Carter_Can_Fly
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Anyone think Collins will be a starting QB for someone next year. My guess is he is out of Oakland, but will he land a spot somewhere???
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fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
I don't see him gone because there isn't an abundance of starting QBs in the league to just choose from. Of the list of FAs, the only ones would be Brees or Kurt Warner.
airbornemedik
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i dont think hes outta Oakland. I think hes actually a perfect fit for the Oakland offense, they did the right thing by getting rid of Turner. Collings is a gun-slinger, who doesnt care about stats or double coverage. Which is great when you have R. Moss. They never threw to Moss this year, i dont know why, but i think it had a lot to do with Turner.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
IIRC, Collins has a $13-$14 million cap hit if the Raiders keep him with his current contract. He said he would renegotiate, but he's not young by any stretch and Oakland will be putting off what they will have to do eventually.There was talk several weeks ago of Collins possibly winding up starting for the Jets next year, but that obviously was not anything official and who knows what Mangini is thinking.
Boone22
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Raiders | Potential landing spot for Ramsey?Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:11:31 -0800Jason La Canfora, of the Washington Post, reports the Oakland Raiders could be a potential landing spot for Washington Redskins QB Patrick Ramsey if the team decides to trade him. I'm not saying this is definitely going to happen but it does lead you to believe that Oakland may be looking around for a potential replacement for Collins.
zamboni
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Sean Payton, but no matter.Interesting idea though. If Collins is cut loose, it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that Payton brings in Collins to hold down the fort while Leinart or Young hold the clipboard for a year.
But that's assuming that Collins will be gone from Oakland, which we'll have no idea until, at a minimum, we see who the new coach is.
I can't see him in Oakland. But, where he goes is completely up in the air. NObody is going to trade for him with that cap number. There's lots of room around the league for a decent veteran QB. NO, NYJ (though I think they stay w/ Pennington, just once more), Tenn (IF McNair hangs it up, though I don't see that). I think his best fit is actually w/ the Raiders, but that cap number is too much. A major restructuring maybe keeps him there another year or two.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I double checked and Collins has a salary-cap figure of just under $12.9 million and a signing bonus due in March of $2.5 million.
Ditkaless Wonders
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He is an aging journeyman. I see him getting a backup job on a contender. The Q.B. carosel could include C-pep, Brooks, Brees, Ramsey, Couch, Volek Kitna, Griese and probably several others I can't think off just yet. In addition we will see several good young prospects enter the league. In the game of musical chairs he will have to grab a backup seat or risk losing a seat alltogether.
C-pep? Are you insane? I don't see Cpep going anywhere, for about 10 years. He's a rare talent, and w/ a decent coach he should return to his rookie, and last season, form. Remember he lost his top receiver out of the gate this year, and the running game was inconsistent at best. He was in a failure situation from the get go this year, and I can't see them cutting him loose. Is Brad Johnson the QB of the future? Brooks-Available
Brees-Maybe, though I see him right back there. I've seen nothing from Rivers that would suggest otherwise. They've kept them both for 2 years. I can't see them changing course now.
Ramsey-I still see him as the future in Washington. I don't see him moving.
couch-available last year, and nobody wanted him.
Volek-the heir apparent in Tenn. He's not moving.
Kitna-Probably the best QB surely available. Kitna is like Plummer. Not great, but in the right situation can play well and not lose games. But, probably he ends up as a backup somewhere, again.
Griese-I see him staying in Tampa as the backup. Not much of a market for an injury prone QB, but he's a solid backup. I see Simms starting next year.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Thee has been a ton of speculation on C-Pep not being with the Vikings next year, so I see this definitely in the realm of possibility. Remeber, NFL does not equal fanatasy football, and as a "real" QB some have felt he turns the ball over a ton, is not a great leader, and hasn't lead his team to many victories. He's not as indestructible as he may appear.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
As for C-pep I'm not insane but perhaps the Vikings are. I just know it has been a persistent rumor. Brees and Rivers are an intereesting dilemma. Personally I think both will remain togeth one more year but again rumors persist.
Ramsey- I think Cambell is the heir apparent and Brunnel has a little tread left on the tires. I see him on the way out.
Voleck- I don't see him waiting any longer. His age window is closing. I definately see him pushing Tennessee for a decision. If they go with him that would put McNair out so Collins would still have market competition. If not he is likely to get shopped. Frankly I see Vince Young displacing him and Voleck being a valuable trade commodity.
