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Rookie Clemens emerges in Jets' QB battle

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Rookie Clemens emerges in Jets' QB battle

Sunday, June 18, 2006

BY DAVE HUTCHINSON

Star-Ledger Staff

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HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. -- After three days and five practices, the Jets have learned this about their quarterback situation: When you have four QBs on your roster who can make a case to be the starter, you really don't have a starting quarterback.

Instead of the situation coming into focus at the conclusion of the veterans' minicamp yesterday, it is more uncertain than ever.

In fact, rookie Kellen Clemens was the most impressive of the foursome, outperforming veterans Chad Pennington, Patrick Ramsey and Brooks Bollinger. And it wasn't even close as the media got its first up-close look of the competition.

Clemens, a second-round pick out of Oregon, displayed an exceptional arm, moxie and the leadership ability of a veteran. He has what people describe as "it."

But will rookie coach Eric Mangini have the fortitude to go with an untested, rookie quarterback in the pressure cooker that is the metropolitan area? He has plenty of time and the backing of GM Mike Tannenbaum and owner Woody Johnson, and it will be interesting to see what he does.

"Each guy is missing some things that you'd like them to see, and some guys are making some throws that you're really happy with," Mangini said. "This is just that period where they're getting used to the offense."

Pennington, coming off two shoulder surgeries in as many years, remains the favorite, mostly by default. He's smart and usually mistake-free, which is what Mangini wants because he hopes to win with defense. Pennington looked okay in drills but isn't 100 percent yet.

Ramsey, who was a tackling dummy in Washington under former coach Steve Spurrier, was a mild disappointment. He has the arm but missed several open receivers and his penchant for interceptions reared its ugly head. His frustration boiled over as he was visibly upset at times.

"You're out there competing and you want to do everything perfect every time," Ramsey said.

Bollinger, who appeared to be the whipping boy of the coaching staff, held his own during his turn with the first team in Mangini's rotation system on Friday afternoon. He made several impressive throws and will battle Ramsey for a roster spot. It's a given that Clemens and Pennington, who took a pay cut and will earn $3 million guaranteed, will make the final roster.

Mangini summed up his first minicamp this way: "Green but growing." He was pleased with the enthusiasm, focus, work ethic and eagerness of his veteran players.

Pro Bowl MLB Jonathan Vilma, who is at his best when blockers are kept off him and he's free to roam sideline to sideline, will again have to fight off 300-pound guards and centers in the Jets' new 3-4 defense. It's not the best fit for him but he's going with the flow.

"It (two-gaping and taking on blockers) isn't really a major factor because we can switch up and morph into whatever we want to do," Vilma said. "It won't be a big issue."

We'll see.

QB-turned-WR Brad Smith, a fourth-round pick, has been impressive. ... Rookie free-agent RB Stacy Tutt (Richmond) has raised some eyebrows. ... Third-year CB Derrick Strait quietly had a good camp, as did rookie RB Leon Washington and rookie CB Drew Coleman. ... The Jets start training camp July 28.

Mangini keeps saying he'll start the best players.... and it sounds like Clemens is off to a nice start. Many would say his competition isn't very good... a recovering Pennington, a happy feet Ramsey, and Brooks Bollinger. In fact, Ramsey has had a very poor showing in this 3 day mini-camp. Bollinger could beat Ramsey for a roster spot if this keeps up.

 

[Kiddnets]

I would have a lot of respect for Mangini if he started Clemens - as long as he clearly was the best QB in camp. Jets aren't going to the Super Bowl next year - why not see what the kid can do?

 

[3C's]

Sal Pal said yesterday Clemens-Mangini is like Brady-Belichek part 2.

 

[sheerterror]

Sal Pal said yesterday Clemens-Mangini is like Brady-Belichek part 2.

Just a tad early for that, but if it ends up being true.

 

[cowboyz]

did belichek know what he had with brady? or was it pure luck after playing him?

 

[3C's]

did belichek know what he had with brady? or was it pure luck after playing him?

