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[The Big V]

Why does Herm Edwards still have a head coaching job in the NFL?

Never have I seen a coach with worse clock management skills. And playing to win seems secondary.

Just watching him send in 3 running plays then punting against the Jets last week while trying to hold the lead brought back many horrible memories for me. Flashing back to those days when he was smiling on the JETS sideline as they failed to win.

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[Deepster]

I ask myself the same question all the time.

As a Jets fan, I giggled when we got a 4th rd draft pick as compensation to let KC sign him. That draft pick ended up being Leon Washington.

He has decimated the KC offense. Their two biggest weapons, Gonzo and LJ, hate being there now. He is and always has been a brutal coach on the offensive side of the ball. Way, WAY too conservative.

He needed a clock management coach on the sidelines with the Jets, not sure if he has one in KC. Not sure there's another NFL head coach that actually needs one or has one.

I truly, for the life of me, cannot figure out why he's still employed.

 

[Mikey16x]

When he left the Jets I jumped for joy. Giants fan but not one of the ignorant ones, I like seeing any New York team succeed. Although I bleed the blue and red, herm was murdering the Jets.

The only thing that surprises me is that he's not forming a relationship with KC players. I agree he wasn't the best coach here in NY, or anywhere but his players always liked him as a person.

 

[gkza]

When he left the Jets I jumped for joy. Giants fan but not one of the ignorant ones, I like seeing any New York team succeed. Although I bleed the blue and red, herm was murdering the Jets. The only thing that surprises me is that he's not forming a relationship with KC players. I agree he wasn't the best coach here in NY, or anywhere but his players always liked him as a person.

Jets homer...He is the only coach in the NFL that I have ever seen that does not have a play book spreadsheet/laminate in front of him.You knew he was a bad coach after Parcells just got done drafting 2 Pro Bowl caliber DEs in John Abraham and Shaun Eliis, 2 years later he goes and spends his 1 rd pick on Bryan Thomas (who has been ok, but a wasted pick if you ask me).

 

[p00h]

Nothing beats the knee he took in Pittsburg to add 4 yards to a game winning fieldgoal attempt. That added 4 yards made the distance one which has never been made at that stage of the winter in that stadium. Sooo happy when the jets ended his tenure. Just have to see the look on his face during crunch time to know he is absolutely clueless. Just has the deer in headlights look on his face. His deficiencies are being masked right now due to KC truly having a terrible team. He can hide behind the 'rebuilding' mantra for another year or two, at which point his life as an NFL head coach will end for good...

 

[BobbyLayne]

His best quality is how motivational he sounds.

I kept thinking about him as I listened to Mike Singletary last weekend.

 

[Kiddnets]

Herm is a joke - his mantra is "you play to win the game" but his actions show that he always plays "not to lose the game" - the guy should not be an NFL coach. He went through coordinators like water in NY - couldn't handle the clock so he hired a guy to do that for him - **** Curl (all time best NFL name) who is with him in KC I think. He has very limited X-O's type of knowledge. The Pitt play was the worst case of conservative playcalling that cost the Jets a legit shot at the AFC championship game. Parcells left him a very good team and he destroyed it.

When I see Herm I actually think of another former JEt coach Pete Carroll - His rah rah style did not translate to the pros but he has been a great college coach. Herm should go run a big college program - he would be a great recruiter and motivator and as long as he has the talent he would win. But as a pro coach he is awful - hope KC cuts their losses but it seems like he is a member of the boys club over there.

 

[NYRAGE]

I always thought that Herm should be coaching High School football. He's clearly overwhelmed as a coach. That said, I would not be surprised if we have the same thread about Mangini in a couple of years. These two guys were not qualified to become head coaches.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Most people in KC think if he and Carl ae back in 2009 that it means they have bad pictures of Clark Hunt.......or that Lamar's boy simply does not care.

I would LOVE Herm as a DBs coach, and MAYBE even as D-Coordinator, but not as the head man.

