junk already.
If you'd rather have McCoy in redraft, you're an idiot.Westbrook is one of the league's best backs and McCoy hasn't exactly lit it up in training camp/preseason. There is no way McCoy is anything more then a change of pace back this season unless Westbrook misses a significant amount of time.Correll Buckhalter and Tim Hightower are significantly less obstacles to overcome on the depth chart for Moreno and Beanie.
footballguy#1
Footballguy
Westbroke was one of the best. I happen to think he won't make it through another year. I am probably not the only one that feels that way. Lay off the insults, keep it to football discussions.
Jack Burton
Footballguy
Moreno and Maroney sound similar... whats so hard to understand?
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
One of the things that baffles me most about fantasy football is how naive people are to how often those mid-round picks don't work out. I remember back in the Priest/LJ years people used to talk about "wasting" a valuable 6th round pick on LJ, and I went back and looked and found that over the last few years, more than 75% of 5th-6th round picks ended up being huge busts.People actually expect their 5th/6th rounders to perform like top players, and it's completely absurd. If you get 8 good weeks out of your 6th round pick, you're coming out way ahead of most of the rest of the league.LHUCKS said:
socrates
Footballguy
I know it's a coincidence, but Moreno sounds a lot like like Marino ... just sayin'.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I own both. My opinion is that Moreno has significantly more upside, and will have far more touches b/c of his 3 down ability. Beanie is in a better passing offense, but his pass catching and protection abilities are raw at best and the Cardinals run game has been dirty since the mid-80s.
Advantage Moreno.
Advantage Moreno.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Thanks you. I was starting to get worried!!
Jack Burton
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Yes, actually he does.After he lost out on Cassel he didn't want to trade Cutler, and let's see what happens with Brandon Marshall.
After the horrible start of McDaniels' tenure Pat Bowlen can't be happy right now.
McDaniels is likely on the coaches hot seat along with Jauron, Philips, Zorn, Cable, Childress, Kubiak etc.
