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Kevin Faulk Marijuana Use - Impact on NE rungame and Maroney (1 Viewer)

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benm3218

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July 8, 2008, 19:07

Patriots :: RB

RB Faulk Pleads No Contest To Drug Charge

Gary Dzen, Boston.com - [Full Article]

New England Patriots RB Kevin Faulk has pleaded no contest to a charge of marijuana possession, stemming from a February incident in Louisiana. Faulk will receive a suspended sentence and be placed on probation for one year.

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I always saw Sammy Morris as the main threat anyway, but Faulk was money on 3rd downs... Does this increase Maroney value even more?

 
I think the actual substance of the decision is more or less a non-factor. He's probably going to suffer more from embarassment than anything else. Id suspect there's a slight possibility some of his teammates may not vote him in as a captain. Some guys could be hard liners like that. But I seriously doubt it. But as far as his actual impact on Maroney's touches and his own role, I dont see much changing as a result of this court decision. Maroney is still going to kill it this season.

 
You don't think something like this would impact Faulks play any? Seems like something has to come of it...

 
benm3218 said:
You don't think something like this would impact Faulks play any? Seems like something has to come of it...
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It could, but he's always been a pro's pro. He'll get full support from the team. He's just done too much there for anyone to turn their back on the guy after all he's been a part of. He's a quiet, unsung leader. Like I said, I think the embarassment he's suffered has probably been the worst of it. But guys like Faulk will be driven if anything to redeem themselves. But that said, his play on the field shouldnt be impacted one way or the other by this incident. No.
 
Unless Faulk gets suspended this has absolutely no effect on what will go on the field this year. Faulk got himself into a foolish situation here and I'm sure no one is happy about it. That being said he has always been a huge favorite of BB and the coaching staff as well as his teammates and as long as he hasn't lost a step his role will continue as it has been for most of his career.

 
Strange world when a sinus drug can get you suspended for 4 games but a admitted drug bust is no big deal.

I wonder if the league will do anything?

 
A plea of no contest is effectively a guilty plea in the eyes of the law. I would be surprised if he doesn't get a 4-game suspension from the league.

 
Godsbrother said:
A plea of no contest is effectively a guilty plea in the eyes of the law. I would be surprised if he doesn't get a 4-game suspension from the league.
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I'm not 100% on the drug policy rules, but if this is Faulk's first offense, he may not get suspended. I also don't know if there is a distinction between getting caught through the court system vs getting caught in a drug test.
 
David Yudkin said:
Godsbrother said:
A plea of no contest is effectively a guilty plea in the eyes of the law. I would be surprised if he doesn't get a 4-game suspension from the league.
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I'm not 100% on the drug policy rules, but if this is Faulk's first offense, he may not get suspended. I also don't know if there is a distinction between getting caught through the court system vs getting caught in a drug test.
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Good points. I don't know either...
 
Godsbrother said:
David Yudkin said:
Godsbrother said:
A plea of no contest is effectively a guilty plea in the eyes of the law. I would be surprised if he doesn't get a 4-game suspension from the league.
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I'm not 100% on the drug policy rules, but if this is Faulk's first offense, he may not get suspended. I also don't know if there is a distinction between getting caught through the court system vs getting caught in a drug test.
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Good points. I don't know either...
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I also wonder what the difference would be between Faulk and the Pats lineman involved in an FBI drug sting operation.
 
"Legalize It"....Bob Marley

Seriously though, it will be interesting to see how Goodell has his hands full with Lynch, Marshall, Pacman, Faulk, C Henry, Nick Kazur, et. al. I do think that Goodell will suspend Faulk. Is this a major transgression, not really, but he can't look the other way on this one.

The more interesting cases will be Kazur and Lynch as they are kind of precedent setting in their transgressions. This is a hell of a hornets nest the NFL has gotten itself involved in, not that it has much choice. Goodell should have put someone under him in charge of these disciplining matters, a henchman who takes on the role of the Vice-Principle in a high school. After all, this is how some of these "kids" are acting.

 
I think Faulk turns 32 this year...that will have ten times more impact on the Pats offense than a possession charge.

