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Anyone hear from Tat? He lives in Ala. I think, and I'm not too sure how close he is to this......

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I think he posted today, maybe, I don't know. :(
Birmingham may lose power for a day or so and have some downed trees. Nothing major.
And more than one hottie in short shorts will receive a manly offer of protection from a virile biologist.And shiny will watch in awe and wish he was virile.

 
The problem with the coverage this time is they played it as the ultimate. The whole Doomsday Scenario stated by Geraldo and implied by about every other reporter.

Next time one come, a whole heckuva lot more people are NOT going to evacuate.

This has played out before, over and over and that's why hundereds of thousands stayed home. Too many chicken little scenarios.

This is one of the many things that make disaster planning and management so hard. If you warn and nothing happens, fewer people listen next time you warn. It reminds me of a broken RR crossing light that came on all the time. Never a train. A real pain. Then one night my buddy never slowed down and was killed by a train.
:bs: I don't think too many people are going to be headed back to homes and neighborhoods pristine and untouched by the storm. I think people are going to be going back and looking at the havoc that was unleashed on NO and think "Wow, if this is what a near miss looks like, I better be real sure I am gone when the near miss doesn't miss and actually does dump Lake Ponch into NO. " They're also going to see the hell unleashed 50-75 miles to their East and think they're pretty damned lucky to have a home or a neighborhood to go back to.
I hope you are right.But as someone who lived on the gulf coast for 25 years and was very close to hurricane evacuation and planning (father was head of CD), many people are not that way. They get home and the house is not destroyed, they are mad. Especially if it was looted or suffered some damage they could have prevented if they were around when it happened.

In neither my previous post nor this one am I taking a side or defending a behavior. I am trying to illustrate how evacuating a city is usually a no-win proposition, unless your city is destroyed. And even then you lose, if you didn't get everyone out.

 
Anyone hear from Tat? He lives in Ala. I think, and I'm not too sure how close he is to this......

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I think he posted today, maybe, I don't know. :(
Birmingham may lose power for a day or so and have some downed trees. Nothing major.
And more than one hottie in short shorts will receive a manly offer of protection from a virile biologist.And shiny will watch in awe and wish he was virile.
not cool, dudeHer "Why does it bend to the left like that"

SP "That's my Super Doppler 'hurricane tracker' "

WTYM

 
Anyone hear from Tat? He lives in Ala. I think, and I'm not too sure how close he is to this......

:confused:
I think he posted today, maybe, I don't know. :(
Birmingham may lose power for a day or so and have some downed trees. Nothing major.
And more than one hottie in short shorts will receive a manly offer of protection from a virile biologist.And shiny will watch in awe and wish he was virile.
not cool, dudeHer "Why does it bend to the left like that"

SP "That's my Super Doppler 'hurricane tracker' "

WTYM
Only problem is, just when you you've got the storm in your sights, she tells you that there's a Small Craft Advisory and sends you on your way. :excited: :hophead: :pickle:

 
I evacuated New Orleans yesterday at noon after Mayor Nagin declared a mandatory evacuation. Leaving from Uptown, my plan was to head northeast to my parents' house in eastern Tennessee via Interstate 59. I essentially tried to outrun Katrina's outer bands. I didn't really know any people to stay with to the west or due east, and didn't have much cash on hand either. So northeast it was.

It took about 9 hours to get to Slidell via I-10 (normally would take less than an hour). It was a miserable experience sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic watching my gas gauge go down. Most gas stations were out of gas (for that matter, several stations in Uptown New Orleans were outta gas on Saturday and Sunday), but I was very lucky to find a station at the Poplarville exit in Mississippi. I was able to fill my tank just before the 10pm curfew in Poplarville, and I suspect tthat those in line behind me were turned away :( . Had I not found that gas, I would likely have tried to limp into Hattiesburg and then find a place to hunker down.

I ultimately arrived at my parents place 20 hours later (with 6 cats in tow!). Then slept a few hours before logging on here.

