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Trent Green is on the way out. Dante Hall is already gone for a 5th. The LJ trade talk seems absurd, but there appears to be _some_ measure of truth to the reports from reliable sources like Schefter.

Is it just me, or is it possible the Chiefs are donning NBA uniforms and tanking the 2007 season? The first two moves alone don't strike me as signs of this, but that last one does, no matter how much LJ is complaining.

Maybe with Shields retiring, they realize their whole team is slowly decaying and they want to completely revamp. If so, is there a player in next year's draft that seems like a franchise cornerstone they'd target at #1? No one jumps to mind for me right now, but that's because I'm fairly obssessed with the current draft. Brian Brohm isn't that guy, is he? Nor Michael Hart or Darius Walker.

So, I guess 2 questions here: does KC appear to be folding up shop in 2007 to you? And if you were folding up shop this year, is there a specific prospect you'd be dying for at #1 in 2008?

 
Buddy they are doing JUST THE OPPOSITE.
Really? Do tell. Moving LJ doesn't seem that way to me, especially if they don't get a 1st for him. And even if they do...
LJ is going to be a FA next year....
True. I guess if they honestly believe he'll walk, then maybe they have to sell high, but with franchise tag options and the like, I'm still not sure I wouldn't try to fix the relationship if I were interested in wins now.
 
Getting a 5th for Hall is not a move that makes them a worse team. This is from a Rams homer. Hall seems to have lost a step....

 
Both lines are terrible.

Their WR situation is dire.

Their corners are ancient and are going on reputation.

Their LBs are average at best.

They have no depth at RB

They have Herm Edwards as head coach.

At least they have a couple good young safeties. :goodposting:

 
Buddy they are doing JUST THE OPPOSITE.
Really? Do tell. Moving LJ doesn't seem that way to me, especially if they don't get a 1st for him. And even if they do...
LJ is going to be a FA next year....
True. I guess if they honestly believe he'll walk, then maybe they have to sell high, but with franchise tag options and the like, I'm still not sure I wouldn't try to fix the relationship if I were interested in wins now.
DO you not remember we have had guys like Derrick Blaylock run for 180 in games for KC in the last 6 or so seasons. We took a guy named Holmes off the scrap heap.....and he may have ended up a HOFer if not for injuries.I seriously think most people do not even know the slightest thing about what goes on with sports in KC. LJ has become a CANCER in the lockerroom, repeatedly calling out his coaches and the playcalling, saying he would rather play for a black coach than a white caoch, refusing to pass-protect or learn how to do so.....and on and on.Why would we repeatedly franchise a cancer whom we just ran into the ground more than any other back in an NFL season? His value will never be higher. I cannot believe people do not see this with the same foresight that many in KC do. The man is a mini-T.O. If he were on any other team, I would root AGAINST him. However, he is on my team that I have followed all 27 years of my like so I have to root for him.As to the other moves.....watch some film of games from thsi past season. Trent Green is done. Dante Hall's # have declined by leaps and bounds.
 
Hall can be replaced for a lot less money.

KC was better with Huard last year.

I'm not sure either move suggests raising the white flag.

The LJ talk seems to be more probing what hisvalue is. I do believe that would hurt them for 2007 if a trade happened.

 
Both lines are terrible.Their WR situation is dire.Their corners are ancient and are going on reputation.Their LBs are average at best.They have no depth at RBThey have Herm Edwards as head coach.At least they have a couple good young safeties. :banned:
Exactly! And it seems to me moving LJ, Green, Hall, and co for whatever you can get is the surest way to just wipe the slate clean and be terrible in 07 in preparation for the 08 draft, no?
 
Both lines are terrible.Their WR situation is dire.Their corners are ancient and are going on reputation.Their LBs are average at best.They have no depth at RBThey have Herm Edwards as head coach.At least they have a couple good young safeties. :banned:
Sounds like the worst team in the league if you are right. But wait, they made the playoffs last year in the AFC. Perhaps you are wrong. How do you account for the fact that they made the playoffs?
 
Both lines are terrible.Their WR situation is dire.Their corners are ancient and are going on reputation.Their LBs are average at best.They have no depth at RBThey have Herm Edwards as head coach.At least they have a couple good young safeties. :banned:
LOL, please elaborate.They have one of the best DE duo is the NFL.They may now have one of the best LB units in the NFL.They have the best TE in the NFLThey have good veteran CBs who are battle-tested.They have tow good young Safeties who will only get better.They have a potential starting QB whose passer rating was on par with Peyton Manning's last season.
 