 
I wonder if Faulk has failed a drug test before? If not this might just count as the first offense due to the CBA and put him in the program. Although Roger could see it differently and still suspend him due to a guilty conviction.

 
twitch said:
benm3218 said:
You don't think something like this would impact Faulks play any? Seems like something has to come of it...
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It could, but he's always been a pro's pro. He'll get full support from the team. He's just done too much there for anyone to turn their back on the guy after all he's been a part of. He's a quiet, unsung leader. Like I said, I think the embarassment he's suffered has probably been the worst of it. But guys like Faulk will be driven if anything to redeem themselves. But that said, his play on the field shouldnt be impacted one way or the other by this incident. No.
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If this went down in the "REAL WORLD" most of us rightfully wouldn't want this guy coaching our kid's pee wee football team. But since he's a pro athlete that has been a part of championship teams he gets a "free pass" with no questioning of his character and integrity? I find it very hard to believe that he has not lost his leadership credibility on the team. That being said, he could respond in a humble manner and earn it back. I think Goodell should suspend is butt for a few games to be consistent, idiots are idiots whether they are first/second year unaccomplished players or old vets with a ring.
 
Goodell is only worried about image, thus he'll only suspend players who have an "angry black man" image. See: Pacman, Chris Henry, etc.

Hope I'm wrong, but that's what it seems like.

 
Scooby1974 said:
twitch said:
benm3218 said:
You don't think something like this would impact Faulks play any? Seems like something has to come of it...
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It could, but he's always been a pro's pro. He'll get full support from the team. He's just done too much there for anyone to turn their back on the guy after all he's been a part of. He's a quiet, unsung leader. Like I said, I think the embarassment he's suffered has probably been the worst of it. But guys like Faulk will be driven if anything to redeem themselves. But that said, his play on the field shouldnt be impacted one way or the other by this incident. No.
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If this went down in the "REAL WORLD" most of us rightfully wouldn't want this guy coaching our kid's pee wee football team. But since he's a pro athlete that has been a part of championship teams he gets a "free pass" with no questioning of his character and integrity? I find it very hard to believe that he has not lost his leadership credibility on the team. That being said, he could respond in a humble manner and earn it back. I think Goodell should suspend is butt for a few games to be consistent, idiots are idiots whether they are first/second year unaccomplished players or old vets with a ring.
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It's just possession of pot, it's not like the guy's a child molester. In the real world, who cares if he smokes pot in his free time as long as he treats the kids well and knows how to coach football.
 
Hawk said:
Scooby1974 said:
twitch said:
benm3218 said:
You don't think something like this would impact Faulks play any? Seems like something has to come of it...
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It could, but he's always been a pro's pro. He'll get full support from the team. He's just done too much there for anyone to turn their back on the guy after all he's been a part of. He's a quiet, unsung leader. Like I said, I think the embarassment he's suffered has probably been the worst of it. But guys like Faulk will be driven if anything to redeem themselves. But that said, his play on the field shouldnt be impacted one way or the other by this incident. No.
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If this went down in the "REAL WORLD" most of us rightfully wouldn't want this guy coaching our kid's pee wee football team. But since he's a pro athlete that has been a part of championship teams he gets a "free pass" with no questioning of his character and integrity? I find it very hard to believe that he has not lost his leadership credibility on the team. That being said, he could respond in a humble manner and earn it back. I think Goodell should suspend is butt for a few games to be consistent, idiots are idiots whether they are first/second year unaccomplished players or old vets with a ring.
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It's just possession of pot, it's not like the guy's a child molester. In the real world, who cares if he smokes pot in his free time as long as he treats the kids well and knows how to coach football.
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Exactly. In fact, I'm pretty sure that one of my pee wee coaches was a stoner.
 
It's just possession of pot, it's not like the guy's a child molester. In the real world, who cares if he smokes pot in his free time as long as he treats the kids well and knows how to coach football.

Well, as a responsible Father who wants to see his kid grow up to be a healthy human being with some strong character,I do. I don't want some low life dirtball having any influence whatsoever on my kid. It's just possession of an illegal substance, right? I'm sure he doesn't actually smoke it, and if he does surely he doesn't inhale, but if he does inhale he just does it in the privacy of his own home, right? Not in front of his kids I'm sure. I guess this is a slippery slope that I'd rather not stand on. I'll take my chances with a stand up guy without the misdemeanor record.