I am heartsick for the devastation that the folks in Biloxi, Mobile, and Gulfport have endured, but also relieved that New Orleans seems to have been spared the massive flooding that would have occurred with a more westerly landfall. Also very anxious about the situation in the Ninth Ward and the Bywater. :(

I'm now trying to get any info on the damage to my beloved city. In particular, the neighborhood where I currently live and where all my earthly possessions were abandoned (Jackson Ave and Magazine St area) and my old neighborhood in Carrollton around Oak St. BTW - yes, the Carrollton neighborhood is where tipsy's restaurant is located. Hope it's OK, tipsy.

Thank you to Ignoramus for providing links that have been valuable to me. :thumbup:

Here's a site that may be of use to those seeking the same info regarding the state of things in New Orleans: New Orleans blogger

Edit to add: Thanks to tipsy as well for the local links. When I saw that this thread was up to 30 pages, I went straight to the end for the most up-to-date info. I know, bad form...

 
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I evacuated New Orleans yesterday at noon after Mayor Nagin declared a mandatory evacuation. Leaving from Uptown, my plan was to head northeast to my parents' house in eastern Tennessee via Interstate 59. I essentially tried to outrun Katrina's outer bands. I didn't really know any people to stay with to the west or due east, and didn't have much cash on hand either. So northeast it was.

It took about 9 hours to get to Slidell via I-10 (normally would take less than an hour). It was a miserable experience sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic watching my gas gauge go down. Most gas stations were out of gas (for that matter, several stations in Uptown New Orleans were outta gas on Saturday and Sunday), but I was very lucky to find a station at the Poplarville exit in Mississippi. I was able to fill my tank just before the 10pm curfew in Poplarville, and I suspect tthat those in line behind me were turned away :( . Had I not found that gas, I would likely have tried to limp into Hattiesburg and then find a place to hunker down.

I ultimately arrived at my parents place 20 hours later (with 6 cats in tow!). Then slept a few hours before logging on here.

I am heartsick for the devastation that the folks in Biloxi, Mobile, and Gulfport have endured, but also relieved that New Orleans seems to have been spared the massive flooding that would have occurred with a more westerly landfall. Also very anxious about the situation in the Ninth Ward and the Bywater. :(

I'm now trying to get any info on the damage to my beloved city. In particular, the neighborhood where I currently live and where all my earthly possessions were abandoned (Jackson Ave and Magazine St area) and my old neighborhood in Carrollton around Oak St. BTW - yes, the Carrollton neighborhood is where tipsy's restaurant is located. Hope it's OK, tipsy.

Thank you to Ignoramus for providing links that have been valuable to me. :thumbup:

Here's a site that may be of use to those seeking the same info regarding the state of things in New Orleans: New Orleans blogger
Glad to hear you are ok. :thumbup:
 
BTW, I'm hoping that any looted food is toxic and that anyone else stealing in New Orleans drowns on their way home.
Wow. Any anthropologists in the house? We have a Neanderthal sighting.
Making fun of cavemen? Didn't Geiko teach you anything?Just pisses me off that people steal from others who are going through the same thing that they're going through. The people they're stealing from have the same problems except they got out. Don't try to tell me that they couldn't get out because there were reports of people pulling up to stores (read cars) and stealing from store owners.

If someone died stealing from me, I wouldn't feel any remorse and would be pissed if someone not involved mourned their death (outside of family).

lol @ the reaction to "get the f out." I'm not so sure it would've help any more than what the police chief said on TWC last night (paraphrase) "You need to get your a** up and get the hell out of the city."

Tat is in Birmingham as am I. Probably not that many problems here. Power loss most likely and some downed trees although I just heard something blowing down my street.

A friend got a report out of Gulf Shores a little while ago. 15+ feet means his beach house is most likely gone. Just there yesterday. Wish I had loaded more up to bring back.

 
My Dad lives in Slidell but evacuated 2 days ago to Baton Rouge. Just heard on the news that in Slidell "every house was touched". Any news out of Slidell?

