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Keeper League Ends Prematurely... (1 Viewer)

Master Shake

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I have the pleasue to be in a 5 year keeper league that has ended prematurely. Several other FBG's are in this league, feel free to jump in here If I have left out any important details. The question at hand is what to do with the prize money currently between $3,000 & $4,000 the options are....

main ones:

1) refund all eligible (paid) teams

2) split the pot between the 4 teams in the running

a) evenly or b) decending percentage accorind to record of 4 teams.

additional proposals

3) payout top 3 teams, gold silver bronze fashion

4) take all funds and have a minnesota vikings style draft party next year.

Details of the league specifics are listed below (LONG) .

The format of the league is a 12 team, keep 3, money league, winner take all format. meaning that the only payouts are: 1) $10 to the weekly winner and 2) the guy with the best record at the end of 5 years takes the entire pot.

This is the second set of 5 years for this league. this first 5 years went off beautifully, highly competitive, owner involvement was higher than any other league I have ever been in, trades out the wazoo, generally a "fun" league to be in. The winner of the league came down to week 17 year 5, with more than half the league "in it" with 4-5 weeks to go in year 5.

For this series of 5 years we expanded from 8 to 12 teams. we lined up 11 teams no problem, and rounded up a 12th team to fill out the league. After year 1, the 12th owner bailed, leaving the best record and arguably the best team behind. paid his dues with appologies that he knew he would not be able to handle the amount of involvement expected by the remainder of the league. A search was performed and a replacement owner was found. This owner proceeded to poorly manage this team, take even less interest than the previous owner, and after leaving his team in shambles and record in near last place, quit 1 week before the year 4 draft.

We scrambled and decided to put players back in the redraft pool, and have the newly created bye week play an "Average" of all other owners scores that week for the last two years. problem solved but more to come.

Then comes week 3(yr 4), final collection notice date for late league dues. Our rules state that anyone who is not paid in full after week 3 would begin to score 0 pts until payments are made. Our commish enforced this rule to 2 delinquient teams who scores showed up with 0 pts for that week. Shortly after this, we find that one of the delinquent teams(one of the original 8), proceeds to drop all of his players and indicated that he was going to quit the leauge based upon some differences of opinion with the commissioner, claims of cheating, etc.

consequentially the league has decided that it has been compromised and should be brought to a premature end. In terms of winning the overall cumulative record, only 4 teams have a legitimate shot to win the league. the remaining teams all acknowledge and agree that teams 5-12 are already out of the running for the league championship. Admittedly, our rules were spotty at best, but there was certainly no provisions for a total league collapse. As a result, we now have 9 paid owners, 1 more owner who has made arrangements to pay, 4 teams in the running, between $3,000 & $4,000 in unallocated prize money, and no concensus on how to move forward.

right now the core group will move to a rules heavy, true dynasty format with entrance and exit requirements. but we are divided as to what to do with that big chunk of cash out there. We all have been friends for 10 ~ 15 years, and have been playing together in some form of this league for the same period of time, and sometimes money has a way of getting in the way of friendships. This is why I am soliciting some outside opinions on the matter.

Several proposals are out there right now.

main ones:

1) refund all eligible (paid) teams

2) split the pot between the 4 teams in the running

a) evenly or b) decending percentage accorind to record of 4 teams.

additional proposals

3) payout top 3 teams, gold silver bronze fashion

4) take all funds and have a minnesota vikings style draft party next year.

all input is welcomed

Thanks SHAKE

 
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I'd refund everyone their dues from this season, since part of what they paid for was the joy of competing, and that never happened this year. I'd then take the remaining money and pay it out in a tiered system (i.e. the best player getting the biggest share, the 4th best player getting the smallest share), and possibly keep a portion of the pot back for a nice draft party next year.

 
Think Congress. (No, seriously.)

House of Reps (different by state) and Senate (2 per state).

Let's say there is $4,000 in the pot.

Split that evenly - $2,000 in group A and $2,000 in group B.

Group A gets divided evenly among every team. ($2,000 divided by 12 teams = $166.67)

Group B gets divided among the 4 teams actually in contention. ($2,000 divided by 4 teams = $500)

So the four teams in contention end up with $666.67, while the other 8 teams end up with $166.67.

No one can (or I should say that no one 'should') complain about this as it is extremely fair.

 
think you have to just refund everyone and pretend it never happened, honestly.
:goodposting: It's the only answer really!You never finished therefore nobody deserves any more money than the rest. I find it hard to believe that with 1.75 years left that only 4 teams had a chance to win it all.

Even the dude that bailed after year one should get his money back.

 
think you have to just refund everyone and pretend it never happened, honestly.
:goodposting: It's the only answer really!You never finished therefore nobody deserves any more money than the rest. I find it hard to believe that with 1.75 years left that only 4 teams had a chance to win it all.

Even the dude that bailed after year one should get his money back.
I agree on #1 option.
 
Everyone that paid should be refunded. Like SSOG said, you paid for a competitive league, and no one got it. Another week or two into the season I'd say split it among the contending teams, but this early you should just refund.

 
No way the teams that bailed should get any money back.

For y'all that think that, what happens if teams just decide to bail, beacuse they have no shot at winning?? They should get their money back? NO WAY IN HELL!

Teams that bailed get nothing.

Remaining teams split it evenly.