I have to think he knew else Brady wouldn't have moved up to #2 so quickly. (Maybe he moved to #2 due to injury...dunno)

 

[3C's]

Sal Pal said yesterday Clemens-Mangini is like Brady-Belichek part 2.

Just a tad early for that, but if it ends up being true.

To clarify, he wasn't comparing their abilities but rather the relationship of coach-qb and the coach having "his guy" versus the inherited guy.

 

[JMJ]

Its all in the perception of how biased against Chad the NY media wants to be. Ever since Chad's, "Covering the Jets is a privledge," lecture to the NY media, most, not all, but most of the NY media wants nothing more then for Chad to fail (Hutchinson however is usually not one). Combine them being "scorned," with the fact he has had two shoulder surgeries and they just can't wait to love a new guy.Read this:

The final day of the New York Jets voluntary three-day mini-camp started off slow. The special teams unit was showcased as Ben Graham boomed punts downfield and new addition Tim Dwight fielded them all cleanly. Everything was fairly uneventful. Then Chad Pennington showed up in a big way. The camp’s last practice ended as Chad Pennington led the offense 65 yards for a touchdown in an 11-on-11 two minute drill. Though the seven year vet still looked rusty on some throws and still lacked some velocity, it was clear his leadership ability was still there as the squad even overcame a 15-yard offensive pass interference penalty at the 1-yard line to punch the ball in for the score. The highlight of the drive was a magnificent 30-yard pass and catch from Pennington to wide receiver Reggie Newhouse. Pennington laid the ball up between two defensive backs and Newhouse made a spectacular leaping grab to move the ball into the defense’s territory. One person who certainly didn’t seemed surprised by the performance was Pennington himself. “It’s good to work on those situations because those situations come up in the game,” Pennington said when asked how he felt about the drive. “If you can practice them then you’re not surprised when they come up in the game.” Rookie receiver Brad Smith, who was on the field during the drive, was impressed with his new QB. “That was great,” Smith said. “You know, I’ve watched him on TV the last couple years and then to get out here and see the type of leader he is, he’s a great player.”

If Clemons wins the job, I will support him 110% (Jets' season ticket holder), but don't buy into what you read from the NY media. They are scorned and they need to sell papers.HTH.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I wouldn't read much into this. Actually, I wouldn't read anything into this but that's no fun. Here is my very rough guess at the likelihood of being the opening day starter for the Jets:

60% - Pennington

30% - Ramsey

5% - Bollinger

4% - Clemens

1% - Other

 

[JMJ]

I wouldn't read much into this. Actually, I wouldn't read anything into this but that's no fun. Here is my very rough guess at the likelihood of being the opening day starter for the Jets:

60% - Pennington

30% - Ramsey

5% - Bollinger

4% - Clemens

1% - Other

65% - Pennington34% - Clemens

1% - Ramsey

Ramsey and Brooks will battle each other for the 3rd string job; nothing more.

 

[Bri]

First and foremost, they have to see if Chad can play like he used to. As far as camp, Patrick Ramsey has some ability too. I expect a different QB in the paper every other day in NY for the next 6-7 weeks.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I wouldn't read much into this. Actually, I wouldn't read anything into this but that's no fun. Here is my very rough guess at the likelihood of being the opening day starter for the Jets:

60% - Pennington

30% - Ramsey

5% - Bollinger

4% - Clemens

1% - Other

65% - Pennington34% - Clemens

1% - Ramsey

Ramsey and Brooks will battle each other for the 3rd string job; nothing more.

You think it's 34 times more likely that Clemens starts for the Jets than Patrick Ramsey?

 

[Rovers]

It's early, but I'd peg it like this right now:

Pennington-55%

Clemens-30%

Ramsey-15%

Ramsey just scares me. If he's cursing in frustration already.... I do think it's possible for Bollinger to beat him out for the #3 QB spot. The more I hear, the more I think Mangini WILL go with whatever QB looks the best by the start of the season. In this mini-camp, all 4 QB's got equal time with the first offense.... very unusual.