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Both lines are terrible.

Their WR situation is dire.

Who is the QB?

Their corners are ancient and are going on reputation.

Their LBs are average at best.

They have no depth at RB

They have Herm Edwards as head coach.

At least they have a couple good young safeties. :banned:
Sounds like the worst team in the league if you are right. But wait, they made the playoffs last year in the AFC. Perhaps you are wrong. How do you account for the fact that they made the playoffs?
My first answer would be that they had a different roster last year than they will this year.
 
Why would we repeatedly franchise a cancer whom we just ran into the ground more than any other back in an NFL season? His value will never be higher. I cannot believe people do not see this with the same foresight that many in KC do. The man is a mini-T.O. If he were on any other team, I would root AGAINST him. However, he is on my team that I have followed all 27 years of my like so I have to root for him.
Good point(s), Kevin. I guess it's easy for those of us in other markets to overlook the cancerous aspects of a guy unless he's making national news with it like TO.
 
They have one of the best DE duo is the NFL.

Maybe.

They may now have one of the best LB units in the NFL.

Doubt it.

They have the best TE in the NFL

Nope.

They have good veteran CBs who are battle-tested.

If that's the best compliment you can come up with for them then I'd say there is valid reason for concern.

They have tow good young Safeties who will only get better.

I'd hope so, they will have to cover up a lot of inefficiencies by the CBs.

They have a potential starting QB whose passer rating was on par with Peyton Manning's last season.

True.
 
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Both lines are terrible.Their WR situation is dire.Their corners are ancient and are going on reputation.Their LBs are average at best.They have no depth at RBThey have Herm Edwards as head coach.At least they have a couple good young safeties. :hey:
LOL, please elaborate.They have one of the best DE duo is the NFL.They have tow good young Safeties who will only get better.
All right. I got carried away a bit. You do have nice DEs there and I did say that I like your safeties.
They may now have one of the best LB units in the NFL.They have good veteran CBs who are battle-tested.
You're wrong about those LBs.Battle tested = old
They have the best TE in the NFL
A bit of debate there. Gonzalez isn't young and Gates and probably Winslow (if the knee holds up) are better.
They have a potential starting QB whose passer rating was on par with Peyton Manning's last season.
Hey everyone. Let's get excited about the guy who had a high passer rating last year who may or may not start over the second year guy.I know I'm being difficult. I'm just doing a bit of :pokey: here. I actually like the Chiefs but I don't see how this team is positioned to do well this upcoming season.
 
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Both lines are terrible.

Their WR situation is dire.

Their corners are ancient and are going on reputation.

Their LBs are average at best.

They have no depth at RB

They have Herm Edwards as head coach.

At least they have a couple good young safeties. :pokey:
LOL, please elaborate.They have one of the best DE duo is the NFL.

They may now have one of the best LB units in the NFL.

They have the best TE in the NFL

They have good veteran CBs who are battle-tested.

They have tow good young Safeties who will only get better.

They have a potential starting QB whose passer rating was on par with Peyton Manning's last season.
Antonio Gates?
 
The'll be lucky to win 5 games this year, and that's only because they have such a homefield advantage at Arrowhead.

Those Raiders/Chiefs games are going to be funny to watch. 2 of the worst teams in the NFL going at it, i can't wait.

 
From a non-KC fan perspective:

At some point KC was going have to blow that offense up. Green/Huard as a combination very old. WRs were either old or not good. OL was old. TE still good not young. Rb dynamic talent, but is a minimum a different kind of guy if not an outright pain in the rear. The question is not that the KC offensive unit needed redoing, but does the organization have a realistitc plan on how to redo the thing?

 
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This is what happens when you have been Herminated. They are going to suck bad.
:goodposting: And how many years did the Jets "suck" while Herm was there? Seems Mangini "sucks" pretty bad too. more of these :fishing: thingys.Oh! And didn't the Chiefs make it to the playoffs last year? Who was their coach? :)
 
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Both lines are terrible.

Their WR situation is dire.

Their corners are ancient and are going on reputation.

Their LBs are average at best.

They have no depth at RB

They have Herm Edwards as head coach.

At least they have a couple good young safeties. :goodposting:
LOL, please elaborate.They have one of the best DE duo is the NFL.

They may now have one of the best LB units in the NFL.