 

[MCguidance]

I do not think Herm is a great excellent X's and O's guy. I do think, however, he can really relate to his players, is a good guy, and is an ultimate motivator. I'm not a huge fan of his coaching, but he did bring the Jets to the playoffs 3 of his 5 years, something no other Jets coach has done. His record was 39-41 with the club, but lost 15 of his last 20, not good.

 

[Kiddnets]

I always thought that Herm should be coaching High School football. He's clearly overwhelmed as a coach. That said, I would not be surprised if we have the same thread about Mangini in a couple of years. These two guys were not qualified to become head coaches.

I think Mangini is a better coach than Herm - problem is that he is acting like mini Bellichick without the rings - he forgets that before Brady BB was considered a tool and was run out of Cleveland. That may be Mangini's fate which is too bad cause I like him and think he will be a good coach down the line.

 

[gkza]

From a talent perspective, the Jets have a team that SHOULD go deep in the playoffs. The secondary which has been a weakness for years is now a strength, see Kerry Rhodes. The WR corps is better than its been in a while. 2 quality RBs, a veteran QB with playoff and championship experience. A huge run stuffer, and quality LBs.

The Dolphins are not that good, and NE is vunerable. This needs to be the JETS year but it won't. and thats cause the coaching is just not that good. BTW where the f**k is the #6 overall pick in this draft?

 

[Kiddnets]

From a talent perspective, the Jets have a team that SHOULD go deep in the playoffs. The secondary which has been a weakness for years is now a strength, see Kerry Rhodes. The WR corps is better than its been in a while. 2 quality RBs, a veteran QB with playoff and championship experience. A huge run stuffer, and quality LBs.The Dolphins are not that good, and NE is vunerable. This needs to be the JETS year but it won't. and thats cause the coaching is just not that good. BTW where the f**k is the #6 overall pick in this draft?

typical mangini - make a good player switch to your system and take away all his playmaking ability instead of finding a way to maximize his strengths. I'm willing to give the kid a year mulligan but it does not look good when he hasn't even shown a flash by week 9.

 

[MCguidance]

From a talent perspective, the Jets have a team that SHOULD go deep in the playoffs. The secondary which has been a weakness for years is now a strength, see Kerry Rhodes. The WR corps is better than its been in a while. 2 quality RBs, a veteran QB with playoff and championship experience. A huge run stuffer, and quality LBs.

The Dolphins are not that good, and NE is vunerable. This needs to be the JETS year but it won't. and thats cause the coaching is just not that good. BTW where the f**k is the #6 overall pick in this draft?

Non-existent. He hasn't even been in on obvious pass rushing situations or anything. I am guessing the staff has just not seen much out of him at all during practice to warrant some playing time. Also, the Jets have some quality players ahead of him in Pace and Thomas, both of whom are playing really well. I just don't see him making much of a difference this year, barring an injury to one of the aforementioned players.

 

[gkza]

I must be taking a piss every time he gets on the field.

Another great move by Herm was the selection of DRob. I havent heard 1 thing about him since he left for Denver was it?

Also, Mangini sends Vilma packing...he is having a pretty good year. Smart move. I know people will belly ache about the system, but why just give up on a border line great player???

 

[Stinkin Ref]

KC made the playoffs 2 years ago....lose what the Chiefs lost on the offensive line since then and any coach would have some issues....I hope he does get replaced but it is not all his fault.....he does have issues with game management and being to conservative but he has made the playoffs 4 times I think....apparently KC is going to the spread offense now, so let's see if anything happens there....a problem for KC too is that they are quickly becoming one of those places where no free agents want to go.....this team needs an attitude adjustment and Herm is too nice...

pagingCower

 

[Rovers]

Ewdards is just too easy to bury, and I've done that qite a few times. The single thing I dislike about him most is how he rants on and on about being honest, and he lies all the time. Sometimes he lies about insignificant things, sometimes it much more serious.

He always ranted about how he would never put a player's career in jepordy and play them when they were hurt. But, he did it with Curtis Martin (later admitting he should not have) and putting Pennington back in that game against KC when Feidler went down. Pennington had JUST reinjured the shoulder... but Edwards threw him back out there.

