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From cbs sportsline-

News: Washington released RB Keiland Williams on Saturday in order to add WR Brandon Banks to the 53-man roster, reports the Washington Post.

Analysis: The Redskins' starter, Clinton Portis, is dealing with an injury but Washington has not been satisfied with the guys they have to back him up. First they released Larry Johnson and now Williams is getting the boot. Williams has no Fantasy value at this time. The Redskins are left with Portis, Ryan Torain and Chad Simpson at running back.

Shannanigans!

 

[Max Power]

Im guessing Devin Thomas catches a pass this weekend. Then things will make sense...

 

[THE SNOWMAN]

Indeed.

 

[Casting Couch]

wow

 

[blake]

ryan torain with a big upgrade?

 

[scott72]

ryan torain with a big upgrade?

Yep. Just grabbed him in a 12 team re-draft..Dropped Fragile Fred..

 

[Max Power]

So this also screams the end of Clinton Portis' value doesn't it? Portis is said to be taking over the passing downs and might get half the carries on a good day. Skins dont run the ball well enough for two backs to be fantasy relevant.

 

[OMG! Ponies!]

So this also screams the end of Clinton Portis' value doesn't it? Portis is said to be taking over the passing downs and might get half the carries on a good day. Skins dont run the ball well enough for two backs to be fantasy relevant.

or one?

 

[DoubleG]

Wow. I don't know that I would cut Williams from your FF roster if you own him. He's big, strong and shown he can catch the ball out of the backfield. He could end up in a decent situation on a team with injury problems at RB. Odd.

 

[Jake22]

Wow. I don't know that I would cut Williams from your FF roster if you own him. He's big, strong and shown he can catch the ball out of the backfield. He could end up in a decent situation on a team with injury problems at RB. Odd.

yeah, like Green Bay...

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Why does this say anything about Ryan Torain that we didn't already know after last weekend?

 

[FallenHero32]

Wow. I don't know that I would cut Williams from your FF roster if you own him. He's big, strong and shown he can catch the ball out of the backfield. He could end up in a decent situation on a team with injury problems at RB. Odd.

yeah, like Green Bay...

I would think that if Green Bay wanted him, a trade would have been done instead of an outright release.

 

[HellToupee]

Wow. I don't know that I would cut Williams from your FF roster if you own him. He's big, strong and shown he can catch the ball out of the backfield. He could end up in a decent situation on a team with injury problems at RB. Odd.

yeah, like Green Bay...

.........or New England

 

[coolnerd]

Wow. I don't know that I would cut Williams from your FF roster if you own him. He's big, strong and shown he can catch the ball out of the backfield. He could end up in a decent situation on a team with injury problems at RB. Odd.

yeah, like Green Bay...

.........or New England

or Washington's practice squad

 

[Max Power]

Wow. I don't know that I would cut Williams from your FF roster if you own him. He's big, strong and shown he can catch the ball out of the backfield. He could end up in a decent situation on a team with injury problems at RB. Odd.

yeah, like Green Bay...

.........or New England

I'll guess its going to be some team like Houston or the Jets. He has to be a better option than Derrick Ward or Joe Mcknight.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Wow. I don't know that I would cut Williams from your FF roster if you own him. He's big, strong and shown he can catch the ball out of the backfield. He could end up in a decent situation on a team with injury problems at RB. Odd.

yeah, like Green Bay...

.........or New England

I'll guess its going to be some team like Houston or the Jets. He has to be a better option than Derrick Ward or Joe Mcknight.

Why is that? He was an undrafted free agent.

 

[Max Power]

Wow. I don't know that I would cut Williams from your FF roster if you own him. He's big, strong and shown he can catch the ball out of the backfield. He could end up in a decent situation on a team with injury problems at RB. Odd.

yeah, like Green Bay...

.........or New England

I'll guess its going to be some team like Houston or the Jets. He has to be a better option than Derrick Ward or Joe Mcknight.

Why is that? He was an undrafted free agent.

Just an opinion. Joe McKnight cant even hold on to the ball and I dont think he even dresses for games. They Hoped he could be the next Leon Washington, but he isn't even close. Ward is just an ageing RB who was never really special and doesn't dress because he doesn't know the playbook.

 

[FavreCo]

Just an opinion. Joe McKnight cant even hold on to the ball and I dont think he even dresses for games. They Hoped he could be the next Leon Washington, but he isn't even close. Ward is just an ageing RB who was never really special and doesn't dress because he doesn't know the playbook.