 

[JMJ]

I wouldn't read much into this. Actually, I wouldn't read anything into this but that's no fun. Here is my very rough guess at the likelihood of being the opening day starter for the Jets:

60% - Pennington

30% - Ramsey

5% - Bollinger

4% - Clemens

1% - Other

65% - Pennington34% - Clemens

1% - Ramsey

Ramsey and Brooks will battle each other for the 3rd string job; nothing more.

You think it's 34 times more likely that Clemens starts for the Jets than Patrick Ramsey?

Haha. That was somewhat of an obvious exaggeration. I should have put a smiley face. But honestly, "yes."Ramsey was brought in for insurance and nothing more. They weren't sure how Chad was going to look; so they brought Ramsey in just-in-case. They weren't sure how the draft was going to go (but they knew they had 3 picks within the first 35 selections); so they brought Ramsey in just-in-case. And after the debacle that was the Jets' '05 QB carousel ... you could never have too many capable signal callers.

The Jets have absolutely nothing invested in Ramsey. They traded a 6th round pick for him (big deal), and he is in the last year of his current contract. The Jets have a ton invested in both Chad and Clemens (Millions of dollars in one - the 35th overall draft selection in the other). One of those two start and the only, ONLY way Patrick Ramsey is still a NY Jet after this season is if Chad Pennington proves to be unhealthy to the point they can't bring him back next year.

If Pennington is on the 2007 roster ... Ramsey is not.

HTH.

 

[Bri]

Ramsey's gotta have a chip on his shoulder. He could surprise. If he's gonna ever do well in the NFL I think this is his best shot

 

[Illmatic]

Clemens, a second-round pick out of Oregon, displayed an exceptional arm, moxie and the leadership ability of a veteran. He has what people describe as "it."

"It" = information?

 

[msommer]

Clemens, a second-round pick out of Oregon, displayed an exceptional arm, moxie and the leadership ability of a veteran. He has what people describe as "it."

If Clemens starts - look to a top 10 pick in 2007 - nothing against Clemens - but Rookies rarely do what Big Ben did...

 

[nittanylion]

Clemens, a second-round pick out of Oregon, displayed an exceptional arm, moxie and the leadership ability of a veteran. He has what people describe as "it."

"It" = information?

Being a shark means that you know "it". Being a shark means that you have "it". Being a shark means that you eat, drink, sleep and **** "it".Sorry, couldn't resist.

GB CracKer Culcasi...

 

[LHUCKS]

Let's try to remember one thing...

Pac10 = Conference of Champions

 

[nittanylion]

One of the highlights of Bloom and I attending this year's NFL Draft was meeting Gil Brandt on Day 2 when we were down front adjacent to press row...

...coolest thing ever: Bloom shakes his hand, and gives him kudos on touting Kellen Clemens as an outstanding NFL QB prospect.

You would have thought Bloom was his long-lost son, and they were meeting for the first time. I'm not going to go as far as saying that he got tears in his eyes, but they were shaking hands when Bloom brought this up, and Brandt had a death grip on him after he said that, and just wouldn't let go.

Next thing you know, Brandt is hollering over at the other talking heads, particularly Pat Kirwan, and pointing at Bloom. The entire future of FBG's Dynasty coverage is in peril at that point, as Bloom, who at that point was pondering loss of circulation, and wondering if he'd ever regain full use of that hand, is locked in a vise. "See this guy?!!! He LOVES my Kellen Clemons pick!!!"

It was a thing of beauty...

Kudos to Gil and Bloom if this turns out to be the case.

Count me as one of the crew with egg on their face if Ramsey winds up flopping. It's the only thing (well, besides LeVar) I've had the courage to question Joe Gibbs about since his return to the Redskins sidelines. Silly me. Joe knows...

 

[Rovers]

One of the highlights of Bloom and I attending this year's NFL Draft was meeting Gil Brandt on Day 2 when we were down front adjacent to press row...

...coolest thing ever: Bloom shakes his hand, and gives him kudos on touting Kellen Clemens as an outstanding NFL QB prospect.

You would have thought Bloom was his long-lost son, and they were meeting for the first time. I'm not going to go as far as saying that he got tears in his eyes, but they were shaking hands when Bloom brought this up, and Brandt had a death grip on him after he said that, and just wouldn't let go.

