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if you have him, keep him... if you don't I would try to see if he has a down game and then try to get him.

 
Had him last year.

Plays well just often enough to make you start him 3 more times.

I think he'll end up just another of those players who 'has all the tools' but never quite puts it together. Middle-of-the-pack rb.

 
I drafted him at the end of the third round in a 10 team league, and I have been very satisfied with the results. His involvement in the passing game, and that he is not in a rbbc situation makes me feel that he will have a solid yr. The only thing that worries me is the amount of carries Jones will get on a game to game basis and if the only reason he did well is because he played the packers and rams (2 very poor defenses). I think this week is a good test for him vs minn.

 
Buy or hold. IMO, sell is not an option as I view him as a top 10 RB now and I don't think that is the general view from others.

 
PahtyTom said:
Buy or hold. IMO, sell is not an option as I view him as a top 10 RB now and I don't think that is the general view from others.
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Exactly. You won't get fair market value for him because he's not percieved as one of the upper tier RBs, though I think he has a good shot at being a top 10 RB and should easily be a top 15.
 
azngangster said:
I drafted him at the end of the third round in a 10 team league, and I have been very satisfied with the results. His involvement in the passing game, and that he is not in a rbbc situation makes me feel that he will have a solid yr. The only thing that worries me is the amount of carries Jones will get on a game to game basis and if the only reason he did well is because he played the packers and rams (2 very poor defenses). I think this week is a good test for him vs minn.
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Or maybe he started so poorly because he played the Seahawks and Bears?I think KJ is solid. Solid rookie year. Terrible sophmore year, but it happens. Coaching, play calling and limited carried did not help. He is only in his 3rd season. It's looking like things are really clicking for him and he is very involved in the offense. He is going to get 20 touches a game. That alone is huge. I think he's going to put a productive season together. Nothing eye popping (unless that Detroit offense starts clicking) but 1,100 rushing and 400 receving (or call it 1,500 yards however you want to dice it) looks well within his reach based on current trends (which have been increasing but steady - no monster games in there). The wildcard will be how many times he can get in the end zone. He should out perform his draft position easily and really seems to have as good a shot as anyone at sitting there at RB 10 - 15 come year end.

:2cents:

 
Fantasy football often is about having 2 stud RBs. Giving up on him doesn't help in achieving that goal, unless you're trading him for a possible or definite stud RB.

I can't think of a scenario where I would ever give up on a young, starting RB.

 
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I'm holding/buying KJ right now. He is very invovled in the offense, doesn't get pulled at the goalline and as the offense improves, his numbers should as well. The one big drawback IMO is that he plays Chicago week 16. But maybe Chicago has homefield wrapped up and is setting everyone? Who knows, but that's way down the line.

 
He could be a sell for some teams, depending on how stacked at RB a team is, and their two top backs are already done with byes.

 
Strong buy. I've never liked him until this year, and more specifically, the last two weeks. I think he makes the step to the next level in the next few weeks.

 
before the season and after the first two weeks, i was getting a lot of interest in him in the one league where i own him. the offers were almost exclusively lowball offers. those seemed to have dried up and now i'm getting no interest in him, which is fine. i think most are realizing that he is a top 20 rb, with great upside in ppr leagues and that he isn't going to be acquired cheaply at this point. maybe this is just in my league, but i think that the ship has sailed on acquiring kj on the cheap.

 
traded straight up for C. Palmer before the season started (with 2 solid QBs on the roster), definetly like how his value has increased, and IMO, as their offense continues to meld, he will continue to improve.

hold.

he is beginning to exceed his draft position in most cases, or will soon.

 
Yeah you have to hold him the highest he was drafted was most likely late 2nd round so he has to be exceeding his draft status or meeting it at the moment

 
Jones' problem is that his perceived value will NEVER exceed his actual value.

Jones owners can't get a good deal for him for him because nobody wants to give up a lot for such a flaky, unproven player.

Jones seekers can't get a good deal for him because his owners don't want to lose their high investment.

So, you just have to keep him and hold him. You're better off trading other players to improve your team.

 
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Mr. Mojo said:
Sea Bass said:
Mr. Mojo said:
Sea Bass said:
K. Jones = C. Taylor.
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:no: No.
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Who is greater?
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Jones, easily.Faster and stronger.The only edge for Taylor is a better OL.
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CT is getting like 2.6 ypc. He's compiling decent games by getting 30 touches. Like Reuben Droughns last year, he's fine, but no world-beater.Jones played well against bad teams and poorly against good ones. Detroit has an easy schedule and a crazy coach in Martz, who loves getting the RB into the passing game.
 
I have Rudi, FWP, T. Bell and KJ at RB. We can start 3 WR. I figured with AJ, Bruce and Jennings at WR I would shop KJ for a WR. I'm not looking to do that now.

