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Keepers for 2018 (1 Viewer)

rschroeder1

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12 teams, 17 roster spots, .5 PPR.  QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, RB/WR/TE, K, DEF.

Keeper rules:  keep up to 4 players, keeper costs one draft round higher than their round the previous year.  Undrafted = 17th round pick.

Candidates
Cooper Kupp (9th round value in 2018)
Devonta Freeman (12)
Hunter Henry (16)
Juju Smith-Schuster (17)
Jared Goff (17)
Cam Meredith (17)
Mack Hollins (17)
Kenneth Dixon (17)
Joe Williams/Matt Brieda/Jeremy McNichols (17/13/17)

My plan is to roll with Kupp (9), Freeman (12) and Smith-Schuster (17) as definites.  For the last spot, despite his low production, I would lean heavily toward Henry (16) but am seriously considering Meredith (17) as well.  If I get lucky with the 49ers RB situation, would definitely consider that as well.  Not sure if Goff is worth it.

Appreciate any insight.  Thanks!

 
I agree with your initial picks. Kupp, Freeman, Juju. 

Goff gets my vote if he costs a last round pick. Goff is just outside the top 10 qbs on the season. For a last round pick thats a pretty decent backup qb. Lets you buy an extra rb/wr/te player earlier in the draft where you might grab your second qb. 

Henry is a top 10 te, but not much separating him from Brate, witten, howard, etc. Grab a higher end top 5 te next draft as you already have freeman, kupp, and juju. 

 
Meredith, if fully healthy, flashed top-12 WR skills. Right now, it doesn't appear the Bears have filled his role. If he is healthy, I think he'd be your 4th. If not, likely Goff.

 
Who are your other 7 guys and where were they picked? Probably a k and def, but it seems like there should be another wr to keep- I like juju and Krupp but they’re no ab/obj or heck even theilen/Marvin Jones. I’d want another body even if it’s not screaming value.

 
Who are your other 7 guys and where were they picked? Probably a k and def, but it seems like there should be another wr to keep- I like juju and Krupp but they’re no ab/obj or heck even theilen/Marvin Jones. I’d want another body even if it’s not screaming value.
I can't keep AJ Green, as we can't keep first round picks, and beyond that I have:

Carlos Hyde (1)

Larry Fitzgerald (2)

Kirk Cousins (3)

None make sense value wise.

 
I can't keep AJ Green, as we can't keep first round picks, and beyond that I have:

Carlos Hyde (1)

Larry Fitzgerald (2)

Kirk Cousins (3)

None make sense value wise.
Yep ok then. I’d keep goff if I have to pick now. If I can wait through the offseason and see what the bears do at wr and how Meredith is coming along and who is coaching there then maybe him. I think I rock goff over HH at this point. If gates is for sure gone then maybe I look at Henry again. 

 
Yep ok then. I’d keep goff if I have to pick now. If I can wait through the offseason and see what the bears do at wr and how Meredith is coming along and who is coaching there then maybe him. I think I rock goff over HH at this point. If gates is for sure gone then maybe I look at Henry again. 
Really appreciate you coming back to follow up on this. Happy holidays!

 
I don't know enough about Meredith.  I like what I'm reading and learning on Goff and his maturation.  Hopefully he ####s the bed against me in the championship game this weekend. 

Henry's good and solid at 15/16 pick.  Will he be OK?   Don't know. It's a value pick but having a QB seems like a good option to me.  Seems like you're good enough at finding talent that you can replace a WR or TE.  If Goff becomes Top 10 QB he = trade value if not your starter. 

 
I researched a little and changed my mind to Henry. 

I've never been in a keeper league. Only dynasty or redraft.

If I understand how it works. You get to Tag these guys as your keepers and you can keep 4 indefinitely? Or for at least several years right?  So JuJu costs 17, 2018, round 16 2019, Round 15 in 2020?  

Ideally you find 4 true keepers as top UDFA that will become elite talent about the same time but only cost you low round picks for years to come.

In a perfect world you'd be balanced at 1 Elite QB, WR, RB, TE.     But talent and when drafted might not pan out so you might keep 4 WRs.  Or 2 WR, TE and RB. any variation. 

One question is Trades?  When you trade a player does the value follow them?  SO if you kept Goff and Traded him.  Does the round 17 tag stay with him for the new owner? 