Next thing you know, Brandt is hollering over at the other talking heads, particularly Pat Kirwan, and pointing at Bloom. The entire future of FBG's Dynasty coverage is in peril at that point, as Bloom, who at that point was pondering loss of circulation, and wondering if he'd ever regain full use of that hand, is locked in a vise. "See this guy?!!! He LOVES my Kellen Clemons pick!!!"

It was a thing of beauty...

Kudos to Gil and Bloom if this turns out to be the case.

Count me as one of the crew with egg on their face if Ramsey winds up flopping. It's the only thing (well, besides LeVar) I've had the courage to question Joe Gibbs about since his return to the Redskins sidelines. Silly me. Joe knows...

Great story! Clemens was really off my radar, and I REALLY wanted the Jets to take one of the big three.... Cutler, to be exact. Then.... when the Jets entourage went out to the west coast to work Lienart out.... Schottenheimer stops off in Oregon, by himself. BINGO! Within a day, I find out as much as I can about Clemens.

There were conflicting reports on his arm strength, especially the deep ball, but those reports turned out to be faulted, at best, plain inaccurate at worst.

I really don't think there is much anti-Chad bias in the NY press though. The regular detractors, like Cimini, never miss a chance to bash the Jets, on ANY topic. Hutchinson never seemed to have an ax to grind with Pennington, likewise Randy Lange. Most of the Newsday reporters... well, I wonder if they watch the games, Glauber, et al.

Back to Ramsey.... if he really was throwing hissy fits on the field, along with those INT's..... his days could well be numbered. On the other hand, Clemens did not do well on Thursday.... an INT and a batted pass. He apparently rebounded nicely in later sessions.

Mangini DID say that there was no way Clemens would enter the season as the starter, but that was even before the rookie camp. He could be the real deal. I still think it very unlikely he starts week 1, but if things don't go well.... week 8 isn't an absurd thought. If Ramsey bombs, and Penny isn't ready though..... how bizarre would it be for Bollinger to start week 1?

As long as all 4 of them continue to get equal time with the first offense.... all bets are off.

Kudos to Gil and Bloom if this turns out to be the case.

Count me as one of the crew with egg on their face if Ramsey winds up flopping. It's the only thing (well, besides LeVar) I've had the courage to question Joe Gibbs about since his return to the Redskins sidelines. Silly me. Joe knows...

 

[Phlash]

Everyone is overlooking Bollinger. He started looking very solid in his second season and put up a few good games (and a few stinkers) when he started for the injured Pennington. He's not going to start, but I think he'd be worth a shot for Mangini

 

[wannabee]

Jets | Clemens most impressive quarterback at minicamp

Published Sun Jun 18 12:40:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Dave Hutchinson, of the Star-Ledger, reports New York Jets rookie QB Kellen Clemens was the most impressive of the team's four quarterbacks at minicamp, outperforming veteran QBs Chad Pennington, Patrick Ramsey and Brooks Bollinger. Clemens displayed an exceptional arm, moxie and the leadership ability of a veteran. He has what people describe as "it." Whether rookie head coach Eric Mangini is prepared to go with a rookie QB is a different question. He has plenty of time and the backing of general manager Mike Tannenbaum and owner Woody Johnson, and it will be interesting to see what he does. "Each guy is missing some things that you'd like them to see, and some guys are making some throws that you're really happy with," Mangini said. "This is just that period where they're getting used to the offense." Bollinger will battle Ramsey for a roster spot.

