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Heh Sharks - I am jumping in with both feet it to the waters of an established 12 team 4 man keeper league. Start 1 QB 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 TD. Basic scoring but no PPR. We have an 11 round draft. I pick 10th in each round.How do you figure value for draftpicks with 48 + guys off the board each season ( if you use your 1st round pick on a rookie you can chose to keep him as a 5th keeper) ??How do you decide on value of positions to keep for your 4 players. I'm assuming that you look to keep your best RB's and WR's and keep only a QB that is in the top 5. Same with TE maybe the top 2 Gonzo and Gates? Just looking for keeper league strategies 101 discussion of how keeper leagues differ from Dynasty and Redraft. TIA :popcorn:

 
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Sorry, no help, just want to put my :blackdot: here. I'm converting my redraft league to keeper next season and I want all the info I can get.

 
Heh Sharks - I am jumping in with both feet it to the waters of an established 12 team 4 man keeper league. Start 1 QB 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 TD. Basic scoring but no PPR. We have an 11 round draft. I pick 10th in each round.

How do you figure value for draftpicks with 48 + guys off the board each season ( if you use your 1st round pick on a rookie you can chose to keep him as a 5th keeper) ??

How do you decide on value of positions to keep for your 4 players. I'm assuming that you look to keep your best RB's and WR's and keep only a QB that is in the top 5. Same with TE maybe the top 2 Gonzo and Gates?

Just looking for keeper league strategies 101 discussion of how keeper leagues differ from Dynasty and Redraft.

TIA

:popcorn:
:blackdot: I will revisit and post when have time
 
How do you figure value for draftpicks with 48 + guys off the board each season ( if you use your 1st round pick on a rookie you can chose to keep him as a 5th keeper) ??

How do you decide on value of positions to keep for your 4 players. I'm assuming that you look to keep your best RB's and WR's and keep only a QB that is in the top 5. Same with TE maybe the top 2 Gonzo and Gates?

TIA

:popcorn:
These are just my opinions and how I value/rate the positions/picks:First off, when do you declare keepers? If not for a while, try to estimate which guys will be kept. Be conservative.

Now that you have established the roughly 50 guys kept, look at your team's strengths/weaknesses vs. the keeper list. In some circumstances, you might keep three RBs and one WR, or something that does not make sense other than supply and demand.

In a keep four, I cannot imagine keeping any TE other than Gates. I cannot imagine keeping any QB outside of: Palmer, Manning, McNabb, Brady, or maybe Bulger or Hass.

I look at the player pool and usually see tons of usable TEs and QBs. I am looking at building a very strong core of players to build on. I look at which positions/players will be easier to draft and which are easier to keep.

Obviously, K and Def are out of the picture.

One good benchmark might be Keys' thread or the Top 200 for the top 50 players. I would assume the top 60 players are gone, just to be conservative. Look at the distribution of the positions. Also, if it were a redraft, what would you want after 4 rounds? That gives you an indication as to distribution.

Now, to my beliefs. I value stud RBs two or three times the value of stud WRs, and even more than that for QBs and TEs. I do this because my leaguemates do so. This is the thing most people miss imho. This is where a top 200 list comes in handy. But top 3 QBs, top 3 WRs, Gates, and RBs 6-12 are roughly equitable. Very rough. Palmer is roughly worth CJohnson or roughly RB10 - Dillon/Westbrook/LJordan/Rudi depending on league scoring and personal preferences.

I think the Top 200 proves this to some degree. It might have WRS/QBs rated higher than this, but it looks at redraft. For keeper/dynasty the RBs carry even more weight than most think. If you doubt this, try to trade for a top 10 back. Last year, I traded 1.02 for Rudi and felt thrilled.

Also, if you have a keeper worther QB, TE, or other you will not keep - try to trade. You might even trade 2-for-1s to improve your keepers. In addition, try to trade all non-keepers for picks. Obviously this is not practical, but it has to be a goal. Even if you trade Bettis for the opportunity to move from pick 3.10 to 3.02, it is better than dropping him into the pool. Ithink this is a win/win. For example, I have an average RB and ask the teams REALLY hurting a RB if they are interested. I say "I know he is not worth much, but I think he helps your team". Moving up in a round or even up an entire round helps your team.

Lastly, I would try to determine what you want your team to look like come preseason and work toward that as your goal.

I do not know if this helps or just idle rambling.

 
How do you figure value for draftpicks with 48 + guys off the board each season ( if you use your 1st round pick on a rookie you can chose to keep him as a 5th keeper) ??

How do you decide on value of positions to keep for your 4 players. I'm assuming that you look to keep your best RB's and WR's and keep only a QB that is in the top 5.  Same with TE maybe the top 2 Gonzo and Gates?

  TIA

:popcorn:
These are just my opinions and how I value/rate the positions/picks:First off, when do you declare keepers? If not for a while, try to estimate which guys will be kept. Be conservative.

Now that you have established the roughly 50 guys kept, look at your team's strengths/weaknesses vs. the keeper list. In some circumstances, you might keep three RBs and one WR, or something that does not make sense other than supply and demand.

In a keep four, I cannot imagine keeping any TE other than Gates. I cannot imagine keeping any QB outside of: Palmer, Manning, McNabb, Brady, or maybe Bulger or Hass.

I look at the player pool and usually see tons of usable TEs and QBs. I am looking at building a very strong core of players to build on. I look at which positions/players will be easier to draft and which are easier to keep.

Obviously, K and Def are out of the picture.

