Keshawn Martin Most Likely Patriots Receiver To Fill In For Edelman (1 Viewer)

[dgr81]

http://nesn.com/2015/11/keshawn-martin-most-likely-patriots-receiver-to-fill-in-for-julian-edelman/

Brady, in his weekly appearance on WEEI’s “Dennis & Callahan, mentioned wide receiver Keshawn Martin as a potential fill-in but not Aaron Dobson.

“Keshawn Martin is still obviously a good player for us and is hopefully coming back here soon,” Brady said. “And I’ve got a lot of confidence in Brandon LaFell. (Danny Amendola)’s role has been very different than Julian’s was for us. I just think they’re a little different type of players. And certainly Julian has been incredible for us. Incredible.”

The Patriots acquired Martin in a trade with the Houston Texans on Sept. 17, and he had overtaken Dobson as the Patriots’ “X” receiver and Brandon LaFell fill-in after the team’s Week 4 bye. Martin has experience as both an outside and slot receiver, which is similar to the role Edelman plays in the Patriots’ offense. Martin has been hampered by a hamstring injury for the past four weeks, however, and was inactive in Weeks 7 through 10 despite practicing.

Martin, if healthy, could even overtake Danny Amendola in certain two-receiver sets. Amendola does the majority of his work out of the slot, while Edelman splits his time lining up inside and in the “Z” role, which is out wide and off the line so he can go in motion.

 

[ATB]

Do we really think Brady is giving an honest assessment of what their strategy will be going forward?

If anything, I hear Brady intentionally downplaying Amendola. Hmmm...

 

[tone1oc]

Do we really think Brady is giving an honest assessment of what their strategy will be going forward?

If anything, I hear Brady intentionally downplaying Amendola. Hmmm...

One of the reasons I was really excited about Dion Lewis before the season was because Tom Brady was talking about him to the media, it may have been to the same radio show but not sure on that. I think you are overthinking it. Keshawn is next man up if healthy.

 

[mnmplayer]

Got Keyshawn on my bench now after waivers. Surprised nobody else even bid on him. I blew almost all my waiver bux on Sharc earlier in the season so it only cost me a couple % to see what happens.

 

[ATB]

I picked up Amendola. We actually saw proof of increased usage vs NYG after Edelman went down. Keshawn is nothing more than speculative IMO.

 

[cstu]

at believing anything Brady says.

 

[tone1oc]

at believing anything Brady says.

He talked up Dion Lewis before Week 1.

 

[Toomuchnv]

I picked up Amendola. We actually saw proof of increased usage vs NYG after Edelman went down. Keshawn is nothing more than speculative IMO.

Congratulations...I'm sure Amendola is readily available in most 10 team leagues and this topic probably isn't for you. In deeper 12-16+ team leagues with 20+ player rosters, topics like this one have value. Finding a player before he shows his cards is much more important in deep leagues.

 

[ATB]

I picked up Amendola. We actually saw proof of increased usage vs NYG after Edelman went down. Keshawn is nothing more than speculative IMO.

Congratulations...I'm sure Amendola is readily available in most 10 team leagues and this topic probably isn't for you. In deeper 12-16+ team leagues with 20+ player rosters, topics like this one have value. Finding a player before he shows his cards is much more important in deep leagues.

Hey, to each his own. I'm just pointing out that Amendola is much more likely to see Edelman's targets than Keshawn. And I think that is part of this convo. Who is going to see those targets? Just because Brady downplays Amendola in comparison to Edelman doesn't mean we should believe him.

 

[SayWhat?]

I picked up Amendola. We actually saw proof of increased usage vs NYG after Edelman went down. Keshawn is nothing more than speculative IMO.

I believe there was also proof that Martin was inactive last game due to injury so not sure that point carries any weight. I think it's clear that Amendola will be the primary beneficiary, but not because of their usage following Edelman's injury in a game where Martin wasn't active.

 

[McGarnicle]

at believing anything Brady says.

We don't need to drag deflategate into this.

 

[tone1oc]

In the first 3 games of seasons (games that both Amendola & Martin played)...

