Katrina (2 Viewers)

[Tiger Fan]

Just when you think it could get worse......

In my opinion, if things break right, I would try and buy as much land around the NO area as possible. The place will come back, and they will come back strong. In 5 years, things will be back to normal.

I think at this point that is sort of nieve.The economic ramifications are tremendous here. The oil business will still be there, damaged or not. But that may be the only industry left. When do ya'll really think we will have tourist dollars again? Are any of the freshman class from Tulane & Loyola even going to consider coming back? How many residents have already, or are in the process of deciding if they ever come back other than for salvage?

The fishing industry is more than likely gone...all the shrimp boats, the oyster fisherman, etc lived in areas we haven't seen one photo from...I doubt anything near the mouth of the river even exisits anymore. The I-10 twinspan is just gone...no repair..will have to be a brand new bridge. The further puts us back at risk if we go back, not to mention what that will do to commerce.

The saints will be in San Antonio for the rest of the year, unless they can come back to play in Baton Rouge...but who will go? Forget about the Hornets..they are done in NO now.

The emotions are starting to get the best of all of my family. The wife & my mom broke down hard last night. My FIL is making plans to move his family to chicago. He has 2 homes in NO he is planning on trying to sell/abandon & hope FEMA helps out.

I am planning on staying here in Pensacola and taking it easy. There are no quick descions to be made here...I did that on Saturday by getting out ahead of the evac. traffic. We have discussed, and are probably becoming more & more resolved to not move back at this point. I know in my heart the restaurant is done. It will not make any sense to reopen at this point. It would take years to recover, and we just became profitable last year after 4 years of borrowing.

At this point, we will probably either stay in NO, move to ATL, or possibly even Chicago....... Unless Joe B. offers me a job. I'd be the perfect roving reporter traveling around the country meeting all the other FBG's and watching football for a living.

So sad to hear. This is totally unreal. At least you made it out safely. Best wishes to tipsy, Tiger Fan, and everyone else in New Orleans.

Thanks Bro

 

[CrossEyed]

I hate to admit how much i want those #######s to die. I'm supposed to be a liberal, but now I want them all to die somehow. The women cops filmed looting a WalMart should be publicly flogged...William Wallace style. Its bad enough worrying about damage, and now I can only picture some ahole stealing whats left of my house & restaurant. Of course, i would be pilfering bottles of wine & booze from the restaurant too...but I have keys.

Cops looting Walmart? I think I saw the looting of the Walmart but it didn't look like anyone in uniform.

I heard about this yesterday too, but didn't see any video. Anyone have a link?

 

[Colin Dowling]

I just now checked in to this thread after I thought about Tipsy last night (not in that way ).Glad you and the family are safe. Things will get better for you, let the FFA know if you need anything.COlin

 

[Genedoc]

Just when you think it could get worse......

In my opinion, if things break right, I would try and buy as much land around the NO area as possible. The place will come back, and they will come back strong. In 5 years, things will be back to normal.

I think at this point that is sort of nieve.The economic ramifications are tremendous here. The oil business will still be there, damaged or not. But that may be the only industry left. When do ya'll really think we will have tourist dollars again? Are any of the freshman class from Tulane & Loyola even going to consider coming back? How many residents have already, or are in the process of deciding if they ever come back other than for salvage?

The fishing industry is more than likely gone...all the shrimp boats, the oyster fisherman, etc lived in areas we haven't seen one photo from...I doubt anything near the mouth of the river even exisits anymore. The I-10 twinspan is just gone...no repair..will have to be a brand new bridge. The further puts us back at risk if we go back, not to mention what that will do to commerce.

The saints will be in San Antonio for the rest of the year, unless they can come back to play in Baton Rouge...but who will go? Forget about the Hornets..they are done in NO now.

The emotions are starting to get the best of all of my family. The wife & my mom broke down hard last night. My FIL is making plans to move his family to chicago. He has 2 homes in NO he is planning on trying to sell/abandon & hope FEMA helps out.

I am planning on staying here in Pensacola and taking it easy. There are no quick descions to be made here...I did that on Saturday by getting out ahead of the evac. traffic. We have discussed, and are probably becoming more & more resolved to not move back at this point. I know in my heart the restaurant is done. It will not make any sense to reopen at this point. It would take years to recover, and we just became profitable last year after 4 years of borrowing.

At this point, we will probably either stay in NO, move to ATL, or possibly even Chicago....... Unless Joe B. offers me a job. I'd be the perfect roving reporter traveling around the country meeting all the other FBG's and watching football for a living.

I agree that this pretty much guarantees the Saints end up in Los Angeles and that Big Oil will rebuild and continue to use the area as it makes too much geographic sense for them..However, the fishing industry will come back. We're talking about one of the oldest professions in the history of mankind and the one that routinely gets knocked around by things of this nature. It'll be back.

Sucks about your restaurant. Are there plans from the SBA to step in and help small businesses in the area?

Even if you decide to move, look on the bright side and try and use it for an opportunity for you. Maybe you can start your own restaurant somewhere now.