One good benchmark might be Keys' thread or the Top 200 for the top 50 players. I would assume the top 60 players are gone, just to be conservative. Look at the distribution of the positions. Also, if it were a redraft, what would you want after 4 rounds? That gives you an indication as to distribution.

Now, to my beliefs. I value stud RBs two or three times the value of stud WRs, and even more than that for QBs and TEs. I do this because my leaguemates do so. This is the thing most people miss imho. This is where a top 200 list comes in handy. But top 3 QBs, top 3 WRs, Gates, and RBs 6-12 are roughly equitable. Very rough. Palmer is roughly worth CJohnson or roughly RB10 - Dillon/Westbrook/LJordan/Rudi depending on league scoring and personal preferences.

I think the Top 200 proves this to some degree. It might have WRS/QBs rated higher than this, but it looks at redraft. For keeper/dynasty the RBs carry even more weight than most think. If you doubt this, try to trade for a top 10 back. Last year, I traded 1.02 for Rudi and felt thrilled.

Also, if you have a keeper worther QB, TE, or other you will not keep - try to trade. You might even trade 2-for-1s to improve your keepers. In addition, try to trade all non-keepers for picks. Obviously this is not practical, but it has to be a goal. Even if you trade Bettis for the opportunity to move from pick 3.10 to 3.02, it is better than dropping him into the pool. Ithink this is a win/win. For example, I have an average RB and ask the teams REALLY hurting a RB if they are interested. I say "I know he is not worth much, but I think he helps your team". Moving up in a round or even up an entire round helps your team.

Lastly, I would try to determine what you want your team to look like come preseason and work toward that as your goal.

I do not know if this helps or just idle rambling.
Great information. It does help alot. Keeper leagues and Dynasty leagues are very different and have different rules of thumb. I'm still learning dynasty but am a real newbie at keeper philosophy. What you said makes a whole lot sense. I will check out the top 200 as you suggested and go from there.
 
How do you figure value for draftpicks with 48 + guys off the board each season ( if you use your 1st round pick on a rookie you can chose to keep him as a 5th keeper) ??

How do you decide on value of positions to keep for your 4 players. I'm assuming that you look to keep your best RB's and WR's and keep only a QB that is in the top 5.  Same with TE maybe the top 2 Gonzo and Gates?

  TIA

:popcorn:
These are just my opinions and how I value/rate the positions/picks:First off, when do you declare keepers? If not for a while, try to estimate which guys will be kept. Be conservative.

Now that you have established the roughly 50 guys kept, look at your team's strengths/weaknesses vs. the keeper list. In some circumstances, you might keep three RBs and one WR, or something that does not make sense other than supply and demand.

In a keep four, I cannot imagine keeping any TE other than Gates. I cannot imagine keeping any QB outside of: Palmer, Manning, McNabb, Brady, or maybe Bulger or Hass.

I look at the player pool and usually see tons of usable TEs and QBs. I am looking at building a very strong core of players to build on. I look at which positions/players will be easier to draft and which are easier to keep.

Obviously, K and Def are out of the picture.

One good benchmark might be Keys' thread or the Top 200 for the top 50 players. I would assume the top 60 players are gone, just to be conservative. Look at the distribution of the positions. Also, if it were a redraft, what would you want after 4 rounds? That gives you an indication as to distribution.

Now, to my beliefs. I value stud RBs two or three times the value of stud WRs, and even more than that for QBs and TEs. I do this because my leaguemates do so. This is the thing most people miss imho. This is where a top 200 list comes in handy. But top 3 QBs, top 3 WRs, Gates, and RBs 6-12 are roughly equitable. Very rough. Palmer is roughly worth CJohnson or roughly RB10 - Dillon/Westbrook/LJordan/Rudi depending on league scoring and personal preferences.

I think the Top 200 proves this to some degree. It might have WRS/QBs rated higher than this, but it looks at redraft. For keeper/dynasty the RBs carry even more weight than most think. If you doubt this, try to trade for a top 10 back. Last year, I traded 1.02 for Rudi and felt thrilled.

Also, if you have a keeper worther QB, TE, or other you will not keep - try to trade. You might even trade 2-for-1s to improve your keepers. In addition, try to trade all non-keepers for picks. Obviously this is not practical, but it has to be a goal. Even if you trade Bettis for the opportunity to move from pick 3.10 to 3.02, it is better than dropping him into the pool. Ithink this is a win/win. For example, I have an average RB and ask the teams REALLY hurting a RB if they are interested. I say "I know he is not worth much, but I think he helps your team". Moving up in a round or even up an entire round helps your team.

Lastly, I would try to determine what you want your team to look like come preseason and work toward that as your goal.

I do not know if this helps or just idle rambling.
Great information. It does help alot. Keeper leagues and Dynasty leagues are very different and have different rules of thumb. I'm still learning dynasty but am a real newbie at keeper philosophy. What you said makes a whole lot sense. I will check out the top 200 as you suggested and go from there.
One thing I did not emphasize like I want to is:Even though you may or may not value RBs strong, your league probably does. RBs are gold in keep four leagues. Most owners will keep at least 2, some 4 RBs. Then, you look up and the top 30 RBs are off the board. Very hard playing catch up. But, a team with RBs of Edge, SJackson, TJones, and even Dunn would have a good start. To me, you would have that position locked up. If you had a WR to keep instead of Dunn, then fine. You have to ask yourself (if it is tight on who to keep) - which one of these two players will for sure not make it to my draft pick.

Also, I would think of every draft pick as being a player to potentially replace a keeper. All about making your team better for years to come.

 

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