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Kenny Irons injured...UPDATED, torn ACL (1 Viewer)
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Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I think he is vastly underrated. People look too much at YPC and fail to see he is a perfect fit in their offense. He is rock solid and durable, and scores plenty of TDs. As far as I'm concerned, his full time replacement is not on the roster. He caught a pass yesterday and looked really good doing it. I really wonder why he hasn't been used much in the passing game.i see no reason to include an eyeroll - this is just a friendly discussion.sure, injuries play a role. tough run schedule? i guess, but great rb's still produce against tough defenses, especially when helped out by a team stacked with supporting talent (palmer, CJ, housh, henry). rudi isn't special. i don't understand why rudi owners can't just admit it. he's a tough guy, he runs hard, and gains 3-4 yards on most plays. but he isn't a homerun threat and doesn't catch the ball particularly well. good starter, but someday - seemingly out of the blue - he strikes me as a guy who could get replaced. sorry if that bothers you.Guess you didn't notice the injuries and constant shuffling of the Cinci OL last year...that would have nothing to do with it; would it??Or possibly that Rudi had one of the league's toughest run scheds??
North
Footballguy
I meant "safe" as in he won't lose his job.I think you are over estimating his potential this year a bit (1400, 16). Yardage MAYBE, but he has never posted 16td's.He is definately a safe pick considering since he has been the starter (3 years) he has averaged 1407yds and 12 td's per year. I don't think he is one to post 16 to 20 td's but he'll definately get you 1400 yds and 10-12tds, which is pretty good.thats some good thinking. I got rudi in the second round of a dynasty draft this year. He is going to put up RB1 numbers(top 7-10, IMO). People pencil this 28 year old workhorse as a "safe" play. I really think he gets 16TDs and over 1400 yards....to me that is not "safe"Guess you didn't notice the injuries and constant shuffling of the Cinci OL last year...that would have nothing to do with it; would it??Or possibly that Rudi had one of the league's toughest run scheds??
I actually think Rudi is one RB who could see a very nice spike in TD's somewhat easily. In an offense as powerful as the Bengals, I've been surprised that he hasn't experienced a bump to the 16+ TD range yet. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he experienced that spike this season.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Rudi doesn't get in the 15 TD neighborhood because the Bengals throw in the RZ so much(it sure seems like they do anyway). So if Rudi sees a spike guys like Housh, and whomever is playing the Chris Henry role this year, should have their TD projections tempered a bit.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I see Rudi doing the same thing he has done for the last few years...no more, no less. He is as safe as safe can be in my opinion.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Is there any updated info on Irons? I thought that's what this thread was about. 
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
He is supposed to have an MRI today from what I read. I'm sure someone will post as soon as they know. Stay tuned.Is there any updated info on Irons? I thought that's what this thread was about.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
If Irons is out for the year, does this help Perry? The primary knocks on Perry have been his inability to stay healthy (unchanged), and the Bengals' drafting of his "replacement" (very much in question if Irons can't stay healthy).
If Perry is able to come back healthy after the PUP and put together a strong year as a 3rd down back, seems like he could cement his status as the Bengals RB2, and shoot back up into the dynasty RB30-40 range.
Perry has nowhere to go but up from a value standpoint (I've recently seen him go # 274 in a PPR dynasty draft, and #41 in a non-PPR rookie draft).
If Perry is able to come back healthy after the PUP and put together a strong year as a 3rd down back, seems like he could cement his status as the Bengals RB2, and shoot back up into the dynasty RB30-40 range.
Perry has nowhere to go but up from a value standpoint (I've recently seen him go # 274 in a PPR dynasty draft, and #41 in a non-PPR rookie draft).
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Evidently despite your optimism, the coaching staff is less convinced of his receiving abilities.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Weekend Warrior
Footballguy
Weekend Warrior
Footballguy
See my post.....http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6185Does anyone actually have a link to the extent of his injury/injuries or are we all just speculating at this point? I mean c'mon...let's not give him the Meachem tag just yet.
gregjcross
Footballguy
Bengals.com Irons is OUT FOR THE YEAR, torn ACL, just like KiJana Carter. Amazing.
Does anyone actually have a link to the extent of his injury/injuries or are we all just speculating at this point? I mean c'mon...let's not give him the Meachem tag just yet.
Baron Samedi
Footballguy
Noooooooooooooooooooooo 
Horrible. Just hate to see this before he even got a chance to get his feet wet. I'm struggling with how far to bump him down in the rookie rankings.
Team Legacy
Footballguy
No reason to struggle with it, let him sink. This is TERRIBLE news for the kid. Guess this is how Brian Calhoun kinda feels.
PantherPower
Footballguy
tough break. Hate to see that happen to any kid, except the ones playing for the cowgirls. 
playing the same team too.. i was walking around the lion sidelines when it happened to carter...wow, talk about bad jujuBengals.com Irons is OUT FOR THE YEAR, torn ACL, just like KiJana Carter. Amazing.
Does anyone actually have a link to the extent of his injury/injuries or are we all just speculating at this point? I mean c'mon...let's not give him the Meachem tag just yet.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
He probably needs to be bumped a little further down than Stanton,as Stanton was probably going to hold the clipboard all year anyway,while Irons was in line for a decent amount of playing time.Not to mention the severity of the injury,and the importance of such an injury on the cutting ability of a RB.
Rushmore
Footballguy
I'd say best case scenario = after 6 weeks into the season. I had extremely high hopes for Perry. One of the most versatile backs I've seen in such limited time. Now I wonder if he'll be able to be the same after what he's gone through. His skill sets were a better fit for the Bengal's offense than Irons' imo. I'd love to see him back healthy. [/endhijack]When's Perry supposed to be back?