Maybe...Pensacola needs better food... :foodsnob:

Dude, talk about casting pearls unto swine. My family has run a restaurant for 25 years. If you can survive the beginning and get to the point where you can turn a profit, you know what you are doing and can run a restaurant almost anywhere. You know the numbers as well as I do - most restaurants fail in the first year or two. That you've made it over that hump once and gotten into the black - in a town as competative as NO, nonetheless - you should have no problem doing it again if that's what you decide. Best of luck...

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

I just now checked in to this thread after I thought about Tipsy last night (not in that way ).

Glad you and the family are safe. Things will get better for you, let the FFA know if you need anything.

COlin

A job with FBG's would be nice!

 

[Ditka is God]

The problems caused by floodwaters will only get worse, according to van Heerden and the earlier tabletop exercises. For one, if the water in the city does rise to the height of levees along the lakefront, it may be difficult to open floodgates designed to keep the lake out that would now be needed to allow the lake to leave. Van Heerden said the rising floodwaters also would cause major pollution problems in coming days, as they float dozens of fuel and chemical storage tanks off their fittings, severing pipelines and allowing the material to seep into the floodwaters.

"In our surveys of the parish, a lot of the storage tanks we looked at weren't bolted down with big bolts," he said. "They rely on gravity to hold them down. If an industrial property is 5 feet below sea level and the water gets to 5 feet above sea level, that's 10 feet of water, and I'm certain many we looked at will float free.

"You'll see a lot of highly volatile stuff on the surface, and one spark and we'll have a major fire," he said.

Yikes .... that's an incredibly scary image ...

 

[JaxBill]

They declared marshall law in Jefferson earlier.  Any word on houses being looted?

Million Dollar houses on St. Charles were being looted.Karma is a ##### - especially when those looters will all either (1) drown or (2) have some nasty diseases (dissentary) over the next few days.

One can only hope.

I asked my wife “So what are all of these morons going to do with shopping carts full of clothes when they have to evacuate the city today?”Tipsy, keep your head up. You're in our thoughts and prayers. You seem to be handling this well, and you made a great decision getting out when you did.

 

[Tiger Fan]

My wife just talked to her uncle who was one of the policeman who was assigned to work the superdome. He said it was "really bad" and that he's been reassigned to rescue missions.He's on his way to Gentilly to try to find some people reported missing.

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

Just when you think it could get worse......

In my opinion, if things break right, I would try and buy as much land around the NO area as possible. The place will come back, and they will come back strong. In 5 years, things will be back to normal.

I think at this point that is sort of nieve.The economic ramifications are tremendous here. The oil business will still be there, damaged or not. But that may be the only industry left. When do ya'll really think we will have tourist dollars again? Are any of the freshman class from Tulane & Loyola even going to consider coming back? How many residents have already, or are in the process of deciding if they ever come back other than for salvage?

The fishing industry is more than likely gone...all the shrimp boats, the oyster fisherman, etc lived in areas we haven't seen one photo from...I doubt anything near the mouth of the river even exisits anymore. The I-10 twinspan is just gone...no repair..will have to be a brand new bridge. The further puts us back at risk if we go back, not to mention what that will do to commerce.

The saints will be in San Antonio for the rest of the year, unless they can come back to play in Baton Rouge...but who will go? Forget about the Hornets..they are done in NO now.

The emotions are starting to get the best of all of my family. The wife & my mom broke down hard last night. My FIL is making plans to move his family to chicago. He has 2 homes in NO he is planning on trying to sell/abandon & hope FEMA helps out.

I am planning on staying here in Pensacola and taking it easy. There are no quick descions to be made here...I did that on Saturday by getting out ahead of the evac. traffic. We have discussed, and are probably becoming more & more resolved to not move back at this point. I know in my heart the restaurant is done. It will not make any sense to reopen at this point. It would take years to recover, and we just became profitable last year after 4 years of borrowing.

At this point, we will probably either stay in NO, move to ATL, or possibly even Chicago....... Unless Joe B. offers me a job. I'd be the perfect roving reporter traveling around the country meeting all the other FBG's and watching football for a living.

I agree that this pretty much guarantees the Saints end up in Los Angeles and that Big Oil will rebuild and continue to use the area as it makes too much geographic sense for them..However, the fishing industry will come back. We're talking about one of the oldest professions in the history of mankind and the one that routinely gets knocked around by things of this nature. It'll be back.

Sucks about your restaurant. Are there plans from the SBA to step in and help small businesses in the area?

Even if you decide to move, look on the bright side and try and use it for an opportunity for you. Maybe you can start your own restaurant somewhere now.

Maybe...Pensacola needs better food... :foodsnob:

Dude, talk about casting pearls unto swine. My family has run a restaurant for 25 years. If you can survive the beginning and get to the point where you can turn a profit, you know what you are doing and can run a restaurant almost anywhere. You know the numbers as well as I do - most restaurants fail in the first year or two. That you've made it over that hump once and gotten into the black - in a town as competative as NO, nonetheless - you should have no problem doing it again if that's what you decide. Best of luck...

To early to really consider it, but I would rule this city food wise.

