Keeper Leagues (1 Viewer)

[skillz]

Any keeper leagues ever have this problem, or have rules to address it? Keeper lists were due 8/1. One team in our 12 team league has not submitted his list yet. This is the first time in six years this has happened in our league, and the team involved has been in the league all six years. I was thinking that a future rule of losing a draft pick, or something like that may avoid a repeat of the problem for next year. Although it's not a big deal if he is a day or two late, my concern is that the other teams turned their list in on time. So, what happens if my team has a protected player get hurt today. I don't think it is fair that I would be stuck with that player on my team because I did what I was supposed to do and protected him on time, whereas the team that is late could have a player get injured today and then submit a protected list that takes the injury into account by protecting a different player.

Maybe I am overreacting but I just thought I would solicit others thoughts on the subject.

 

[sirfumblesalot]

I would have a "soft" date when keepers are chosen. July 1 or something like that. That way, if teams don't get their keepers in by the deadline, you can revert to those. If they don't get their keepers in by the soft deadline it is OK and you have a little time to follow-up with the team. This way you're not surprised if the team doesn't get their keepers in to you.

 

[videoguy505]

In my league, if your keepers aren't in on time, you automatically keep the 3 highest scorers on your roster, using last years numbers. Usually that means 2 defeneses and a QB.

 

[Crazy8s]

$5 per day late in my league.

 

[ImTheScientist]

For every day late there will be one lashing to be recieved upon arival at the Draft.

 

[T Man]

In our league, keepers are to be announced on a set date three weeks before the draft. Failure to identify a keeper gives you a warning e-mailthat if you don't identify them within the next seven days (2 weeks before the draft), you automatically will lose the right to keep anyone on your roster.

Of course, we also have a rule that says if your keeper has a season ending injury before the draft, you can drop the keeper - although you cannot name a replacement keeper.

 

[upirish22]

Any keeper leagues ever have this problem, or have rules to address it? Keeper lists were due 8/1. One team in our 12 team league has not submitted his list yet. This is the first time in six years this has happened in our league, and the team involved has been in the league all six years. I was thinking that a future rule of losing a draft pick, or something like that may avoid a repeat of the problem for next year. Although it's not a big deal if he is a day or two late, my concern is that the other teams turned their list in on time. So, what happens if my team has a protected player get hurt today. I don't think it is fair that I would be stuck with that player on my team because I did what I was supposed to do and protected him on time, whereas the team that is late could have a player get injured today and then submit a protected list that takes the injury into account by protecting a different player.Maybe I am overreacting but I just thought I would solicit others thoughts on the subject.

Hmm........ well if your going to let them submitt keeprs late then why have a date. If you miss the date then you dont keep him and he is in the draft pool for everyone else. Dont want this to happen dont miss the date!

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Penalize him in the draft by making him select last in a round or something.

 

[GregR_2]

Guess I don't see the issue. Don't submit your waiver claims, you don't get anyone from waivers. Don't submit your keeper list, you don't keep anyone.

Happened in one of my leagues 2 years ago. The guy lost Peyton as a result, the season he throws 49 TDs. I felt bad for him, but then he got about 5 emails reminding of the deadline, including 2 in the 3 days prior to the deadline.

 

[kupcho1]

Guess I don't see the issue. Don't submit your waiver claims, you don't get anyone from waivers. Don't submit your keeper list, you don't keep anyone.

That's our rule as well.What do your league rules say?

 

[Robbie Cooper]

We keep 5 players in our league (of 17 roster spots). It is mandatory to keep 5 players. We have two cut down dates.

The first date (Aug 1) is a cut to 8 players. We feel that this initial cut helps all coaches to start better preparing for the draft. I wrote the following language into our rules (voted and unanimously):

Rosters must be cut to 8 players — You may not carry a player on IR at this time. If this deadline is missed, a $25 fee will be immediately assessed and the coach will be notified that they have missed the deadline. At this point the coach has 3 days to cut the team to 8 players. At midnight on the third day, an additional $25 fee will be assessed and the league commissioner will reduce the roster to 8 players by retaining the 8 players with the least fantasy points from the previous year and releasing the rest to the free agent pool.