He is an expert at hiring coaches and throwing them under the bus to place blame elsewhere and save his own butt in the process. I KNEW he hired Solari as OC in KC specifically for that reason. The man is a slime ball.

 

[atcdav]

Why does Herm Edwards still have a head coaching job in the NFL?

Never have I seen a coach with worse clock management skills. And playing to win seems secondary.

Just watching him send in 3 running plays then punting against the Jets last week while trying to hold the lead brought back many horrible memories for me. Flashing back to those days when he was smiling on the JETS sideline as they failed to win.

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Lovie Smith

 

[IM666]

Ewdards is just too easy to bury, and I've done that qite a few times. The single thing I dislike about him most is how he rants on and on about being honest, and he lies all the time. Sometimes he lies about insignificant things, sometimes it much more serious. He always ranted about how he would never put a player's career in jepordy and play them when they were hurt. But, he did it with Curtis Martin (later admitting he should not have) and putting Pennington back in that game against KC when Feidler went down. Pennington had JUST reinjured the shoulder... but Edwards threw him back out there. He is an expert at hiring coaches and throwing them under the bus to place blame elsewhere and save his own butt in the process. I KNEW he hired Solari as OC in KC specifically for that reason. The man is a slime ball.

I don't know enough about football to really know a good coach from a bad one. From what I have read on this board, it is not entirely dependent on their win/loss record or number of championships. So, please do not take what I am about to say as an argument for Edwards coaching ability. I do seem to remember Curtis Martin's last year in the NFL, the Jet's season was all but over, no hope of making the playoffs, and Herm stated publicly the Jets were focusing on helping Martin record another 1,000 yard season, I believe if he did so, it would have been a record. I remember thinking that was pretty cool of him to make that a team goal.I have read a number of posts throughout the years regarding how bad of a coach Mr. Edwards is, but have seen very few that go so far as to state he is a slime ball. I was just rather surprised. But, every opinion is valid.

 

[Reaper]

I must be taking a piss every time he gets on the field.Another great move by Herm was the selection of DRob. I havent heard 1 thing about him since he left for Denver was it?Also, Mangini sends Vilma packing...he is having a pretty good year. Smart move. I know people will belly ache about the system, but why just give up on a border line great player???

Harris made Vilma expendable - Vilma's contract was also coming up and they weren't going to keep Harris and Vilma so, the Jets took the Vilma money and gave it to Pace which turned out ot be GREAT....Unfortunately Vilma was also coming off a decent injury so, the Jets lost some value.I have no problem at all with all of that... Vilma just wasn't going to be worth the money in this system.

 

[r0llin_game]

Why does Herm Edwards still have a head coaching job in the NFL?

Never have I seen a coach with worse clock management skills. And playing to win seems secondary.

Just watching him send in 3 running plays then punting against the Jets last week while trying to hold the lead brought back many horrible memories for me. Flashing back to those days when he was smiling on the JETS sideline as they failed to win.

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Romeo Crennel

FYP

 

[BobbyLayne]

I must be taking a piss every time he gets on the field.Another great move by Herm was the selection of DRob. I havent heard 1 thing about him since he left for Denver was it?Also, Mangini sends Vilma packing...he is having a pretty good year. Smart move. I know people will belly ache about the system, but why just give up on a border line great player???

Harris made Vilma expendable - Vilma's contract was also coming up and they weren't going to keep Harris and Vilma so, the Jets took the Vilma money and gave it to Pace which turned out ot be GREAT....Unfortunately Vilma was also coming off a decent injury so, the Jets lost some value.I have no problem at all with all of that... Vilma just wasn't going to be worth the money in this system.

I used Jonathan Vilma for much of the first half of the season in my IDP, he's having a decent year. Still, it's not like there is a huge dropoff to David Harris. His tackles are down from last year, but that is more of a function of how effective Jenkins has been at clogging the middle.Lots of things you can criticize Mangenius for, but Harris over Vilma ain't one of them IMO.

 

[Mikey16x]

He does play to win the game...