 

[jplvr]

They declared marshall law in Jefferson earlier.  Any word on houses being looted?

Million Dollar houses on St. Charles were being looted.Karma is a ##### - especially when those looters will all either (1) drown or (2) have some nasty diseases (dissentary) over the next few days.

One can only hope.

I hate to admit how much i want those #######s to die. I'm supposed to be a liberal, but now I want them all to die somehow. The women cops filmed looting a WalMart should be publicly flogged...William Wallace style. Its bad enough worrying about damage, and now I can only picture some ahole stealing whats left of my house & restaurant. Of course, i would be pilfering bottles of wine & booze from the restaurant too...but I have keys.

Yeah, I'm glad I never saw that with the cops participating in the looting. I'd probably have a hole in my TV at home.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Reread it: Should have said "the women looters that the cops were filming"

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

Reread it: Should have said "the women looters that the cops were filming"

no.....women cops doing the looting...two really fat lady cops. I could almost see one of their nametags...

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

I just now checked in to this thread after I thought about Tipsy last night

COlin

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

UNDER WATER

LEVEE BREACH SWAMPS CITY FROM LAKE TO RIVER

Population urged to leave; years of cleanup ahead

August 31, 2005

By Dan Shea

Staff writer

New Orleans became an unimaginable scene of water, fear and suffering Tuesday after a levee breach in the 17th Street Canal sent billions of gallons of Lake Pontchartrain coursing through the city.

As the day wore on, the only dry land was a narrow band from the French Quarter and parts of Uptown, the same small strip that was settled by Bienville amid the swamps.

On Tuesday night, it appeared the city was returning to swamp when a daylong effort to shore the levee near the Hammond Highway failed.

Mayor Ray Nagin said pumps were being overwhelmed and warned that a new deluge would bury the city in up to 15 feet of water.

With solid water from the lake to the French Quarter, the inundation and depopulation of an entire American city was at hand.

"Truth to tell, we're not to far from filling in the bowl," said Terry Ebbert, the city's director of homeland security. The waters were still rising at 3 inches per hour, and eventually could move close to the French Quarter levee.

Although the breach occurred on the Orleans side of the canal, it did not spare the Jefferson side. Water found its way into much of the east bank, meeting the flow that came in from the west from Hurricane Katrina's storm surge Monday.

An accurate tally of death was hard to determine. Five deaths related to Katrina have been confirmed in Jefferson Parish, officials said. There also are seven people missing who decided to ride out Katrina on Grand Isle.

Gov. Kathleen Blanco spoke of "many deaths," but there were only rumors and anecdotes of firefighters tying floating bodies to trees.

"We have some bodies floating," Ebbert said. "Not like thousands, but we have seen some." As to the living, with the absence of cars and electric motors in the powerless city, a sad tableau played itself out in an eerie quiet.

All day, a weary army of storm victims trudged through waist-deep muddy water toward the Superdome, where more than 20,000 people took refuge. The next problem is what to do with them. Late Tuesday Gov. Blanco ordered them out, saying the facility was too damaged to house people and the atmosphere too dangerous. Officials said the National Guard soon would begin driving them out to dry ground, then airlift them out of southeast Louisiana.

In other areas, lawlessness took hold.

The giant new Wal-Mart in the Lower Garden District was looted, after a limited distribution of supplies broke down in chaos. The entire gun collection was taken.

"There are gangs of armed men in the city moving around the city," Ebbert said.

One looter shot a New Orleans police officer, who was in critical condition with a head wound.

Although local police focused solely on rescue, a call for help was answered by swarms of deputies from western Louisiana parishes.

But cops on the street, cut off from their superiors by a failure of the communications system, complained of chaos.

"Put this in your paper," one officer on Canal Street said. "They told us nothing. We were unprepared. We are completely on our own.''

If it wasn't coordinated, the rescue was heroic.

Firefighters, police and Coast Guardsmen waded through water and climbed to roofs.

"We've got boats everywhere," said Capt. Tim Bayard of the New Orleans Police Department.

"We're going to try and get who we can get and take them to higher ground. We may have to come back for some."

There were joined by an armada of Louisiana sportsmen in flat-bottomed boats, who responded to an appeal for help.

Ferdinand Emory rescued about 100 people, ten at a time in his boat. Ebbert estimated 1,500 to 2,000 people were saved in Lakeview and Mid-City.

But rescue from the water didn't mean an end to misery. They were simply dropped off at the few stretches of dry ground, overpasses and parking lots along Metairie Ridge.

Aleck Scallan, 63, a parapelgic, was ferried in a boat from his Lakeview home. But he had been sitting for more than six hours on an overpass, with no clear indication when he and scores of others would be picked up.

Along the Metairie Road railroad embankment, the only passage through two parishes, people wandered aimlessly, along with dogs and cats that headed for high ground.

After the rescue effort, the next priority is trying to heal the breach. Ebbert said plans called for giant panels to be dropped in place in place by helicopter, accompanied by

50, 3,000-pound sandbags. Next the Interstate 10 underpass under the railroad trestle would have to be drained, after the giant new pumping station uttlerly failed its first test.