KM: 7 targets, 6 catches, 95 yds & 1 TD

DA: 10 targets, 8 catches, 92 yds & 1 TD

DA saw a few more targets but KM had more production. It was a different team back then and a small sample, but I think it shows KM will get some run.

Also, Brady wasn't downplaying DA, he was just saying that his role is different than Edelman's.

 

[mnmplayer]

I picked up Amendola. We actually saw proof of increased usage vs NYG after Edelman went down. Keshawn is nothing more than speculative IMO.

Yeah this isn't a choice between Amendola and Keyshawn! Amendola has been rostered in my league for weeks, but then I am not "that guy" that says condescending remarks about other leagues if I can help it. So jus so we are clear, of course Amendola is a higher priority than Keyshawn, and yes a speculative add for sure, but its worth the cost to see what happens. This isn't an either or, but a both add and Amendola is higher priority for certain. He also has a history of not being able to stay healthy with heavy usage, however. I wouldn't feel comfy with him lasting until playoffs, but he might. If Amendolad goes down I think we can all agree that Keyshawn is a guy you want on your bench when it happens, and Amendola is made of glass.

 

[matuski]

Do we really think Brady is giving an honest assessment of what their strategy will be going forward?

If anything, I hear Brady intentionally downplaying Amendola. Hmmm...

One of the reasons I was really excited about Dion Lewis before the season was because Tom Brady was talking about him to the media, it may have been to the same radio show but not sure on that. I think you are overthinking it. Keshawn is next man up if healthy.

This. This is when I picked up Dion.

He said before week 1 that Dion would soon have a "cult following" in New England.

 

[McGarnicle]

In the first 3 games of seasons (games that both Amendola & Martin played)...

KM: 7 targets, 6 catches, 95 yds & 1 TD

DA: 10 targets, 8 catches, 92 yds & 1 TD

DA saw a few more targets but KM had more production. It was a different team back then and a small sample, but I think it shows KM will get some run.

Also, Brady wasn't downplaying DA, he was just saying that his role is different than Edelman's.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Keyshawn will be on the field. but the pecking order will probably be

Gronk

Amendola

Lafell

Keyshawn

Chandler

RBs

 

[VaTerp]

In the first 3 games of seasons (games that both Amendola & Martin played)...

KM: 7 targets, 6 catches, 95 yds & 1 TD

DA: 10 targets, 8 catches, 92 yds & 1 TD

DA saw a few more targets but KM had more production. It was a different team back then and a small sample, but I think it shows KM will get some run.

Also, Brady wasn't downplaying DA, he was just saying that his role is different than Edelman's.

So 2 less catches and 3 more yards is more production? Not in PPR and really not worth mentioning either way. Maybe you meant more efficient with his targets.

FWIW I did just pick up Martin after scooping Martin next week. I think a lot of folks are selling Amendola short, which is ironic for me to say b/c I've never really been a fan of his game. As long as he's healthy I think he's the play by a wide margin here but he has a lengthy injury history and Martin is somewhat intriguing so I'll play along.

 

[mnmplayer]

Do we really think Brady is giving an honest assessment of what their strategy will be going forward?

If anything, I hear Brady intentionally downplaying Amendola. Hmmm...

One of the reasons I was really excited about Dion Lewis before the season was because Tom Brady was talking about him to the media, it may have been to the same radio show but not sure on that. I think you are overthinking it. Keshawn is next man up if healthy.

This. This is when I picked up Dion.

He said before week 1 that Dion would soon have a "cult following" in New England.

Sounds like he sold Dion Lewis short. he was more than just a "cult following". He ended up as a top5 PPR RB, but I will cut him so slack for being "conservative"

 

[tone1oc]

To be clear, when I said production I mean he did more with his targets..

KM: 13.57 yds/target

DA: 9.2 yds/target

I probably should of said a "bit more efficient"... Regardless, I'm just saying that KM had a similar role in terms of volume before injury.

I'd also like to repeat what mnmplayer said, its not really about DA vs KM, just that for free KM is a pretty good option with some upside.

