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Kevin Walter Re-Signs with the Texans (1 Viewer)
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
bump down Jacoby Jones.
HellToupee
Footballguy
this is very disappointing news
coolnerd
Footballguy
From a FF perspective?? Jacoby Jones? Texans offense?
coolnerd
Footballguy
Walter missed 2 games in the last 4 years. http://www.nfl.com/players/kevinwalter/car...ts?id=WAL652190
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Walter is one of the most average WR2s in the league IMHO...
I think there's a chance he becomes the WR3 on that team this year.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
He has averaged about 60/800/5 TD the past 3 seasons...very pedestrian when you have perhaps the best WR in all of football lining up across from you.
Texans spent $21 million for him, money better spent along their OL, that's why they continue to dodge the playoffs. They have a very subpar OL and it's been that way since day 1 here.
Texans spent $21 million for him, money better spent along their OL, that's why they continue to dodge the playoffs. They have a very subpar OL and it's been that way since day 1 here.
Getinthemix
Footballguy
Who? Remember they need to fit the ZBS.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
That's one way to approach it...who? It's the victim excuse...you guys have had a horrible OL since day 1. Yet almost without fail the Texans do not draft OL with their top picks. They did draft Duane Brown in Rd1 of the 2008 draft but safe to say that they are going to need a lot more, but other than that they never draft an OL in the 1st or 2nd round. Maybe if you all drafted some guys you wouldn't throw your arms up in the air every off season and post "sign who"...OL rarely become available but even the elite that have changed teams in the last 5-10 years, don't hear the Texans name mentioned much.
When do you finally admit that the OL is the real problem? I know LT and OG doesn't sell seats but the OL is the biggest hole on this team IMHO. Lack of any punch or star power.
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Getinthemix
Footballguy
Thanks for putting words in my mouth. You are quite good at that. I have never said they could not use an improvement on the OL. They did draft Antione Caldwell last year in the 3rd. He was their backup C. Houston lost their two starting guards within the first two weeks of the season, which really did not help the running game. Remember that it was only one year ago, that Slaton was coming off a very good year running the ball. I also feel that Eric Winston is in the top 10 RT's in the league. Very underrated player.
Also as Buckna posted above, 8mil guaranteed is not a whole lot of money. It's not like they gave him Dansby money.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I would have rather spent the money somewhere else. I didn't break down film of the last few games of the season, but it seemed that Andre Johnson, Jacoby Jones, and David Anderson were in on quite a lot of 3 WR packages with Walter nowhere to be found. Jones was damned productive too against the Dolphins and Patriots, although he did cause a pick-six when a pass bounced off his hands. Andre Davis also has a pretty hefty contract and he could've been a fallback option if Jones didn't progress next season. Both Jones and Davis are far more explosive than Walter as well which adds a nice dimension with teams scrambling to cover AJ and Owen Daniels. I wouldn't be surprised to see Davis released now. I guess Walter could've have been battling an injury, but I thought he should've been more productive, especially when Daniels went down.
I was hoping we'd focus on locking up DeMeco Ryans and quit pi$$ing him off and bring in someone like Leigh Bodden to replace Dunta Robinson. This team is closer than its ever been so I think it's time to be a little bit more aggressive. We can get our RB in the draft, but we should actively be seeking upgrades at DT, CB, FS, and OG at the very least...
I was hoping we'd focus on locking up DeMeco Ryans and quit pi$$ing him off and bring in someone like Leigh Bodden to replace Dunta Robinson. This team is closer than its ever been so I think it's time to be a little bit more aggressive. We can get our RB in the draft, but we should actively be seeking upgrades at DT, CB, FS, and OG at the very least...
From the Burleson thread:
Walter's contract average is less than these guys and his guaranteed amount is small, doesn't seem like that bad of a deal to keep our #2 WR in place. Jacoby has shown flashes but is majorly inconsistent, Andre Davis is not a possession guy, really just more a speed burner. I'm happy to have Walter back at what seems like a below market rate value and keep the passing offense intact.
coolnerd
Footballguy
I have so stuck in my head that Texans overlove them some Kevin Walter that I assumed that this was the move the team was going to make, so I pretty numb to "the facts" I looked over the drafts of the Texans for the last 8 years and some crazy stuff is in there. If I have more time i will do a many study in the week or so.