That would give disaster recovery teams open access to the city from the west.

The failure of the Industrial Canal levee created massive flooding in St. Bernard and the 9th Ward on Monday.

Estimates on when the city would become habitable again ranged from two weeks to months.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The people being evacuated from the Superdome are being boated then bussed to the Astrodome - from the local news link on the front page.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Anyone hear anything on a breach that is about to occur due to the lake? This link was making reference that the mayor said that they are expecting Lake Pontch to rush about 9 feet of water into the city as the northern portion of the lake surges into the city side.

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

Anyone hear anything on a breach that is about to occur due to the lake? This link was making reference that the mayor said that they are expecting Lake Pontch to rush about 9 feet of water into the city as the northern portion of the lake surges into the city side.

this has been happening for 2 days now...the flow is about 3 in an hour.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Anyone hear anything on a breach that is about to occur due to the lake?  This link was making reference that the mayor said that they are expecting Lake Pontch to rush about 9 feet of water into the city as the northern portion of the lake surges into the city side.

this has been happening for 2 days now...the flow is about 3 in an hour.

I know - but they made it sound as if a specific new surge was going to happen soon - not just a continuation of the current breaches.

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

Anyone hear anything on a breach that is about to occur due to the lake? This link was making reference that the mayor said that they are expecting Lake Pontch to rush about 9 feet of water into the city as the northern portion of the lake surges into the city side.

this has been happening for 2 days now...the flow is about 3 in an hour.

I know - but they made it sound as if a specific new surge was going to happen soon - not just a continuation of the current breaches.

all that water could be weakening the rest of the levee system i guess. the lake isn't boing to stop until it equalizes its level with the rest of the city.

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

Governor: Everyone must leave New Orleans

8/31/2005, 8:58 a.m. CT

By BRETT MARTEL

The Associated Press

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — The governor of Louisiana says everyone needs to leave New Orleans due to flooding from Hurricane Katrina. "We've sent buses in. We will be either loading them by boat, helicopter, anything that is necessary," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said. Army engineers struggled without success to plug New Orleans' breached levees with giant sandbags, and the governor said Wednesday the situation was worsening and there was no choice but to abandon the flooded city.

"The challenge is an engineering nightmare," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said on ABC's "Good Morning America." "The National Guard has been dropping sandbags into it, but it's like dropping it into a black hole."

As the waters continued to rise in New Orleans, four Navy ships raced toward the Gulf Coast with drinking water and other emergency supplies, and Red Cross workers from across the country converged on the devastated region. The Red Cross reported it had about 40,000 people in 200 shelters across the area in one of the biggest urban disasters the nation has ever seen.

The death toll from Hurricane Katrina reached at least 110 in Mississippi alone, while Louisiana put aside the counting of the dead to concentrate on rescuing the living, many of whom were still trapped on rooftops and in attics.

A full day after the Big Easy thought it had escaped Katrina's full fury, two levees broke and spilled water into the streets on Tuesday, swamping an estimated 80 percent of the bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, inundating miles and miles of homes and rendering much of New Orleans uninhabitable for weeks or months.

"We are looking at 12 to 16 weeks before people can come in :( ," Mayor Ray Nagin said on ABC's "Good Morning America, "and the other issue that's concerning me is have dead bodies in the water. At some point in time the dead bodies are going to start to create a serious disease issue."

Blanco said she wanted the Superdome — which had become a shelter of last resort for about 20,000 people — evacuated within two days, along with other gathering points for storm refugees. The situation inside the dank and sweltering Superdome was becoming desperate: The water was rising, the air conditioning was out, toilets were broken, and tempers were rising.

At the same time, sections of Interstate 10, the only major freeway leading into New Orleans from the east, lay shattered, dozens of huge slabs of concrete floating in the floodwaters. I-10 is the only route for commercial trucking across southern Louisiana.

The sweltering city of 480,000 people — an estimated 80 percent of whom obeyed orders to evacuate as Katrina closed in over the weekend — also had no drinkable water, the electricity could be out for weeks, and looters were ransacking stores around town.

"The logistical problems are impossible and we have to evacuate people in shelters," the governor said. "It's becoming untenable. There's no power. It's getting more difficult to get food and water supplies in, just basic essentials."

She gave no details on exactly where the refugees would be taken. But in Houston, Rusty Cornelius, a county emergency official, said at least 25,000 of them would travel in a bus convoy to Houston starting Wednesday and would be sheltered at the 40-year-old Astrodome, which is no longer used for professional sporting events.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise ships, in tent cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating dormitories — boats the agency uses to house its own employees.

To repair one of the levees holding back Lake Pontchartrain, officials late Tuesday dropped 3,000-pound sandbags from helicopters and hauled dozens of 15-foot concrete barriers into the breach. Maj. Gen. Don Riley of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said officials also had a more audacious plan: finding a barge to plug the 500-foot hole.

Riley said it could take close to a month to get the water out of the city. If the water rises a few feet higher, it could also wipe out the water system for the whole city, said New Orleans' homeland security chief, Terry Ebbert.