 

[McGarnicle]

To be clear, when I said production I mean he did more with his targets..

KM: 13.57 yds/target

DA: 9.2 yds/target

I probably should of said a "bit more efficient"... Regardless, I'm just saying that KM had a similar role in terms of volume before injury.

I'd also like to repeat what mnmplayer said, its not really about DA vs KM, just that for free KM is a pretty good option with some upside.

The sample size is too small to draw any conclusions. Game flow and Belichick's unpredictable evil genius dictate who will be productive from game to game. Any WR on the roster is potentially valuable at this point, but good luck predicting which games to start which guy.

 

[tone1oc]

To be clear, when I said production I mean he did more with his targets..

KM: 13.57 yds/target

DA: 9.2 yds/target

I probably should of said a "bit more efficient"... Regardless, I'm just saying that KM had a similar role in terms of volume before injury.

I'd also like to repeat what mnmplayer said, its not really about DA vs KM, just that for free KM is a pretty good option with some upside.

The sample size is too small to draw any conclusions. Game flow and Belichick's unpredictable evil genius dictate who will be productive from game to game. Any WR on the roster is potentially valuable at this point, but good luck predicting which games to start which guy.

This reminds me so much of the Dion Lewis thread now.. LOL

I stated that it's a small sample, but that's all we have ATM. I think I was clear in how much stock to put in to it, but the observance is that they had similar utilization. I'd kindly ask someone with snap count data to post it up, that would be nice to see.

Who do you feel will be the Z receiver going forward?

 

[Interseptopus]

Is KM suiting up this week? Could be a nice sleeper play

 

[cubbie5150]

Is KM suiting up this week? Could be a nice sleeper play

I follow Mike Reiss on twitter & was hoping for some kind of mention about Martin, but I haven't seen anything. It's been a busy day for me, so it's possible I missed him tweeting something though... I agree, if he's active, martin will be startable for some of us.

 

[Interseptopus]

Is KM suiting up this week? Could be a nice sleeper play

I follow Mike Reiss on twitter & was hoping for some kind of mention about Martin, but I haven't seen anything. It's been a busy day for me, so it's possible I missed him tweeting something though... I agree, if he's active, martin will be startable for some of us.

Because of byes im starting Crowder. I'd much rather start Martin with the potential for a lot of targets... Short bench and no one to drop for Martin. He's listed as Q but no news on if he's practicing.

 

[Run It Up]

I liked what I saw from Keshawn and think he's better than Dobson, obviously that's not saying a whole lot.

But I think the opinion in the op is a little much. I think it's more likely they roll out something different entirely, but if Keshawn can produce in that role and Dola just stays on the outside I'm okay with that too.

 

[McGarnicle]

To be clear, when I said production I mean he did more with his targets..

KM: 13.57 yds/target

DA: 9.2 yds/target

I probably should of said a "bit more efficient"... Regardless, I'm just saying that KM had a similar role in terms of volume before injury.

I'd also like to repeat what mnmplayer said, its not really about DA vs KM, just that for free KM is a pretty good option with some upside.

The sample size is too small to draw any conclusions. Game flow and Belichick's unpredictable evil genius dictate who will be productive from game to game. Any WR on the roster is potentially valuable at this point, but good luck predicting which games to start which guy.

This reminds me so much of the Dion Lewis thread now.. LOLI stated that it's a small sample, but that's all we have ATM. I think I was clear in how much stock to put in to it, but the observance is that they had similar utilization. I'd kindly ask someone with snap count data to post it up, that would be nice to see.

Who do you feel will be the Z receiver going forward?

Probably Amendola but I doubt he's as effective as Edelman and I'd be concerned about durability. I think the Edelman targets will be spread around for the most part, but I can see Gronk and LaFell having huge games down the stretch whenever the matchups favor them. Maybe Martin too, who knows. We know this is an offense where guys can come out of nowhere and produce (and often disappear again).

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

I was trying to grab Amendola before last week's game for the $1 FCFS but the only spot I had to drop were the Jets D that already played. I don't have the FAAB to get him now so I'm going to grab Keshawn and hope for the best.