No doubt. Joe McKnight totally sucks.

 

[Couch Potato]

Interesting dilemma for guys in deep leagues. Do you drop him for some guy off the WW with probably little upside just because he's on a roster (after several days of WW activity things have been picked over pretty good), or pick up your Week 5 matchup PK/DT (DAL or MIN coming off bye, etc.) a little early...

... or just keep him and see if he lands in a better situation. GB, NE, others have been mentioned. Plus the inevitable injuries that will take place tomorrow. But I expect he'll end up back on the Skins practice squad rather than go to another team., and I don't see him starting anywhere in the NFL.

I have him in 2 leagues and am looking at WW names like Branch, Woodhead, Gage, Parrish... not a lot there.

Glad I grabbed Torain in these leagues when I did.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

If no one claimis him won't he end up on Washington's practice squad.

 

[Couch Potato]

Joe McKnight cant even hold on to the ball and I dont think he even dresses for games.

I think being naked for games is simply unacceptable.

 

[D'OHtis]

Wow. I don't know that I would cut Williams from your FF roster if you own him. He's big, strong and shown he can catch the ball out of the backfield. He could end up in a decent situation on a team with injury problems at RB. Odd.

yeah, like Green Bay...

.........or New England

I'll guess its going to be some team like Houston or the Jets. He has to be a better option than Derrick Ward or Joe Mcknight.

Why is that? He was an undrafted free agent.

Much like Arian Foster, right? Best place is Keiland for impact this year is Washington. I agree what was mentioned above (if you have room, keep him). I don't think Portis is long for Washington.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Interesting dilemma for guys in deep leagues. Do you drop him for some guy off the WW with probably little upside just because he's on a roster (after several days of WW activity things have been picked over pretty good), or pick up your Week 5 matchup PK/DT (DAL or MIN coming off bye, etc.) a little early...... or just keep him and see if he lands in a better situation. GB, NE, others have been mentioned. Plus the inevitable injuries that will take place tomorrow. But I expect he'll end up back on the Skins practice squad rather than go to another team., and I don't see him starting anywhere in the NFL.I have him in 2 leagues and am looking at WW names like Branch, Woodhead, Gage, Parrish... not a lot there.Glad I grabbed Torain in these leagues when I did.

Williams has no value, and never did. Pick up whatever is the best waiver option. I wouldn't be surprised if he's not signed for a few weeks.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Much like Arian Foster, right? Best place is Keiland for impact this year is Washington. I agree what was mentioned above (if you have room, keep him). I don't think Portis is long for Washington.

Arian Foster was never cut.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Arian Foster was never cut.

Ryan Torain was.

I'm not comparing Ryan Torain to Arian Foster, am I? That would be stupid.

 

[D'OHtis]

Arian Foster was never cut.

Ryan Torain was.

I'm not comparing Ryan Torain to Arian Foster, am I? That would be stupid.

Go back to your original quote where you state there's no way Keiland could beat out Ward/McKnight because he was an undrafted free agent. I don't see what being an undrafted free agent or waived has anything to do with beating out guys like Ward/McKnight (neither of whom has showed anything this year). Both of the latter are lucky to have jobs as well.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Arian Foster was never cut.

Ryan Torain was.

I'm not comparing Ryan Torain to Arian Foster, am I? That would be stupid.

Go back to your original quote where you state there's no way Keiland could beat out Ward/McKnight because he was an undrafted free agent. I don't see what being an undrafted free agent or waived has anything to do with beating out guys like Ward/McKnight (neither of whom has showed anything this year). Both of the latter are lucky to have jobs as well.

I'll explain my point more clearly, since you don't seem to get it.Teams don't typically clamor to sign undrafted free agent rookies that have been cut by their original teams. These kinds of players went undrafted for a reason. (Torain is a completely different case. Shanahan liked him and signed him as an undrafted free agent. Shanahan was fired. Shanahan was hired by the Redskins. Shanahan brought Torain in and signed him. Torain was never cut by Shanahan.)

A third round pick like McKnight, who slipped in the draft due to character concerns, has talent that other teams know about. If McKnight were to be cut today, he would be picked up quickly by another team that scouted him before the draft and liked his ability.

Williams will not be signed to replace a guy like McKnight. 90% chance that Williams either gets re-signed by the Redskins (or to their practice squad) or he sits out of football for the season, signs with a team in January, and fights for a job in training camp next year. 10% chance he signs with a team decimated by injury after impressing in a workout (not replacing anyone per se, just filling in to a hole created by injury).

