Keeper Cost Ideas (1 Viewer)

[The Kansas Comet]

After many years of redraft, my league is transitioning to a keeper league starting with players drafted this year. While I have some good ideas about "pricing" keepers for the 2010 draft, the league is also strongly considering using an auction in 2010. So the dilemma I have is how to assign a dollar value to players that we'll be drafting this season. I thought about taking a player's average auction value this year from some website and adding $5 or $10 to it if he's a keeper for a team in 2010. I figured on using the average auction values from MFL - didn't know if there's a better source to use.

I'm still looking for other possible ideas and hope you have some other takes on the matter. Thanks in advance.

 

[Chumpson]

Draft or Auction? Prices only seem to work with auction format. If you use draft then you can use some sort of give up your draft pick 1 round higher than where they were drafted the previous year. This way 1st round guys can't be kept. Might want to narrow down how many you can keep, or is it unlimited based on draft picks?

If it is an auction, just pick some sort of percentage of increase for players that are kept. I would suggest something like 25% rounded up to the nearest half or full dollar.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

Draft or Auction? Prices only seem to work with auction format. If you use draft then you can use some sort of give up your draft pick 1 round higher than where they were drafted the previous year. This way 1st round guys can't be kept. Might want to narrow down how many you can keep, or is it unlimited based on draft picks? If it is an auction, just pick some sort of percentage of increase for players that are kept. I would suggest something like 25% rounded up to the nearest half or full dollar.

We're drafting this year and then in 2010 will probably transition to an auction. However, we are planning on keeping players drafted this season. What I'm looking for are ideas about how to assign a dollar figure to players kept since they won't have a price, just a draft position in 2009. So if the guy who drafts Peterson in the first round wants to keep him for 2010, how should I determine an auction value for him?

 

[Marcumzilla]

Draft or Auction? Prices only seem to work with auction format. If you use draft then you can use some sort of give up your draft pick 1 round higher than where they were drafted the previous year. This way 1st round guys can't be kept. Might want to narrow down how many you can keep, or is it unlimited based on draft picks? If it is an auction, just pick some sort of percentage of increase for players that are kept. I would suggest something like 25% rounded up to the nearest half or full dollar.

We're drafting this year and then in 2010 will probably transition to an auction. However, we are planning on keeping players drafted this season. What I'm looking for are ideas about how to assign a dollar figure to players kept since they won't have a price, just a draft position in 2009. So if the guy who drafts Peterson in the first round wants to keep him for 2010, how should I determine an auction value for him?

I'd vote making it easier on yourselves and transition both at the same time - either do auction this year, or not keep any from this year and start next year. If you must, using 2009 AAV is probably a fair way to go.For our auction, we tack on $3 annually for keepers (which makes for some crazy inflation if you pull off great bargains). If I were starting one from scratch, a lower number of keepers and higher year-to-year keeping prices would make for the best action at the auction.

 

[bentley]

We did this several years ago. We used average auction value from somewhere to set the baseline. To keep a player the next year, it cost the assigned value + $5. Players could be retained for up to three years total. The inflation and three year contract we've kept in place since the initial transition.

 

[Varmint]

After many years of redraft, my league is transitioning to a keeper league starting with players drafted this year. While I have some good ideas about "pricing" keepers for the 2010 draft, the league is also strongly considering using an auction in 2010. So the dilemma I have is how to assign a dollar value to players that we'll be drafting this season. I thought about taking a player's average auction value this year from some website and adding $5 or $10 to it if he's a keeper for a team in 2010. I figured on using the average auction values from MFL - didn't know if there's a better source to use.

I'm still looking for other possible ideas and hope you have some other takes on the matter. Thanks in advance.

Keepers?? In an Auction Format??By 2010 there will be no keepers allowed in our league.

 

[Steel Dillo]

If you're a subscriber, download draft dominator and imput your leagues scoring system.

Use the values suggested by the DD.

 

[bentley]

After many years of redraft, my league is transitioning to a keeper league starting with players drafted this year. While I have some good ideas about "pricing" keepers for the 2010 draft, the league is also strongly considering using an auction in 2010. So the dilemma I have is how to assign a dollar value to players that we'll be drafting this season. I thought about taking a player's average auction value this year from some website and adding $5 or $10 to it if he's a keeper for a team in 2010. I figured on using the average auction values from MFL - didn't know if there's a better source to use.