 

[captain_amazing]

Don't sleep on Chris Harper.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

You have to remember that it is Edelman and Lewis who are out now, that's two target hogs, and Amendola just doesn't have Edelman's ypr potential. Something has to give, someone else besides Danny A. has to step up.

Lafell

Martin

Chandler

White

Harper

I don't know, do the math.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Don't sleep on Chris Harper.

I agree, i thought he looked solid in the pre season and wouldn't be at all surprised if he produces. Just don't know how much of an opportunity he will have and wonder if they might play him primarily in the kicking game in order to lessen the burden on DA.

 

[Interseptopus]

Any word from homers if he is practicing

 

[bergs101]

Keyshawn will be on the field. but the pecking order will probably be

Gronk

Amendola

Lafell

Keyshawn

Chandler

RB

agreed

 

[dgr81]

Any word from homers if he is practicing

@MikeReiss 45m

45 minutes ago
WR Keshawn Martin (hamstring) remains limited at practice, while DE Chandler Jones (abdomen) & DT Alan Branch (elbow) among those limited.

 

[flapgreen]

Forget this guy for now

 

[menobrown]

You have to remember that it is Edelman and Lewis who are out now, that's two target hogs, and Amendola just doesn't have Edelman's ypr potential. Something has to give, someone else besides Danny A. has to step up.

Not to mention Amendola has not always been the healthiest guy. He's had a good 1.5 years of solid health but then again he's not been asked to consistently do as much.

If you look at Martin before he got injured, as was discussed earlier in this thread ,not only were his numbers comparable to Amendola's but so was the snap counts with Martin getting a few more his first few games then Amendola. This to me is actually very relevant and worthy because he just arrived on the team in mid-September while Amendola has been there a few years.

So like I said I'd rather have Amendola and based on fact he's healthy now and Martin is not that's an easy call. But in no way am I ruling out Martin being not only starter worthy but a potentially better play then Amendola when he returns. I can't ignore that after having just arrived on the team a few weeks before the season he was already matching Amendola in terms of production and snaps and yes I put some merit in Brady talking up Martin. Great low cost add IMO.

 

[Run It Up]

Jules has just as spotty an injury history.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

In the first 3 games of seasons (games that both Amendola & Martin played)...

KM: 7 targets, 6 catches, 95 yds & 1 TD

DA: 10 targets, 8 catches, 92 yds & 1 TD

DA saw a few more targets but KM had more production. It was a different team back then and a small sample, but I think it shows KM will get some run.

Also, Brady wasn't downplaying DA, he was just saying that his role is different than Edelman's.

More production? 3 yards?

 

[satch]

I think the fact that NE traded for Martin is significant. He isn't a jag they brought in to fill a practice squad spot. Belichick and Brady saw something they like in Martin, enough so that they traded for him. Hard not to see thst as a positive sign. And like has already been mentioned, he was playing a role very soon after the acquisition.

Brady told us recently on WEEI that Amendola's role/skill set is different than Edelman's and it won't change much. Brady mentioned Keshawn Martin immediately when asked how they would replace Edrlman's production. Sounded to me like Brady was telling it like it is, not attempting some kind of diversion tactic. This may turn out to be one of those rare cases where the answers we seek have already been given to us by the person who knows best.

 

[bigbrownbag]

I picked up Amendola. We actually saw proof of increased usage vs NYG after Edelman went down. Keshawn is nothing more than speculative IMO.

Congratulations...I'm sure Amendola is readily available in most 10 team leagues and this topic probably isn't for you. In deeper 12-16+ team leagues with 20+ player rosters, topics like this one have value. Finding a player before he shows his cards is much more important in deep leagues.

Wow. You are so cool. I wish I could play in 12-16 team leagues with 20+ player rosters. You guys must roster players that are unheard of by most. I can't even imagine what that must be like. So jealous.

You should have your own forum

Kudos.

 

[NREC34]

I want to play in a four team league. With short benches.