 

[Reaper]

I must be taking a piss every time he gets on the field.Another great move by Herm was the selection of DRob. I havent heard 1 thing about him since he left for Denver was it?Also, Mangini sends Vilma packing...he is having a pretty good year. Smart move. I know people will belly ache about the system, but why just give up on a border line great player???

Harris made Vilma expendable - Vilma's contract was also coming up and they weren't going to keep Harris and Vilma so, the Jets took the Vilma money and gave it to Pace which turned out ot be GREAT....Unfortunately Vilma was also coming off a decent injury so, the Jets lost some value.I have no problem at all with all of that... Vilma just wasn't going to be worth the money in this system.

I used Jonathan Vilma for much of the first half of the season in my IDP, he's having a decent year. Still, it's not like there is a huge dropoff to David Harris. His tackles are down from last year, but that is more of a function of how effective Jenkins has been at clogging the middle.Lots of things you can criticize Mangenius for, but Harris over Vilma ain't one of them IMO.

While a I agree with your final conclusion - I don't think IDP stats tell a good story for an ILB.....I think an ILB will look a lot better Fantasy wise with a horrible player in front of him at DT so, his stats will surge....With Jenkins at DT now, I don't think any ILB will light the world on fire stats wise - At least I hope not. With DROB at DT, I think Vilma's stats were inflated.

 

[Reaper]

Most people in KC think if he and Carl ae back in 2009 that it means they have bad pictures of Clark Hunt.......or that Lamar's boy simply does not care.I would LOVE Herm as a DBs coach, and MAYBE even as D-Coordinator, but not as the head man.

I'd say a BIG NO to Defensive coordinator.. Unless you have seen something lately but, with the Jets they flip floped defenses with the wind and tried to invent a new defense based on the D Herm worked with in Tampa along with the Ted Cotrell Defense... They hired a 3-4 DC to run a Tampa Cover 2, make it up as you go defense... Then fired Cotrell...Herm was never a DC and IMO doesn't really have his own system...I can see him as a DB coach..But, REALLY, Herm is a great guy and could have an amazing influence on young kids. I think he's in the wrong place right now - as a HS or college coach he can shape lives and really do a lot of good.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I used Jonathan Vilma for much of the first half of the season in my IDP, he's having a decent year. Still, it's not like there is a huge dropoff to David Harris. His tackles are down from last year, but that is more of a function of how effective Jenkins has been at clogging the middle.

Lots of things you can criticize Mangenius for, but Harris over Vilma ain't one of them IMO.

While a I agree with your final conclusion - I don't think IDP stats tell a good story for an ILB.....I think an ILB will look a lot better Fantasy wise with a horrible player in front of him at DT so, his stats will surge....

With Jenkins at DT now, I don't think any ILB will light the world on fire stats wise - At least I hope not. With DROB at DT, I think Vilma's stats were inflated.

Nice regurgitation - you just reiterated exactly the same thing I posted.

 

[Reaper]

I used Jonathan Vilma for much of the first half of the season in my IDP, he's having a decent year. Still, it's not like there is a huge dropoff to David Harris. His tackles are down from last year, but that is more of a function of how effective Jenkins has been at clogging the middle.

Lots of things you can criticize Mangenius for, but Harris over Vilma ain't one of them IMO.

While a I agree with your final conclusion - I don't think IDP stats tell a good story for an ILB.....I think an ILB will look a lot better Fantasy wise with a horrible player in front of him at DT so, his stats will surge....

With Jenkins at DT now, I don't think any ILB will light the world on fire stats wise - At least I hope not. With DROB at DT, I think Vilma's stats were inflated.

Nice regurgitation - you just reiterated exactly the same thing I posted.

Sorry - I read it fast and read everything but the Jenkins part...

At least we agree.

 

[baconisgood]

Never have I seen a coach with worse clock management skills. And playing to win seems secondary.

Well your main problem is looking at games and thinking that game management is the most important part (or even a large part) of being an NFL head coach. Your ability to know when to call time outs properly pales in comparison to the skill set needed to walk into a locker room of 50 professional athletes and command their respect and attention.