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Kamala Harris Helped Bail Out Criminals (1 Viewer)

Mile High said:
Choice between a candidate who contributes to a fund for people not convicted of any crimes or a candidate who pardons his convicted criminal buddies. 
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Kind of hard to be convicted of a crime the way our justice system in established (innocent until proven guilty) when you can't get the local DAs to actually press charges a d the people are back on the street in two hours.  Nevermind that there was a reason they were arrested and that officers were treated for injuries. 

Be reasonable- those people didn't just get arrested because they were there drinking lemonade.  In all rights, many more people should have been arrested.  These were the most heinous offenders, trying to burn, maim, kill.  The guys "only" looting and throwing bricks weren't even taken in.  

 
sho nuff said:
Not really...the semantics started from the beginning with a trolling thread from a trolling poster making claims about who was bailed out with the funds from.  Saints shed some light on it...which went largely ignored because the agenda of some.

HTH
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The fatal flaw is, no one was getting arrested for protesting. That's a fallacy. The people arrested were rioters and looters. People donating "to the cause" had to know this. 

 
sho nuff said:
Which politicians have encouraged "stirring things up" in a violent way?

Encouraging protest and even civil unrest is not the same thing...nor should it be disavowed.  It should be pushed...it is how we enact change in this country when those in power (no matter what party they are members of) continue to resist and refuse change.
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You can start with Ayanna Pressley if you want to watch a congresswoman openly say that this unrest will and SHOULD continue.  

There was lot out there.  Al you have to do is look.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
The fatal flaw is, no one was getting arrested for protesting. That's a fallacy. The people arrested were rioters and looters. People donating "to the cause" had to know this. 
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If you want to claim something is a fallacy...its best to back that up with something resembling a credible link.

 
Shutout said:
sho nuff said:
Which politicians have encouraged "stirring things up" in a violent way?

Encouraging protest and even civil unrest is not the same thing...nor should it be disavowed.  It should be pushed...it is how we enact change in this country when those in power (no matter what party they are members of) continue to resist and refuse change.
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You can start with Ayanna Pressley if you want to watch a congresswoman openly say that this unrest will and SHOULD continue.  

There was lot out there.  Al you have to do is look.
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Bolded the key part of what I stated...civil unrest does not equal violence.

You also stated several have done this...you have listed one and her words do not elevate to promoting violence either.

 
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sho nuff said:
Bolded the key part of what I stated...
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If you want to educate yourself, ook up the links and see what your party is saying. Any reasonable person can see and hear, in context, what they are being asked and how they respond.

Perhaps a simpler way to move the conversation forward would be to ask a question-

Isn't it the party you are defending that says "silence IS violence"?  Why has the Democratic party been so silent about All this until now when the polls are hurting their cause?  Are they not promoting "violence/civil unrest" by not calling people out? Why is that someone like, say, the Obamas, haven't used their many, many platforms to utter one sentence about "hey, people, in my home town...please quit killing one another and looting the entire business districts"? Why is it that media outlets like CNN completely failed to report the Chicago and Portland riots in June and July and most of August and then when they did they feel compelled to print "mostly peaceful" under their picture of buildings burning in the background?  I guess under than logic I could have a "mostly peaceful" bank withdrawal where I am nice all the way up to the point I pull the gun out while in the bank and demand money.  

 
sho nuff said:
From your own article...

"Public safety officials did not specify how many of the weekend arrests were of people violating curfew, rather than riot, looting or arson."
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480 arrests.  Can you possibly be that blindly loyal that you don't think for yourself.  480 arrests.  Never mind the fact that if they were arrested for violating curfew that the reason that curfew was in place and so important was because they needed to get people off the street because...wait for it...there were people out there rioting and looting. Nevermind that at All.  Let's assume 240 of those people WERE out at 12:01 at a McDonald's drive through and got arrested.  They is still 240 people....240 arrested for looting and arson and rioting, etc.  

You know in your right mind that, given what was going on, the police department wasn't out there trying to find hundreds of people out walking their dog or getting a burger at the wrong time.  No. They were being logical and reacting to the MOST pressing and dire issues. The real number is likely at least the vast majority of those people being brought in for obvious, obvious issues.  