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

Arian Foster was never cut.

Ryan Torain was.

I'm not comparing Ryan Torain to Arian Foster, am I? That would be stupid.

Go back to your original quote where you state there's no way Keiland could beat out Ward/McKnight because he was an undrafted free agent. I don't see what being an undrafted free agent or waived has anything to do with beating out guys like Ward/McKnight (neither of whom has showed anything this year). Both of the latter are lucky to have jobs as well.

I'll explain my point more clearly, since you don't seem to get it.Teams don't typically clamor to sign undrafted free agent rookies that have been cut by their original teams. These kinds of players went undrafted for a reason. (Torain is a completely different case. Shanahan liked him and signed him as an undrafted free agent. Shanahan was fired. Shanahan was hired by the Redskins. Shanahan brought Torain in and signed him. Torain was never cut by Shanahan.)

A third round pick like McKnight, who slipped in the draft due to character concerns, has talent that other teams know about. If McKnight were to be cut today, he would be picked up quickly by another team that scouted him before the draft and liked his ability.

Williams will not be signed to replace a guy like McKnight. 90% chance that Williams either gets re-signed by the Redskins (or to their practice squad) or he sits out of football for the season, signs with a team in January, and fights for a job in training camp next year. 10% chance he signs with a team decimated by injury after impressing in a workout (not replacing anyone per se, just filling in to a hole created by injury).

Never let the facts get in the way of a good post. Torain was cut by Shanny this year before he was resigned to the practice squad.

 

[D'OHtis]

Arian Foster was never cut.

Ryan Torain was.

I'm not comparing Ryan Torain to Arian Foster, am I? That would be stupid.

Go back to your original quote where you state there's no way Keiland could beat out Ward/McKnight because he was an undrafted free agent. I don't see what being an undrafted free agent or waived has anything to do with beating out guys like Ward/McKnight (neither of whom has showed anything this year). Both of the latter are lucky to have jobs as well.

Torain was never cut by Shanahan.A third round pick like McKnight, who slipped in the draft due to character concerns, has talent that other teams know about. If McKnight were to be cut today, he would be picked up quickly by another team that scouted him before the draft and liked his ability.

Williams will not be signed to replace a guy like McKnight. 90% chance that Williams either gets re-signed by the Redskins (or to their practice squad) or he sits out of football for the season, signs with a team in January, and fights for a job in training camp next year. 10% chance he signs with a team decimated by injury after impressing in a workout (not replacing anyone per se, just filling in to a hole created by injury).

Torain was cut by Shanahan this year.And McKnight (if cut) would be placed on a practice squad much like Williams would. Whether McKnight WAS a 3rd round pick means absolutely positively nothing. For all we know, he could of went undrafted otherwise. Jets viewed him as 3rd rounder on their board and took him (only takes 1 team). And given I don't see many teams interested in a out of shape 3rd down back that can't pass block or run between the tackles -- pretty big assumption he'd get immediately snapped up. Think Lorenzo Booker here. Another soft overhyped kid coming out of HS that never lived up to lofty expectations in college...also a 3rd round pick for whatever that's worth.

I agree that Williams will likely (and should) re-sign with Washington (I think it's his best shot of PT this year).

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

Arian Foster was never cut.

Ryan Torain was.

I'm not comparing Ryan Torain to Arian Foster, am I? That would be stupid.

Go back to your original quote where you state there's no way Keiland could beat out Ward/McKnight because he was an undrafted free agent. I don't see what being an undrafted free agent or waived has anything to do with beating out guys like Ward/McKnight (neither of whom has showed anything this year). Both of the latter are lucky to have jobs as well.

I'll explain my point more clearly, since you don't seem to get it.Teams don't typically clamor to sign undrafted free agent rookies that have been cut by their original teams. These kinds of players went undrafted for a reason. (Torain is a completely different case. Shanahan liked him and signed him as an undrafted free agent. Shanahan was fired. Shanahan was hired by the Redskins. Shanahan brought Torain in and signed him. Torain was never cut by Shanahan.)

A third round pick like McKnight, who slipped in the draft due to character concerns, has talent that other teams know about. If McKnight were to be cut today, he would be picked up quickly by another team that scouted him before the draft and liked his ability.