They have the best TE in the NFL

They have good veteran CBs who are battle-tested.

They have tow good young Safeties who will only get better.

They have a potential starting QB whose passer rating was on par with Peyton Manning's last season.
Antonio Gates?
Gonzalez last 3 seasons| 2004 kan | 16 | 102 1258 12.3 7 || 2005 kan | 16 | 78 905 11.6 2 || 2006 kan | 15 | 73 900 12.3 5
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Gates last three seasons| 2004 sdg |  15 |	81	964  11.9   13 || 2005 sdg |  15 |	89   1101  12.4   10 || 2006 sdg |  16 |	71	924  13.0	9
TG has 10 more catches, and 74 more yards, in only one more game.If we are strictly talking FF then yes it is Gates....but it is far more arguable in real life. Especially when TG has done this also......

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| 1999 kan |  15 |	76	849  11.2   11 || 2000 kan |  16 |	93   1203  12.9	9 || 2001 kan |  16 |	73	917  12.6	6 || 2002 kan |  16 |	63	773  12.3	7 || 2003 kan |  16 |	71	916  12.9   10
If Gates can keep this up for 5 more seasons he will end up better than Tony Gonzalez.
 
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Gonzalez last 3 seasons| 2004 kan |  16 |   102   1258  12.3	7 || 2005 kan |  16 |	78	905  11.6	2 || 2006 kan |  15 |	73	900  12.3	5
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Gates last three seasons| 2004 sdg |  15 |	81	964  11.9   13 || 2005 sdg |  15 |	89   1101  12.4   10 || 2006 sdg |  16 |	71	924  13.0	9
TG has 10 more catches, and 74 more yards, in only one more game.If we are strictly talking FF then yes it is Gates....but it is far more arguable in real life. Especially when TG has done this also......
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| 1999 kan |  15 |	76	849  11.2   11 || 2000 kan |  16 |	93   1203  12.9	9 || 2001 kan |  16 |	73	917  12.6	6 || 2002 kan |  16 |	63	773  12.3	7 || 2003 kan |  16 |	71	916  12.9   10
If Gates can keep this up for 5 more seasons he will end up better than Tony Gonzalez.
So? This compares them for the last three seasons. It doesn't say anything about their relative abilities this year.
 
Hall can be replaced for a lot less money.KC was better with Huard last year.I'm not sure either move suggests raising the white flag.The LJ talk seems to be more probing what hisvalue is. I do believe that would hurt them for 2007 if a trade happened.
No they know if they want to get about 9-7 they have to build for the future.Brett Favre will take Tony Gonzalez off their hands. :lmao:
 
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Gonzalez last 3 seasons| 2004 kan |  16 |   102   1258  12.3	7 || 2005 kan |  16 |	78	905  11.6	2 || 2006 kan |  15 |	73	900  12.3	5
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Gates last three seasons| 2004 sdg |  15 |	81	964  11.9   13 || 2005 sdg |  15 |	89   1101  12.4   10 || 2006 sdg |  16 |	71	924  13.0	9
TG has 10 more catches, and 74 more yards, in only one more game.If we are strictly talking FF then yes it is Gates....but it is far more arguable in real life. Especially when TG has done this also......
Code:
| 1999 kan |  15 |	76	849  11.2   11 || 2000 kan |  16 |	93   1203  12.9	9 || 2001 kan |  16 |	73	917  12.6	6 || 2002 kan |  16 |	63	773  12.3	7 || 2003 kan |  16 |	71	916  12.9   10
If Gates can keep this up for 5 more seasons he will end up better than Tony Gonzalez.
I love how you ignore TD's in this analysis, as if they are only important for FF reasons.
 
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Gonzalez last 3 seasons| 2004 kan |  16 |   102   1258  12.3	7 || 2005 kan |  16 |	78	905  11.6	2 || 2006 kan |  15 |	73	900  12.3	5
Code:
Gates last three seasons| 2004 sdg |  15 |	81	964  11.9   13 || 2005 sdg |  15 |	89   1101  12.4   10 || 2006 sdg |  16 |	71	924  13.0	9
TG has 10 more catches, and 74 more yards, in only one more game.If we are strictly talking FF then yes it is Gates....but it is far more arguable in real life. Especially when TG has done this also......
Code:
| 1999 kan |  15 |	76	849  11.2   11 || 2000 kan |  16 |	93   1203  12.9	9 || 2001 kan |  16 |	73	917  12.6	6 || 2002 kan |  16 |	63	773  12.3	7 || 2003 kan |  16 |	71	916  12.9   10
If Gates can keep this up for 5 more seasons he will end up better than Tony Gonzalez.
I love how you ignore TD's in this analysis, as if they are only important for FF reasons.
Don't you know? Your TE is considered more skilled when he spends most of his time being forced to block.
 