 

[NOSRAC247]

What a story! First Pennington gets sidelined, they go after Ramsey, b/c he wants to start, yall know that right, lol? Who is Clemens and what has he done? Are they just gonna stick him in there for game 1? I doubt it. Sounds like some training camp hype to me

 

[Rovers]

What a story! First Pennington gets sidelined, they go after Ramsey, b/c he wants to start, yall know that right, lol? Who is Clemens and what has he done? Are they just gonna stick him in there for game 1? I doubt it. Sounds like some training camp hype to me

Maybe.... maybe not. They didn't spend a second round pick on Clemens because they thought he was a lousy QB. The college game is so different.... I would even say who is Leinart, and what has he done? Bait.... sure, but he hasn't done squat in the NFL, and historically, half of the QB's drafted in even the first round bust. This mini camp was open to the NY reporters.... and Hutch isn't the only one saying Clemens looked good. Still, I seriously doubt no matter how well he plays, he won't start the season at #1. Most likely, if Penny is throwing OK, he'll start, but.... if he has a setback, and Ramsey falls on his face, both very distinct possibilities, it's Clemens or Bollywood.

For what it's worth.... I agree with the poster above. Bollinger did not play as bad as advertised last year. When he wasn't getting sacked on 3 step drops, he made some plays, and even ran for some drive sustaining 1st downs. I think most teams would LOVE to have a #3 as good as Bolly is.

I'll say it again.... all 4 QB's got equal reps with the 1st offense in this 3 day mini-camp. I think this job is wide open, and IF Clemens is clearly better than the others.....

 

[3C's]

What a story! First Pennington gets sidelined, they go after Ramsey, b/c he wants to start, yall know that right, lol? Who is Clemens and what has he done? Are they just gonna stick him in there for game 1? I doubt it. Sounds like some training camp hype to me

Clemens won't start game 1, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him in there at the end of the year if the season turn south. 2007 starter.

 

[Bailiver]

Man, with this bunch at QB and old man Martin being slow to recover from offseason surgery, the Jets are looking really bad this year. I will be starting the team defense that plays the Jets every chance I get.

 

[rascal]

For those in deep leagues, or keeper leagues, or for those who just like to punish themselves you might want to keep an eye on the NYJ QB situation.

Apparently rookie QB Kellen Clemens is a legitimate candidate to win the team's starting job. He took first team snaps at the first Jet's practice open to the public and with Mangini not doing any favors for players of the old regime...Clemens could get the start.

Of course this doesn't help the prospects of Coles or McCareins but it could help Martin and Houston as they will get more carries to take the pressure of the rookie should he start.

 

[diesel7982]

More carries against 8 in the box is nothing that'll help CuMart or Houston.

Sounds very very similar to the situation that Gore/Barlow struggled in last season.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Poor poor NYJ. It's going to be a while before that team approaches a winning season.

 

[Rovers]

Honda....

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=247240

 

[JohnnyTitan]

I've just glad the Titans open against the Jets!!

Optomism could spread to week #2 !!

 

[TME]

- nothing against Clemens - but Rookies rarely do what Big Ben did...

Hand the ball off to a great running game, lean on a phenominal defense and throw the ball 40% of the time? Yes, rookie RBs rarely have the luxury.

 

[rascal]

Oops. Can a mod merge this.

 

[Chase Stuart]

For those in deep leagues, or keeper leagues, or for those who just like to punish themselves you might want to keep an eye on the NYJ QB situation.

Apparently rookie QB Kellen Clemens is a legitimate candidate to win the team's starting job. He took first team snaps at the first Jet's practice open to the public and with Mangini not doing any favors for players of the old regime...Clemens could get the start.

Of course this doesn't help the prospects of Coles or McCareins but it could help Martin and Houston as they will get more carries to take the pressure of the rookie should he start.

If Clemens wins the training camp battle that means he's the best QB on the team. How wouldn't that help the prospects of Coles or McCareins?FWIW, I think Clemens has almost no chance to be the opening day starter.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Jets | Ramsey working as No. 1 QB

Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:46:16 -0700

ESPN's John Clayton reports New York Jets QB Patrick Ramsey is currently running as the team's No. 1 quarterback.

 

[Rovers]

Jets | Ramsey working as No. 1 QB

Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:46:16 -0700

ESPN's John Clayton reports New York Jets QB Patrick Ramsey is currently running as the team's No. 1 quarterback.

In a related story, ESPN's John Clayton was admitted to a hospital in Connecticut in a deranged, hallucinogenic state. ESPN would not comment.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Jets | Ramsey working as No. 1 QB

Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:46:16 -0700

ESPN's John Clayton reports New York Jets QB Patrick Ramsey is currently running as the team's No. 1 quarterback.

