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It is the media coverage and lying that was wrong.
This is one case where I disagree. I've been through a lot more hurricanes than I care to count, and unless the media scares the bejeezus out of everybody they will all hunker down and stay through it. That means they have to give the worst possible scenario--and in this case it was that NO could be entirely devastated, particularly with the flooding. As it is I'm also praying for a friend of mine who lives in Hattiesburg--that appears to be directly in its current path.

 
He lacks the ability to feel compassion for those strangers. To each there own. No need to argue with him if you disagree.
What if he doesn't have compassion for other people's daughters, though? :unsure:
 
FYI, FBGPoker = ILUVBEER99

Not sure why he feels the need to argue. Okay. He doesn't feel bad for the people still there. He lacks the ability to feel compassion for those strangers. To each there own. No need to argue with him if you disagree.
Yes, this name is logged on my work computer.And don't put words into my mouth, it isn't excellent.

I have said numerous times I feel for those stuck in it and those evacuated, quit making things up.

I think the media coverage has sucked, if others have enjoyed watching the circus more power to them.

 
It is the media coverage and lying that was wrong.
This is one case where I disagree. I've been through a lot more hurricanes than I care to count, and unless the media scares the bejeezus out of everybody they will all hunker down and stay through it. That means they have to give the worst possible scenario--and in this case it was that NO could be entirely devastated, particularly with the flooding. As it is I'm also praying for a friend of mine who lives in Hattiesburg--that appears to be directly in its current path.
Hope your friend is ok!
 
FYI, FBGPoker = ILUVBEER99

Not sure why he feels the need to argue. Okay. He doesn't feel bad for the people still there. He lacks the ability to feel compassion for those strangers. To each there own. No need to argue with him if you disagree.
Yeah, but what a completely awful time for a stupid fishing expedition.Edit - and even if you don't personally know anyone who'll be affected, you certainly i-Know a lot of people right here who'll have their #### completely wrecked.

 
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FYI, FBGPoker = ILUVBEER99

Not sure why he feels the need to argue. Okay. He doesn't feel bad for the people still there. He lacks the ability to feel compassion for those strangers. To each there own. No need to argue with him if you disagree.
Yeah, but what a completely awful time for a stupid fishing expedition.
As usual, shining path is correct.
 
FYI, FBGPoker = ILUVBEER99

Not sure why he feels the need to argue. Okay. He doesn't feel bad for the people still there. He lacks the ability to feel compassion for those strangers. To each there own. No need to argue with him if you disagree.
Yeah, but what a completely awful time for a stupid fishing expedition.
Obviously i didn't come across how I wanted too. Sensitivity isn't one of my strong points. :banned:

 
FYI, FBGPoker = ILUVBEER99

Not sure why he feels the need to argue. Okay. He doesn't feel bad for the people still there. He lacks the ability to feel compassion for those strangers. To each there own. No need to argue with him if you disagree.
Why do people feel the need to post with an alias anyway? Don't want to tarnish your normal ID so you post with an alias and then can do whatever you want? :confused:
 
FYI, FBGPoker = ILUVBEER99

Not sure why he feels the need to argue. Okay. He doesn't feel bad for the people still there. He lacks the ability to feel compassion for those strangers. To each there own. No need to argue with him if you disagree.
Yeah, but what a completely awful time for a stupid fishing expedition.Edit - and even if you don't personally know anyone who'll be affected, you certainly i-Know a lot of people right here who'll have their #### completely wrecked.
I also do know a few people personally affected, and I think it sucks.I hate the media circus surrounding it, they are trying to make an ABC movie of the week out of the hurricane instead of doing their job, reporting the actual news.

 
I hate the media circus surrounding it, they are trying to make an ABC movie of the week out of the hurricane instead of doing their job, reporting the actual news.
You do have point here - Geraldo's saying "THIS IS THE DOOMSDAY SCENARIO, FOLKS" and "WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A DISASTER OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS" was nauseating enough at the time, but seems even more shameful the day after. Then again, that's Geraldo.But the rest of your comments were :thumbdown: and you are right to back pedal.