I'm still looking for other possible ideas and hope you have some other takes on the matter. Thanks in advance.

Keepers?? In an Auction Format??By 2010 there will be no keepers allowed in our league.

I for one think your habit of putting RANDOM WORDS in all caps and bolding your grammatical errors make this argument all the more convincing. And do you have to do this in every auction thread?

 

[Varmint]

After many years of redraft, my league is transitioning to a keeper league starting with players drafted this year. While I have some good ideas about "pricing" keepers for the 2010 draft, the league is also strongly considering using an auction in 2010. So the dilemma I have is how to assign a dollar value to players that we'll be drafting this season. I thought about taking a player's average auction value this year from some website and adding $5 or $10 to it if he's a keeper for a team in 2010. I figured on using the average auction values from MFL - didn't know if there's a better source to use.

I'm still looking for other possible ideas and hope you have some other takes on the matter. Thanks in advance.

Keepers?? In an Auction Format??By 2010 there will be no keepers allowed in our league.

I for one think your habit of putting RANDOM WORDS in all caps and bolding your grammatical errors make this argument all the more convincing. And do you have to do this in every auction thread?

Sure thing...avoid the argument and point out your grammatical annoyances...That makes your argument (or lack thereof) all the more convincing...

How is tagging keepers in an auction and keeping them from the bidding process any different from picking late in a draft?

The whole idea of the auction format is that every NFL player is available to every fantasy franchise.

Doesn't keeping players defeat the idea?

Oh...and sorry for the double spacing...I'm sure that it is an annoyance to you.

 

[Ray]

Instead of letting teams keep specific players, give each team X "keeper dollars"...money that can only be spent on their former players.

OR...give players a one time X% keeper discount. It may only be used on one former player, and they must win the bid for him.

 

[massraider]

After many years of redraft, my league is transitioning to a keeper league starting with players drafted this year. While I have some good ideas about "pricing" keepers for the 2010 draft, the league is also strongly considering using an auction in 2010. So the dilemma I have is how to assign a dollar value to players that we'll be drafting this season. I thought about taking a player's average auction value this year from some website and adding $5 or $10 to it if he's a keeper for a team in 2010. I figured on using the average auction values from MFL - didn't know if there's a better source to use.

I'm still looking for other possible ideas and hope you have some other takes on the matter. Thanks in advance.

Keepers?? In an Auction Format??By 2010 there will be no keepers allowed in our league.

I for one think your habit of putting RANDOM WORDS in all caps and bolding your grammatical errors make this argument all the more convincing. And do you have to do this in every auction thread?

Sure thing...avoid the argument and point out your grammatical annoyances...That makes your argument (or lack thereof) all the more convincing...

How is tagging keepers in an auction and keeping them from the bidding process any different from picking late in a draft?

The whole idea of the auction format is that every NFL player is available to every fantasy franchise.

Doesn't keeping players defeat the idea?

Oh...and sorry for the double spacing...I'm sure that it is an annoyance to you.

I think that the added strategy of keepers more than makes up for the lack of top-end talent on auction night.Can you prove my opinion wrong?

I have seen nothing from your thread that convinces me my opinion is wrong.

And really, did you think you made any strong arguments in the other thread?

you basically just said, "It sucks the studs are kept", then stuck your fingers in your ears, and repeated everything you already said.

 

[Usual21]

What we do is we allow $75 of the total $200 cap for keepers. The keeper's price is 20% of how many points they scored the year before. For example: If Owens scored 230 points, it would be $43 to keep him. We've been doing it for 8 years now and it works great!

 

[The Kansas Comet]

Thanks for the ideas - some good food for thought here.

 

[Varmint]

After many years of redraft, my league is transitioning to a keeper league starting with players drafted this year. While I have some good ideas about "pricing" keepers for the 2010 draft, the league is also strongly considering using an auction in 2010. So the dilemma I have is how to assign a dollar value to players that we'll be drafting this season. I thought about taking a player's average auction value this year from some website and adding $5 or $10 to it if he's a keeper for a team in 2010. I figured on using the average auction values from MFL - didn't know if there's a better source to use.

I'm still looking for other possible ideas and hope you have some other takes on the matter. Thanks in advance.