Unless the teams who are out of it agree to a tiered system. Then the teams in contention can split it according to record, or play the year out with what players you have. May as well.

 
I honestly don't see why having someone fill in for the quitter and finish the rest of the season isn't an option here.

That being said, if you are folding the league, entry fees should be returned to all paying owners.

 
Negate the teams that left, freeze the players from the other teams and keep on playing.

 
3.5 years into a 5 year deal and only 4 of 12 teams are in the running. The remaining time wasn't going to be much fun for most of the league anyway.

Give everyone back what they paid this season (like SSOG said) and whatever they've paid for next year, if anything, and let the four remaining competitive teams divvy up the rest however they decide is best - they should get more for succeeding to this point. They could continue to play just against each other in a couple of round robin turns this year to decide the payout.

 
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I think the key here is that this is a league whoe standigns comprise 5 seasons.

I like the idea of the refunding everyone (who did not bail) for this year only, and splitting the prior 4 years of the pot between the 4 teams in the running.

 
I'd refund everyone their dues from this season, since part of what they paid for was the joy of competing, and that never happened this year. I'd then take the remaining money and pay it out in a tiered system (i.e. the best player getting the biggest share, the 4th best player getting the smallest share), and possibly keep a portion of the pot back for a nice draft party next year.
sound... i think this solution touches all bases
 
Think Congress. (No, seriously.)

House of Reps (different by state) and Senate (2 per state).

Let's say there is $4,000 in the pot.

Split that evenly - $2,000 in group A and $2,000 in group B.

Group A gets divided evenly among every team. ($2,000 divided by 12 teams = $166.67)

Group B gets divided among the 4 teams actually in contention. ($2,000 divided by 4 teams = $500)

So the four teams in contention end up with $666.67, while the other 8 teams end up with $166.67.

No one can (or I should say that no one 'should') complain about this as it is extremely fair.
:shock: think congress indeed

 
I'd refund everyone their dues from this season, since part of what they paid for was the joy of competing, and that never happened this year. I'd then take the remaining money and pay it out in a tiered system (i.e. the best player getting the biggest share, the 4th best player getting the smallest share), and possibly keep a portion of the pot back for a nice draft party next year.
sound... i think this solution touches all bases
I like this solution as well, or divide the remaining money 5 ways, each of the 4 owners get a 1/5 share and the last fifth is for a draft party next year. As far as payouts go, if they are uneven: either 40,30,20,10 would be my suggestion.
 
I would finish the league out with those willing to play on. The rest forfeited their right to any money's when they quit or failed to pay.

Drop all the players from the teams that have given up. Then let the teams pick players in reverse standing order as if you were drafting.

Just my $.02

 
If i was in last place and i didn't get a refund i would stab someone.

Last year the guy who won my league started out 0-5 and then went undefeated the rest of the season.

 
I would finish the league out with those willing to play on. The rest forfeited their right to any money's when they quit or failed to pay.

Drop all the players from the teams that have given up. Then let the teams pick players in reverse standing order as if you were drafting.

Just my $.02
I think that's a HORRIBLE idea. You'd give the worst team in the league LaDanian Tomlinson and the best team in the league Troy Williamson. In a competitive league, adding a Tomlinson, or a McNabb, or a Torry Holt for free is a DEVASTATING advantage that will drastically and unfairly skew the balance of power.If you're going to go on without those teams, I believe you have to freeze their players and make it so they don't wind up on ANY roster. They have to spend the rest of the season in limbo.

 
REFUND for all who paid. that's easy.

Reason? There can be no "winner(s)" without the benefit of a full season. Some teams are built for success later on, ie Portis drafters who took the hit the first 2 weeks.

 
Refund, is there really another option? The NFL should give the Superbowl trophy to the Bears and Colts since obviously 1/2 of the league is just not ready to play at this level.

 
Donate all the money to a charity, such as the Lance Armstrong Foundation --- or better yet, to your local food bank.

And then get a new group of friends with more integrity who aren't such big kitty-cats.

What? You asked...

 
I too would suggest refunding all the original money since the league never ran it's course. There is no perfect solution but this is probably the best you can do.

 
Minny Style Boat Party sounds like a winner to me!

Hear the Footsteps had a good idea to take half and split it over everyone and half to those 4 in contention. If you don't like that then I guess you have to refund everyone their whole slice of the pie.

YUM (cuz I luv pie)

 
I'd refund everyone their dues from this season, since part of what they paid for was the joy of competing, and that never happened this year. I'd then take the remaining money and pay it out in a tiered system (i.e. the best player getting the biggest share, the 4th best player getting the smallest share), and possibly keep a portion of the pot back for a nice draft party next year.
:goodposting: Although i would not give money back to the teams that quit before the mutual decision to disband the league.
 
You've all missed the obviously correct answer:

Send the money to me. It's been tainted by the betrayal of the sissy teams who quit or didn't pay (thus cursing the rest of the purse). For you to use any of it would bring about horrible misfortune. Luckily, I know the ancient Chinese secret to launder the money and use it for my kids education... or a plasma TV.

Oh, or you could return the money to all of the non-quiting participants.

 
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davper said:
I would finish the league out with those willing to play on. The rest forfeited their right to any money's when they quit or failed to pay.Drop all the players from the teams that have given up. Then let the teams pick players in reverse standing order as if you were drafting.Just my $.02
:goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting:
 

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