You want to win every year and reload w/ keepers.  supplement in the draft and target UDFA talent afterwards. This might mean you trade away talent before the deadline but it's ok because it doesn't fit into your Long Term 4 Keeper plan you can trade for 1st rounders that people weren't going to keep anyway.   in which case i would say Try to build around 1 QB 2 WRs a TE and draft your RBs because their shelf life is shorter. More turn over at RB allows for more Low Picks to become RB1-2. 

Freeman is a no brainer at his draft spot.  He's valued as an early 3rd rounder.  Overall 27/RB10 .   JuJu46 Overall and WR22, Kupp 68/WR28.  Henry 72/TE5, Goff 73/QB13.    Meredeith WR 64.    As long as your not paying market prices unless you need to during season/win now modes. You can continually rank your Keepers. 

Here's why I like Henry. His injury is not a long lasting one that could impact 2018 production.     You don't know how Meredith will be next year.  

HH is Top5 position player for cheap.  You can have a scoring advantage here in most scenarios, most weeks or hang with the elite in some.  I would drop Goff and target a player like Tannehill or Paxton Lynch.   Having a Top 5 positional player is huge especially when there are so few TEs worth having.    

ALso, most of the people in this thread valued Goff higher on initial perception.  I believe owners have a tendency to over value QBs and Under Value TEs.  Unless your scoring settings suggest otherwise.  But like one guys said Goff is a solid Back up QB  but HH is  a starter.     If you to value based draft where you try to score in X pts in each starter position. Henry is the one to keep for now unless you project Goff as top 10 QB.  But at QB13  hes' on your bench or someone elses.   Some people will have him much lower. Drop him and make them pay market price. 

I want to be in a keeper league now!!! I hope you found this helpful 

 
@Tonycarpenter Thank you for your detailed response - much appreciated!

You are pretty much right; with keepers costing one round higher each year, you can keep them through their year being valued as a first round pick.  So, yes, Juju is 17th this year, 16th next, 15 the year after, etc..  Thus, the general strategy employed by most is to try to hit with the lower round picks.  There are a few big-name players who are keepers, but they are guys who people hit on early in their careers or in their rookie seasons (Odell, Hopkins, David Johnson are the big ones).

For trades, a player's draft round stays with them permanently, so once keepers are assigned and the draft is completed, every player's keeper value for the next year is assigned in permanence, regardless of drops, trades, etc.

My general strategy would be to not keep a TE or a QB UNLESS I have one that is elite.  Simply put, pretty much every year you can find a QB who rises from the streaming pile to be a QB1, and obviously TE there is always a few players that hit from the streaming pile.  Plus, with this year's rookies, there's probably going to be a lot to go around at TE.  Given the positional scarcity at RB and WR, those would be my ideal positions to have my keepers at.  However, as you noted, there is such unpredictability at RB that I would probably only be keeping one if it's a guarantee like Freeman.

I'm pretty set with Freeman and Juju.  If Juju is a complete dud, I'm fine with it, because his upside as a 17th round draft pick is immense.  With Kupp, I feel like he's a definite in a strong offense with QB stability, and I could see him ending up as an Edelman type, strong WR2 each week.

For the final pick, as of now I would say it's between Meredith, Goff and Henry.  I agree with you that Henry is top 5 at his position; playing the long game, there certainly is some QB uncertainty there, and Keenan is going to be grabbing his fair share of targets for the foreseeable future.  But everytime Henry gets a chance, he produces.

Meredith is a question mark; the sample size is small, certainly.  But, if the Bears don't add a big name WR in free agency, even with the draft he'll be the team's WR1 at least for '18.  He fits the mold of what I'm trying to get - young players who have flashed in (theoretically in the future) stable offense/QB situations.

With Goff, I really don't know what to think.  If he is top 5 potential, then yeah.  If he's top 10, you can get those guys in the draft still.  Plus, seeing how Mariota, Carr and Prescott were somewhat exposed this year, I'm cognizant of not valuing one year of production for guys like Wentz and Goff too highly.  On the other hand, this is the chance to own Goff for his whole career.  Take the chance now, and it's a pretty low risk to dump him in the future.  The big issue with keeping Goff, though, is that there really isn't a QB premium in the draft with only 12 people and one starting QB.  You can get guys in the 5th/6th/7th rounds pretty easily.

The other issue with the draft is that it can be tricky to keep 4 WR, for example, because you might end up having to reach for an RB at your draft position.  That's why my ideal mix would be RB and WR so that I can take one or the other, get the best available, and still have some depth already there.

