It's possible we've seen Kevin Smith's best game of 2012. He'll likely be tamed in SF, then LeShoure is coming back the following week. Detroit definitely wants to see what they have in their 2nd round pick from last year. So, being that RB is so thin and there are bound to be teams in your league who are really hurting at the position, K Smith seems like the obvious guy to put on the market. I think most average FF players are aware that K Smith likely will not put up the numbers he did against STL consistently, but I've noticed a lot of teams who are in a bind that are being forced to start guys like Ingram, Ronnie Brown, and Redman. Assuming you're going to put K Smith on the market, what kind of value in return are you looking for? Do you want to try your best to pull the wool over a desperate owner's eyes, or are you just going to take anything you can get because you know its not likely you're going to get much for K Smith?
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This is speculation, although it is likely accurate speculation. However, if they see that what they have is a RB coming off of a major injury who isn't effective, wouldn't Smith than have the possibility to have a better game than 90 total yards and 2 TDs?
Heep
Footballguy
I would start him with complete confidence this weekend. Here's why...
SF has a great defense. And they will get to Stafford often. KSmith is a great receiver out of the backfield so I see a lot of short dump offs to him to avoid sacks. His rushing total may be below average, but I think he can make up for it through receptions. Also there's always that chance of him getting a short td so I still view him as a high end RB2. Injury concern is the wild card...
SF has a great defense. And they will get to Stafford often. KSmith is a great receiver out of the backfield so I see a lot of short dump offs to him to avoid sacks. His rushing total may be below average, but I think he can make up for it through receptions. Also there's always that chance of him getting a short td so I still view him as a high end RB2. Injury concern is the wild card...
RavenLunatic
Footballguy
Got Mike Wallace for Smith in a 12 team PPR league.
Bench was very strong at RB and this shores up WR.
Bench was very strong at RB and this shores up WR.
You're correct...it is mostly speculation (informed speculation). Your alternate scenario is possible. But if you're a guy who drafted Smith as your Flex or as a fill-in starter if you were a concerned MJD or Peterson owner, you can probably feel comfortable trying to use him as a piece to upgrade another position. If there were no other alternatives on your roster, then you might have to stick with him and hope for the best.This is speculation, although it is likely accurate speculation. However, if they see that what they have is a RB coming off of a major injury who isn't effective, wouldn't Smith than have the possibility to have a better game than 90 total yards and 2 TDs?
Kuz
Footballguy
Not this week. I wouldn't touch him unless I had no other options.
bagger
Footballguy
i tried to package him with fred davis to get a top te but didnt get any takers despite those teams being incredibly weak at rb.i may see if i cant get another wr but my wr corps is strong so i may just sit tight.
I think HEEP makes a good point. He most likely won't put up the numbers he did against STL, but his receiving ability will keep him relevant against a tough SF run D.
maybe sitting tight is the best thing to do. I mean, the whole premise behind trading him away depends on an unproven player coming off serious injury. Who's to say LeShoure plays well enough to take Smith's starting job. It's not like Smith hasn't played well when given the opportunity. Holding on to him instead of trading him for the sake of trading him may not be the best idea...
ETA: which is why i would just try to hold up a desperate owner...if he doesn't bite, then oh well...stash Smith on the bench and hope he retains value
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maybe sitting tight is the best thing to do. I mean, the whole premise behind trading him away depends on an unproven player coming off serious injury. Who's to say LeShoure plays well enough to take Smith's starting job. It's not like Smith hasn't played well when given the opportunity. Holding on to him instead of trading him for the sake of trading him may not be the best idea...
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Mikel Leshoure - RB - Lions
Lions OC Scott Linehan expects Mikel Leshoure to contribute immediately once he returns from suspension in Week 3.
"Get his pads on and give him the ball," Linehan said.
from Rotoworld.
How much contribution is the key. I think he will end up with the bulk of the work after the week 5 bye.
Lions OC Scott Linehan expects Mikel Leshoure to contribute immediately once he returns from suspension in Week 3.
"Get his pads on and give him the ball," Linehan said.
from Rotoworld.
How much contribution is the key. I think he will end up with the bulk of the work after the week 5 bye.