You asked the poster for something showing what he was saying.  480 arrests FOR looting and rioting over a weekend is pretty clear.  Spin it as you wish. You only hurt yourself to refuse educating yourself.  

 
Wait, let me get this straight: Candidate "A" encourages donations to a charitable organization that provides people charged with crimes (and who are presumed innocent under our legal system) with a Constitutional right to bail and people want to hold her responsible and attack her for the decisions made by that organization. Meanwhile, Candidate "B" issues pardons and commutes sentences of people actually found guilty because they are his friends and those actions are OK?

 
Shutout said:
If you want to educate yourself, ook up the links and see what your party is saying. Any reasonable person can see and hear, in context, what they are being asked and how they respond.

Perhaps a simpler way to move the conversation forward would be to ask a question-

Isn't it the party you are defending that says "silence IS violence"?  Why has the Democratic party been so silent about All this until now when the polls are hurting their cause?  Are they not promoting "violence/civil unrest" by not calling people out? Why is that someone like, say, the Obamas, haven't used their many, many platforms to utter one sentence about "hey, people, in my home town...please quit killing one another and looting the entire business districts"? Why is it that media outlets like CNN completely failed to report the Chicago and Portland riots in June and July and most of August and then when they did they feel compelled to print "mostly peaceful" under their picture of buildings burning in the background?  I guess under than logic I could have a "mostly peaceful" bank withdrawal where I am nice all the way up to the point I pull the gun out while in the bank and demand money.  
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Ive looked up the links to many things..."my party"...I have no party.  I currently side with the Democrats over the current group of the GOP that has abandoned traditional republican and conservative positions and issues.  Ive seen how people respond.

But you talk about educate myself...you make a claim...you were questioned on it...then posted a link that proved my point.  That its a fallacy to just claim that only those rioting and causing violence have been arrested.  Your own link showed that the police aren't even saying that.

It is true that some in the party say silence is violence...I don't believe "the party" says that as a whole.

I don't believe the democratic party has been silent until polling...I think that is a fallacy as shown in multiple threads of Biden speaking out since right after the Floyd death and condemning violence...a whole thread about Clyburn warning about how some things like defund the police and violence are taking over the actual movement.  People have called out the violence over and over.  Some just don't want to hear that and are clinging to what the right wing opinion people and Trump are telling you vs actually listening to what has been said by those in the party.

Obama condemning violence...  so there goes that talking point...was that enough before polling for you?  Or do you need more?

I don't know what CNN does or care...I don't find them to be a great source.  The mostly peaceful stuff has been both stupid by them...and overblown by the right in talking points.

 
Shutout said:
480 arrests.  Can you possibly be that blindly loyal that you don't think for yourself.  480 arrests.  Never mind the fact that if they were arrested for violating curfew that the reason that curfew was in place and so important was because they needed to get people off the street because...wait for it...there were people out there rioting and looting. Nevermind that at All.  Let's assume 240 of those people WERE out at 12:01 at a McDonald's drive through and got arrested.  They is still 240 people....240 arrested for looting and arson and rioting, etc.  

You know in your right mind that, given what was going on, the police department wasn't out there trying to find hundreds of people out walking their dog or getting a burger at the wrong time.  No. They were being logical and reacting to the MOST pressing and dire issues. The real number is likely at least the vast majority of those people being brought in for obvious, obvious issues.  

You asked the poster for something showing what he was saying.  480 arrests FOR looting and rioting over a weekend is pretty clear.  Spin it as you wish. You only hurt yourself to refuse educating yourself.  
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Again...the quote in the link says that police are not saying that it was just for looting and rioting...quit the claims of blind loyalty and read the link that was posted...I pulled out the quote specifically saying the police are not saying those 480 were just for looting and rioting.  Nobody is claiming that people just out walking there dog were getting arrested..

 
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sho nuff said:
Stop with this personal BS...I am very well educated in life and on the topic being discussed.  There is zero need for this type of post...stop.
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SO THERE!   :rant:

If you've learned from the wrong teacher...who's to blame?

