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The Collins signing with the Titans also seems odd to me as well. I have been under the assumption that Volek is the starter for now but sometime this season Young would be taking the reigns. I have not heard any news of injuries to Volek or Young and I can't see the Titans signing Collins just to be their 3rd QB; maybe some team offered a trade for Volek and we have not heard about it yet.
Pretty sure he'll be a Titan before then.
Sorry.
Agree, young looks like he is a few years away still.
Hate much?the signing would simply be a sign that they don't want to rush VY's development and Volek is horrible.ETA: there's talk around here, which is heating up, that Adams made not only the wrong decision (should have taken Leinart), but not even the 2nd best (Cutler).
Reality baby. They made the biggest mistake in their franchise's history by taking this bust over Leinart or Cutler. You will realize it someday. I figured it out even before they drafted him.
Bingo. Everyone just assumes that crappy teams don't care if they win or not since they are rebuilding. What pepole forget is that there are players playing for jobs, and coaches coaching to keep jobs. Collins > Volek
Collins > Volek
That's pretty much my point. Why didn't TEN bring in Collins earlier? I believe it's because VY hasn't progressed as well as they had hoped. Thus, the Collins signing. I don't think it's because of Volek. It could be a combination of both VY & Volek, though.
Plus, I could be wrong, but I think this started picking up steam again when VY hurt his hand. There definitely seems to be a depth/avoidance of rushing VY element to all this.
it is possible that Volek is trash. It is also possible that Vince Young is absolute garbage. So they could have brought Collins in admitting one of their two QBs is junk. I just doubt this is the case. And by the way, Volek's limited starts don't bear this theory out at all. The 2:1 TD to INT ratio alone is something Collins could never achieve.
I think VY being trash or not has nothing to do with it. This is a right-now move, however you look at it. Volek has ben terrible, Fisher called him out for missing "easy reads" after his last game, and while I'm aware that Volek's numbers over a very small sample are good, you really need to watch him play to know how much he sucks. He's extremely inconsistent. Collins can be a very good QB if not asked to do too much, and seriously, Volek just sucks and gets way too much man-love around here because of a few huge games with Drew Bennett in 2003 with an entirely different offense (not Norm Chow) and in offensive shootout games. He's a good long-ball guy, but is not a capable starting QB if you look at the whole package.
Well, that is silly. May I remind everyone here that Ryan Leaf looked like gangbusters in his first pre-season while Peyton Manning looked terrible in his first pre-season. Food for thought...
I'm not saying that the Titans are trying to tank their season, but why bring in someone that could steal a couple of wins for them and hence cost them a better draft pick? Also, how do the Titans know what they have in VY if they don't play him at least a little? Out of 16 games, would it be out of the realm of possibility that they could be blown out in 3-4 games and let him play the fourth quarter of those games? If it's about Volek, then this move would've been done sooner. If it's about VY, I bring up my earlier point about what does Collins bring to the table in terms of VY's development that Volek can't?
Jeff Fisher's job isn't in jeopardy at all -- completely secure. Now, Floyd Reese, should go ahead and start packing.
Hey, I think Fisher is a top 5 NFL coach. That said, I don't think his job's secure in Tennessee.
Vinny T would have been an upgrade over Volek. Collins is just gravy. We'll see him starting in September. Given that the other option is Volek( :X :X :X ), this is a major upgrade for TEN.
We usually see eye to eye on most things regarding the Titans. I guess we just see things differently.Are you saying that you think they'll trade or release Volek? What about Collins' lack of mobility and the Titans' woeful OLine? At least Volek can scramble somewhat.
That's all very true, but you left out the other big consideration. There's an owner trying to make money. Take the Texans last year. The games were sell outs, about 70k in paid attendance, but I'd be surprised if more than 30,000 actually showed up, and I bet it's a lot lower number than that.So take that 30,000 who didn't bother showing to a game they bought a ticket to. Now multiply them by their $6 soda and $5 Luther's BBQ at halftime and if that was all the fans ever bought on average, that's $300,000 loss per game because the team was so bad the fans didn't show up. Then on top of that you have the fewer jersey sales and less made on all the other sales for the franchise. It's a business, and I believe there is a huge difference in the money made off a 2-14 team that isn't even competitive vs off a 5-11 team that at least can give the opponent a run for the money. If you don't believe me on that, believe Mort, who said that Bob McNair didn't decide to fire Capers after a game, but before one. He stood and looked at the empty stands before the Rams game and that was when he realized the fans wouldn't even come out and use the tickets they paid for... and Mort said that was when he made the decision.
right, and McNair was the QB who is gone. Volek's rating from his starts in 05 averages to 57.3. His 05 numbers were pretty atrocious. Seeing as how his best games in 04 A) came against suspect D's (Indy, KC, and OAK) B) all were losses for the Titans C) he folded against Den and had a subpar game against lowly Detroit, this all conspires for not a pretty picture. I have to admit watching the TEN game for a moment I thought he was completely lost out there. He managed to pull himself out of it with the help of Troupe, but Volek seems to be all flashes of talent but no consistency.
We of course have a lot of "ifs" we're working from, including in my statement about potential earnings. But to answer your question on the assumption what I said already has merit... IF they feel VY will be in a situation where starting him will improve things... and also IF they believe they won't set VY back by starting him too early, then yes, they would be considering starting him sooner rather than later. And they probably wouldn't be looking at acquiring Collins.Since we know they are looking at Collins, then either my statement about money is completely off... or they don't have both of those beliefs about Vince. From what we've heard of his training camp so far, I think it's pretty likely they don't think he's going to be ready, and feel he's better off if it isn't a must to play him to either save Fisher's job, or be successful financially.This isn't anything other than what we were all expecting after all. VY was graded out by most everyone as having great potential, but that he'd need some time to adapt to the NFL game. It just looks to me like the Titans are being smart and giving him that time (unlike what the Texans did with Carr).
SB experience & a lot of 'this is what not to do'. i kept him on my dynasty roster just in case something like this happened. i hope collins gets the nod soon. & fyi, volek sux0rs. you're not a career backup for no reason. & only time will tell with VY.
Trivia for you: Name the NFL QB with the most yards passing in his first 10 NFL starts.
I think this move is a vote of no confidence in both QBs to start this season. I imagine that they felt if VY showed enough in camp that he could go out his rook year and do well, that he would be the no.2 and be subbed in a little earlier than they would have liked, like Eli. Instead, they have come to the conclusion that Volek is just too shaky to be their starter all year, and the Young is nowhere near ready to start.
Please extend my appologies to whoever drafted Charlie Frye