 
What do you say to the people who are standing on their roofs as the only way to stay alive.
I would say, "you had a week notice to get the hell out of there, why are you on your roof and not in another city/state?"Bottom line, I feel for the people in the path of the hurricane (that actually evacuated), I have nothing but sympathy for them. It is the media coverage and lying that was wrong.
OK, now I'm confused. Your original complaint was that there was too much pre-strike publicity and too many warnings because you felt those warnings were lies. But the people who agreed with you, stayed and are stranded get a "why didn't you listen to the warnings"? Sounds to me like they didn't make the warnings sound harsh enough.
Classic PK move
Yep, I called it above, it's gotta be PKev
 
FYI, FBGPoker = ILUVBEER99

Not sure why he feels the need to argue. Okay. He doesn't feel bad for the people still there. He lacks the ability to feel compassion for those strangers. To each there own. No need to argue with him if you disagree.
Why do people feel the need to post with an alias anyway? Don't want to tarnish your normal ID so you post with an alias and then can do whatever you want? :confused:
Some people have more than one computer. Some people have been banned before and had to start a new log-in name and left that name on their other computer. Some people don't care what name they post with and instead of bothering to log-in and log-out they just leave the other name on the other computer.When I post from this computer that is the log-in name it auto logs in with.

 
I hate the media circus surrounding it, they are trying to make an ABC movie of the week out of the hurricane instead of doing their job, reporting the actual news.
You do have point here - Geraldo's saying "THIS IS THE DOOMSDAY SCENARIO, FOLKS" and "WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A DISASTER OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS" was nauseating enough at the time, but seems even more shameful the day after. Then again, that's Geraldo.But the rest of your comments were :thumbdown: and you are right to back pedal.
The Geraldo type media coverage is my main issue, and caused me to make other comments that were taken the wrong way.Also I was livid when ABC left the LL World Series coverage that was in extra innings to give a 15 minute update when 500 other channels were taking care of that already.

 
What do you say to the people who are standing on their roofs as the only way to stay alive.
I would say, "you had a week notice to get the hell out of there, why are you on your roof and not in another city/state?"Bottom line, I feel for the people in the path of the hurricane (that actually evacuated), I have nothing but sympathy for them. It is the media coverage and lying that was wrong.
OK, now I'm confused. Your original complaint was that there was too much pre-strike publicity and too many warnings because you felt those warnings were lies. But the people who agreed with you, stayed and are stranded get a "why didn't you listen to the warnings"? Sounds to me like they didn't make the warnings sound harsh enough.
Classic PK move
Yep, I called it above, it's gotta be PKev
Hi Mr. Pack :hey: Shick! called it.

(Shick! @ Aug 29 2005, 01:49 PM)

FYI, FBGPoker = ILUVBEER99
 
I hate the media circus surrounding it, they are trying to make an ABC movie of the week out of the hurricane instead of doing their job, reporting the actual news.
You do have point here - Geraldo's saying "THIS IS THE DOOMSDAY SCENARIO, FOLKS" and "WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A DISASTER OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS" was nauseating enough at the time, but seems even more shameful the day after. Then again, that's Geraldo.But the rest of your comments were :thumbdown: and you are right to back pedal.
Really? Geraldo is a sensationalistic hack of a reporter? :eek: This is just, Generalísimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

 
What do you say to the people who are standing on their roofs as the only way to stay alive.
I would say, "you had a week notice to get the hell out of there, why are you on your roof and not in another city/state?"Bottom line, I feel for the people in the path of the hurricane (that actually evacuated), I have nothing but sympathy for them. It is the media coverage and lying that was wrong.
OK, now I'm confused. Your original complaint was that there was too much pre-strike publicity and too many warnings because you felt those warnings were lies. But the people who agreed with you, stayed and are stranded get a "why didn't you listen to the warnings"? Sounds to me like they didn't make the warnings sound harsh enough.
Classic PK move
Yep, I called it above, it's gotta be PKev
Hi Mr. Pack :hey: Shick! called it.

(Shick! @ Aug 29 2005, 01:49 PM)

FYI, FBGPoker = ILUVBEER99
:hey: Mrs.Saw that after I posted..... :shrug:

:wub:

 
Anyone in jackson that could give me any info on damage?I am heading there tomorrow from Milwaukee and I am trying to determine how much if any damage has been done in Jackson, MS.THANKS

 
Has anyone made the obligatory Katrina and the Waves joke yet?

