Keeper Rules Question... (1 Viewer)

[PRAE]

Here are my basic keeper rules

- can keep up to 3 players (any positions)

- cant keep players drafted in rounds 1-3 of the previous seasons draft

- can only keep a player up to 3 times

- you give up two rounds higher than the player was drafted the previous year (drafted someon in the 5th..give up 3rd)

- keepers are due usually a few weeks before the draft (this year keepers due on the 16th...draft on the 30th)

My question is, if a player were to get injured in between when the keepers are due and the draft can an owner drop them?? Or are they stuck with them until after the draft...at which time they could drop. For example, someone keeps Gore...then he gets hurt sometime this week... can he be dropped, and the draft spot opened back up for a pick?

Also do my basic rules look ok?? Thanks!

 

[BoltzNBrew]

Why would anyone want to keep anybody under these rules?

 

[j3r3m3y]

Here are my basic keeper rules- can keep up to 3 players (any positions)- cant keep players drafted in rounds 1-3 of the previous seasons draft- can only keep a player up to 3 times- you give up two rounds higher than the player was drafted the previous year (drafted someon in the 5th..give up 3rd)- keepers are due usually a few weeks before the draft (this year keepers due on the 16th...draft on the 30th)My question is, if a player were to get injured in between when the keepers are due and the draft can an owner drop them?? Or are they stuck with them until after the draft...at which time they could drop. For example, someone keeps Gore...then he gets hurt sometime this week... can he be dropped, and the draft spot opened back up for a pick?Also do my basic rules look ok?? Thanks!

A) we declare "probable keepers" a month in advance, to give the other owners a heads up. We declare official keepers the night before the draft to avoid the issue of injured keepers.B) Your basic rules are too strict in my opinion. Why would you want to give up a 3rd round pick to protect a 5th round player? We keep three and given those rules I would probably only keep Colston from last years team. In effect you are rewarding only the owners who get lucky and draft players that vastly out perform their draft position.

 

[PRAE]

Why would anyone want to keep anybody under these rules?

why not? I am keeping Gore this year (for a 3rd)....and Brees (for a 6th)... Whats wrong with that?

 

[PRAE]

Here are my basic keeper rules- can keep up to 3 players (any positions)- cant keep players drafted in rounds 1-3 of the previous seasons draft- can only keep a player up to 3 times- you give up two rounds higher than the player was drafted the previous year (drafted someon in the 5th..give up 3rd)- keepers are due usually a few weeks before the draft (this year keepers due on the 16th...draft on the 30th)My question is, if a player were to get injured in between when the keepers are due and the draft can an owner drop them?? Or are they stuck with them until after the draft...at which time they could drop. For example, someone keeps Gore...then he gets hurt sometime this week... can he be dropped, and the draft spot opened back up for a pick?Also do my basic rules look ok?? Thanks!

A) we declare "probable keepers" a month in advance, to give the other owners a heads up. We declare official keepers the night before the draft to avoid the issue of injured keepers.B) Your basic rules are too strict in my opinion. Why would you want to give up a 3rd round pick to protect a 5th round player? We keep three and given those rules I would probably only keep Colston from last years team. In effect you are rewarding only the owners who get lucky and draft players that vastly out perform their draft position.

would you mind sharing your keeper rules? I am open to options for next year... I just found these somewhere last year. There were a fair amount of players kept this year though...but the draft will still have big names in it...I guess thats what I liked about these rules. thanks for any information...

 

[j3r3m3y]

Here are my basic keeper rules- can keep up to 3 players (any positions)- cant keep players drafted in rounds 1-3 of the previous seasons draft- can only keep a player up to 3 times- you give up two rounds higher than the player was drafted the previous year (drafted someon in the 5th..give up 3rd)- keepers are due usually a few weeks before the draft (this year keepers due on the 16th...draft on the 30th)My question is, if a player were to get injured in between when the keepers are due and the draft can an owner drop them?? Or are they stuck with them until after the draft...at which time they could drop. For example, someone keeps Gore...then he gets hurt sometime this week... can he be dropped, and the draft spot opened back up for a pick?Also do my basic rules look ok?? Thanks!

A) we declare "probable keepers" a month in advance, to give the other owners a heads up. We declare official keepers the night before the draft to avoid the issue of injured keepers.B) Your basic rules are too strict in my opinion. Why would you want to give up a 3rd round pick to protect a 5th round player? We keep three and given those rules I would probably only keep Colston from last years team. In effect you are rewarding only the owners who get lucky and draft players that vastly out perform their draft position.

would you mind sharing your keeper rules? I am open to options for next year... I just found these somewhere last year. There were a fair amount of players kept this year though...but the draft will still have big names in it...I guess thats what I liked about these rules. thanks for any information...