Williams will not be signed to replace a guy like McKnight. 90% chance that Williams either gets re-signed by the Redskins (or to their practice squad) or he sits out of football for the season, signs with a team in January, and fights for a job in training camp next year. 10% chance he signs with a team decimated by injury after impressing in a workout (not replacing anyone per se, just filling in to a hole created by injury).

Never let the facts get in the way of a good post. Part II McKnight was a 4th round pick.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Torain was cut by Shanahan this year.And McKnight (if cut) would be placed on a practice squad much like Williams would. Whether McKnight WAS a 3rd round pick means absolutely positively nothing. For all we know, he could of went undrafted otherwise. Jets viewed him as 3rd rounder on their board and took him (only takes 1 team). And given I don't see many teams interested in a out of shape 3rd down back that can't pass block or run between the tackles -- pretty big assumption he'd get immediately snapped up. Think Lorenzo Booker here. Another soft overhyped kid coming out of HS that never lived up to lofty expectations in college...also a 3rd round pick for whatever that's worth.I agree that Williams will likely (and should) re-sign with Washington (I think it's his best shot of PT this year).

My mistake. I think there is a good shot that Williams is re-signed to the practice squad. But I don't think Williams has any value.

 

[fatness]

So this also screams the end of Clinton Portis' value doesn't it?

I doubt it. Unless Portis misses time with injuries I think he's likely to see the field more than Torain.

 

[NorrisB]

love how predictable skeletor is cutting Torain keeping Williams, then cutting Williams and keeping Torain

 

[nysportsfan]

Torain was cut by Shanahan this year.And McKnight (if cut) would be placed on a practice squad much like Williams would. Whether McKnight WAS a 3rd round pick means absolutely positively nothing. For all we know, he could of went undrafted otherwise. Jets viewed him as 3rd rounder on their board and took him (only takes 1 team). And given I don't see many teams interested in a out of shape 3rd down back that can't pass block or run between the tackles -- pretty big assumption he'd get immediately snapped up. Think Lorenzo Booker here. Another soft overhyped kid coming out of HS that never lived up to lofty expectations in college...also a 3rd round pick for whatever that's worth.I agree that Williams will likely (and should) re-sign with Washington (I think it's his best shot of PT this year).

My mistake. I think there is a good shot that Williams is re-signed to the practice squad. But I don't think Williams has any value.

You're killing it in here, Babu :rollseyes:Williams most definitely has value, it just has not been determined at what level yet.

 

[Menace]

You think it would be worth dropping Spiller for Torain?

 

[None_More_Black]

Looks like Shanny might have more confidence in Torain right now.

Link

 

[DoubleG]

You think it would be worth dropping Spiller for Torain?

No.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

You think it would be worth dropping Spiller for Torain?

No.

Redraft, absolutely.

 

[The_U]

You think it would be worth dropping Spiller for Torain?

No.

God NO. No, No. NO...

 

[Bri]

never underestimate an FFer's ability to over-inflate a RBs value

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

You think it would be worth dropping Spiller for Torain?

No.

God NO. No, No. NO...

Why not? Portis is clearly falling apart, and Torain may get the majority of carries in DC. Spiller has to fight with Lynch and Jackson for carries on a Bills team that may be the worst in the league offensively.I don't see much reason to hold on to Spiller over Torain.

 

[ourmanflint]

So this also screams the end of Clinton Portis' value doesn't it? Portis is said to be taking over the passing downs and might get half the carries on a good day. Skins dont run the ball well enough for two backs to be fantasy relevant.

Gosh you know what I saw of that Rams game, Portis looked pretty good except for laying down at the end of that long run.I don't know what kind of games Shanny is playing but cutting Williams doesn't scream the end of Portis...at least not to me.Portis is the best pass blocking back they have by far and from what I've seen he stills runs well.He can be a bit weird at times...maybe that's what wears on Shanny.

 

[TheArchitect]

Arian Foster was never cut.

Ryan Torain was.

I'm not comparing Ryan Torain to Arian Foster, am I? That would be stupid.

Go back to your original quote where you state there's no way Keiland could beat out Ward/McKnight because he was an undrafted free agent. I don't see what being an undrafted free agent or waived has anything to do with beating out guys like Ward/McKnight (neither of whom has showed anything this year). Both of the latter are lucky to have jobs as well.

I'll explain my point more clearly, since you don't seem to get it.Teams don't typically clamor to sign undrafted free agent rookies that have been cut by their original teams. These kinds of players went undrafted for a reason. (Torain is a completely different case. Shanahan liked him and signed him as an undrafted free agent. Shanahan was fired. Shanahan was hired by the Redskins. Shanahan brought Torain in and signed him. Torain was never cut by Shanahan.)