Thanks.. I'll hang up and listen.
How many albums have they sold? :confused:
It seems as though Katrina has a solo album...for all of us who thought the waves were draging her down... :X

sorry about that

 
Mayor Ray Nagin said that 200 people were stranded on rooftops in the Lower Ninth Ward and several “bodies are floating in the water” in the Bywater neighborhood and in Eastover.Nagin made the announcement in his first press briefing after Hurricane Katrina slammed just east of the city, but did plenty of devastation to New Orleans.Nagin said that the 200 stranded people included 20 police officers who were riding out the storm at their homes in preparation to take over shifts from other officers. He said that boats would be dispatched on rescue missions later in the afternoon.Mayor Nagin issued a "boil water" recommendation for water in the city - except for Algiers and the CBD due to a water main line break that may have compromised the water.Nagin said at least 20 buildings in the city had collapsed and that it might be 48 hours before residents would be allowed back to their homes to assess the damage.
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWL0829...ed.6dc737a.html
 
Great. Looting on Canal Street right now on WDSU.
[silverlining]Well maybe this is actually good news.

If these people can find the time to rush down to the local PC Richard, bust some windows, and make off with a few plasma televisions, the weather can't possibly be all that bad.

[/silverlining]

 
I'm calling it now:

The storm will drift N and gradually take a NNE tack and the eyewall will make landfall between NO and Biloxi.

Flooding will still be very bad all over but the huge push up the river that could turn the Big Easy into Lake New Orleans will not happen. The Big Easy will dodge another bullet - but very narrowly.

Can anything good come from such a natural disaster? Yes...I suppose. Perhaps this will bring attention to the erosion of the Louisiana coast that has been unchecked for decades. The million or so acres we've lost in the estuary would be pretty nice to have around right about now.

Just to state my affiliation: I was born in NO and lived there for 25 years. My parents, my sister and her husband and my in-laws all still live in and around the area. All have stayed in town - Sister and Mother are on the critical personnel list at an area hospital and my father stayed with them. Inlaws are just S of I-12 in Madisonville and should be OK.

BTW...here's a Link to a webcam housed in my high school alma mater. The school is located at the base of a levee that holds the Mississippi.  Literally. As in run a few hundred yards and you're heading up the levee (ahh...fond memories of football conditioning...levees with another D-Lineman on your back just to make it more interesting).

Anyway...as it's night there obviously isn't much to see but the camera may provide some interesting (as in severely disheartening) footage as the storm heads in. The cam appears to update hourly.
THIS GUY gets the official "Amazing Krekin of the Year Award."
I've been saying this all along. The storms that hit along the Gulf Coast always seem to hit a little further east than they predict. Gulf Shores was supposed to get nailed by Opal, but Pensacola got it. Ivan was supposed to destroy Mobile, but Gulf Shores to Navarre got it. New Orleans was supposed to get hit, but the eye passed over the Mississippi border.They'll talk about the unpredictable wobble, but from what I've seen over the past 10 years, the wobble is pretty f'n predictable when it hits the Gulf Coast.

 
Great. Looting on Canal Street right now on WDSU.
[silverlining]Well maybe this is actually good news.

If these people can find the time to rush down to the local PC Richard, bust some windows, and make off with a few plasma televisions, the weather can't possibly be all that bad.

[/silverlining]
So far they're stealing beer and cleaning supplies. Neighbors helping neighbors in the cleanup effort. :thumbup:
 
Mayor Ray Nagin said that 200 people were stranded on rooftops in the Lower Ninth Ward and several “bodies are floating in the water” in the Bywater neighborhood and in Eastover.
That doesn't sound good. Maybe they got hit worse than we are being led to believe.Here's hoping those bodies came from the cemetaries.

 
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The problem with the coverage this time is they played it as the ultimate. The whole Doomsday Scenario stated by Geraldo and implied by about every other reporter.Next time one come, a whole heckuva lot more people are NOT going to evacuate. This has played out before, over and over and that's why hundereds of thousands stayed home. Too many chicken little scenarios.This is one of the many things that make disaster planning and management so hard. If you warn and nothing happens, fewer people listen next time you warn. It reminds me of a broken RR crossing light that came on all the time. Never a train. A real pain. Then one night my buddy never slowed down and was killed by a train.

