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Couch Potato
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Why would they be forced to dress him? There's always a RB out there somewhere looking for work. The best thing they could do is lose the rest of their games anyway and help their draft position.Seeing Ron Dayne, Mike Bell, Tatum Bell, some rookie, etc. is a more likely than seeing LJ again this year.
Is there really talk that he might be deactivated the rest of the year? Charles would be a huge pickup based on their schedule.Week 10 SDWeek 11 NOWeek 12 BUFWeek 13 OakWeek 14 DenWeek 15 SDWeek 16 MIAWeek 17 CINThere is a few very nice matchups in there...
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
For the record, there are two other RBs on the team....Dantrell Savage, who also returns kicks, and they just re-signed Jackie Battle, who was on the team late in 2007.
Dancing Bear
Footballguy
It's looking like **** Vermeil called this one correct, right out the gate!
dundeeslugger
Footballguy
Charles is better then LJ, so no they don't need him.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
we can't expect much from Dantrell Savage.
I was SUPER HYPED to see him at the Senior Bowl last year and he looked bad. Hesitant, he ran small, got swallowed up by the d on nearly every carry. Dropped passes and looked LOST.
Battle we got to see at the Shrine Game 2 years ago, and he's a bruising 'tweener with decent hands. I don't expect much from either back. I'd like Savage to have a nice pro career - because I liked him for OkSU - but based on up close and personal in Mobile = :X
I was SUPER HYPED to see him at the Senior Bowl last year and he looked bad. Hesitant, he ran small, got swallowed up by the d on nearly every carry. Dropped passes and looked LOST.
Battle we got to see at the Shrine Game 2 years ago, and he's a bruising 'tweener with decent hands. I don't expect much from either back. I'd like Savage to have a nice pro career - because I liked him for OkSU - but based on up close and personal in Mobile = :X
Are you joking? The best thing isn't to lose all your games, and go 1-15. That's actually, a nightmare. This isn't FF. This is the NFL. First of all the top pick is a disaster. You have to give a college kid 70 mil, no one wants the 1st pick. You tie up 9% of your cap on a kid who's never played a snap in the NFL. There's a reason no one wants to trade up.Not only that, you don't want the loser stank on your organization. You don't want to build a losing culture. That kind of stuff takes years and a new coach to get rid of. Then you look at season tickets, fan support, just generally good mojo for your team/organization. Not to mention rookies. 1-15? Are you kidding? If the Chiefs can go 4-4 the next 8 games, it would be a nice boost to the franchise. They are VERY young. Going 0-8 the next 8 games would be an epic disaster and trust me, no one in the organization is "hoping" for that. And yes, the Chiefs need to run LJ into the ground to avoid being the joke of the NFL.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
What do they NEED him for? Are they making a playoff run I don't know about? They're one of the few teams like the Lions and Bengals that don't NEED anyone in particular, their season is over and they can look and what players they plan on bringing back next year.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Do you have a link about LJ possibly being inactive for the rest of the year?Thanks.Payne said:
None. Just speculation on this board after Peterson made the comment about LJ not being on the field in the "near future".
The Jacket
Footballguy
What they need to do is to give Jamaal Charles more carries. He's averaging 5.7 per and just tore up one of the best run defenses out there. I don't care about his size, just give him the ball. Every time he touches it I legitimately think he could break it. If he ever finds some space (they need to use him on screens more), it's over.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Do we think LJ's suspension would have been longer than 1 game from the league had the Chiefs not deactivated him on their own for a few games already?
djjosee
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Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
NFL Spokesman Greg Aelio said as much.
well it looks like he will get plenty of work in week 10. Im starting him.
xenith
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DING DING DING!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!I don't see KC playing him much the rest of the way. He's gone in the off-season. Herm says he doesn't see Charles as a 20+ carry guy, so we're looking at Charles/Savage/Battle committee the rest of the way, with perhaps LJ getting a couple games of 10-15 carries, but not much imo. Charles is a decent flex play in the right matchup, for PPR leagues only.
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If LJ is active for the rest of the season, he'll be the 20+ carry guy and Charles will do what he did before. 5-7 carries and 3rd down duties.
FFdork
Footballguy
I'm not sure exactly what people mean by 'deactivate.'
As we talked about in another LJ thread, the Chiefs don't really have grounds to take any further disciplinary action and they amended the rules so that teams can't do the paid suspension thing like the T.O. and Keyshawn situations in the past.
If by deactivate you mean letting him practice with the team and then making him inactive each week, I suppose they could do that, but they're strapped at RB and would be wasting a roster spot every week. I think the best course of action for the Chiefs and Larry Johnson is to put their best players on the field and take it from there. Anything else makes for a messy situation. Now maybe Charles has another big day this week and they decide he's the best RB to put on the field. We'll see.
As we talked about in another LJ thread, the Chiefs don't really have grounds to take any further disciplinary action and they amended the rules so that teams can't do the paid suspension thing like the T.O. and Keyshawn situations in the past.