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Yenrub
Footballguy
Unfortunately for me I am one of the teams in my league hungry for a RB (I knew I would be because I went with A. Rodgers with the 1st pick)I got what I hoped for out of Smith in week 1 (I kept him for a 10th rd pick) and I expect that he will be a decent bye week starter for the rest of the season (or as long as he stays healthy) Most guys in my league don’t think much of Smith because of his injury history and because LeShoure is there so I’m not going to get anything for him so I might as well hang onto him and play the matchups.He is going to be on my bench this week against the 49ers (there aren't many RB I would start against them) I will probably start one of the Atlanta RB’s this week in his place
djmich
Footballguy
Gotta love these quotes, it is hard to say anything with less meaning if you try.Way I see it is Smith is the man and Leshure is the backup because Smith is very good. Leshoure will get carries, I doubt he gets more than 10 a game unless the Lions are up big. I would expect it to stay that way unless Smith gets hurt. Smith is more prone to get hurt than others based on history but it is being blown too far out of proportion and as a result he is undervalued.Also, I know people are writing off Best, but I do think he represents as much or more risk to Smith than Leshoure. I think it is a certainty that if Best is active that he will take away valuable touches from Smith, and I think people are also underestimating the fact that Best will play this year....for how long who knows.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Dealt for Eric Decker.
Happy to get something.
Happy to get something.
bagger
Footballguy
bagger
Footballguy
i am leaning towards something of this nature. either decker, d jackson, or a brown.we will see.
he was drafted in the mid rounds because he was the clear cut #1 for first two weeks...that made him a valuable RB for the first two weeks of the season which bumped up his ADP...but if he ends up in a time share or as the backup to LeShoure, then his value going forward is not of a normal mid rounder anymore...i just think he was drafted where he was drafted due to the assurance of production for the first two weeks and the possibility that LeShoure would be brought back slower...but if reports are true that the Lions want to get LeShoure going quickly, then Smith has less value as a normal mid round pick....
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Frank Costanza's Lawyer
Footballguy
How is that selling high?he was drafted in the mid rounds because he was the clear cut #1 for first two weeks...that made him a valuable RB for the first two weeks of the season which bumped up his ADP...but if he ends up in a time share or as the backup to LeShoure, then his value going forward is not of a normal mid rounder anymore...i just think he was drafted where he was drafted due to the assurance of production for the first two weeks and the possibility that LeShoure would be brought back slower...but if reports are true that the Lions want to get LeShoure going quickly, then Smith has less value as a normal mid round pick....
its not...thats why, in the above post, i said that i should rephrase the questionHow is that selling high?he was drafted in the mid rounds because he was the clear cut #1 for first two weeks...that made him a valuable RB for the first two weeks of the season which bumped up his ADP...but if he ends up in a time share or as the backup to LeShoure, then his value going forward is not of a normal mid rounder anymore...i just think he was drafted where he was drafted due to the assurance of production for the first two weeks and the possibility that LeShoure would be brought back slower...but if reports are true that the Lions want to get LeShoure going quickly, then Smith has less value as a normal mid round pick....
ETA: because if LeShoure ends up being the dude, then Smith's value will drop significantly, and you basically just spent a midround pick on a guy who was the starter for 2 weeks
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32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Schwartz was on Sirius yesterday and when asked about Smith and Leshoure, he spoke very highly of Smith and reminded everyone that Smith won the game this past week for the Lions. Schwartz said he had a great deal of respect for Smith.
As an aside I own both in several league and will continue to start Smith until he goes down with the inevitable injury. Then use up Leshore.
As an aside I own both in several league and will continue to start Smith until he goes down with the inevitable injury. Then use up Leshore.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
This will be a fantasy disaster when Best returns (And I think he will).
Ingram-Sproles-Thomas 2.0 in the making IMO
Ingram-Sproles-Thomas 2.0 in the making IMO
bagger
Footballguy
no way does best return.his career is over.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Fixed.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I don't see any reason this would happen, unless Smith gets hurt.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I've been trying to sell him like crazy, it's pretty much impossible at this point. I'd rather keep him than trade him for his perceived value. The guys who traded for Wallace and Decker, congrata####inglations.