 
For anyone doubting - evacuation was certainly the correct move
Yup, instead of 200-300 people stranded on rooftops the number would have been in the 1,000's....Kudos to all the officials down there. :thumbup:

 
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Has anyone mentioned the guy telling Shepard Smith to "mind his own ####### business" when he asked him how why he hadn't evacuated? :bow:

 
BTW, I'm hoping that any looted food is toxic and that anyone else stealing in New Orleans drowns on their way home.
Wow. Any anthropologists in the house? We have a Neanderthal sighting.
Making fun of cavemen? Didn't Geiko teach you anything?Just pisses me off that people steal from others who are going through the same thing that they're going through. The people they're stealing from have the same problems except they got out. Don't try to tell me that they couldn't get out because there were reports of people pulling up to stores (read cars) and stealing from store owners.

If someone died stealing from me, I wouldn't feel any remorse and would be pissed if someone not involved mourned their death (outside of family).

lol @ the reaction to "get the f out." I'm not so sure it would've help any more than what the police chief said on TWC last night (paraphrase) "You need to get your a** up and get the hell out of the city."

Tat is in Birmingham as am I. Probably not that many problems here. Power loss most likely and some downed trees although I just heard something blowing down my street.

A friend got a report out of Gulf Shores a little while ago. 15+ feet means his beach house is most likely gone. Just there yesterday. Wish I had loaded more up to bring back.
Nice save.
 
BTW, I'm hoping that any looted food is toxic and that anyone else stealing in New Orleans drowns on their way home.
Wow. Any anthropologists in the house? We have a Neanderthal sighting.
Making fun of cavemen? Didn't Geiko teach you anything?Just pisses me off that people steal from others who are going through the same thing that they're going through. The people they're stealing from have the same problems except they got out. Don't try to tell me that they couldn't get out because there were reports of people pulling up to stores (read cars) and stealing from store owners.

If someone died stealing from me, I wouldn't feel any remorse and would be pissed if someone not involved mourned their death (outside of family).

lol @ the reaction to "get the f out." I'm not so sure it would've help any more than what the police chief said on TWC last night (paraphrase) "You need to get your a** up and get the hell out of the city."

Tat is in Birmingham as am I. Probably not that many problems here. Power loss most likely and some downed trees although I just heard something blowing down my street.

A friend got a report out of Gulf Shores a little while ago. 15+ feet means his beach house is most likely gone. Just there yesterday. Wish I had loaded more up to bring back.
Nice save.
No disrespect, but I have no sympathy for anyone who loses their beach house. He has enough cash/insurance, I am sure he'll get by somehow. I will have only slightly more than that for my father who lives in Slidell.
 
No disrespect, but I have no sympathy for anyone who loses their beach house. He has enough cash/insurance, I am sure he'll get by somehow. I will have only slightly more than that for my father who lives in Slidell.
That reeks of jealousy.I feel much less sorry for someone who loses their beach house rather than their home, but let's not pretend that losing a beach house isn't going to affect a thing.
Anyone who buys a beach house in storm central knows what they're getting into.
 
Look, having no sympathy or being pissed that someone's stealing, both of these are FAR different than wishing someone was dead (see jplvr's post). My judgments.

 
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No disrespect, but I have no sympathy for anyone who loses their beach house. He has enough cash/insurance, I am sure he'll get by somehow. I will have only slightly more than that for my father who lives in Slidell.
That reeks of jealousy.I feel much less sorry for someone who loses their beach house rather than their home, but let's not pretend that losing a beach house isn't going to affect a thing.
Of course it is jealousy. I also don't feel bad for the people who build on a mountainside and it gives way. That is chance you gladly take. One I wish I could take. But stop all the whining. You should be emotionally prepared for it when you picked that site.
 
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No disrespect, but I have no sympathy for anyone who loses their beach house. He has enough cash/insurance, I am sure he'll get by somehow.  I will have only slightly more than that for my father who lives in Slidell.
That reeks of jealousy.I feel much less sorry for someone who loses their beach house rather than their home, but let's not pretend that losing a beach house isn't going to affect a thing.
Of course it is jealousy. I also don't feel bad for the people who build on a mountainside and it gives way. That is chance you gladly take. One I wish I could take. But stop all the whining. You should be emotionally prepared for it when you picked that site.
So you've got one of those fancy houses that picks you, then?
 