I would recommend a keeper league - it's really fun in that you get the redraft aspect and the dynasty aspect all in one.  Everyone is trying every year to win it all, while trying to build for the future as well.  When you hit on a keeper, it's awesome.  The draft is really fun as well because there are so many players who are out of their slots and moved down - really takes a lot of planning to get it right.

Again, thank you for such a detailed response!

 
I agree I’d value rb/wr over qb/te. In this situation though you simply have to take a chance on one. I wouldn’t want to keep a te unless it’s gronk/ertz/Kelce or a qb unless it’s a top guy. This is different though.  HH has had some production his first two years, that’s hard to do at te. Goff broke Aaron Rodgers records at cal and has been solid this year. Perhaps year 2 in the system vaults him into the top 5. Meredith came out of nowhere but I’ve seen him in a couple games and he looks natural out there. For me it comes down to the timing- have to pick now I’d go goff If you can wait and see what happens then I’d revisit this in a couple months. 

Kupp, fwiw, I think is decent but may not have much room to grow going forward. 

 
Snorkelson said:
I agree I’d value rb/wr over qb/te. In this situation though you simply have to take a chance on one. I wouldn’t want to keep a te unless it’s gronk/ertz/Kelce or a qb unless it’s a top guy. This is different though.  HH has had some production his first two years, that’s hard to do at te. Goff broke Aaron Rodgers records at cal and has been solid this year. Perhaps year 2 in the system vaults him into the top 5. Meredith came out of nowhere but I’ve seen him in a couple games and he looks natural out there. For me it comes down to the timing- have to pick now I’d go goff If you can wait and see what happens then I’d revisit this in a couple months. 

Kupp, fwiw, I think is decent but may not have much room to grow going forward. 
I do get to wait, I just find it helpful to see how people are valuing players now, and how those valuations change down the road.  I find it helps to identify both my own biases and potential buy-lows in how a player's value shifts over time.

You do bring up good points about Kupp.  I hadn't really considered the possibility of keeping Meredith over Kupp, but given Meredith as a 17th round pick and his build as a (potential) more prototypical WR1, I could see some merit to that decision.

Going into this year, I made the conscious decision to try to identify potential WR2 keeper candidates (like Kupp), because playing the try-to-find-a-WR1-keeper game is such a swing-and-miss game.  I was pleased to have Kupp this year as a guy who is both a keeper candidate and I guy I could use now, but perhaps I'm valuing him too highly for that reason.  Appreciate your insight.

 
Kupp, Freeman,JuJu and Henry at this point, however if SF moves on from Hyde than Breida would be in there instead of Kupp. RE:keeping a TE, Henry could be an elite option next year in that upper tier and you keep him for basically nothing. Kupp in the 9th really isn't much of a value compared to your other keepers.

 
Kupp, Freeman,JuJu and Henry at this point, however if SF moves on from Hyde than Breida would be in there instead of Kupp. RE:keeping a TE, Henry could be an elite option next year in that upper tier and you keep him for basically nothing. Kupp in the 9th really isn't much of a value compared to your other keepers.
Good point on breida. I was more just giving my .02 on Kupp, I like him and got him in one dynasty league last year, I just don’t expect him to get a whole lot better than he is now. 

 
12 teams, 17 roster spots, .5 PPR.  QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, RB/WR/TE, K, DEF.

Keeper rules:  keep up to 4 players, keeper costs one draft round higher than their round the previous year.  Undrafted = 17th round pick.

Candidates
Cooper Kupp (9th round value in 2018)
Devonta Freeman (12)
Hunter Henry (16)
Juju Smith-Schuster (17)
Jared Goff (17)
Cam Meredith (17)
Mack Hollins (17)
Kenneth Dixon (17)
Joe Williams/Matt Brieda/Jeremy McNichols (17/13/17)

My plan is to roll with Kupp (9), Freeman (12) and Smith-Schuster (17) as definites.  For the last spot, despite his low production, I would lean heavily toward Henry (16) but am seriously considering Meredith (17) as well.  If I get lucky with the 49ers RB situation, would definitely consider that as well.  Not sure if Goff is worth it.

Appreciate any insight.  Thanks!
Love the value of these 4.

especially Freeman. That’s stealing. 

Lots of upside with these guys, gives you a nice QB1-2 & a great high ceiling guy in Henry, sparing you the crap shoot at TE. 

My $.02

 

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