A helicopter view of the devastation over Louisiana and Mississippi revealed people standing on black rooftops, baking in the sunshine while waiting for rescue boats.

"I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago," said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction by air Tuesday.

All day long, rescuers in boats and helicopters plucked bedraggled flood refugees from rooftops and attics. Louisiana Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu said 3,000 people have been rescued by boat and air, some placed shivering and wet into helicopter baskets. They were brought by the truckload into shelters, some in wheelchairs and some carrying babies, with stories of survival and of those who didn't make it.

"Oh my God, it was hell," said Kioka Williams, who had to hack through the ceiling of the beauty shop where she worked as floodwaters rose in New Orleans' low-lying Ninth Ward. "We were screaming, hollering, flashing lights. It was complete chaos."

Looting broke out in some New Orleans neighborhoods, prompting authorities to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed personnel carrier into the city. One police officer was shot in the head by a looter but was expected to recover, authorities said.

A giant new Wal-Mart in New Orleans was looted, and the entire gun collection was taken, The Times-Picayune newspaper reported. "There are gangs of armed men in the city moving around the city," said Ebbert, the city's homeland security chief. Also, looters tried to break into Children's Hospital, the governor's office said.

On New Orleans' Canal Street, dozens of looters ripped open the steel gates on clothing and jewelry stores and grabbed merchandise. In Biloxi, Miss., people picked through casino slot machines for coins and ransacked other businesses. In some cases, the looting took place in full view of police and National Guardsmen.

Blanco acknowledged that looting was a severe problem but said that officials had to focus on survivors. "We don't like looters one bit, but first and foremost is search and rescue," she said.

Officials said it was simply too early to estimate a death toll. One Mississippi county alone said it had suffered at least 100 deaths, and officials are "very, very worried that this is going to go a lot higher," said Joe Spraggins, civil defense director for Harrison County, home to Biloxi and Gulfport. In neighboring Jackson County, officials said at least 10 deaths were blamed on the storm.

Several of the dead in Harrison County were from a beachfront apartment building that collapsed under a 25-foot wall of water as Hurricane Katrina slammed the Gulf Coast with 145-mph winds Monday. Louisiana officials said many were feared dead there, too, making Katrina one of the most punishing storms to hit the United States in decades.

Blanco asked residents to spend Wednesday in prayer.

"That would be the best thing to calm our spirits and thank our Lord that we are survivors," she said. "Slowly, gradually, we will recover; we will survive; we will rebuild."

Across Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, more than 1 million residents remained without electricity, some without clean drinking water. Officials said it could be weeks, if not months, before most evacuees will be able to return.

Emergency medical teams from across the country were sent into the region and President Bush cut short his Texas vacation Tuesday to return to Washington to focus on the storm damage.

Also, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from federal petroleum reserves to help refiners whose supply was disrupted by Katrina. The announcement helped push oil prices lower.

Katrina, which was downgraded to a tropical depression, packed winds around 30 mph as it moved through the Ohio Valley early Wednesday, with the potential to dump 8 inches of rain and spin off deadly tornadoes.

The remnants of Katrina spawned bands of storms and tornadoes across Georgia that caused at least two deaths, multiple injuries and leveled dozens of buildings. A tornado damaged 13 homes near Marshall, Va.

___

Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Allen G. Breed, Adam Nossiter and Jay Reeves contributed to this report.

 

[Statorama]

Reread it: Should have said "the women looters that the cops were filming"

no.....women cops doing the looting...two really fat lady cops. I could almost see one of their nametags...

Is it possible that they were security guards? Their uniforms didn't seem to be the traditional New Orleans police department unies.

 

[Fiddles.]

Tipsy if it gets to the point where you are serious about Atlanta let me know. I could help with getting the resume out and whatever else you need. I am having a difficult time not being depressed. I can't imagine what you are going through. Everyone is pulling for you and the rest of our displaced coastal brethren.

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

Tipsy if it gets to the point where you are serious about Atlanta let me know. I could help with getting the resume out and whatever else you need. I am having a difficult time not being depressed. I can't imagine what you are going through.

Everyone is pulling for you and the rest of our displaced coastal brethren.

Cool. Moving off the coast will probably be the best choice. I just have free place to stay & most of my family in Pensacola. Lots of friends in the ATL though...I even lived there once.

Luckily, i saved my resume in my GMAIL account, so i don't have to start from scratch there too.

 

[Wingnut]

Tipsy if it gets to the point where you are serious about Atlanta let me know. I could help with getting the resume out and whatever else you need. I am having a difficult time not being depressed. I can't imagine what you are going through.

Everyone is pulling for you and the rest of our displaced coastal brethren.

Cool. Moving off the coast will probably be the best choice. I just have free place to stay & most of my family in Pensacola. Lots of friends in the ATL though...I even lived there once.

Luckily, i saved my resume in my GMAIL account, so i don't have to start from scratch there too.

Move on down to Tampa or Orlando!!!

 

[rolyaTy]

Tipsy if it gets to the point where you are serious about Atlanta let me know.  I could help with getting the resume out and whatever else you need.    I am having a difficult time not being depressed.  I can't imagine what you are going through.