Didn't they sign Donnie Edwards? Or am I making that up?
Yes they did. Napoleon Harris too.I sold the LB position short a bit. It is pretty good (if Nap Harris can repeat last year's performance.)The Damion McIntosh signing was a useful one too.
 
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Buddy they are doing JUST THE OPPOSITE.
Really? Do tell. Moving LJ doesn't seem that way to me, especially if they don't get a 1st for him. And even if they do...
LJ is going to be a FA next year....
True. I guess if they honestly believe he'll walk, then maybe they have to sell high, but with franchise tag options and the like, I'm still not sure I wouldn't try to fix the relationship if I were interested in wins now.
DO you not remember we have had guys like Derrick Blaylock run for 180 in games for KC in the last 6 or so seasons. We took a guy named Holmes off the scrap heap.....and he may have ended up a HOFer if not for injuries.I seriously think most people do not even know the slightest thing about what goes on with sports in KC. LJ has become a CANCER in the lockerroom, repeatedly calling out his coaches and the playcalling, saying he would rather play for a black coach than a white caoch, refusing to pass-protect or learn how to do so.....and on and on.Why would we repeatedly franchise a cancer whom we just ran into the ground more than any other back in an NFL season? His value will never be higher. I cannot believe people do not see this with the same foresight that many in KC do. The man is a mini-T.O. If he were on any other team, I would root AGAINST him. However, he is on my team that I have followed all 27 years of my like so I have to root for him.As to the other moves.....watch some film of games from thsi past season. Trent Green is done. Dante Hall's # have declined by leaps and bounds.
We?
 
Both lines are terrible.Their WR situation is dire.Their corners are ancient and are going on reputation.Their LBs are average at best.They have no depth at RBThey have Herm Edwards as head coach.At least they have a couple good young safeties. :headbang:
LOL, please elaborate.They have one of the best DE duo is the NFL.They may now have one of the best LB units in the NFL.They have the best TE in the NFLThey have good veteran CBs who are battle-tested.They have tow good young Safeties who will only get better.They have a potential starting QB whose passer rating was on par with Peyton Manning's last season.
:goodposting:
 
Didn't they sign Donnie Edwards? Or am I making that up?
Yes they did. Napoleon Harris too.I sold the LB position short a bit. It is pretty good (if Nap Harris can repeat last year's performance.)
So based on your initial statement of...Both lines are terrible.Their WR situation is dire.Their corners are ancient and are going on reputation.Their LBs are average at best.They have no depth at RBThey have Herm Edwards as head coach....you have since backpedaled on the DL and now the LBs. Let's say KC drafts a CB and a WR in the 1st two rounds and a RB in the 3rd. That would just about make your entire post worthless. You can get off Herm, the posts that commit him are baseless and weak seeing as how it is well documented that he is a player's coach. He also led this depleted team to a playoff appearance with what was supposed to be a bad team last year. Try again.
 
Both lines are terrible.Their WR situation is dire.Their corners are ancient and are going on reputation.Their LBs are average at best.They have no depth at RBThey have Herm Edwards as head coach.At least they have a couple good young safeties. :kicksrock:
If all of this is true Herm should have gotten coach of the year for taking them to the playoffs. The bashing is way out of line.
 
Didn't they sign Donnie Edwards? Or am I making that up?
Yes they did. Napoleon Harris too.I sold the LB position short a bit. It is pretty good (if Nap Harris can repeat last year's performance.)
So based on your initial statement of...Both lines are terrible.

Their WR situation is dire.

Their corners are ancient and are going on reputation.

Their LBs are average at best.

They have no depth at RB

They have Herm Edwards as head coach.

...you have since backpedaled on the DL and now the LBs. Let's say KC drafts a CB and a WR in the 1st two rounds and a RB in the 3rd. That would just about make your entire post worthless. You can get off Herm, the posts that commit him are baseless and weak seeing as how it is well documented that he is a player's coach. He also led this depleted team to a playoff appearance with what was supposed to be a bad team last year. Try again.
I'm not really backpedaling on the LBs I still think Johnson & Harris are nothing uber-special. Ashcraft said the unit was "one of the best in the league". I think that's exaggeration.And pinning your hopes on rookie CBs and WRs is traditionally a false hope.