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The Doomsday scenario wasn't started by Geraldo, since disaster planners in New Orleans have been contemplating it for over 50 years. The prediction called for a major hurricane to hit the city squarely enough to breach the Pontchartrain levees (the Miss levees aren't quite as critical), and then New Orleans becomes a cove of the lake. This one had all of the makings, but the city lucked out (relatively speaking) at the last minute when the storm took a little jog to the east.

Most people who live on the gulf coast can read between the lines when hurricane warnings come out. When some very sober sources (eg Max Mayfield) come on the air and tell people to drop everything and get the hell out, they listen. This one wasn't Geraldo-driven hype, it was and is the real deal. The whole ####### east side of the city is under water.
Hey Shining Path! I am in Philadelphia and I was evacuated for work. I am trying to determine info about the eastern part of the city. Where did you get this info? I have seen the report of bodies floating in Eastover, but Eastover does have several lagoons, so that doesn't mean that all of eastern NO is under water.

I can not get through any phone lines to people I know in the area. I think all are safe based on their location(all moved either out of the city or evacuated north of I-12).

There are about 20 of us here, and we have heard some while stories. Arabi & the 9th ward of New Orleans, a section of the city that is south of the French Quarter, is under much water. The levee at Tennessee street, which is about 1/4 to 1/2 a mile down river from the French Quarter broke and is thought to be the cause of the flooding in the above areas.

Also, we are hearing wild looting stories. Several people claimed that they saw a filmed news story that on CNN that showed people stealing ATM Machines from grocery stores and banks!!!!!!

I just got a break from work and knew there would be something on here.

 
BTW, I'm hoping that any looted food is toxic and that anyone else stealing in New Orleans drowns on their way home.
Wow. Any anthropologists in the house? We have a Neanderthal sighting.
Kasparov, I do understand his sentiment. We have heard reports here in Philly that there have already been 50 arrests for looting. 50!!!! That just boggles the mind.

 
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I hope you are right.

But as someone who lived on the gulf coast for 25 years and was very close to hurricane evacuation and planning (father was head of CD), many people are not that way. They get home and the house is not destroyed, they are mad. Especially if it was looted or suffered some damage they could have prevented if they were around when it happened.

In neither my previous post nor this one am I taking a side or defending a behavior. I am trying to illustrate how evacuating a city is usually a no-win proposition, unless your city is destroyed. And even then you lose, if you didn't get everyone out.
Unfortunately, this is true. As of very late Saturday night, 8:30 pm. My father was not leaving. It took all three siblings to convince him to leave. It was not an easy task. Also, there are a lot of poor people who do not have the means to evacuate.

 
When i heard about the looting I envisioned some ole boys from the bayou tooling through the street of NawLins in their flatbottom boats with 50 horse Mercs dragging color tvs outa second story windows. Sorry for anyones loss just a wierd thought passing through a yankees head.

 
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Here's a site that may be of use to those seeking the same info regarding the state of things in New Orleans: New Orleans blogger

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Thanks so much for this themikus. From this I pulled this quote
City Hall confirmed a levee breach along the 17th Street Canal at Belaire Drive in Lakeview.
This is very near my father's house. He would have surely been flooded, as I expect his house is. He is 81 years old, and he would not have fared well.

 
Look, having no sympathy or being pissed that someone's stealing, both of these are FAR different than wishing someone was dead (see jplvr's post). My judgments.
Sure they are. But we have far too many people as it is. If you can clearly identify the unnecessary chaff of society, I don't feel bad about hoping they stop existing.
 
No disrespect, but I have no sympathy for anyone who loses their beach house. He has enough cash/insurance, I am sure he'll get by somehow. I will have only slightly more than that for my father who lives in Slidell.
That reeks of jealousy.I feel much less sorry for someone who loses their beach house rather than their home, but let's not pretend that losing a beach house isn't going to affect a thing.
Anyone who buys a beach house in storm central knows what they're getting into.
Anyone who drives a car has a chance they could get hit. . .doesn't make it any less sad when someone gets t-boned.
Do you honestly believe that's a good analogy?
 