Everyone is pulling for you and the rest of our displaced coastal brethren.

Cool. Moving off the coast will probably be the best choice. I just have free place to stay & most of my family in Pensacola. Lots of friends in the ATL though...I even lived there once.

Luckily, i saved my resume in my GMAIL account, so i don't have to start from scratch there too.

Move on down to Tampa or Orlando!!!

Out of the frying pan...

 

[Mr.Happy]

I want to see TF move in with Cappy. Things will go great for a month, until they start talking about college football.

 

[FatMax]

Reread it: Should have said "the women looters that the cops were filming"

no.....women cops doing the looting...two really fat lady cops. I could almost see one of their nametags...

And what were they stealing?A whole cart full of f'n shoes. Lord knows the need to accessorize during a natural disaster.

 

[Tiger Fan]

I want to see TF move in with Cappy. Things will go great for a month, until they start talking about college football.

 

[Wingnut]

I remember going there as a kid every few years when I was between 6 and 12 years old. My grandfather would get shrimp, crawfish and live crabs and boil them up and cover the kitchen table with newspaper and would teach me how to pick crabs, pinch tails and peel shrimp...Its where I developed my taste for all seafood. My grandmother made beans and rice and gumbo every week, and we ate breakfast, dinner and supper, NOT breakfast, lunch and dinner. Went to the Superdome to see Archie Manning lead the Saints to a loss at the hands of my then home-team, the LA Rams. Took a riverboat ride at dusk down the mighty Mississip.....Man I have alot of great memories of that city as a kid, and I have great memories from going there as an adult and really getting to see what the city has to offer. They had the best food, music, and partying any city has to offer.

Sorry for the trip down memory lane, but it felt good to rehash some good times I had in the city. New Orleans will always be a special place to me, no matter what happens and how it turns out. I just hope the loss of life is kept to a minimum, as almost all hope of salvaging anything more seems all but gone.

:(

Thank you for that - I've lived in NOLA for the last 12 years. In the last 4 or 5 I finally got it. There's no place like it, and I fear it will never be the same. Frankly, I don't expect most people to "get" what New Orleans was about, because you sorta have to live here a while and soak up the food, music, architecture, history, and vibe. And I'm not being elitist about the new orleans thing.I dunno, I guess I'm in shock - I doubt I'll have the opportunity to go back and get some of my "prized possessions" from my abandoned apartment, including some pets that I was simply unable gather up when it was time to head out. And, adding to the uncertainty and sick-stomach-feeling, I can't establish whether certain friends and co-workers got out of town in a timely manner. Ugh.

GB everyone down there right now, those clinging to life, and those working to save the poor souls in dire straits.

Damn. I cant imagine having to decide what to take and what to leave...including pets...Hang in there, all you can do now is wait....

 

[Capella]

I want to see TF move in with Cappy. Things will go great for a month, until they start talking about college football.

TF's wife is hot. They're She's welcome at my place.

 

[Sidewinder]

I remember going there as a kid every few years when I was between 6 and 12 years old. My grandfather  would get shrimp, crawfish and live crabs and boil them up and cover the kitchen table with newspaper and would teach me how to pick crabs, pinch tails and peel shrimp...Its where I developed my taste for all seafood. My grandmother made beans and rice and gumbo every week, and we ate breakfast, dinner and supper, NOT breakfast, lunch and dinner. Went to the Superdome to see Archie Manning lead the Saints to a loss at the hands of my then home-team, the LA Rams. Took a riverboat ride at dusk down the mighty Mississip.....Man I have alot of great memories of that city as a kid, and I have great memories from going there as an adult and really getting to see what the city has to offer. They had the best food, music, and partying any city has to offer.

Sorry for the trip down memory lane, but it felt good to rehash some good times I had in the city. New Orleans will always be a special place to me, no matter what happens and how it turns out. I just hope the loss of life is kept to a minimum, as almost all hope of salvaging anything more seems all but gone.

:(

Thank you for that - I've lived in NOLA for the last 12 years. In the last 4 or 5 I finally got it. There's no place like it, and I fear it will never be the same. Frankly, I don't expect most people to "get" what New Orleans was about, because you sorta have to live here a while and soak up the food, music, architecture, history, and vibe. And I'm not being elitist about the new orleans thing.I dunno, I guess I'm in shock - I doubt I'll have the opportunity to go back and get some of my "prized possessions" from my abandoned apartment, including some pets that I was simply unable gather up when it was time to head out. And, adding to the uncertainty and sick-stomach-feeling, I can't establish whether certain friends and co-workers got out of town in a timely manner. Ugh.

GB everyone down there right now, those clinging to life, and those working to save the poor souls in dire straits.

Damn. I cant imagine having to decide what to take and what to leave...including pets...Hang in there, all you can do now is wait....

Great posts ! After 10 years in Uptown, we moved away from NOLA about 2 years ago (to Destin, FL area). We like it here, but nothing will ever compare to the time we lived in the city.