And while the DEs are very good, one is facing a potential suspension. And the DTs are rotten. So again you're hoping a rookie bails you out.

I admit to exaggeration. But the core argument still stands. This team got old fast and is on the brink of sinking quickly. Particularly on the offensive side of the ball.

P.S. - I don't really know why people hate Herm either. I was just piling on. I'd take him over Brad Childress in a heartbeat.

 
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Trent Green is on the way out. Dante Hall is already gone for a 5th. The LJ trade talk seems absurd, but there appears to be _some_ measure of truth to the reports from reliable sources like Schefter.Is it just me, or is it possible the Chiefs are donning NBA uniforms and tanking the 2007 season? The first two moves alone don't strike me as signs of this, but that last one does, no matter how much LJ is complaining.Maybe with Shields retiring, they realize their whole team is slowly decaying and they want to completely revamp. If so, is there a player in next year's draft that seems like a franchise cornerstone they'd target at #1? No one jumps to mind for me right now, but that's because I'm fairly obssessed with the current draft. Brian Brohm isn't that guy, is he? Nor Michael Hart or Darius Walker. So, I guess 2 questions here: does KC appear to be folding up shop in 2007 to you? And if you were folding up shop this year, is there a specific prospect you'd be dying for at #1 in 2008?
I'm getting in here a little late so forgive me if I tread on something that's already been addressed but here's how I see it. Dante Hall's performance has trailed off. He is still a very good return guy but KC needs real WR's not quick midgets for WR's. Hall will probably be a great fit on the "fast" turf of STL as a return guy and occassional WR. Additionally, most draft scouts are calling this the best year for WR's in a long time and think that many very good WR's can even be had in the late 2nd round for cheap. The whole concept of tanking in the NFL is ridiculous when you consider that teams have gone from the outhouse to the penthouse in two years these days and it's probably evolving into an even shorter cycle of some teams having major rennovations on a yearly basis without sacrificing the ability to make the playoffs this year. Green trade talk is easy to read since KC believes in Huard for the moment and Croyle in the future and don't need three good options nor two highly paid QB roster spots.Larry Johnson may not be happy in KC and may not be a good locker room guy but I don't buy that as a reason to shop him. I do believe that he doesn't look as fast as he did the year before. I do believe that they not only don't want to pay him a LT money next year but that they WILL NOT pay him LT money next year when history of late has proven that rookie RB's can get the job done just fine and so can RBBC for cheap. And if they get rid of the contract/LJ this year then they can get a draft pick instead of just releasing him next year or slapping the franchise tag on him. If KC doesn't get any takers prior to this draft, then it's franchise tag time for LJ for a few years until he's washed up. Larry should want to get traded to a team that might actually pay him.KC is getting rid of players that aren't what they need this year (Green and Hall) and contracts that they don't want next year (LJ).
 
I think they're reloading, not rebuilding.

The signing of Donnie Edwards smacks in the face of 'rebuilding'.

Trent Green was outplayed by a journeyman QB last year. The switch from Green to Huard was tipped when they whacked QB Coach Terry Shea, who went to Miami. Hmmm.... where is Green supposedly going?

Their failures to develop a stud D-Tackle over the years has really hampered the Chiefs over the last several years.

 
This is nothing new. They threw away the 2006 season and all future seasons the minute they hired Herm Edwards.

 
WARNING LONG POST!

Comparing this years team to the 07 playoff team: winners in bold.

Starting with the defense.

Ty Law and Pat Surtain this year< Ty Law and Pat Surtain last year. They may be regressing a bit but they are still in the top half of the league as for as duos go.

Jarrad Page and Wesley/Pollard > Knight and Wesley. This one isn't even close

Derrick Johnson this year > Derrick Johnson last year. A very talented young player that was injured for 4 games last season. Should be a pro bowl candidate this year.

Donnie Edwards and Nap Harris >>> Kawika Mitchell and Kendrell Bell. Kendrell Bell was with little doubt in my mind the worst defensive starter in the league last year. Kawika and his massive contract he just signed showed how great the rest of the league thinks he was :rolleyes: No matter how old Edwards is and how underachieving Harris has been this is still a HUGE upgrade.