If by deactivate you mean letting him practice with the team and then making him inactive each week, I suppose they could do that, but they're strapped at RB and would be wasting a roster spot every week. I think the best course of action for the Chiefs and Larry Johnson is to put their best players on the field and take it from there. Anything else makes for a messy situation. Now maybe Charles has another big day this week and they decide he's the best RB to put on the field. We'll see.
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xenith
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That is my point, I do not think he'll be active every game the rest of the season after the week 10 suspension. Maybe they do it 1-2 weeks, then decide, we're not winning the division, let's make sure we evaluate the young guys for next year.If LJ is active for the rest of the season, he'll be the 20+ carry guy and Charles will do what he did before. 5-7 carries and 3rd down duties.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So this preemptive NCAA approach may be the new norm. Interesting.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I'm thinking the Chiefs only suspended him those games so that the NFL suspension didnt take him away for the end of the season. LJ will be playing regularly after week 10.That is my point, I do not think he'll be active every game the rest of the season after the week 10 suspension. Maybe they do it 1-2 weeks, then decide, we're not winning the division, let's make sure we evaluate the young guys for next year.
I just traded Thomas Jones / Leon Washington / Ryan Fitzpatrick for LJ / Favre / Vince Young.
I have a pretty good team, but due to Romo, Anquan, Roy Williams, and some S-Jax injuries i am out of contention. The LJ owner is trying to make a playoff run, so this worked good for both of us.
I have a pretty good team, but due to Romo, Anquan, Roy Williams, and some S-Jax injuries i am out of contention. The LJ owner is trying to make a playoff run, so this worked good for both of us.
plymkr
Footballguy
I agree. I wouldn't give much, but if I had him in redraft I would still hold. They are going to ride him into the ground, and now that they have a passing attack, sort of, he will be that much better. The only problem would be Charles kicking butt this week and stealing LJs playing time. They are not going to deactivate him. He will still be a Chief next year from what I understand. Why are people saying he will be gone next year?Otis said:
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I'm just curious.... why do you think the Chiefs value the games at the end of the season more than the games in the middle of the season?
thehornet
Footballguy
That is my point, I do not think he'll be active every game the rest of the season after the week 10 suspension. Maybe they do it 1-2 weeks, then decide, we're not winning the division, let's make sure we evaluate the young guys for next year.If LJ is active for the rest of the season, he'll be the 20+ carry guy and Charles will do what he did before. 5-7 carries and 3rd down duties.
Ya, lets sit our stud franchise running back who we pay 20 million dollars for some trashy backups who will never make it in the NFL (excluding Charles, who i see as a good change of pace). The Chiefs sat him before because they were waiting for the league to make a decision. Now that he is back Week 11 - he is the unquestioned starter.
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Carver Lee
Footballguy
You're not seeing things. He has that "hold your breath" factor.
bonesman
Footballguy
gettin Thiggy wit it.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
perhaps..but playing devil's advocate here, LJ is a PR nightmare...he's a woman beater ( multiple times), a guy with anger management problems..Chiefs are all about image...I can't remember the last time the Chiefs had a guy like Clarett, or Lawrence Phillips, etc..they usually have model citizens on their team...lets say the Chiefs sideline him for the remainder of the season because of PR image..or maybe they're keeping him under wraps because they want to trade him during the off-season and don't want to risk an injury?That is my point, I do not think he'll be active every game the rest of the season after the week 10 suspension. Maybe they do it 1-2 weeks, then decide, we're not winning the division, let's make sure we evaluate the young guys for next year.If LJ is active for the rest of the season, he'll be the 20+ carry guy and Charles will do what he did before. 5-7 carries and 3rd down duties.
my point is, I doubt they're going through this as some sort of dog n pony show, where in week 11, LJ triumphantly returns and gets 35 carries and help the Chiefs to a huge victory...I think things go the other way, i.e., 'you're a distraction,we've won without you this season, we're not going to rock the boat by putting you back in the lineup..you have to earn your playing time..its not all about you'I know he makes big bucks , but I doubt the Chiefs just sweep it all under the rug and allow him back into their 'good graces' this season just because they want to play a guy making $20 mil...I'm taking the other side of the coin: they want to move him in the off-season..he will be traded for a high draft pick prior to the 2009 draft, IMO..this is NOT a deep draft in terms of RB's, so in that regard, LJ is worth a LOT ..many teams could use a RB like that:San Diego ( if you believe LT2 is done)DenverSeattleOakland DetroitJacksonville ( Taylor is old)Tampa BayCarolinaJetsPatriotsCleveland Cincy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
They probably thought the NFL was going to suspend him for at least three games.It would be in LJs best interest for the Chiefs to shut him down the rest of the year and get him the help that is needed to get his life back in order.
thehornet
Footballguy
Dude, seriously? Do you really care that much? He has been suspended multiple games by his team and 1 by the league with the possibilty of more if he is found guilty in either of his 2 court cases. I think we should just shut you down from work if you get in trouble. Oh but don't worry, it's in your best interest.