In a related story, ESPN's John Clayton was admitted to a hospital in Connecticut in a deranged, hallucinogenic state. ESPN would not comment.

I'm assuming all the QB's are simply getting their reps. Earlier in the week, there were rumblings Ramsey may not make the team......now he's running #1 offense.

 

[Rovers]

Jets | Ramsey working as No. 1 QB

Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:46:16 -0700

ESPN's John Clayton reports New York Jets QB Patrick Ramsey is currently running as the team's No. 1 quarterback.

In a related story, ESPN's John Clayton was admitted to a hospital in Connecticut in a deranged, hallucinogenic state. ESPN would not comment.

I'm assuming all the QB's are simply getting their reps. Earlier in the week, there were rumblings Ramsey may not make the team......now he's running #1 offense.

Clayton is usually much more up on things.... this is pretty wierd. By all accounts (only the NY beat reporters were admitted to the mini camp) Ramsey has struggled the most. Here is something from Cannizaro of the Post:"All four guys have a great work ethic and everyone has handled the team well," Schottenheimer said. "We're trying to create competition for every position and quarterback is no different. We're looking for the guy who's going to give us the best chance to win. Whether that's a rookie or a veteran, that doesn't matter."

Clemens received some rave reviews after last week's minicamp. Ramsey, acquired from the Redskins, apparently struggled the most. Pennington has looked solid in his comeback from a second shoulder surgery. "Chad's throwing the ball very well," Schottenheimer said.

Then, Cannizaro wieghed in with his opinion, which at well over the poundage of any Jets O lineman must count for something, he wrote this (June 22):

JETS EARLY STARTING QB ODDS

Here's a look at The Post's early odds on who will be the Jets' starting quarterback on opening day:

ChadPennington (3-1)

Brian Schottenheimer said he's looking for a leader. Pennington is the best of the group in that regard. He, too, is a proven winner when healthy. The big question with him is how he responds to the first big hits.

Kellen Clemens (10-1)

Coming off a strong mini-camp. Has a long way to go, but remember the Jets are in another rebuilding, honeymoon period, and they like Clemens. They could decide to start anew with him.

Patrick Ramsey (15-1)

Has a strong arm, but has not won in this league yet, and confidence might be an issue as he learns a new system, tries to please and struggles.

Brooks Bollinger (50-1)

Terrific, tough role player, but not starting timber.

Ramsey will have to play MUCH better if he's to have a shot.... INT's, batted passes, happy feet, holding the ball too long.... all the things he did at Washington he reportedly continued to do in this mini camp.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Jets | Ramsey working as No. 1 QB

Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:46:16 -0700

ESPN's John Clayton reports New York Jets QB Patrick Ramsey is currently running as the team's No. 1 quarterback.

In a related story, ESPN's John Clayton was admitted to a hospital in Connecticut in a deranged, hallucinogenic state. ESPN would not comment.

I'm assuming all the QB's are simply getting their reps. Earlier in the week, there were rumblings Ramsey may not make the team......now he's running #1 offense.

Clayton is usually much more up on things.... this is pretty wierd. By all accounts (only the NY beat reporters were admitted to the mini camp) Ramsey has struggled the most. Here is something from Cannizaro of the Post:"All four guys have a great work ethic and everyone has handled the team well," Schottenheimer said. "We're trying to create competition for every position and quarterback is no different. We're looking for the guy who's going to give us the best chance to win. Whether that's a rookie or a veteran, that doesn't matter."

Clemens received some rave reviews after last week's minicamp. Ramsey, acquired from the Redskins, apparently struggled the most. Pennington has looked solid in his comeback from a second shoulder surgery. "Chad's throwing the ball very well," Schottenheimer said.