Keepers?? In an Auction Format??By 2010 there will be no keepers allowed in our league.

I for one think your habit of putting RANDOM WORDS in all caps and bolding your grammatical errors make this argument all the more convincing. And do you have to do this in every auction thread?

Sure thing...avoid the argument and point out your grammatical annoyances...That makes your argument (or lack thereof) all the more convincing...

How is tagging keepers in an auction and keeping them from the bidding process any different from picking late in a draft?

The whole idea of the auction format is that every NFL player is available to every fantasy franchise.

Doesn't keeping players defeat the idea?

Oh...and sorry for the double spacing...I'm sure that it is an annoyance to you.

I think that the added strategy of keepers more than makes up for the lack of top-end talent on auction night.Can you prove my opinion wrong?

I have seen nothing from your thread that convinces me my opinion is wrong.

And really, did you think you made any strong arguments in the other thread?

you basically just said, "It sucks the studs are kept", then stuck your fingers in your ears, and repeated everything you already said.

The "Strategy" of Keepers?That's laughable....there is no strategy.

You pick up a player for cheap...wait to see if his situation changes for the better.

If it does...and his current price tag is lower than what he'd bring at auction...you keep him.

If it doesn't and you could get him for the same amount or less at the auction...you drop him.

Take M. Turner for example:

A few years ago the LT owner decides to handcuff him with Turner and it cost him $1

Handcuff strategy...or Keeper strategy??

There was absolutely no talk of a trade before that season...none.

Turner gets traded in the off-season and his value skyrockets.

The owner can now tag Turner and keep him for a very de-valued price....and he got at zero risk...well...maybe a $1 risk.

Where was the strategy in this?

It was pure, dumb luck.

Most leagues have roster space enough to allow owners to tuck away a $1 player and see what happens without an ounce of risk.

Where is the risk in keeping a player?

It's the same risk you take when bidding on a player...except nobody could bid against you so you enter the auction with an advantage that you did nothing to earn.

Yep...Keepers are a crutch for those who seriously doubt their auction skills and those who depend on this element of luck will never admit it.

 

[Defending Champs]

Our cap is $150 for a 13 team roster.

We do a $5 increase at a minimum.

We put a minimum of $20 salary cap for any RB, so even if you draft him for $1, he blows up for 15 TD's, he's yours for $20 on draft day.

You can only keep any one player for 2 years, this helps keep the auction/draft as fresh as possible while rewarding those who did their homework and saw the rookie value.

We keep a max of two players and there is obviously a ton of variations of keeper leagues.

 

[LAUNCH]

Take M. Turner for example:A few years ago the LT owner decides to handcuff him with Turner and it cost him $1Handcuff strategy...or Keeper strategy??There was absolutely no talk of a trade before that season...none.Turner gets traded in the off-season and his value skyrockets.The owner can now tag Turner and keep him for a very de-valued price....and he got at zero risk...well...maybe a $1 risk.Where was the strategy in this?It was pure, dumb luck.

Isn't knowing when a person is a free agent and targeting them and maybe even overpaying for them that initial year in the hopes that something will work out for you part of the challenge?

 

[Defending Champs]

Take M. Turner for example:A few years ago the LT owner decides to handcuff him with Turner and it cost him $1Handcuff strategy...or Keeper strategy??There was absolutely no talk of a trade before that season...none.Turner gets traded in the off-season and his value skyrockets.The owner can now tag Turner and keep him for a very de-valued price....and he got at zero risk...well...maybe a $1 risk.Where was the strategy in this?It was pure, dumb luck.

Isn't knowing when a person is a free agent and targeting them and maybe even overpaying for them that initial year in the hopes that something will work out for you part of the challenge?

I couldn't agree any more. I don't see this as dumb luck at all, in fact, no luck what so ever. The guy (Turner) went nuts in various roles while filling in for Tomlinson. It was well known that he was going to be a free agent and we actually had a bidding war for his services while he was still in San Diego. We all knew what kind of talent he was and were willing to pay the year BEFORE he became a free agent.There is some luck involved with having a back up to a RB1 that gets hurt. But I wouldn't call it dumb luck. Knowing who backs up what player is one thing, but knowing who might actually be good when tossed into a new role is a whole different story.Luck plays a role in FF, but not dumb luck...well, maybe a little dumb luck