 

[cstu]

I picked up Amendola. We actually saw proof of increased usage vs NYG after Edelman went down. Keshawn is nothing more than speculative IMO.

Congratulations...I'm sure Amendola is readily available in most 10 team leagues and this topic probably isn't for you. In deeper 12-16+ team leagues with 20+ player rosters, topics like this one have value. Finding a player before he shows his cards is much more important in deep leagues.

Wow. You are so cool. I wish I could play in 12-16 team leagues with 20+ player rosters.You guys must roster players that are unheard of by most. I can't even imagine what that must be like. So jealous.

You should have your own forum

Kudos.

I play in a $4,000 entry, Super-WCOFF, triple-reverse, double down, mirror league with a modified PPFDR base 8 scoring system, and we just held our draft in July. For the 2013 season. You think Matt Barkley getting the start in USC is news? I drafted him after studying up on him, after he signed his letter of intent, last year. You think that maybe going with a WR in the first two rounds instead of back-to-back RBs is somehow new thinking in fantasy? Well, do you have the balls to do what I did this year when I didn't take my first RB until the fourth round (Roderick Smith, Harding High School of Indiana)? You've probably never even heard of Martavis Bryant, Kyle Prater, or Darius White, yet not only did I draft them this year to form my future WR core, I've also started referring to them by fantasy board nicknames (Super Mart, KPrater, & DoubleDarius). Hell, guys like you are going to be the poor schmucks who are searching this board five years from now for info on some great RB you just heard of out of the middle of nowhere in Alaska, and the FBG search result box is going to come up with this very post, where I brag about nabbing Isaiah Weeks of the Monroe Catholic Rams at the 25.32/26.01 turn a full two months before he lit up Delta Junction for 193 yards/2 TDs or Ketchikan for 183 rushing yards, 55 rec yards, & 2 TDs. You'll be wondering about his durability and I'll remember a phone call I made back when you were just hearing the name "Knowshon Moreno" for the first time to the kid's doctor in Fairbanks about the sprain he suffered in his left ankle in 2008.

Let me give you a tip, IT = INFO, and there's no "expires by" date on it.

 

[Interseptopus]

Now that the pissing match is over...

Yes these threads have relevance for people in larger leagues. Amendola is probably the add for now but don't be surprised if Martin emerges as the better play eventually.

I gotta love it, you can always tell who owns who by their comments. It's almost as if they are talking themselves into their guy in a thread about soneone else.

I have no dog in this fight but I think Martin is a legitimate player to keep my eye on.

 

[bigbrownbag]

I picked up Amendola. We actually saw proof of increased usage vs NYG after Edelman went down. Keshawn is nothing more than speculative IMO.

Congratulations...I'm sure Amendola is readily available in most 10 team leagues and this topic probably isn't for you. In deeper 12-16+ team leagues with 20+ player rosters, topics like this one have value. Finding a player before he shows his cards is much more important in deep leagues.

Wow. You are so cool. I wish I could play in 12-16 team leagues with 20+ player rosters.You guys must roster players that are unheard of by most. I can't even imagine what that must be like. So jealous.

You should have your own forum

Kudos.

I play in a $4,000 entry, Super-WCOFF, triple-reverse, double down, mirror league with a modified PPFDR base 8 scoring system, and we just held our draft in July. For the 2013 season. You think Matt Barkley getting the start in USC is news? I drafted him after studying up on him, after he signed his letter of intent, last year. You think that maybe going with a WR in the first two rounds instead of back-to-back RBs is somehow new thinking in fantasy? Well, do you have the balls to do what I did this year when I didn't take my first RB until the fourth round (Roderick Smith, Harding High School of Indiana)? You've probably never even heard of Martavis Bryant, Kyle Prater, or Darius White, yet not only did I draft them this year to form my future WR core, I've also started referring to them by fantasy board nicknames (Super Mart, KPrater, & DoubleDarius). Hell, guys like you are going to be the poor schmucks who are searching this board five years from now for info on some great RB you just heard of out of the middle of nowhere in Alaska, and the FBG search result box is going to come up with this very post, where I brag about nabbing Isaiah Weeks of the Monroe Catholic Rams at the 25.32/26.01 turn a full two months before he lit up Delta Junction for 193 yards/2 TDs or Ketchikan for 183 rushing yards, 55 rec yards, & 2 TDs. You'll be wondering about his durability and I'll remember a phone call I made back when you were just hearing the name "Knowshon Moreno" for the first time to the kid's doctor in Fairbanks about the sprain he suffered in his left ankle in 2008.