 

[Wheelhouse]

I remember hearing on the news prior to the storm hitting that evacuations were mandatory for New Orleans, but what about areas like Mobile, Biloxi and Gulfport? How much evacuation was expected from those areas? I still can't believe how widespread the damage was. We're talking like a 65-70 mile swath of destruction.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Anyone in the Tupelo MS area, or anyone seen any news about the area?  I know most of the devastation and news coverage was down on the coast, and anywhere north of there got "sloppy seconds", but I would imagine there was still a lot of wind and rain there as well.My wife has family there, but isn't too concerned or she'd have been on the phone by now.  Or should she start dialing? TIA

Gee, why not just call the relatives if you're worried? Just an FYI, there is info out there regarding the hurricane path through more northerly locales. I've seen it on television in TN. Google is your pal. But the cellphone may give you the info you seek more quickly. The very difficult situation I am facing is that cellphone lines in the New Orleans area are overwhelmed right now. I'd expect that is the case for the most of the Gulf coast right now. Maybe this is not the case in more northerly locales.

Gee, why not stop acting like an ###? As I said, we aren't that worried. I just thought there are folks in this thread that have followed this story very closely, and might have the info I requested at their fingertips. If you yourself don't have it, then #### instead of jumping down my throat.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Reread it: Should have said "the women looters that the cops were filming"

no.....women cops doing the looting...two really fat lady cops. I could almost see one of their nametags...

Is it possible that they were security guards? Their uniforms didn't seem to be the traditional New Orleans police department unies.

I thought they looked like security guards too.

 

[Mrs. BSR]

I got very little work done yesterday as I had a difficult time pulling myself away from this thread.I was very frustrated last night as I couldn't find sufficiant coverage, even from the Weather Channel. I got more information here than I ever could have yesterday if I had been watching the news all day. I wanted to show BSR some of the stuff you guys talked about in here yesterday but couldn't find any news station to give enough attention to it.This is horrible and extremely depressing. It's difficult to think of anything besides what is happening on the other side of the country (for me at least since I'm on the west coast). As I've said before, this is surreal.Tipsy, Tiger Fan and the rest of you that live in these areas, my thoughts and prayers are with you. I'm so sorry for your loss. I keep hoping for the best and yet it just keeps getting worse. I believe you have the support of every FBG here.

 

[culdeus]

# Consumers can expect retail gas prices to rise to $4 a gallon in the near future, Ben Brockwell, director of pricing at the Oil Price Information Service, said Wednesday. "There's no question gas will hit $4 a gallon," he said. "The question is how high will it go and how long will it last?"

Looks like it's time to start riding my bike to work.

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

Reread it: Should have said "the women looters that the cops were filming"

no.....women cops doing the looting...two really fat lady cops. I could almost see one of their nametags...

Is it possible that they were security guards? Their uniforms didn't seem to be the traditional New Orleans police department unies.

I thought they looked like security guards too.

they were NOPD. i saw them with my own eyes on tv.

 

[Sidewinder]

Jesus, wwltv.com streaming live just reported water is rapidly rising in Uptown. Areas that were totally dry yesterday. They specifically mentioned St Charles at Jefferson.

 

[whoknew]

Interview with an administrator in Jefferson Parish on WWL. He said the water is rising, the shelters are overflowing with people and they have no food nor water.

 

[Squirrels]

This link has elevation maps of the city and neighborhoods. My house is right above the "S" in Tchoupitoulas St. on the Uptown side. I've heard that my house suffered little to no damage from the wind, now it's wait and see if the water does what Katrina didn't.

Link

edit: I misread the map, I'm a few blocks over.

 

[Mrs. BSR]

This link has elevation maps of the city and neighborhoods. My house is right above the "T" in Tchoupitoulas St. on the Uptown side. I've heard that my house suffered little to no damage from the wind, now it's wait and see if the water does what Katrina didn't.Link

I hope that your house survives and that you have something to go back to.

 

[Wingnut]

CNN just said that the water level may have crested......

 

[Tiger Fan]

I got very little work done yesterday as I had a difficult time pulling myself away from this thread.

I was very frustrated last night as I couldn't find sufficiant coverage, even from the Weather Channel. I got more information here than I ever could have yesterday if I had been watching the news all day. I wanted to show BSR some of the stuff you guys talked about in here yesterday but couldn't find any news station to give enough attention to it.

This is horrible and extremely depressing. It's difficult to think of anything besides what is happening on the other side of the country (for me at least since I'm on the west coast). As I've said before, this is surreal.

Tipsy, Tiger Fan and the rest of you that live in these areas, my thoughts and prayers are with you. I'm so sorry for your loss. I keep hoping for the best and yet it just keeps getting worse. I believe you have the support of every FBG here.

Thanks Msrs. BSRwww.wwltv.com has the best coverage. They have a live feed

 

[Mrs. BSR]

I got very little work done yesterday as I had a difficult time pulling myself away from this thread.

I was very frustrated last night as I couldn't find sufficiant coverage, even from the Weather Channel. I got more information here than I ever could have yesterday if I had been watching the news all day. I wanted to show BSR some of the stuff you guys talked about in here yesterday but couldn't find any news station to give enough attention to it.