I know it's an unpopular move from a fantasy perspective, as Walter has limited upside and it suppresses the value of Jacoby Jones, but I think it makes sense for the Texans. The guaranteed money isn't crazy, and Walter's a smart player who understands Kubiak's system well, works hard, and is unselfish. He's also a tough player and a good run blocker. Jones has the upside that Walter lacks, but he's very erratic and Kubiak probably felt that he wasn't ready to take that chance with Jones yet -- this will (hopefully) make him work harder, and it's not to say that he won't overtake Walter, but this gives him more competition and gives the Texans more security and depth. Kubiak may also feel that a player like Walter is a better complement to Andre Johnson than Jones -- or that he'd like to mix it up between the two of them.
duece2626
Footballguy
Coach Gary Kubiak confirmed that Kevin Walter is the starter opposite Andre Johnson.
The Texans' aggressive push to bring back Walter shows how little confidence they actually have in Jacoby Jones. Despite Jones' upside, the Texans were willing to give the mediocre Walter a five-year, $21.5M deal including $8M in guaranteed money. Although we could see Jones eventually challenging Walter for the job, it won't happen this year.
Source: Houston Chronicle
The Texans' aggressive push to bring back Walter shows how little confidence they actually have in Jacoby Jones. Despite Jones' upside, the Texans were willing to give the mediocre Walter a five-year, $21.5M deal including $8M in guaranteed money. Although we could see Jones eventually challenging Walter for the job, it won't happen this year.
Source: Houston Chronicle
joefootball
Footballguy
Walter blocks very well in the running game thats why they like him so much. He cracks down on those DE's violently so I think thats where they view him as very valuable.
JPeso
Footballguy
I've noticed this as well. Not a top talent by any means, but serviceable due to his skills outside of just catching balls. A big 'oof' to Jacoby Jones owners, but have to be able to do well at many facets to be counted on play in, play out.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I think way too many people play too much fantasy football and don't pay close enough attention to real life.
Over the past 3 seasons, Walter ranked 25th in receptions, 28th in receiving yards, 31st in receiving TD (and 28th in fantasy points).
His contract is probably UNDERPAYING him given the number of WR in the league averaging $5M+ per year. Not every real life WR2 can get 1,000 yards a season, especially when the team's WR1 has averaged 6.7 receptions a game the past three years.
Over the past 3 seasons, Walter ranked 25th in receptions, 28th in receiving yards, 31st in receiving TD (and 28th in fantasy points).
His contract is probably UNDERPAYING him given the number of WR in the league averaging $5M+ per year. Not every real life WR2 can get 1,000 yards a season, especially when the team's WR1 has averaged 6.7 receptions a game the past three years.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
David, with all due respect, Walter was a very ordinary WR before he hooked up with Andre Johnson across from him. He is not what I would call fast, his ypc is mild, and his 1st 3 years in the league he was never mentioned as an up and coming WR. I would bet a lot of money that his numbers would be even worse on other teams. Sure, he's top30 based on what you posted but the reality is most WRs would be able to do what he does if not more with a guy like AJ across from him. Walter is always matched up against the worst DBs one on one, AJ is double covered every time. And he has had the benefit of Owen Daniels for the better part of the last 3 years too until the injury last year, and then Walter didn't exactly step it up with Daniels going down. I understand exactly what you posted but these old blue eyes of mine don't see anything special when I watch Kevin Walter play.David Yudkin said:
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joefootball
Footballguy
I watch all the Texans games and Walter is plain and simple a good all around football player. He is a full effort guy blocks well and is very reliable pass catcher. Its a great sign for Texans to get him back.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
There were 30 WR that were paid $4M or more last year (pretty much the average per year of Walter's contract). And that doesn't count other guys that signed contracts at that level or more and were released in the last year or two. So there were probably 35+ guys or more that had signed for contracts better than Walter's. Clearly, there will be a host of players that would be able to sign for more than that if they were on the open market (but the thing is they're not).You can say all the things that Walter isn't, but the fact remains that his numbers aren't bad. Again, all that matters is how he plays for the team he is on. HOU valued his production and gave him a decent contract. Just like I said in the Burleson thread, contracts for WR are still pretty high these days and $4 million for a starting WR is not that high.