Kitna- Self explanatory.
Griese- His cap number will at least demand renegotiation.
Warner of course will be potentially on the market.
Also their are several rookies who will have first and second round contracts complicating matters further.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
This is so far from reality, I will just ignore the rest of the post. Jason Campbell is the future in washington. Gibbs hates Ramsey. With a passion.
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redman
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I disagree to one degree or another with what you said above.Ramsey: Gibbs has all but said that he's now 3rd on the depth chart and "he's going to talk" with Ramsey about where they go from here. I would be astounded if Ramsey's back with the 'Skins next year.
Volek: he has shined in limited action, but there's also talk about the Titans drafting Vince Young if he's still available. I would think that would change things dramatically for Volek if it happens.
Kitna: has never averaged even 7 yards per attempt (the minimum benchmark for a deep passer IMHO) and he looked noodle-armed in the game vs. Pittsburgh two weeks ago. At this point I'd rather have Ramsey, Collins, Volek and Griese as my backups over Kitna.
Griese: he's the better comparison to Plummer IMHO. He has the misfortune of being good enough to start somewhere, but not being good enough to be seen as the long term solution at QB for a team. I can't imagine that he's resigned himself to being the backup QB somewhere. I could see him wanting to make a run at the job in a place like Miami.
Couch Potato
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That was pretty much my reaction too. The Volek - heir apparent comment was pretty sad too. Aren't message boards great? People can come on here completely uninformed, post anything they want with no idea what they are talking about, and seem perfectly reasonable to the rest of the uninformed types. I just shake my head at some of the crap I read.
jeter23
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Don't be surprised if QB Kerry Collins surfaces in Baltimore. His former coach with the New York Giants, Jim Fassell, a Ravens assistant, loves him. After all, they went to the Super Bowl together (2000 season). A QB controversy featuring Collins and Kyle Boller would be fun to watch.
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Family Matters
Footballguy
Again, pure speculation by this writer. I'm surprised because I keep hearing how Al Davis loves Collins and wants his coach to keep him as the starter. Davis fired Turner in part because he benched Collins, which he felt was not the problem. So for this writer to speculate against what Davis wants is nothing more than headline grabbing IMO. Unless the Davis-Collins love is inaccurate. Of course I doubt it because Davis sought out Collins to be the man.
On The Rocks
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I wouldn't presume he will be starting anywhere. He was pretty awful quite regularly this season.my top 5 team predictions:1. Ravens. Comes into camp as a backup to Boller and starts from week one on.2. Jets. Insurance for Pennington. And if they pick up Rivers, Collins would be a backup to Rivers.3. Bengals. He would be better than Kitna if Carson Palmer isn't ready.4. Dolphins. If the Dolphins start cutting some of there other backups early in the offseason....it clears the way for Collins to come in and compete while potentially keeping the seat warm for Jay Cutler.5. Lions. Garcia will be gone, and Harrington will need a veteran backup.
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Kub
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I'll start off by stating I am a Raider fan, and I have no idea what goes through Al Davis' head. Any simpleton would realize that the team needs a lot of work, and is not set up to be a contender anytime soon. That said, a 33 year old who, at best, is a slightly above average QB and counts 12.9 million against the cap should not be kept on the roster.
The Raiders need to find a QB that can be there for when they can be a viable contender. (maybe Walters is that guy, maybe they need to address it in the draft, round 2 or later) If that guy isn't NFL ready at this point, bring in a caretaker veteran who can start until that player is ready.(Kitna, anyone?) Worst case, they should be looking for a younger veteran QB who can play 4-5 years.(Ramsey/Volek, for example)
If Raider management have their heads on straight, the only players they should be looking at with that #6 pick should be A.J. Hawk, Haloti Ngata, and Mario Williams. All that means is they're likely to extend Collins and draft Jay Cutler at #6. Ahh, the joys of being a Raider fan.
If Collins does leave Oakland, I see Baltimore and Miami as possible destinations.
The Raiders need to find a QB that can be there for when they can be a viable contender. (maybe Walters is that guy, maybe they need to address it in the draft, round 2 or later) If that guy isn't NFL ready at this point, bring in a caretaker veteran who can start until that player is ready.(Kitna, anyone?) Worst case, they should be looking for a younger veteran QB who can play 4-5 years.(Ramsey/Volek, for example)
If Raider management have their heads on straight, the only players they should be looking at with that #6 pick should be A.J. Hawk, Haloti Ngata, and Mario Williams. All that means is they're likely to extend Collins and draft Jay Cutler at #6. Ahh, the joys of being a Raider fan.