 
It's just possession of pot, it's not like the guy's a child molester. In the real world, who cares if he smokes pot in his free time as long as he treats the kids well and knows how to coach football.

Exactly. In fact, I'm pretty sure that one of my pee wee coaches was a stoner.

My point exactly...look how screwed up you turned out. :mellow:

I'm just busting your balls man...but my point still stands. If given the choice between a pot head good football coach and a stand up Dad doing his best, I'll take the stand up Dad every day of the week. I guess I just look at sports as a way to influence kids and help them grow up by learning good life lessons, not just as a means to win games. If this were the rule as opposed to the exception to the rule we might not have so many Henry/Lynch/Harrison/Faulk/Marshall morons floating around.

 
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You have to fail a NFL test to get the automatic suspension. Jacksonville police tested Jimmy Smith a few years ago and he came up positive for cocaine, but the NFL didn't suspend him at the time because he didn't fail a NFL test.

Of course, that was pre-Goodell. I'll be surprised if Faulk doesn't end up missing games.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Workhorse said:
The title of the thread "Marijuana Use" is misleading. Faulk passed his drug test right after the arrest and apparently isn't in the program as a result.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...t_faulk_pa.html

This is a non-issue. If Goodell tries to suspend Faulk for this, I'd bet he'll have a legal fight on his hands.
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yeah drug users never pass drug tests. why plead no contest then?
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Because he was nabbed for possession. The program is for use, which is unproven in Faulk's case.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I wonder if Faulk has failed a drug test before? If not this might just count as the first offense due to the CBA and put him in the program. Although Roger could see it differently and still suspend him due to a guilty conviction.
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:thumbup: a player's status in the substance abuse program is confidential until they hit suspension level (remember the nasty surprise from JAX Jimmy Smith vis-a-vis cocaine (IIRC) a few years back)If this is Faulk's first strike, prolly nothing happens...If
 
Workhorse said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Workhorse said:
The title of the thread "Marijuana Use" is misleading. Faulk passed his drug test right after the arrest and apparently isn't in the program as a result.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...t_faulk_pa.html

This is a non-issue. If Goodell tries to suspend Faulk for this, I'd bet he'll have a legal fight on his hands.
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yeah drug users never pass drug tests. why plead no contest then?
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Because he was nabbed for possession. The program is for use, which is unproven in Faulk's case.
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pretty sure this will count as strike one at least. Now how was he possessing and not using? was he dealing? did someone else use the car , it was his cousins etc.????
 
From what I'm hearing, it does not sound like Faulk is going to get suspended. Kaczur, on the other hand, is a different story, as it sounds like the league is still figuring out what to do with him.

 
Faulk won't be suspended. As far as a drug bust goes, it doesn't get any tamer than Faulk's bust, a couple Js in his jacket found by concert security (and honestly, who gets busted by concert security??!!)

Obviously as far as Faulk's role on the team, smoking pot is a polarizing subject (as instanced as opinions in this thread and 100% of every other Internet thread I've ever read about athletes smoking pot) -- some think it's no big deal; others think it is the Devil's black tobacco that leads one down the path to Hell.

So I'm sure players on the team will each react differently, but I'd imagine most fall into the former and not the latter category when it comes to personal stances on pot.

As someone else said, Faulk being 32 has a lot more to do with the 2008 NE running game than this possession charge.

 
tombonneau said:
Faulk won't be suspended. As far as a drug bust goes, it doesn't get any tamer than Faulk's bust, a couple Js in his jacket found by concert security (and honestly, who gets busted by concert security??!!)Obviously as far as Faulk's role on the team, smoking pot is a polarizing subject (as instanced as opinions in this thread and 100% of every other Internet thread I've ever read about athletes smoking pot) -- some think it's no big deal; others think it is the Devil's black tobacco that leads one down the path to Hell.So I'm sure players on the team will each react differently, but I'd imagine most fall into the former and not the latter category when it comes to personal stances on pot.As someone else said, Faulk being 32 has a lot more to do with the 2008 NE running game than this possession charge.
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I disagree. My bet is that he will get a small suspension as well as get enrolled in the nfl's drug program. He will have to go to counseling and he will be tested more frequently.
 