I stand by it. You've learned what you've learned...you know what you know... and do not feel the need to educate yourself any further.

 
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sho nuff said:
Again...the quote in the link says that police are not saying that it was just for looting and rioting...quit the claims of blind loyalty and read the link that was posted...I pulled out the quote specifically saying the police are not saying those 480 were just for looting and rioting.
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Your butt must be jealous of the things that come from your mouth.  Seriously, I know you have like 60k posts and must have the time to stir stuff up all the time but every single thread I go into, there you are with person after person after person telling you to take a minute and reflect on what you are actually saying.  There is no helping you.

Just a few minutes go in the K. Harris thread you posted your rebute about "bidenhas denoucend violence" and in that link, he has three direct quotes.  Two of the three he clearly is talking about arson and vandelism.  The other, he has a 6 word sentence that says what anyone with a human conscious would say. Violence is bad and should stop.  You KNOW, if you have followed at all, that for the last 100 days+, the Democratic party as whole has completely ignored the violence.  

Post me one single person from the DNC that used their time to please to their countrymen to stop this nonsense.  One. 

So, basically, you post for others to do this and not do that or stop doing this....as you do ALL those things to other people.  Sounds to me exactly how it is America from the radical left view- if you disagree with us, you're wrong and if you try to defend it with facts, it proves even more you are wrong.  

You can keep posting until the cows come home but it will not change the truth one bit.  Please take all these other people's advice and take some time to reflect and see some truth.  

 
Opie said:
SO THERE!   :rant:

If you've learned from the wrong teacher...who's to blame?

I stand by it. You've learned what you've learned...you know what you know... and do not feel the need to educate yourself any further.
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Well you are standing by false assumptions and making personal comments about a person you know absolutely nothing about and doing so just to get a reaction...enough of it.  

 
sho nuff said:
Well you are standing by false assumptions and making personal comments about a person you know absolutely nothing about and doing so just to get a reaction...enough of it.  
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I know that you consistently attack the messenger instead of confronting any opposing message.
I know that you consistently fail to watch opposing videos...citing the commercials or the host as your reason to ignore the message.

This is what I know....no assumptions

In this forum, you show no willingness to further your "education".
You want only to solidify your "indoctrination".

 
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Shutout said:
Your butt must be jealous of the things that come from your mouth.  Seriously, I know you have like 60k posts and must have the time to stir stuff up all the time but every single thread I go into, there you are with person after person after person telling you to take a minute and reflect on what you are actually saying.  There is no helping you.

Just a few minutes go in the K. Harris thread you posted your rebute about "bidenhas denoucend violence" and in that link, he has three direct quotes.  Two of the three he clearly is talking about arson and vandelism.  The other, he has a 6 word sentence that says what anyone with a human conscious would say. Violence is bad and should stop.  You KNOW, if you have followed at all, that for the last 100 days+, the Democratic party as whole has completely ignored the violence.  

Post me one single person from the DNC that used their time to please to their countrymen to stop this nonsense.  One. 

So, basically, you post for others to do this and not do that or stop doing this....as you do ALL those things to other people.  Sounds to me exactly how it is America from the radical left view- if you disagree with us, you're wrong and if you try to defend it with facts, it proves even more you are wrong.  

You can keep posting until the cows come home but it will not change the truth one bit.  Please take all these other people's advice and take some time to reflect and see some truth.  
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You realize this is the Kamala Harris thread, right?

and oh good...more personal BS rather than addressing the points made and links provided that refute your false assertions about the topic.  Typical

I do not do as you claim to other people...and I don’t believe I claimed whether someone did or did not say during the DNC.  But to even make the implication  that any other speech or comment outside of those several days don't matter is ridiculous.  And frankly...i didn't watch the thing.  Only a couple full speeches and clips of others...So i have made zero claims of what was said there.  
You were provided multiple links of Democrats speaking out...you seem to not accept that and make excuses why it wasn’t good enough.   And to imply its anything like the radical left is completely BS.  Especially since I have provided links and facts.  Ive posted them and the truth.  You should try it rather than ling posts going after the poster  and not about what was posted

 
Opie said:
I know that you consistently attack the messenger instead of confronting any opposing message.
I know that you consistently fail to watch opposing videos...citing the commercials or the host as your reason to ignore the message.