 
I'm holding onto him for now. The offers I'm getting don't come close to his value. One team in my league is in serious need of a RB2 and even that guy isn't offering anything worth considering. KJ is putting up a solid 16pts/game right now so he's staying in my lineup. I'm fortunate, however, that even if he starts to choke, my team won't be crushed. I think he represents very good value based on where he was drafted in most leagues especially since he is the clear starter and a lot of other RB's that were drafted close to him are still in RBBC at this point. I kept feeling like I was getting stuck with him or being forced(value) to draft him in this years drafts...personally I'm happy to be stuck with him. :thumbup:

 
If anyone ever asks you "Are you buying, or selling?", the answer should always be "Yes... if the price is right".

Englishteacher said:
In leagues without PPR he won't end up anything to write home to Momma about. Trust me.
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I disagree.Kevin Jones was almost universally taken as the very last RB off the board who had no questions about playing time or injuries. As a result, I was very high on Kevin Jones this year... just because he was the very last RB on the board with no questions about playing time or injuries. That is an *incredibly* valuable commodity in fantasy football, and Jones is busy proving that right now.It's funny how, in a game so RB-centric, that people could lose sight of just how valuable clear and uncontested touches are. It's almost impossible for an RB with pretty much no injury concerns and no competition for touches to finish outside of the top 15, top 20 at the lowest. He's no world beater, but since there are usually almost 20 RBs taken in the first two rounds, getting a top-20 RB is definitely something to write home about. A top-20 RB is basically as valuable as a 2nd round draft choice, according to the fantasy market.
 
TME said:
azngangster said:
I drafted him at the end of the third round in a 10 team league, and I have been very satisfied with the results. His involvement in the passing game, and that he is not in a rbbc situation makes me feel that he will have a solid yr. The only thing that worries me is the amount of carries Jones will get on a game to game basis and if the only reason he did well is because he played the packers and rams (2 very poor defenses). I think this week is a good test for him vs minn.
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Or maybe he started so poorly because he played the Seahawks and Bears?I think KJ is solid. Solid rookie year. Terrible sophmore year, but it happens. Coaching, play calling and limited carried did not help. He is only in his 3rd season. It's looking like things are really clicking for him and he is very involved in the offense. He is going to get 20 touches a game. That alone is huge. I think he's going to put a productive season together. Nothing eye popping (unless that Detroit offense starts clicking) but 1,100 rushing and 400 receving (or call it 1,500 yards however you want to dice it) looks well within his reach based on current trends (which have been increasing but steady - no monster games in there). The wildcard will be how many times he can get in the end zone. He should out perform his draft position easily and really seems to have as good a shot as anyone at sitting there at RB 10 - 15 come year end.

:2cents:
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:goodposting:
 
I sold him after week 3, got Stallworth in return. Have Rudi, FWP and F Taylor and am weak at WR - needed to do something. Not looking so good right now though. :no:

Should have waited a weak or dealt Taylor instead. :wall:

 
Daywalker said:
I have Rudi, FWP, T. Bell and KJ at RB. We can start 3 WR. I figured with AJ, Bruce and Jennings at WR I would shop KJ for a WR. I'm not looking to do that now.
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I am in the same boat with Rudi, FWP, and KJ.I am looking to deal FWP. His perceived value is higher...I'm not sure he really is going to be any better...than KJ. I am looking for a top WR for FWP, which I'm sure I'll get.
 
SSOG said it all really. he's a definite hold guy right now. he has tremendous talent and if he can keep healthy and if DET really starts clicking he can be top 10 by the year end IMO. he really is a beast under the right circumstances. perceived value vs actual value is all over the map right now for KJ FF-wise.

 
H.K. said:
Sell. He's coming off his best game of the season, his value will never be higher.
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ok fair enough. you can see my thoughts on KJ a few posts above. what would you sell him for? I'm just trying to gauge his value in your mind here.
 
Horses Mouth said:
H.K. said:
Sell. He's coming off his best game of the season, his value will never be higher.
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ok fair enough. you can see my thoughts on KJ a few posts above. what would you sell him for? I'm just trying to gauge his value in your mind here.
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I'll quote SSOG: If anyone ever asks you "Are you buying, or selling?", the answer should always be "Yes... if the price is right".To answer your question, KJ should be dealt for any player that could improve your team. Not necessarily and RB for RB swap.
 
Bought him after Week 1 for Gonzo

I projected him for a cieling of 5th RB and a floor of 14th.

Yes, I am pretty high on him.

I made an offer that included him, Deuce, and Jones Drew

for LJ, Bennett & Priest

That would give me

LJ

Portis

Chester

12 team dynasty, need WR help, so I am not sure if I wanna do that.

 
He's a buy.

The kid has shown the skills and the output. He's gonna be a good #2 RB this year, better in PPR leagues. But people think he's a FF disaster, so you can get a good deal. I saw a deal for him for Chris Chambers, and that, my friends, is a steal.

Last year's Lions team was a mess in myriad ways. Management was a disaster. Never underestimate the tone of the locker room in this game. Now they have gotten rid of the dysfunction in the organization and going forward will be an okay ball club.