Then, Cannizaro wieghed in with his opinion, which at well over the poundage of any Jets O lineman must count for something, he wrote this (June 22):

JETS EARLY STARTING QB ODDS

Here's a look at The Post's early odds on who will be the Jets' starting quarterback on opening day:

ChadPennington (3-1)

Brian Schottenheimer said he's looking for a leader. Pennington is the best of the group in that regard. He, too, is a proven winner when healthy. The big question with him is how he responds to the first big hits.

Kellen Clemens (10-1)

Coming off a strong mini-camp. Has a long way to go, but remember the Jets are in another rebuilding, honeymoon period, and they like Clemens. They could decide to start anew with him.

Patrick Ramsey (15-1)

Has a strong arm, but has not won in this league yet, and confidence might be an issue as he learns a new system, tries to please and struggles.

Brooks Bollinger (50-1)

Terrific, tough role player, but not starting timber.

Ramsey will have to play MUCH better if he's to have a shot.... INT's, batted passes, happy feet, holding the ball too long.... all the things he did at Washington he reportedly continued to do in this mini camp.

Sounds like there's a 58% chance the Jets don't have an opening day starter at QB.

 

[Musesboy]

Jets | Ramsey working as No. 1 QB

Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:46:16 -0700

ESPN's John Clayton reports New York Jets QB Patrick Ramsey is currently running as the team's No. 1 quarterback.

In a related story, ESPN's John Clayton was admitted to a hospital in Connecticut in a deranged, hallucinogenic state. ESPN would not comment.

I'm assuming all the QB's are simply getting their reps. Earlier in the week, there were rumblings Ramsey may not make the team......now he's running #1 offense.

Clayton is usually much more up on things.... this is pretty wierd. By all accounts (only the NY beat reporters were admitted to the mini camp) Ramsey has struggled the most. Here is something from Cannizaro of the Post:"All four guys have a great work ethic and everyone has handled the team well," Schottenheimer said. "We're trying to create competition for every position and quarterback is no different. We're looking for the guy who's going to give us the best chance to win. Whether that's a rookie or a veteran, that doesn't matter."

Clemens received some rave reviews after last week's minicamp. Ramsey, acquired from the Redskins, apparently struggled the most. Pennington has looked solid in his comeback from a second shoulder surgery. "Chad's throwing the ball very well," Schottenheimer said.

Then, Cannizaro wieghed in with his opinion, which at well over the poundage of any Jets O lineman must count for something, he wrote this (June 22):

JETS EARLY STARTING QB ODDS

Here's a look at The Post's early odds on who will be the Jets' starting quarterback on opening day:

ChadPennington (3-1)

Brian Schottenheimer said he's looking for a leader. Pennington is the best of the group in that regard. He, too, is a proven winner when healthy. The big question with him is how he responds to the first big hits.

Kellen Clemens (10-1)

Coming off a strong mini-camp. Has a long way to go, but remember the Jets are in another rebuilding, honeymoon period, and they like Clemens. They could decide to start anew with him.

Patrick Ramsey (15-1)

Has a strong arm, but has not won in this league yet, and confidence might be an issue as he learns a new system, tries to please and struggles.

Brooks Bollinger (50-1)

Terrific, tough role player, but not starting timber.

Ramsey will have to play MUCH better if he's to have a shot.... INT's, batted passes, happy feet, holding the ball too long.... all the things he did at Washington he reportedly continued to do in this mini camp.

Ok, I'll take those odds. You can't lose.

 

[Weiner Dog]

From www.ffmastermind.com...

-- Ramsey Likely to Start Regular Season Opener --

Fri Jun 23, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

ESPN's John Clayton reports New York Jets QB Patrick Ramsey is likely to start in the regular season opener over QB Chad Pennington. Pennington continues his slow recovery, but is unlikely to rise above the team's No. 2 quarterback position before the 2006 regular season begins. The Jets would prefer not to start rookie QB Kellen Clemens at the beginning of the season, and the Jets have already seen what QB Brooks Bollinger did in a handful of starts in 2005. So, that leaves Ramsey as the most likely candidate to start opening day.

 

[Rovers]

From www.ffmastermind.com...