Ours are pretty simple. Everyone keeps 3. Your roster is yours until keepers are declared (which is the day before draft day).You lose out on the "big names" on draft day, but we accept that. The problem I have with the system you are using is exactly what I said earlier. It only rewards those lucky enough to pick up late round players that over-perform their draft slot.

 

[PRAE]

Here are my basic keeper rules- can keep up to 3 players (any positions)- cant keep players drafted in rounds 1-3 of the previous seasons draft- can only keep a player up to 3 times- you give up two rounds higher than the player was drafted the previous year (drafted someon in the 5th..give up 3rd)- keepers are due usually a few weeks before the draft (this year keepers due on the 16th...draft on the 30th)My question is, if a player were to get injured in between when the keepers are due and the draft can an owner drop them?? Or are they stuck with them until after the draft...at which time they could drop. For example, someone keeps Gore...then he gets hurt sometime this week... can he be dropped, and the draft spot opened back up for a pick?Also do my basic rules look ok?? Thanks!

A) we declare "probable keepers" a month in advance, to give the other owners a heads up. We declare official keepers the night before the draft to avoid the issue of injured keepers.B) Your basic rules are too strict in my opinion. Why would you want to give up a 3rd round pick to protect a 5th round player? We keep three and given those rules I would probably only keep Colston from last years team. In effect you are rewarding only the owners who get lucky and draft players that vastly out perform their draft position.

would you mind sharing your keeper rules? I am open to options for next year... I just found these somewhere last year. There were a fair amount of players kept this year though...but the draft will still have big names in it...I guess thats what I liked about these rules. thanks for any information...

Ours are pretty simple. Everyone keeps 3. Your roster is yours until keepers are declared (which is the day before draft day).You lose out on the "big names" on draft day, but we accept that. The problem I have with the system you are using is exactly what I said earlier. It only rewards those lucky enough to pick up late round players that over-perform their draft slot.

OK thanks... I understand about the luck...you will always have some of that. I guess I would rather not have the person that is lucky enough to get the first pick get to have LT for 3 years (or however many years you can keep your keepers). I see it both ways though.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Here are my basic keeper rules- can keep up to 3 players (any positions)- cant keep players drafted in rounds 1-3 of the previous seasons draft- can only keep a player up to 3 times- you give up two rounds higher than the player was drafted the previous year (drafted someon in the 5th..give up 3rd)- keepers are due usually a few weeks before the draft (this year keepers due on the 16th...draft on the 30th)My question is, if a player were to get injured in between when the keepers are due and the draft can an owner drop them?? Or are they stuck with them until after the draft...at which time they could drop. For example, someone keeps Gore...then he gets hurt sometime this week... can he be dropped, and the draft spot opened back up for a pick?Also do my basic rules look ok?? Thanks!

A) we declare "probable keepers" a month in advance, to give the other owners a heads up. We declare official keepers the night before the draft to avoid the issue of injured keepers.B) Your basic rules are too strict in my opinion. Why would you want to give up a 3rd round pick to protect a 5th round player? We keep three and given those rules I would probably only keep Colston from last years team. In effect you are rewarding only the owners who get lucky and draft players that vastly out perform their draft position.

would you mind sharing your keeper rules? I am open to options for next year... I just found these somewhere last year. There were a fair amount of players kept this year though...but the draft will still have big names in it...I guess thats what I liked about these rules. thanks for any information...

Ours are pretty simple. Everyone keeps 3. Your roster is yours until keepers are declared (which is the day before draft day).You lose out on the "big names" on draft day, but we accept that. The problem I have with the system you are using is exactly what I said earlier. It only rewards those lucky enough to pick up late round players that over-perform their draft slot.

OK thanks... I understand about the luck...you will always have some of that. I guess I would rather not have the person that is lucky enough to get the first pick get to have LT for 3 years (or however many years you can keep your keepers). I see it both ways though.

I won last year without LT At first it seems like missing out on the big names on draft day is a big deal but it is easily made up by good owners. And other names become "big" names.I am looking forward to going into the season knowing I have Brown, Westbrook and Manning locked up.