KJ is on mathematical pace for 254 / 1089 / 6, 24 / 158 / 2., and the schedule gets easier and the team better from here.

 
I'm trying to package him in a deal right now to get either McNabb or LT from an owner who has both. Guy is desperate at WR and I'm deep at RB and WR. I'm thinking of offering Jones, Boldin, and Plummer for either.

 
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H.K. said:
Sell. He's coming off his best game of the season, his value will never be higher.
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I sort of disagree. I think it's taken a while for perceptions to come around to reality on this guy. I think people still don't realize what he's really worth.I was running the numbers to compare KJ to Rudi Johnson in PPR leagues, and I came to a surprising conclusion. I figure Rudi is a near-mortal lock for a 1500/12 season with another 20/100 receiving. Right now, I'd say that Kevin Jones is also on pace for about 1600 total yards... and while I only expect him to get 6 or so TDs, he's on pace for 82 catches and I think he could easily get 60 at the least in this Mike Martz offense. Think about that for a second... I'm projecting Kevin Jones to outscore Rudi Johnson here (256 to 252), and it's not even that farfetched of a projection! Thinking long and hard about it, I can honestly say that I value Kevin Jones more than Rudi Johnson in PPR leagues.In non-PPR leagues his value is much lower, but still probably well ahead of what the common perception is. Again, I don't think 1600 total yards and 6 TDs would be hard for him to hit (he's on pace for the yardage, and that's only 3 more scores). That would probably make him a top-12 RB, but good luck getting top-12 RB value in return for him.
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He's a buy.The kid has shown the skills and the output. He's gonna be a good #2 RB this year, better in PPR leagues. But people think he's a FF disaster, so you can get a good deal. I saw a deal for him for Chris Chambers, and that, my friends, is a steal. Last year's Lions team was a mess in myriad ways. Management was a disaster. Never underestimate the tone of the locker room in this game. Now they have gotten rid of the dysfunction in the organization and going forward will be an okay ball club.KJ is on mathematical pace for 254 / 1089 / 6, 24 / 158 / 2., and the schedule gets easier and the team better from here.
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Your numbers are off.KJ is on pace for 248/1012/12 rushing and 82/524/0 receiving. That would be 225.6 points in standard leagues and a whopping 307.6 points in PPR leagues. As for whether it's sustainable... as you said, the schedule gets easier, and the team gets better from here on out.
 
I don't see how KJ's numbers can do anything but improve from hereon out. If you recall from his Ram days, Martz's playbook is something like 400 pages long - likely the most complex in the league. Each week Martz has with the offense is another week of familiarity for those playing in it. For that reason alone I love KJ AND Roy's remaining upside this year (I've got KJ but not Roy, although I might make a play for him).

Kitna, while not great, is a smart QB who can deliver the ball. As the passing game improves, so will the running lanes for KJ. I'm keeping KJ unless I'm offered fair value for him (Top 12 RB), and even then I'll think twice.

 
I was offered Dillon/Crotchery or Dillon/Bruce for KJ?? I already have Portis & Maroney & Barber in a point per reception league.

 
lucky55 said:
I'm considering offering edge for him straight up, am I crazy :banned:
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Do you want to know if I think you're crazy, or do you want to know if I think that'd be a good trade? They're two different questions, you know... ;)A lot of it depends on the scoring system. PPR, like I said, Kevin Jones is this year's LaMont Jordan (i.e. average RB who becomes a stud because he catches a *TON* of junky screens and such). I wouldn't be at all surprised to see KJ finish in the top 5 this year in PPR. Of course, Edge catches a bunch of junky passes, as well, so it's not a slam dunk.Depending on your league's scoring system, I'd probably prefer KJ to Edge.
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I was offered Dillon/Crotchery or Dillon/Bruce for KJ?? I already have Portis & Maroney & Barber in a point per reception league.
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No way in hell. Dillon's platooning. Even worse, the only place he can go from here is down as Maroney eats into his carries. Bruce and Cotchery are both WR4 type players. Why on earth would you trade a potential top-12 RB in exchange for an aging RB who is probably going to get phased out of his offense and a WR4?
 
I have KJ and have very pleased with his performance this season. I also have Westbrook, Foster, DeAngelo, and Gore. I play in a 12 man ppr league so I had that all in mind when I selected and took chances on these players.

I only have 14 roster spots and its virtually impossible for me to have the backups to all my guys.

Is Brian Calhoun worth a roster spot as backup to KJ?? How good is he? I'm really thinking about grabbing Robinson to backup Gore but as I said space is so limited.

 
the spanker said:
I have KJ and have very pleased with his performance this season. I also have Westbrook, Foster, DeAngelo, and Gore. I play in a 12 man ppr league so I had that all in mind when I selected and took chances on these players.I only have 14 roster spots and its virtually impossible for me to have the backups to all my guys. Is Brian Calhoun worth a roster spot as backup to KJ?? How good is he? I'm really thinking about grabbing Robinson to backup Gore but as I said space is so limited.
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Bump. Can anyone answer my question here?
 
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