FFdork
Footballguy
I'm not disagreeing with you, but for this to happen LJ basically has to agree to that plan. Otherwise he at least has to be at least practicing with the team or outright released, correct? They could deactivate him for games, but why not play the best RB on the team if he's there, practicing and taking up a roster spot? After all, you play to win the game right?
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Wow..irate LJ owner. Johnson is still going to get paid so relax.If I was getting paid they can shut me down too!
kneeshooter
Footballguy
OK, if LJ is to be moved I just don't see the bolded teams getting involved. I don't see the Chargers putting LT2/LJ in the same backfield or moving LT2 to make room for LJ, plus they are a division rival; Denver is another division rival that seems to get value out of not spending a whole lot for their RBs; OAK/DET/CAR just spent high draft picks on RBs, with OAK/DET having much bigger problems and CAR having no need to improve their running game with 2 excellent backs; Jacksonville has MJD who will likely be paired with a younger back once Taylor is put to pasture; and Cincy has enough head cases - the last thing they need is LJ
I could definitely see Seattle, NE, Jets, TB or Cleveland at least pondering the idea. Just curious as to why you think the others would be interested as well.
FFdork
Footballguy
I keep asking questions that no one answers, but I'll give it another go: how in the world would the Chiefs trade LJ for anything much less a high draft pick? He's been a disappointment ever since he signed his contract and has the history of off-field issues. It's also possible that he could be in the middle of a longer suspension pending the outcome of his 2 trials.
Not to mention he has a huge contract in an era where most teams don't want to pay RBs that kind of money. So for this to happen, wouldn't the Chiefs have to find a trading partner + LJ would have to agree to a pay cut? What are the advantages in this situation for LJ as opposed to forcing the Chiefs to cut him and getting to sign with the team of his choice?
Not to mention he has a huge contract in an era where most teams don't want to pay RBs that kind of money. So for this to happen, wouldn't the Chiefs have to find a trading partner + LJ would have to agree to a pay cut? What are the advantages in this situation for LJ as opposed to forcing the Chiefs to cut him and getting to sign with the team of his choice?
thehornet
Footballguy
Yes, i am pissed at LJ, but I am 7-2 and 6-3 in two leagues without him so it hasn't been that big of a loss for me. I just can't even comprehend your line of thinking. If they were going to bench him for the rest of the year then they would do it. Not wait two weeks and think about it. Football doesnt work like that. Maybe for a young QB they are testing out, but now for an estblished veteran pro bowler.
kneeshooter
Footballguy
It all depends on how desperate the Chiefs/LJ are to rid themselves of each other. If the price is low enough, someone will roll the dice and make a deal. Randy Moss was traded for a 4th rounder and agreed to restructure his contract. If the 2 decide the best solution is to part ways, they will both need to make concessions in order to get a deal done. KC will not be able to play hard ball (ala Tony Gonzalez at the trade deadline this year) and LJ will have to accept less money. Seeing as how he made such a stink about getting that contract, I don't know if he bails. He may see that his best path is to straighten up and play for KC if he wants to get paid.
Statler & Waldorf
Footballguy
The Chiefs are 1-7 and their only win this season came when LJ ran for 198 yards.perhaps..but playing devil's advocate here, LJ is a PR nightmare...he's a woman beater ( multiple times), a guy with anger management problems..Chiefs are all about image...I can't remember the last time the Chiefs had a guy like Clarett, or Lawrence Phillips, etc..they usually have model citizens on their team...lets say the Chiefs sideline him for the remainder of the season because of PR image..or maybe they're keeping him under wraps because they want to trade him during the off-season and don't want to risk an injury?That is my point, I do not think he'll be active every game the rest of the season after the week 10 suspension. Maybe they do it 1-2 weeks, then decide, we're not winning the division, let's make sure we evaluate the young guys for next year.If LJ is active for the rest of the season, he'll be the 20+ carry guy and Charles will do what he did before. 5-7 carries and 3rd down duties.
I know he makes big bucks , but I doubt the Chiefs just sweep it all under the rug and allow him back into their 'good graces'
this season just because they want to play a guy making $20 mil...
I'm taking the other side of the coin: they want to move him in the off-season..he will be traded for a high draft pick prior to the 2009 draft, IMO..this is NOT a deep draft in terms of RB's, so in that regard, LJ is worth a LOT ..many teams could use a RB like that:
San Diego ( if you believe LT2 is done)
Denver
Seattle
Oakland
Detroit
Jacksonville ( Taylor is old)
Tampa Bay
Carolina
Jets
Patriots
Cleveland
Cincy
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FFdork
Footballguy
That all more or less makes sense to me, but one thing that you just alluded to is King Carl. His asking prices in trades have a history of being delusional.
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Banger
Footballguy
right.....
thehornet
Footballguy
i think he's better than Barry Sanders too.
kneeshooter
Footballguy
Pretty much better than everyonewell, except Ryan Torain of course.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Any real news? Is he playing week 11(this week) or not?