Jared Allen and Tamba Hali this year = Jared Allen and Tambi Hali last year. Allen will be suspended for who knows how long, but that is offset somewhat by having a capable backup in Jimmy Wilkerson and a year of experience for Hali who was promising last year.

Alphonso Boone/Ron Edwards/James Reed/rookie > Sims Edwards/Reed last year. Weak spot of the defense is improved with the addition of Boone and hopefully Justin Harrell. Reed and Edwards haven't really regressed yet but probably have peaked so we can expect similar production from last year. Perhaps the worst DTs in the league BUT its still an improvement over last year!

Overall the defense last year was 11th in points and 16th in yards and there is absolutely no reason to believe they won't be a top 10 unit this year. They are showing improvement on every position but corner and still half a top 15 tandem there.

Now the offense

Damien McIntosh >> Jordan Black. Jordan Black was probably the worst LT in the league last year. Even though McIntosh is average at best, its still a HUGE improvement.

John Welbourn < Will Shields. Shields is one of my all time favorite players and is likely a hall of famer. That said, he is 36 and had regressed a fair amount last year. Welbourn was an average tackle, but his natural position is guard and he was an above average performer at that position. A downgrade no doubt, but not the end of the world and LJ fantasy owners shouldn't be as concerned about the loss of Shields as they are.

Casey Wiegmann this year < Casey Wiegmann last year. He is regressing and gets blown off the line of scrimmage easily and doesn't totally fit in to the Chiefs offense, but the same things could have been said last year. Another downgrade but not a big one.

Brian Waters this year = Brian Waters last year. One of the better guards in the league, just turned 30 but at the top of his game. Expect similar production from last year.

Kevin Sampson/Chris Terry/Chris Bober/Will Svitek > the same committee last year. Sampson is a fine player when healthy, which he hasn't been in the past. Terry and Bober are vets who add depth and stability to the line. If the Chiefs don't draft Harrell and can land Staley at #23, the tackles will be fairly solid.

WRs this year > WRs lasts year. I am grouping all of the WRs together because I am not totally sure where the improvement is going to come from, but it will come. Kennison has peaked and started regressing and Parker is worthless but the same thing could have been said last year. Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon are wildcard unknowns who the coaching staff seems to love. If either show even a little promise, the WRs would have to be an improvement over last years squad which was probably the worst in the league.

Tony Gonzales this year = Tony Gonzales last year. Has peaked but hasn't really regressed and is still the most complete TE in football. Not quite the reciever Gates is but he makes up for it with his blocking and leadership.



Damon Huard/Brodie Croyle > Trent Green/Damon Huard. Anyone who watched the Chiefs last year knows Trent Green was more harm than help. One of the better and most underappreciated QBs of the past 5 or 6 years, but wasn't even close to the same player coming back from the injury. I don't think Huard this year or Croyle can match the numbers Huard was on pace for last year, but whoever wins the job should be able to do the 202 YPG 18 TDs 12 INTs of last year.

Larry Johnson this year = Larry Johnson last year. I won't predict an injury for a player, so I fully expect LJ to be the same force he was last year. His touches will be down but YPC should be up. Also Michael Bennett played great as a change of pace back last year and should do well with the extra carries should he stay healthy.

Overall the Chiefs were 15th in scoring offense last year and 16th in YPG. I see this years squad being a bit better this year but probably still outside of the top 10. Also consider that last year was Mike Solaris first year of being a coordinator ever and there should be improvement there as well.

All things considered, on paper the Chiefs should be a better team this year than last. A top 10 D and a top 15 offense is definitely above average and the Chiefs should compete for a playoff spot again this year.

Almost forgot Dante.

New Returner > or = Dante. I love the guy, but the people on the boards that are saying what a horrible trade this year didn't see any games last year. His blocking wasn't as good as it was years ago but not bad enough to warrant the performance Chiefs fans were forced to watch. There was a point last year where everytime there was a punt or kick I would start saying "please dont fumble, please dont fumble!" or "just get positive yards PLEASE!" I don't know where to look for the statistics, but if someone could find an average starting position on kickoffs they would more than likely see the Chiefs in the bottom half of the league. Getting a 5th round pick for that is gold.

 
I love it when the homer police come out.

Capella you are as much a Bucs homer as anyone......do you ever see me calling you out? Oh, I guess maybe you are perfectly objective.

It is obvious that people closest to a team know more than someone who lives 2K miles away.

 

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