This is what I know....no assumptions

In this forum, you show no willingness to further your "education".
You want only to solidify your "indoctrination".
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I attack both message and messenger when the messenger is not credible.  I don’t  attack posters as is now happening in this thread.  Yes...I refuse to watch youtube videos that have been clipped together when providing written evidence is preferable and easier to read quickly and quote and cite....especially when the lead ins are for political ads showing the likely bias of the video.  I also don’t post videos as sources for my information.

Your last statement is again 100% false.  Refusing some

of those sources is not refusing education...its actually refusing that indoctrination of those with clear bias and agenda and preferring a different medium.  Same reason I dont watch much tv news and prefer written sources.

 
sho nuff said:
I attack both message and messenger when the messenger is not credible.  I don’t  attack posters as is now happening in this thread.  Yes...I refuse to watch youtube videos that have been clipped together when providing written evidence is preferable and easier to read quickly and quote and cite....especially when the lead ins are for political ads showing the likely bias of the video.  I also don’t post videos as sources for my information.

Your last statement is again 100% false.  Refusing some

of those sources is not refusing education...its actually refusing that indoctrination of those with clear bias and agenda and preferring a different medium.  Same reason I dont watch much tv news and prefer written sources.
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Sure....you bet.   :coffee:

Just change your name to "Diogenes"

 
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apalmer said:
Wait, let me get this straight: Candidate "A" encourages donations to a charitable organization that provides people charged with crimes (and who are presumed innocent under our legal system) with a Constitutional right to bail and people want to hold her responsible and attack her for the decisions made by that organization. Meanwhile, Candidate "B" issues pardons and commutes sentences of people actually found guilty because they are his friends and those actions are OK?
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Gaslighting and mental gymnastics in an effort to try and convince themselves and you that "Hey, I might prefer to vote for party tearing the country to pieces but this is how I get social media likes and my feelings matter more than the future of my children"

Harris is using her profile to raise funding to bail out people burning cities to the ground

Lib response: "Trumps rhetoric is divisive"

ZERO INTEGRITY 

 
Bronan said:
apalmer said:
Wait, let me get this straight: Candidate "A" encourages donations to a charitable organization that provides people charged with crimes (and who are presumed innocent under our legal system) with a Constitutional right to bail and people want to hold her responsible and attack her for the decisions made by that organization. Meanwhile, Candidate "B" issues pardons and commutes sentences of people actually found guilty because they are his friends and those actions are OK?
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Gaslighting and mental gymnastics in an effort to try and convince themselves and you that "Hey, I might prefer to vote for party tearing the country to pieces but this is how I get social media likes and my feelings matter more than the future of my children"

Harris is using her profile to raise funding to bail out people burning cities to the ground

Lib response: "Trumps rhetoric is divisive"

ZERO INTEGRITY 
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It's like people are bringing fiery briquets to a chile eating contest.  Have fun moderating this bleep, y'all.

 
Bronan said:
Gaslighting and mental gymnastics in an effort to try and convince themselves and you that "Hey, I might prefer to vote for party tearing the country to pieces but this is how I get social media likes and my feelings matter more than the future of my children"

Harris is using her profile to raise funding to bail out people burning cities to the ground

Lib response: "Trumps rhetoric is divisive"

ZERO INTEGRITY 
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Link to any cities burned to the ground? I mean, actually burned to the ground, not merely announced by the President as being burned to the ground. After that, maybe you can explain why you hate the US Constitution.

 
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Now imagine that instead of a percentage of rioters mixed in with peaceful protesters they were collaborators with a foreign adversary trying to undermine our election.  And instead of bailing them out she pardoned them.

 
She’s still supporting the group bailing out criminal and the msm is still ignoring it.
 

Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris continues to actively raise money for a Minnesota group that has bailed out several suspects charged with violent felonies, including murder and sex crimes.