Let me give you a tip, IT = INFO, and there's no "expires by" date on it.

Very original

 

[Run It Up]

I mean if we are gonna pretend like biases are tied to ownership. Dola is a legit WR, Martin is a literally who undrafted by the Texans, snatched up by the Pats after he was waived, who has splashed once ever.

Dola has looked good in the NE offense since the beginning of the playoffs last year. Pretending for a second that Brady actually meant that Keshawn was gonna step into Edelmans role, he has to produce or they will simply not use him at all.

Dola has produced all year as the WR3, he has played the possession guy his entire career before last year and was good at it. Its true the Pats haven't used him like that because they haven't needed him to play that role (except for when Edelman missed time, went 8 of 11 for 63 against a tough Jets team.)

 

[Bruce Hammond]

I mean if we are gonna pretend like biases are tied to ownership. Dola is a legit WR, Martin is a literally who undrafted by the Texans,

If we're going to talk draft pedigree, Amendola was the one undrafted while Martin was a 4th round pick.

H2H

 

[Run It Up]

I mean if we are gonna pretend like biases are tied to ownership. Dola is a legit WR, Martin is a literally who undrafted by the Texans,

If we're going to talk draft pedigree, Amendola was the one undrafted while Martin was a 4th round pick.

H2H

lol thanks

Correction, Keshawn Martin is a 4th round literally who by the Patriots South. Dola's that guy labeled the poor man's Wes Welker when he isn't hurt.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

I mean if we are gonna pretend like biases are tied to ownership. Dola is a legit WR, Martin is a literally who undrafted by the Texans,

If we're going to talk draft pedigree, Amendola was the one undrafted while Martin was a 4th round pick.

H2H

lol thanks

Correction, Keshawn Martin is a 4th round literally who. Dola's that guy labeled the poor man's Wes Welker when he isn't hurt.

I was just having a little fun.

Fact is, pedigree means nothing when it comes to Brady's short pass guy. Edelman was a 7th rounder, Welker before him was a UDFA.

 

[Run It Up]

I was just having a little fun.

Fact is, pedigree means nothing when it comes to Brady's short pass guy. Edelman was a 7th rounder, Welker before him was a UDFA.

You're right, and I've said a couple times in this thread, I thought Martin look good when he was on the field this year.

But Dola has the pedigree, and it seems like some people are sweeping it under the rug because it hasn't been explicitly stated anywhere by the Pats.

I also said above it seems much more likely to me that if Dola isn't the guy than we're gonna be looking at a completely different beast - obviously Martin would have some value then, but I don't think its guaranteed he would even get 50% of Edelmans numbers.

No matter what happens, for the love of god, nobody buy ANY Dobson stock.

 

[EastonBlues22]

Edelman was held under 80 yards 4 times this year. In three of those games Amendola saw 9+ targets.

New England isn't afraid to take shots wherever the matchups dictate, but they really rely on their best receivers in the short areas of the field to sustain drives. With Edelman and Lewis out, Amendola is the most experienced and proven option they have left for that role. He's going to see a good number of targets. He'll just be doing most of that damage from the slot, since he's not the outside threat that Edelman is.

Martin is my favorite to eventually take over Edelman's "role" of Z receiver once he gets healthy, but I don't see any reason to believe he (or Dobson/Harper if they win the job) will pull down the number of targets that Edelman commanded. Most likely they are 3rd to 5th target any given game (battling LaFell and the pass catching RB), depending on matchups. Maybe they can earn a bigger role with their play on the field, but I think it will be an uphill battle.

Just my opinion.

 

[ATB]

Anyone think LaFell's value is higher than Dola's right now?