A third round pick like McKnight, who slipped in the draft due to character concerns, has talent that other teams know about. If McKnight were to be cut today, he would be picked up quickly by another team that scouted him before the draft and liked his ability.

Williams will not be signed to replace a guy like McKnight. 90% chance that Williams either gets re-signed by the Redskins (or to their practice squad) or he sits out of football for the season, signs with a team in January, and fights for a job in training camp next year. 10% chance he signs with a team decimated by injury after impressing in a workout (not replacing anyone per se, just filling in to a hole created by injury).

 

[Max Power]

So this also screams the end of Clinton Portis' value doesn't it? Portis is said to be taking over the passing downs and might get half the carries on a good day. Skins dont run the ball well enough for two backs to be fantasy relevant.

Gosh you know what I saw of that Rams game, Portis looked pretty good except for laying down at the end of that long run.I don't know what kind of games Shanny is playing but cutting Williams doesn't scream the end of Portis...at least not to me.Portis is the best pass blocking back they have by far and from what I've seen he stills runs well.He can be a bit weird at times...maybe that's what wears on Shanny.

I guess I should have broken down my point a little more. Portis is being moved to full time 3rd down and passing down duties because torain just isn't that good of a blocker and reciever. Its been a while since Portis has been a three down running back. The wear and tear on him makes him better suited to play in a RBBC. Betts and Cartwright used to handle most of the passing down duties giving Portis 15-20 carries a game as the early down back. So Im really thinking we see something similar. Torain will get the bulk of the early down work and Portis gets a few series as a three down RB, but mainly a passing down guy. Its not like you are going to release your 3rd string running back to INCREASE the load on your aging first string running back. But this is Shanny, so who knows...

 

[CaptainHook]

it makes a ton of sense to turn portis into a mostly 3rd down back and let torain carry the load but unfortunately that pretty much kills the value of both of them and makes them both pretty unlikely to get injured further killing their value. i think this constitutes a Stay Away rating on both these players.

 

[The Dude]

For all of you pondering Williams going to NE or GB to start, it might happen - but I doubt Shanny is dumb enough to release soebody with the talent to start on another team.

Shanny is probably seeing something in Williams everyday that he knows makes him not a good fit.

 

[Max Power]

For all of you pondering Williams going to NE or GB to start, it might happen - but I doubt Shanny is dumb enough to release soebody with the talent to start on another team.Shanny is probably seeing something in Williams everyday that he knows makes him not a good fit.

It just seemed like his skill set had no place on the team. He isn't as good of a pure runner as Torain, and he isn't as good of a blocking/3rd down back as Portis. And he doesn't play special teams like Simpson does. That doesn't mean that a team who is looking for a back that will give them a little bit of everything wont give Williams a chance. He is a project RB, I'd keep him in a deep dynasty league, but just cut him in mine. I dont see him making an impact in the coming weeks and don't have the roster space to stash him.

 

[bleedgreen]

At this point, I have all 3 guys on my team. Picked up Williams a couple of weeks ago & Torain last week. I'm guessing it's safe to drop Williams at this point. The guy looked good in the preseason, had very limited action in the regular season, and now he's gone. Happens all the time. I don't think anyone is looking for this guy. And if he does get in somewhere in the next few weeks, what are the chances that he's going to start seeing the bulk of the carries immediately. I'm pretty sure he's safe to drop.

ETA: I didn't realize Portis was having an MRI. Maybe I'll wait till the results come back first. because if it's something serious, than I guess Williams could be back and fighting for a starting job.

 

[cvnpoka]

So this also screams the end of Clinton Portis' value doesn't it?

i would have thought the opposite. oh well.

 

[PahtyTom]

At this point, I have all 3 guys on my team. Picked up Williams a couple of weeks ago & Torain last week. I'm guessing it's safe to drop Williams at this point. The guy looked good in the preseason, had very limited action in the regular season, and now he's gone. Happens all the time. I don't think anyone is looking for this guy. And if he does get in somewhere in the next few weeks, what are the chances that he's going to start seeing the bulk of the carries immediately. I'm pretty sure he's safe to drop.ETA: I didn't realize Portis was having an MRI. Maybe I'll wait till the results come back first. because if it's something serious, than I guess Williams could be back and fighting for a starting job.

I think Washington is gonna need him back with Portis all banged up