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because Kevin Smith has a career 4.0 YPC? and LeShoure has looked good according to coaches and the Detroit beat writers seem to constantly drop hints about Smith being hard-pressed to keep his job. People thinking LeShoure is not going to affect Smith that much are wrong. Goal line and at 8-12 carries a game is enough to basically drag Smith down to 8-10 carries and 2-5 receptions per game with very few TDs.
johnadams
Footballguy
Yeah, those are nice hauls. But if Smith manages to buck the expectation that his week against the niners will be worthless, his trade value will probably go up, though tempered by the return (arrival?) of LeShoure. I'd work the trade route like made if he puts up a decent stat line. Look at what Cobb did to the niners out of the backfield. DET will have some similar plays, but for Smith, this week. Niners will concede short passes in favor of blanketing Calvin.
habsfan
Footballguy
I'm hanging onto Smith despite the fact that lots of things could happen to affect his value. He seems to be pretty resilient. Despite injuries and competition, he just keeps hanging around and bouncing back. It would not surprise me in the least to see this guy still in my line-up (or even back in my line-up) down the stretch.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
This was my exact line of thinking. I'm literally 99% convinced he won't be able to total more than 50-60 total yards but if he somehow manages to add a TD with decent reception totals I'll be ecstatic.
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TwinTurbo
Footballguy
You know Smith will be active in the passing game against the 49ers. In PPR scoring, I think he's a must start unless you have some really strong options at RB. Recall that Sproles went 14-116-1 receiving in the playoff game last year against the 49ers.
They do have the league's best run defense, so expect the Lions to spread it out and pass around it.
They do have the league's best run defense, so expect the Lions to spread it out and pass around it.
the spanker
Footballguy
Well I packaged him with his high value with CJ2K and this is how it worked out for me in my PPR league.
I gave CJ2K, Kevin, and Lafell
I got Mathews, Wayne, and Morris
I'm happy
I gave CJ2K, Kevin, and Lafell
I got Mathews, Wayne, and Morris
I'm happy
Struggling to decide if it is him , Quiz, Sid Rice or Britt in my flex. Scoring system for me favours Smith as its 1pt per yard recieivng and 0.5 per yard rushing.Im thinking Detroit uses pass to set up the run.also, how many other RBs have no competition for touches?Well I packaged him with his high value with CJ2K and this is how it worked out for me in my PPR league.I gave CJ2K, Kevin, and LafellI got Mathews, Wayne, and MorrisI'm happy
X2.. Everyone seems convinced that once Leshoure is back, he takes over the job immediately or down the stretch.. Or of that Smith gets hurt. Both could happen, without a doubt. However neither is a given. Smith is a good RB and effective when he is in the game. He has had some great games for Detroit when healthy, and plays well as both a runner and receiver. While Leshoure maybe a better back long term, he is basically a rookie. How many rookie backs do we see completely take over the running game, over a veteran? The hype on rookie RB's is incredible every year, yet I've seen few actually deliver the goods their first year as a decent RB1 or RB2. We could get that from Doug Martin this year, but what about Richardson who was drafted in the 2nd in many redrafts, This year we've already had incredible hype over guys like Turbin and Wilson. Last year we had Quiz and Hunter.. Not to compare Smith to Lynch, Bradshaw, Gore or Turner.. but you get my point. If Smith gets injured, thats another story... You can argue that Smith is injury prone. Maybe he is.. Folks stayed away from Gore last year, anticipating Hunter would take over the running game, but that never came either. Last year Smith basically came off the street after months off, and played on Sunday, and got hurt. Certainly possible that Leshourse takes this job over, as we saw with Murray and Felix Jones last year, but I don't think that is the norm. Not to mention, the Achilles potential risk on Leshoure's side
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Wrong. He'll be back in a more limited role and should produce nicely.
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Insoxicated
Where are you seeing indications that he might be available at some point this year?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Local reports are that Best is hopeful to return after the PUP time is up.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Mitigated risk, traded K.Smith in one of the two leagues I own him in.
BroadwayG
Footballguy
He should be hopeful to return. I am also hopeful I win the lottery. I think I have the better odds.
DevilintheDetail
Footballguy
He's been hopeful for a long time.
fordhampro
Footballguy
Traded K. Smith with Hill and Ogletree for Nicks to a RB needy owner, he was my rb4 after Mathews comes back. I think this week will make a big difference in whether he will be a full fledged starter.
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Insoxicated
Guy was knocked out via concussion almost a YEAR ago and he's STILL not cleared to play by doctors. What will change in the next month that hasn't changed in the previous 10?