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Bonzai
Footballguy
Kirby
Footballguy
I'd say best case scenario = after 6 weeks into the season. I had extremely high hopes for Perry. One of the most versatile backs I've seen in such limited time. Now I wonder if he'll be able to be the same after what he's gone through. His skill sets were a better fit for the Bengal's offense than Irons' imo. I'd love to see him back healthy. [/endhijack]When's Perry supposed to be back?
I think he had the best hands on the team.. including the WRs. He made the Bengals a lot more dangerous. Hopefully he can come back and stay healthy.
DropKick
Footballguy
Everybody is a guy who will get replaced... eventually. Not sure why there is a tendency to knock Rudi. He has been extremely reliable and consistent. I'm sure his worth to the Bengals goes well beyond his fantasy worth. A durable, consistent guy who can take the ball 20+ times a game. What is not to like?i see no reason to include an eyeroll - this is just a friendly discussion.sure, injuries play a role. tough run schedule? i guess, but great rb's still produce against tough defenses, especially when helped out by a team stacked with supporting talent (palmer, CJ, housh, henry). rudi isn't special. i don't understand why rudi owners can't just admit it. he's a tough guy, he runs hard, and gains 3-4 yards on most plays. but he isn't a homerun threat and doesn't catch the ball particularly well. good starter, but someday - seemingly out of the blue - he strikes me as a guy who could get replaced. sorry if that bothers you.Guess you didn't notice the injuries and constant shuffling of the Cinci OL last year...that would have nothing to do with it; would it??Or possibly that Rudi had one of the league's toughest run scheds??
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I had him 24th in my rookie rankings, which is lower than some. I am not as high on him as others, even before the injury.
But I'm definitely with the buy low thinking. I am patient with rookies anyways, and this doesn't change his long term outlook. He wasn't going to start in the next 2 years or so anyways. He will be a little cheaper now, and during the season might be the best time to buy low.
I will likely keep him ranked close to the 24 where I have him right now.
But I'm definitely with the buy low thinking. I am patient with rookies anyways, and this doesn't change his long term outlook. He wasn't going to start in the next 2 years or so anyways. He will be a little cheaper now, and during the season might be the best time to buy low.
I will likely keep him ranked close to the 24 where I have him right now.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I had him ranked similarly (which is really low Anthony), but I'm not keeping him anywhere near there. I've dropped him out of the top 50 rookies (IDPs included). I don't think he ever had the talent to overcome something like this. I know his fans might be miffed and this is a bad time to pile on, but he needed to establish himself quickly, imo. There's way too many quality backs coming into the league in the next year or so. I think his game is rather mediocre overall and some of his weaknesses (hands primarily) needed to be overcome in short order for me to expect anything from him. I could easily see him go the way of Calhoun in Detroit. I'd even be leery of Cincy picking up a nice talent from somewhere before this season starts.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
I was admittedly never a big fan of Irons anyway, but he seems nigh on untouchable at this point. ACL injuries take 2 years to recover from.
It's one thing if you've proven yourself in the league (e.g. Edge). Then teams are willing to wait on you; they know you're probably worth it. But I just don't see how the Bengals can consider Irons part of their long-term plans at this point.
Let's say that Irons is around the #5 most talented back this year, pre-injury (seems to be CW). Let's say that post-ACL injury, he is around the #7 most talented back this year (I assume that, like Edge, he will be somewhat diminished). And let's say that this was an average draft as far as RB talent (I think it was below average).
That means that by the time Irons is really recovered--two years from now most likely--12 more talented RB's will have entered the NFL. If you're the Bengals GM and you're trying to build for the future and maintain depth for a playoff team, are you really going to make a big bet on Irons?
I'm not saying his NFL career is over, but you have to consider this very very bad news.
Poor guy
It's one thing if you've proven yourself in the league (e.g. Edge). Then teams are willing to wait on you; they know you're probably worth it. But I just don't see how the Bengals can consider Irons part of their long-term plans at this point.
Let's say that Irons is around the #5 most talented back this year, pre-injury (seems to be CW). Let's say that post-ACL injury, he is around the #7 most talented back this year (I assume that, like Edge, he will be somewhat diminished). And let's say that this was an average draft as far as RB talent (I think it was below average).
That means that by the time Irons is really recovered--two years from now most likely--12 more talented RB's will have entered the NFL. If you're the Bengals GM and you're trying to build for the future and maintain depth for a playoff team, are you really going to make a big bet on Irons?
I'm not saying his NFL career is over, but you have to consider this very very bad news.
Poor guy
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Well put. That's where I was going, and I'm not going to make a list, but I think that 12 is conservative. There is a slight glut of similar talent in the NFL right now, and it will be a major glut in two years.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Excellent point. I didn't even think of it from that perspective. Next years class is supposed to be loaded with quality RBs.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
KiJana and now Irons.
If I was Cincy I wouldnt play RB's vs. Det in the pre-season
If I was Cincy I wouldnt play RB's vs. Det in the pre-season
5thQuarter
Footballguy
Here is a link regarding the Iron's injury:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...SPT02/308100026
Don't know why I haven't received a breaking news e-mail from Footballguys
Don't know why it hasn't been posted on the News Page
as of 1:57 p.m. CST
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...SPT02/308100026
Don't know why I haven't received a breaking news e-mail from Footballguys
Don't know why it hasn't been posted on the News Page
as of 1:57 p.m. CST
I got a blurb in the email a few minutes ago.... haven't looked at the blogger.
LAUNCH
Footballguy
LHUCKS
Footballguy
5thQuarter
Footballguy
The only reason I mention it is that I got a phone call from a buddy of mine at 1:35p.m. CST leaving me a voice mail about the Kenny Irons article. I checked my e-mail and looked for it on Footballguys because I thought he was pulling my leg and I couldn't find anything on it.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
No and No
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