If Collins does leave Oakland, I see Baltimore and Miami as possible destinations.
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Pretty good predictions here if you don't mind me saying.I don't think the Bengals would have him though, that O is VERY difficult to learn.
Saban would KILL him, he's that Belicheck make no mistake kind.
Love the Lions thought, Martz could give a rats butt about INTs, just keep throwing. And Collins CAN do that.
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MLBrandow
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You realize he's scheduled to make lke $13M next season in base salary? And also that thte Raiders are $30M over the cap
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Texasmouth
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I think Boller progresses this off season and keeps his job. I like this kid and I think he has what it takes. He got hurt in the first game of the season which really killed his progression. He showed some signs of life towards the end of the season. I think he will be fine.
I think the Jets are out of the equation too. Pennington will be given every opportunity to start and they might grab a rookie. Bollinger will be the backup. Bollinger wasn't that bad once they let him play. He was a rookie starting for the first time when he never even got the opportunity to be the #2 guy. That was a bad situation for him all around and I don't think everyone should give up on him so fast.
Miami would be interesting but haven't they had enough of the stop gap guy? They need to make a play on a young QB who can be "the guy." Ramsey or Schaub would be nice fits in my opinion. Collins isn't exactly a "class guy" and may not be a good fit for that team.
I like the idea of the Saints. If they draft Lienart then Collins can start and Lienart wont be thrown in to the fire too quickly. Payton and Collins did get to a superbowl together.
How about the Packers if Favre retires?
I think the Jets are out of the equation too. Pennington will be given every opportunity to start and they might grab a rookie. Bollinger will be the backup. Bollinger wasn't that bad once they let him play. He was a rookie starting for the first time when he never even got the opportunity to be the #2 guy. That was a bad situation for him all around and I don't think everyone should give up on him so fast.
Miami would be interesting but haven't they had enough of the stop gap guy? They need to make a play on a young QB who can be "the guy." Ramsey or Schaub would be nice fits in my opinion. Collins isn't exactly a "class guy" and may not be a good fit for that team.
I like the idea of the Saints. If they draft Lienart then Collins can start and Lienart wont be thrown in to the fire too quickly. Payton and Collins did get to a superbowl together.
How about the Packers if Favre retires?
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
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Beat me to it by almost a month.How about... DetroitNFL Europe looks promising.
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CalBear
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Collins is not a gun-slinger. Collins is tenative in his decision-making, especially in the red zone; that's why he's never thrown more than 22 TDs. Eli Manning just threw for 24 on the Giants in his second year. Don't confuse the fact that Collins throws a lot of INTs with the idea of him gunslinging. Guys like Favre and Warner are gunslingers; they throw INTs, but they also throw 30+ TDs. Aaron Brooks would probably do a better job in Oakland than Collins, and that's saying something.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Nobody else is going to pay him that $ either so it's not like he has many options. Whether he takes a paycut to come back to OAK or gets cut and takes a paycut in NY/NO/wherever doesn't really matter.You also have to realize that if he goes to a place like NO or NY they are probably going to acquire a young QB to groom to be the eventual starter. Collins, like every other QB in the nfl, probably thinks he has 2-3 good years left so why would he go someplace to keep the seat warm for one season for some young guy? Even Brad Johnson and Mark Brunell think they have 2-3 good years left when everyone in the world knows they don't.
OAK should be the most attractive place to play for Collins imo.
He will take a pay cut and play with Oak.
The Fletch
Footballguy
If that's the case, why not dump him and trade for Culpepper? Both Daunte and Moss were All-Pro the last time they played together. Culpepper's cap numbers can't be too much worse than Collins'. Oakland can then see if they can get a QB in the draft, or they can turn to Tuiasosopo (?) if things don't work out.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Because they won't be paying ANY QB that cap # this season.Also, both Daunte and Moss were All-Pro the last time they played together and were healthy. Daunte is a "?" at the moment in terms of health.
I think there are more likely in OAK than Daunte.
Collins
Brooks
Ramsey
Volek(assuming TEN drafts QB and re-works McNair)
Kitna
Daunte
DoctorDetroit
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Orlando Renegades. Book it.
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