For anyone doubting - evacuation was certainly the correct move
Yup, instead of 200-300 people stranded on rooftops the number would have been in the 1,000's....Kudos to all the officials down there. :thumbup:
Agreed. Mayor Nagin & Governor Blanco, along with the FEMA & Red Cross officials have done great jobs.
 
When i heard about the looting I envisioned some ole boys from the bayou tooling through the street of NawLins in their flatbottom boats with 50 horse Mercs dragging color tvs outa second story windows. Sorry for anyones loss just a wierd thought passing through a yankees head.
From the TV footage it is not some ole boys from the bayou.
 
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Here's a site that may be of use to those seeking the same info regarding the state of things in New Orleans: New Orleans blogger

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Thanks so much for this themikus. From this I pulled this quote
City Hall confirmed a levee breach along the 17th Street Canal at Belaire Drive in Lakeview.
This is very near my father's house. He would have surely been flooded, as I expect his house is. He is 81 years old, and he would not have fared well.
I hope things turned out well for your father. If I find any additional info on this part of the city, I'll post or PM to you. Any chance he went to the SuperDome?
 
Can anybody tell me the state of houses in Jefferson Parish? I have a friend from there who evacuated to Poplarville, MS. Just wondering if they still have a house, or a roof, or if there is looting in the area (Terrytown/Gretna).

 
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Here's a site that may be of use to those seeking the same info regarding the state of things in New Orleans: New Orleans blogger

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Thanks so much for this themikus. From this I pulled this quote
City Hall confirmed a levee breach along the 17th Street Canal at Belaire Drive in Lakeview.
This is very near my father's house. He would have surely been flooded, as I expect his house is. He is 81 years old, and he would not have fared well.
I hope things turned out well for your father. If I find any additional info on this part of the city, I'll post or PM to you. Any chance he went to the SuperDome?
No, he went with my brother to the Holiday Inn in Covington, north of the I-12. It is where a reporter (CNN? I believe) was also staying. She was later out on the streets and she reported that a glass shattered at the hotel, but that all occupants were in inner rooms. She did not mention anything about injuries, just that people were scared. Since it was after the eyewall had passed a few hours previously, I have a strong feeling they are unnerved, but okay. I won't be totally sure until I talk to them, which probably won't be for a while.Thanks again themikus and all others who have provided info in this thread. It is so difficult to find out reliable info.

 
A live CNN report just said that alot of the houses deep in the 9th "parish" around New Orleans are completely submerged and that only 2 boats were available for rescue use. :eek:

 
When i heard about the looting I envisioned some ole boys from the bayou tooling through the street of NawLins in their flatbottom boats with 50 horse Mercs dragging color tvs outa second story windows. Sorry for anyones loss just a wierd thought passing through a yankees head.
The showed video of some of the looting, it wasn't and ole boys from the bayou.
 
A live CNN report just said that alot of the houses deep in the 9th "parish" around New Orleans are completely submerged and that only 2 boats were available for rescue use. :eek:
I think they meant the 9th ward, which covers eastern portions of the city. From what I've heard reported, the Bywater and other neighborhoods to the East were the flooded ones.
 
Hey guys I've been out all day, can I get a quick update without having to read the 20 pages that I missed? How bad was the damage to the Superdome? I hear some of the fabric was ripped away, anything else?How high did the water rise in the bowl that is New Orleans? Is there much damage to the French Quarter?The last report I saw online was that they were calling this the most overrated storm in history, which is obviously good news, but a storm is still a storm, how bad were the damages and is it all over?

 
A live CNN report just said that alot of the houses deep in the 9th "parish" around New Orleans are completely submerged and that only 2 boats were available for rescue use.  :eek:
I think they meant the 9th ward, which covers eastern portions of the city. From what I've heard reported, the Bywater and other neighborhoods to the East were the flooded ones.
Yep, ward is what they said. Thanks. Scary to think about homes under water all the way, hope to heck that the folks got out of there prior.
 

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