 

[Lash]

nothing wrong with these rules shep

matter o fact they are a very common set, used by many leagues

don't know what those other guys are talking about

you draft a colston in round 25 and its HUGE in these types of leagues

i love it

as for your question, they can replace an injured player but ONLY if it is serious which is up for your league to decide (4 weeks? , 6 weeks?, season? etc)

 

[Nemesis]

Here are my basic keeper rules

- can keep up to 3 players (any positions)

- cant keep players drafted in rounds 1-3 of the previous seasons draft

- can only keep a player up to 3 times

- you give up two rounds higher than the player was drafted the previous year (drafted someon in the 5th..give up 3rd)

- keepers are due usually a few weeks before the draft (this year keepers due on the 16th...draft on the 30th)

My question is, if a player were to get injured in between when the keepers are due and the draft can an owner drop them?? Or are they stuck with them until after the draft...at which time they could drop. For example, someone keeps Gore...then he gets hurt sometime this week... can he be dropped, and the draft spot opened back up for a pick?

I allow my owners to change their keepers.....but I charge them a regular transaction fee of $4. That way, it allows for major injuries but prevents people from trying to monkey with the whole process.

 

[turnit643]

Our rule about injured keepers between the keeper-designation date and draft day (one week in this league) is: you can elect to throw the player back, but if you do, your pick slips to the end of the round you planned to keep him in. Since our keepers are optional, it just adds a bit of risk to the whole thing. Of course our rules are a bit different concerning the rounds in which keepers are penciled-in so that makes some difference as well (up to three keepers, all keepers fill in the top three rounds).

 

[SSOG]

Why would anyone want to keep anybody under these rules?

Steven Jackson for a 5th rounderAntonio Gates for a 13th rounderDrew Brees for a 15th rounderMaurice Jones-Drew for a 22nd rounderMarion Barber III for a 22nd rounderMichael Turner for a 22nd rounderThose were my potential keepers last year (along with a handful of others, such as Cotchery for a 22nd and Benson for a 4th). I wound up having to let three of them go back into the player pool, and was very sad about it. Trust me, there's plenty of reason to keep players. Other players who wound up being kept included Willie Parker, Joseph Addai, Frank Gore, Marques Colston, Larry Johnson (who kept for an 18th because someone has been rostering him since the year before he was going as Priest's handcuff in the 5th), etc.A modified keeper league like this is far superior to "keep whoever you want" league, in my opinion. Keep Whoever is just like a dynasty league on training wheels. A Cost-To-Keep league introduces all sorts of great strategies- for instance, let's say Steven Jackson would have kept for a 3rd this year instead of a 5th. Should I keep Steven Jackson, knowing this is likely my last year for him (unless I want to be the first player in league history to keep a 1st rounder), or should I keep Turner, who I could effectively own for his entire professional career as a starter? It also makes trades much more interesting, and the draft becomes an excercise in patience- you want to wait as long as humanly possible before grabbing someone, so his keeper cost is the best you can get. For instance, since Michael Turner re-entered the player pool, where does he get drafted? Does he go in the 6th, where his keeper value is pretty negligible (likely only a 2-year keeper, and an expensive one at that), or do you try to wait until the 12th and hope no one grabs him in the meantime (knowing that those other owners are also going to be deliberately waiting). In addition, late round picks can sometimes be more valuable than mid-late round picks, as rounds 14-16 become the "money rounds". Your team by that point is pretty set for this season, so you start grabbing potential keepers instead of potential starters.

B) Your basic rules are too strict in my opinion. Why would you want to give up a 3rd round pick to protect a 5th round player? We keep three and given those rules I would probably only keep Colston from last years team. In effect you are rewarding only the owners who get lucky and draft players that vastly out perform their draft position.

Acquiring players who make good keepers next year is not "luck", it is a demonstrable and repeatable skill. I've dominated my keeper league in large part because I have demonstrated a greater knack at this than my leaguemates. Every single season, I've had not only one of the best keeper trios, but I've also had the most additional "quality keepers" that I try to either trade or am forced to watch re-enter the draft pool. There are definite signs to look for when identifying which players are going to have a higher ADP next year than they do this year. There are SOME "lucky breaks", of course- guys like Colston or Jones-Drew- but there are "lucky breaks" in Redraft, too (such as Tomlinson scoring 31 TDs). In the long run, skilled owners will field much stronger keepers than unskilled owners.A rule that you can implement if you really don't want "lucky breaks" to dominate the league is that a player can only be kept if he was drafted the year before. Or if you don't want to go that far, then have undrafted players keep for a 10th rounder, or an 8th rounder, or whatever round you want. That rewards forward-thinking drafting more and minimizes the reward for a lucky waiver pickup.