-- Ramsey Likely to Start Regular Season Opener --

Fri Jun 23, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

ESPN's John Clayton reports New York Jets QB Patrick Ramsey is likely to start in the regular season opener over QB Chad Pennington. Pennington continues his slow recovery, but is unlikely to rise above the team's No. 2 quarterback position before the 2006 regular season begins. The Jets would prefer not to start rookie QB Kellen Clemens at the beginning of the season, and the Jets have already seen what QB Brooks Bollinger did in a handful of starts in 2005. So, that leaves Ramsey as the most likely candidate to start opening day.

Written like a guy sitting in an office scratching his ***s. Pennington is going to start..... and Ramsey may not make the roster. This isn't just my opinion, i6t's pretty much across the board with the NY beat reporters. This is an excerpt from a chat with Rich Cimini, the NY Daily News beat reporter:[GimmeShelter] 8:48 pm: Any thoughts on Ramsey, Rich?

[RichCimini] 8:49 pm: Yeah. He really struggled in minicamp and he seemed frustrated. Strong arm, tends to force the ball. Seems like a nice guy. I just can’t see him beating out Chad — presuming Chad is healthy.

The jury is WAAAAAAY out on this one. It's June..... Clayton is bored.

PS: I could go get at least six more sources to contradict Clayon here....

 

[Sinrman]

From www.ffmastermind.com...

-- Ramsey Likely to Start Regular Season Opener --

Fri Jun 23, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

ESPN's John Clayton reports New York Jets QB Patrick Ramsey is likely to start in the regular season opener over QB Chad Pennington. Pennington continues his slow recovery, but is unlikely to rise above the team's No. 2 quarterback position before the 2006 regular season begins. The Jets would prefer not to start rookie QB Kellen Clemens at the beginning of the season, and the Jets have already seen what QB Brooks Bollinger did in a handful of starts in 2005. So, that leaves Ramsey as the most likely candidate to start opening day.

Wouldn't surprise me at all. But keep an eye on Clemens. I can easily see him starting this season and into the future. Exactly why I've been snagging him in a lot of rookie drafts already.Biggest reason is I remember right after the draft, Jaws on ESPN saying he thought Clemens had the best chance at succeeding right now....even over Young and Leinart. I thought, "He's crazy," but I looked at some footage and at the Jets' situation, and thought he'd be a nice steal in the 3rd round or so of rookie drafts (still is).

 

[JMJ]

Clayton is obviously talking out of his *ss here or just misquoted:

The Jets held there mandatory minicamp. Reports ran rampant that Clemons looked like Namath himself. That was over a week ago. There have been NO organized team practices since and there won't be any until training camp begins on Friday, July 28th.

Ramsey might be operating a first team offense somewhere right now, but it isn't the Jets'.

HTH.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I really wouldn't be a stock in any reports written about the Jets for the next two months or so. Mangini is going to be very tight lipped, and things will change in a hurry anyway. I also doubt that Ramsey gets cut, since he'll probably look like the best QB in training camp.

Pennington will be the opening day starter IMO.

 

[Bri]

From ESPN.com...

-- Ramsey Likely to Start Regular Season Opener --

Fri Jun 23, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

ESPN's John Clayton reports New York Jets QB Patrick Ramsey is likely to start in the regular season opener over QB Chad Pennington. Pennington continues his slow recovery, but is unlikely to rise above the team's No. 2 quarterback position before the 2006 regular season begins. The Jets would prefer not to start rookie QB Kellen Clemens at the beginning of the season, and the Jets have already seen what QB Brooks Bollinger did in a handful of starts in 2005. So, that leaves Ramsey as the most likely candidate to start opening day.

 

[MLBrandow]

I'd be shocked if Pennington weren't the opening day starter (assuming his arm is okay).

 

[softball]

I'd be shocked if Pennington weren't the opening day starter (assuming his arm is okay).

I would disagree.They cut his pay, he had no other options, they have young guys running the team and Mangini was in NE when the Pats were beating Chads brains in.

They know his weaknesses and could hold that against him.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Clayton is obviously talking out of his *ss here or just misquoted:

Seems pretty likely to me. Why are we quoting KFFL and FFmastermind instead of Clayton himself?