 
I hate the media circus surrounding it, they are trying to make an ABC movie of the week out of the hurricane instead of doing their job, reporting the actual news.
You do have point here - Geraldo's saying "THIS IS THE DOOMSDAY SCENARIO, FOLKS" and "WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A DISASTER OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS" was nauseating enough at the time, but seems even more shameful the day after. Then again, that's Geraldo.But the rest of your comments were :thumbdown: and you are right to back pedal.
Really? Geraldo is a sensationalistic hack of a reporter? :eek: This is just, Generalísimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
Oh, joking about Franco's death now. Callous ba$tards.
 
The problem with the coverage this time is they played it as the ultimate. The whole Doomsday Scenario stated by Geraldo and implied by about every other reporter.

Next time one come, a whole heckuva lot more people are NOT going to evacuate.

This has played out before, over and over and that's why hundereds of thousands stayed home. Too many chicken little scenarios.

This is one of the many things that make disaster planning and management so hard. If you warn and nothing happens, fewer people listen next time you warn. It reminds me of a broken RR crossing light that came on all the time. Never a train. A real pain. Then one night my buddy never slowed down and was killed by a train.
Thank you for wording my complaint with class, i wish you woulda done this a while back to save me from my less than stellar ability to convey my thoughts over the net.
 
Anyone in jackson that could give me any info on damage?

I am heading there tomorrow from Milwaukee and I am trying to determine how much if any damage has been done in Jackson, MS.

THANKS
I think it's going to be pretty bad. Reports are pretty sketchy, but MS has gotsen the brunt of the storm surge. I think WDSU's streaming coverage is coming from that area though, so you might be able to get more info there.
 
Mayor Ray Nagin said that 200 people were stranded on rooftops in the Lower Ninth Ward and several “bodies are floating in the water” in the Bywater neighborhood and in Eastover.
That doesn't sound good. Maybe they got hit worse than we are being led to believe.Here's hoping those bodies came from the cemetaries.
That area did get hit hard. It's about the poorest area in the city, meaning that many of the residents probably didn't have the means to get out of dodge. Hopefully the vast majority were able to at least get to a shelter.
 
Just in case anyone finds even the smallest shred of truth to Iluvbeer's fishing expedition. In Gulf Shores for the weekend, we were at a bar getting hammered Saturday night. Told my friend it would at least hit 150 mph by landfall and he told me I was a moron... that 150 was 5 mph from Cat 5. Went to bed, woke up around 9, looked out at the dock, and noticed it was almost underwater already. I went down and pulled our crab traps. Came back in and my buddy eventually woke up. Being the ####### that he is, he didn't think twice about turning on the TV when the girls were still sleeping. First thing we saw was the 175 mph wind speed listing and we were floored.Naturally we started making preparations to get out, but we still weren't "that" rushed. I couldn't imagine my feeling if I were in Louisiana or Mississippi and that same scenario played out in some way.Hell, when we left on Thursday to go to Gulf Shores, the thing was predicted to barely reach hurrican status as it took a hard right and went back into the upper Florida Gulf Coast east of Destin and PC Beach. Didn't look at the weather Friday before some guy said the storm was heading towards Gulf Shores and thought he was crazy as we were supposedly on the west side of predicted landfall. Got home later that day to find out that, sure enough, it was heading more our way.4 days of uncertainty. Mobile is supposedly underwater. I-10 Bay Bridge is flooded. Bayou LaBatre (Bubba Gump) is under 5-10 feet of water, I've heard.The water in Gulf Shores is higher from this storm than from Ivan which made landfall there.I haven't heard any reports out of Biloxi or New Orleans. Friend in Hawaii hasn't gotten a reply on his text messages to Biloxi although this probably just means all the towers or out or overloaded with traffic. Friend with future inlaws in New Orleans can't get in touch with his gf's mother who was forced to stay at the hospital as a department head.Sure, I think people are wound a little too tight in here, but there's no need to be a complete jack ### about it.BTW, I'm hoping that any looted food is toxic and that anyone else stealing in New Orleans drowns on their way home.

 
The problem with the coverage this time is they played it as the ultimate. The whole Doomsday Scenario stated by Geraldo and implied by about every other reporter.

Next time one come, a whole heckuva lot more people are NOT going to evacuate.

This has played out before, over and over and that's why hundereds of thousands stayed home. Too many chicken little scenarios.