This is horrible and extremely depressing. It's difficult to think of anything besides what is happening on the other side of the country (for me at least since I'm on the west coast). As I've said before, this is surreal.

Tipsy, Tiger Fan and the rest of you that live in these areas, my thoughts and prayers are with you. I'm so sorry for your loss. I keep hoping for the best and yet it just keeps getting worse. I believe you have the support of every FBG here.

Thanks Msrs. BSRwww.wwltv.com has the best coverage. They have a live feed

I'm listening to that right now. Please take care.

 

[Keerock]

Tipsy if it gets to the point where you are serious about Atlanta let me know.  I could help with getting the resume out and whatever else you need.    I am having a difficult time not being depressed.  I can't imagine what you are going through.

Everyone is pulling for you and the rest of our displaced coastal brethren.

Cool. Moving off the coast will probably be the best choice. I just have free place to stay & most of my family in Pensacola. Lots of friends in the ATL though...I even lived there once.

Luckily, i saved my resume in my GMAIL account, so i don't have to start from scratch there too.

Come to MI dude... great place to live! We could use a good cajun restaurant around here

 

[Doug B]

Tipsy, you could always consider moving to Baton Rouge. It's a very good food town, IMHO, and could accomodate your skill set pretty well.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Tipsy, you could always consider moving to Baton Rouge. It's a very good food town, IMHO, and could accomodate your skill set pretty well.

Baton Rouge is overflowing right now. If you own land - you're a rich man

 

[Wingnut]

The water has is no longer rising and is slowly receding....if only a bit...The lake has dropped 2 feet since yesterday.

 

[Squirrels]

This link has elevation maps of the city and neighborhoods. My house is right above the "T" in Tchoupitoulas St. on the Uptown side. I've heard that my house suffered little to no damage from the wind, now it's wait and see if the water does what Katrina didn't.Link

I hope that your house survives and that you have something to go back to.

Thanks, Mrs. BSR.FYI, Tipsy's house is located right about the "k" in Black Pearl.

Domepatrol's house is located on the eastern edge of the area called Dixon. Fortunately he's on the second floor of a very tall house. It will be close.

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

Just when you think it could get worse......

In my opinion, if things break right, I would try and buy as much land around the NO area as possible. The place will come back, and they will come back strong. In 5 years, things will be back to normal.

I think at this point that is sort of nieve.The economic ramifications are tremendous here. The oil business will still be there, damaged or not. But that may be the only industry left. When do ya'll really think we will have tourist dollars again? Are any of the freshman class from Tulane & Loyola even going to consider coming back? How many residents have already, or are in the process of deciding if they ever come back other than for salvage?

The fishing industry is more than likely gone...all the shrimp boats, the oyster fisherman, etc lived in areas we haven't seen one photo from...I doubt anything near the mouth of the river even exisits anymore. The I-10 twinspan is just gone...no repair..will have to be a brand new bridge. The further puts us back at risk if we go back, not to mention what that will do to commerce.

The saints will be in San Antonio for the rest of the year, unless they can come back to play in Baton Rouge...but who will go? Forget about the Hornets..they are done in NO now.

The emotions are starting to get the best of all of my family. The wife & my mom broke down hard last night. My FIL is making plans to move his family to chicago. He has 2 homes in NO he is planning on trying to sell/abandon & hope FEMA helps out.

I am planning on staying here in Pensacola and taking it easy. There are no quick descions to be made here...I did that on Saturday by getting out ahead of the evac. traffic. We have discussed, and are probably becoming more & more resolved to not move back at this point. I know in my heart the restaurant is done. It will not make any sense to reopen at this point. It would take years to recover, and we just became profitable last year after 4 years of borrowing.

At this point, we will probably either stay in NO, move to ATL, or possibly even Chicago....... Unless Joe B. offers me a job. I'd be the perfect roving reporter traveling around the country meeting all the other FBG's and watching football for a living.

I agree that this pretty much guarantees the Saints end up in Los Angeles and that Big Oil will rebuild and continue to use the area as it makes too much geographic sense for them..However, the fishing industry will come back. We're talking about one of the oldest professions in the history of mankind and the one that routinely gets knocked around by things of this nature. It'll be back.

Sucks about your restaurant. Are there plans from the SBA to step in and help small businesses in the area?

Even if you decide to move, look on the bright side and try and use it for an opportunity for you. Maybe you can start your own restaurant somewhere now.

Maybe...Pensacola needs better food... :foodsnob:

Dude, talk about casting pearls unto swine. My family has run a restaurant for 25 years. If you can survive the beginning and get to the point where you can turn a profit, you know what you are doing and can run a restaurant almost anywhere. You know the numbers as well as I do - most restaurants fail in the first year or two. That you've made it over that hump once and gotten into the black - in a town as competative as NO, nonetheless - you should have no problem doing it again if that's what you decide. Best of luck...

To early to really consider it, but I would rule this city food wise.

I've got plenty of family to support your new place if you end up in Chicago.And my sister-in-law works for Apartments.com in Chicago. So maybe we could even find you a place, eh?