Any owner who fails to comply with the roster cut-down dates will not be able to make any trades until their roster has been cut to the required size.

The second cut-down date is to 5 players, and occurs one week before the draft. This allows owners a full week to run mock drafts and finalize their draft strategies.Here is the rule straight from our rule book for missing this cut-down date:

Rosters must be cut to 5 players — You may not carry a player on IR at this time. If this deadline is missed, a $25 fee will be immediately assessed and the coach will be notified that they have missed the deadline. At this point the coach has 3 days to cut the team to 5 players. At midnight on the third day, an additional $25 fee will be assessed and the league commissioner will reduce the roster to 5 players by retaining the 5 players with the least fantasy points from the previous year and releasing the rest to the free agent pool.

Any owner who fails to comply with the roster cut-down dates will not be able to make any trades until their roster has been cut to the required size.

 

[TSB_VaKnight]

Any keeper leagues ever have this problem, or have rules to address it? Keeper lists were due 8/1. One team in our 12 team league has not submitted his list yet. This is the first time in six years this has happened in our league, and the team involved has been in the league all six years. I was thinking that a future rule of losing a draft pick, or something like that may avoid a repeat of the problem for next year. Although it's not a big deal if he is a day or two late, my concern is that the other teams turned their list in on time. So, what happens if my team has a protected player get hurt today. I don't think it is fair that I would be stuck with that player on my team because I did what I was supposed to do and protected him on time, whereas the team that is late could have a player get injured today and then submit a protected list that takes the injury into account by protecting a different player.Maybe I am overreacting but I just thought I would solicit others thoughts on the subject.

Our leagues rule if if ya don't submit your list on time the players stay on your team through the draft, eating up thier picks and salary until they can drop them during the 1st f/a period.

 

[videoguy505]

Guess I don't see the issue. Don't submit your waiver claims, you don't get anyone from waivers. Don't submit your keeper list, you don't keep anyone.

That's our rule as well.What do your league rules say?

The problem is for those leagues that draft via website like sportsline--each team has to start with an equal number of keepers or else the snake is all messed up, there's no way to easily give one team 3 more draft choices than everyone else. All teams have to start with the same roster sizes.

 

[Angry Beavers]

maybe he did not want to keep anyone so he did not submit a list!!

Therefore, he loses his entire roster. This will not be a popular decision, but is a sure way to avoid it from happenning again

 

[GregR_2]

Guess I don't see the issue. Don't submit your waiver claims, you don't get anyone from waivers. Don't submit your keeper list, you don't keep anyone.

That's our rule as well.What do your league rules say?

The problem is for those leagues that draft via website like sportsline--each team has to start with an equal number of keepers or else the snake is all messed up, there's no way to easily give one team 3 more draft choices than everyone else. All teams have to start with the same roster sizes.

You're telling me CBS -- who charges nearly twice as much as MFL, RTS, etc -- can't even handle variable numbers of keepers or letting you drop draft picks in an individual round?Well there is your solution. Move to a website that has the basic functionality necessary for keeper leagues.

 

[The Commish]

In my league, if you don't get your keepers in on time, you lose the chance to have them at all and you pick up free agents at the end of the draft. So far....no problems.

 

[jpeeters]

Our league has a large number of keepers (seven), so it would be extremely punitive and messy to have teams forfeit all keepers. Still, it wasn't a problem until last year when two or three teams didn't submit a list in time. So I went through their rosters and picked their best seven players based upon the most current FBG rankings at the time. Probably did a better job than they would have.

 

[videoguy505]

Guess I don't see the issue. Don't submit your waiver claims, you don't get anyone from waivers. Don't submit your keeper list, you don't keep anyone.

That's our rule as well.What do your league rules say?

The problem is for those leagues that draft via website like sportsline--each team has to start with an equal number of keepers or else the snake is all messed up, there's no way to easily give one team 3 more draft choices than everyone else. All teams have to start with the same roster sizes.

You're telling me CBS -- who charges nearly twice as much as MFL, RTS, etc -- can't even handle variable numbers of keepers or letting you drop draft picks in an individual round?Well there is your solution. Move to a website that has the basic functionality necessary for keeper leagues.