Tyrion said:
tombonneau said:
Faulk won't be suspended. As far as a drug bust goes, it doesn't get any tamer than Faulk's bust, a couple Js in his jacket found by concert security (and honestly, who gets busted by concert security??!!)

Obviously as far as Faulk's role on the team, smoking pot is a polarizing subject (as instanced as opinions in this thread and 100% of every other Internet thread I've ever read about athletes smoking pot) -- some think it's no big deal; others think it is the Devil's black tobacco that leads one down the path to Hell.

So I'm sure players on the team will each react differently, but I'd imagine most fall into the former and not the latter category when it comes to personal stances on pot.

As someone else said, Faulk being 32 has a lot more to do with the 2008 NE running game than this possession charge.
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I disagree. My bet is that he will get a small suspension as well as get enrolled in the nfl's drug program. He will have to go to counseling and he will be tested more frequently.
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This is from the Boston Globe piece announcing his plea. It sounds highly unlikely he will be facing any disciplinary action by the league; if he is, it has been ignored completely by a media obsessed with drama. If there was any sniff of a suspension, it would have been mentioned by now.
According to the station, Faulk, 32, also will have to complete 20 hours in a substance abuse program, which he will do through the NFL.

The league does not announce when a player has entered its substance abuse program or detail what step he is at, with step three the most severe. Any player at that level who fails to comply with the program is suspended for at least a year. To reach that level, a player must fail at least three drug tests. First-time offenders are not subject to suspension but can be fined.

Faulk, who has played all nine of his NFL seasons with the Patriots, was issued a citation after he was found with four hand-rolled cigars filled with marijuana while attending a concert by the rapper Lil Wayne at the Cajundome in Lafayette Feb. 22.

Following the incident, Faulk told a Louisiana newspaper he had submitted to a drug test and it had come back negative. He told the paper he would not have to enter the NFL's substance abuse program.
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Tyrion said:
tombonneau said:
Faulk won't be suspended. As far as a drug bust goes, it doesn't get any tamer than Faulk's bust, a couple Js in his jacket found by concert security (and honestly, who gets busted by concert security??!!)Obviously as far as Faulk's role on the team, smoking pot is a polarizing subject (as instanced as opinions in this thread and 100% of every other Internet thread I've ever read about athletes smoking pot) -- some think it's no big deal; others think it is the Devil's black tobacco that leads one down the path to Hell.So I'm sure players on the team will each react differently, but I'd imagine most fall into the former and not the latter category when it comes to personal stances on pot.As someone else said, Faulk being 32 has a lot more to do with the 2008 NE running game than this possession charge.
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I disagree. My bet is that he will get a small suspension as well as get enrolled in the nfl's drug program. He will have to go to counseling and he will be tested more frequently.
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I'm hearing from inside the Pats organization that they don't expect a suspension is forthcoming and they don't even sound like it's being discussed, but who knows what Goodell will do for sure . . .
 
I'm hearing from inside the Pats organization that they don't expect a suspension is forthcoming and they don't even sound like it's being discussed, but who knows what Goodell will do for sure . . .

Can you ask your insider if Maroney is going to get the goal-line carries? Sammy Morris is sitting on our FA list. :popcorn:

 
All I've been told is that the plan is more of the same from what worked early in the year when they dominated teams by 3+ TD. I also hear that they have been working way more on passing formations and where to line people up to confuse defenses and solidifying the blocking schemes to keep Brady from getting killed.

I was told back at minicamp to expect the same RB rotation and not to expect Maroney to suddenly turn into Larry Johnson with Morris, Evans, and Eckels (if he sticks with the team) to get short yardage work and Faulk to be on the field on passing plays. I can see if that equates to Maroney out at the goal line, but the bigger concern I would have is that the Pats pass a ton to TEs and Moss deep in the red zone.

The other thing that was explained to me is that the Pats will continue to have custom game plans and packages to confuse defenses and exploit personnel, so what may be in place one game may not the other. I do not see Morris as the full time goal line back, if that's what you were asking.

However, I think Morris is in for a decent season and will pick up where he left off before he got hurt. He could get 150 carries and some TD. Not sure how big your league is, but he shouldn't be a FA. (There still are some concerns whether his injury is all better, but no one will know until he starts getting popped running th ball.)

I can check to see if there is more current ino, but I've used up my allocated number of questions for today . . .

 
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