This is one of the many things that make disaster planning and management so hard. If you warn and nothing happens, fewer people listen next time you warn. It reminds me of a broken RR crossing light that came on all the time. Never a train. A real pain. Then one night my buddy never slowed down and was killed by a train.
The Doomsday scenario wasn't started by Geraldo, since disaster planners in New Orleans have been contemplating it for over 50 years. The prediction called for a major hurricane to hit the city squarely enough to breach the Pontchartrain levees (the Miss levees aren't quite as critical), and then New Orleans becomes a cove of the lake. This one had all of the makings, but the city lucked out (relatively speaking) at the last minute when the storm took a little jog to the east.Most people who live on the gulf coast can read between the lines when hurricane warnings come out. When some very sober sources (eg Max Mayfield) come on the air and tell people to drop everything and get the hell out, they listen. This one wasn't Geraldo-driven hype, it was and is the real deal. The whole ####### east side of the city is under water.

 
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And they have to warn like they do. Good lord, this thing barely missed the city as it was. If I were a reporter and some moron started spouting off about the false warnings in front of me, I'd probably beat them to death with my microphone.

 
902mb = 4th lowest minimum pressure ever. Outside-doors are hard to close right now as it is.
You still in Mobile?If so, WHy?
No, I'm actually 15 miles west of Mobile. link

We don't expect to get much, Cat 1 winds are expected and we've been through Cat 2 winds. Parents have both been through Frederic: Cat 3 storm.
Update?Did you stay?

How are you?

 
The problem with the coverage this time is they played it as the ultimate. The whole Doomsday Scenario stated by Geraldo and implied by about every other reporter.

Next time one come, a whole heckuva lot more people are NOT going to evacuate.

This has played out before, over and over and that's why hundereds of thousands stayed home. Too many chicken little scenarios.

This is one of the many things that make disaster planning and management so hard. If you warn and nothing happens, fewer people listen next time you warn. It reminds me of a broken RR crossing light that came on all the time. Never a train. A real pain. Then one night my buddy never slowed down and was killed by a train.
The Doomsday scenario wasn't started by Geraldo, since disaster planners in New Orleans have been contemplating it for over 50 years. The prediction called for a major hurricane to hit the city squarely enough to breach the Pontchartrain levies (the Miss levies aren't quite as critical), and then New Orleans becomes a cove of the lake. This one had all of the makings, but the city lucked out (relatively speaking) at the last minute when the storm took a little jog to the east.Most people who live on the gulf coast can read between the lines when hurricane warnings come out. When some very sober sources (eg Max Mayfield) come on the air and tell people to drop everything and get the hell out, they listen. This one wasn't Geraldo-driven hype, it was and is the real deal. The whole ####### east side of the city is under water.
When the mayor of the city says, "I'll never make an evacuation notice again," and then you wake up one morning to him on the TV telling people to get the f out, it is the real deal. To the best of my knowledge he said this after they called for evacuations before Ivan last year.
 
The problem with the coverage this time is they played it as the ultimate. The whole Doomsday Scenario stated by Geraldo and implied by about every other reporter.

Next time one come, a whole heckuva lot more people are NOT going to evacuate.

This has played out before, over and over and that's why hundereds of thousands stayed home. Too many chicken little scenarios.

This is one of the many things that make disaster planning and management so hard. If you warn and nothing happens, fewer people listen next time you warn. It reminds me of a broken RR crossing light that came on all the time. Never a train. A real pain. Then one night my buddy never slowed down and was killed by a train.
:bs: I don't think too many people are going to be headed back to homes and neighborhoods pristine and untouched by the storm. I think people are going to be going back and looking at the havoc that was unleashed on NO and think "Wow, if this is what a near miss looks like, I better be real sure I am gone when the near miss doesn't miss and actually does dump Lake Ponch into NO. " They're also going to see the hell unleashed 50-75 miles to their East and think they're pretty damned lucky to have a home or a neighborhood to go back to.

 
Thank you for wording my complaint with class, i wish you woulda done this a while back to save me from my less than stellar ability to convey my thoughts over the net.
Check on dictionary.com under the word "accountability"
 
When the mayor of the city says, "I'll never make an evacuation notice again," and then you wake up one morning to him on the TV telling people to get the f out, it is the real deal. To the best of my knowledge he said this after they called for evacuations before Ivan last year.
It would certainly be interesting to hear a mayor say, "Get the f out!" ;)
 

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