CBS does now, but didn't in the past when we made our rule. Anyway, when should teams without some/any keepers pick? Before the first round of teams with players? i.e., team 1-11 have 3 keepers, 12 has 1 or 2 players. Should 12 get picks before the rest of the teams to catch up? If so, that sucks, because he'll nab the best unkept player or Reggie Bush ahead of his proper draft slot. Having to keep players is not always a benefit, in my league there's a guy who's going to have to decide between Daunte Culpepper or Matt Jones as a third keeper, wasting what's equivalent to a third round pick on late round talent. If he could choose not to keep either, he would.

 

[GregR_2]

CBS does now, but didn't in the past when we made our rule. Anyway, when should teams without some/any keepers pick? Before the first round of teams with players? i.e., team 1-11 have 3 keepers, 12 has 1 or 2 players. Should 12 get picks before the rest of the teams to catch up? If so, that sucks, because he'll nab the best unkept player or Reggie Bush ahead of his proper draft slot. Having to keep players is not always a benefit, in my league there's a guy who's going to have to decide between Daunte Culpepper or Matt Jones as a third keeper, wasting what's equivalent to a third round pick on late round talent. If he could choose not to keep either, he would.

Let's view this situation from a different angle. Why do you want to have keepers? Is it because you want keep the strong teams strong and the weak teams weak? Or is it because you want to increase the amount of strategy in the league? If your goal is to set up your rules to keep the weak teams down, then you probably don't want to let players go out and get undrafted vets and rookies by passing on their keepers. As it is, a keeper system already helps more the strong team who has 3 guys worth more than what his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks could take in a redraft. But with the way you're talking about doing it, not only are you making the strong teams first 3 picks better, you're making the weak teams first 3 picks a lot worse since some team might have to use what amounts to his 3rd pick on a 5th round player if that is the best he has. I would hope your goal isn't to oppress the weak teams though. Does allowing teams to pick up guys from the unkept and rookie pool create more strategy, while lestening the "prop up the strong team" affect? I'd say definitely yes. I would want owners to have to evaluate their best 3 keepers, and to decide what the best players are that will be thrown back into the pool, along with the rookies, and decide what their best option is. That's adding strategy. And the fact that sometimes weak teams that are run wisely might be better off by cutting all their guys and selecting from the pool evens out some of the advantage strong teams get from having keepers. But it only evens it out if the weak team show appropriate skill in evaluating their situation and then making a good choice.To me, that's what FF should be about.

 

[Hawk]

CBS finally allows you to set the draft order however you want and to change each pick if it is traded. It also has a feature to allow owners to set their keepers.

If you are in a league with friends, and you want it to survive long term and not lose owners over deadlines like this, I use a much simpler rule in my keep 5 league. If you don't turn in your keepers on time, then I (as commissioner) am going to select your 5 keepers for you. If you don't like my selections...tough, should have gotten your keepers in on time.

This rule has the benefit of easy application (usually the 5 keepers are pretty obvious), yet not overly punitive to the point that the owner will want to quit the league because his roster has been decimated. Finding replacement owners for keeper leagues is hard enough, but if you make the team keep the 5 worst players, or keep no players, who will agree to take that team over when the owner quits? In applying the rule, I treat the team as if it were my team. Which players would I keep?

This rule has worked very well and has turned the few keeper deadline problems we have had into total non-issues while also avoiding long-term bad feelings and fights). As long as you make reasonable choices, the guilty owner really has no room to complain.

 

[heckmanm]

Our league has a large number of keepers (seven), so it would be extremely punitive and messy to have teams forfeit all keepers. Still, it wasn't a problem until last year when two or three teams didn't submit a list in time. So I went through their rosters and picked their best seven players based upon the most current FBG rankings at the time. Probably did a better job than they would have.

Similar in my league. Keep-7, contract league. We put in a rule last year outlining the default keeper process - anybody still under contract is automatically kept, and open slots are filled in with the highest-scoring players not under contract.We didn't have anybody miss the deadline this year, but the last guy in under the wire I think would have dropped Culpepper and kept a kicker because the kicker had more points.We also allow one drop/add between August 1 and the draft, in case a keeper gets hurt/cut/arrested/etc.