Harris called on her followers to donate to the Minnesota Freedom Fund (MFF) in a June 1 tweet, saying that contributions to the fund would help post bail for people arrested during protests against the police-custody death of George Floyd, which sparked nationwide unrest and riots across the country.

The fundraising page Harris linked to in her tweet, which contains a picture of Harris and the slogan for her former presidential campaign, is still actively accepting donations. The Daily Caller News Foundation verified Harris’s link was still active by making a $1 contribution through the page Thursday afternoon. 

Among the people that MFF bailed out of jail after Floyd’s death include Jaleel Stallings, who according to Fox9 faces attempted murder charges for shooting at members of a SWAT Team during riots in late May.

Harris’s fundraising page for the MFF remains active despite Biden’s condemnation of rioting and looting in late August.

“You know, as I said after George Floyd’s murder,” Biden said, “protesting brutality is a right and absolutely necessary. But burning down communities is not protest, its needless violence – violence that endangers lives, violence that guts businesses and shutters businesses that serve the community.”

It’s unclear how much Harris’s tweet has raised for the MFF. Overall, the group brought in $35 million since Floyd’s death.

The MFF said in a Sept. 4 statement it had paid $3,475,000 for county bails since “the uprising,” $210,000 of that going to fund bail for people facing protest-related charges.

At least one individual has committed additional violent crimes on the streets after being bailed out by the MFF.

Lionel Timms faces a felony third-degree assault charge in connection to an attempted robbery against a bar manager on Aug. 14 that left the victim with traumatic brain injury, Alpha News reported. Timms was released from jail in late July after the MFF posted his bail in relation to a separate third-degree felony assault charge he faces for allegedly assaulting a person on a bus on July 11.

MFF Interim Executive Director Greg Lewin issued a statement in response to Timms’ second arrest in late August, saying the fund was “deeply saddened and troubled” by the “recent attack of a popular and well-respected member of our community.”

Lewin said the Timms’ second arrest while out on bail was the failure of the criminal justice system.

“[W]e didn’t do enough to mitigate that damage by ensuring that Mr. Timss had the support he needed to come back to the community,” Lewin wrote. “It’s clear that we need to take steps to strengthen our internal procedures for supporting those we bail out.”

Other key individuals bailed out by the MFF include Christopher Boswell, a twice-convicted rapist who faces charges in two separate cases of sexual assault, assault and kidnapping, according to Fox9.

The group also paid $100,000 to bail out Darnika Floyd, who faces a 2nd-degree murder charge for stabbing her friend to death, the local outlet reported.
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https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/10/kamala-harris-still-fundraising-minnesota-freedom-fund/

 
whoknew said:
This is a weird critique. From what little research I've done, the MFF seems like a good organization. Is the Daily Caller against bail in general? 
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“Among the people that MFF bailed out of jail after Floyd’s death include Jaleel Stallings, who according to Fox9 faces attempted murder charges for shooting at members of a SWAT Team during riots in late May.”

 
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Bluto it’s a pretty obvious tell from people pushing this that they can’t pretend to see the difference between a tweet encouraging support for arrested protestors who can’t pay their bail and directly letting violent criminals out of jail.

This is all the more disingenuous considering on the other hand the Trump team tries to divide KH from libs/progs by reminding how she was a tough AG & prosecutor. 

 
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Regardless of their crime...are people against all bail?  Or just those who engage in violent forms of protest?  Does it being part of a protest make the less eligible for bail to some?

I mean...bailing out criminals is an odd way to criticize...as all bail is bailing out accused criminals (or they wouldn't need bail).

 
John Blutarsky said:
“Among the people that MFF bailed out of jail after Floyd’s death include Jaleel Stallings, who according to Fox9 faces attempted murder charges for shooting at members of a SWAT Team during riots in late May.”
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So do you not believe in bail? Do you think this person should not have received bail? Seems like a critique of the criminal justice system - not MFF.

 
I’m in support of people being allowed bail.

Here’s a partial list of some of those people:

  • ROGER STONE
  • PAUL MANAFORT
  • STEVE BANNON
  • MICHAEL COHEN
  • MICHAEL FLYNN
  • RICK GATES
  • GEORGE NADER
  • GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS
 
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