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Kitna a Lion

By GEOFF HOBSON

March 14, 2006

Posted: 11:30 a.m.

Kitna

Jon Kitna has agreed to a deal with the Lions, according to an NFL source Tuesday morning The deal ends Kitna's five-year run in Cincinnati that included the 2003 NFL Comeback Player of the Year award, as well as a postseason touchdown pass.

After winning the award, Kitna was demoted in favor of Carson Palmer in the spring of 2004. He expressed his desire to leave and compete for a starting job elsewhere when the Bengals approached him about a contract extension in mid-season. At least early on, Kitna is going to sit behind another high No. 1 pick in Joey Harington (No. 3 in 2002), anointed the starter by new head coach Rod Marinelli.
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Cookiemonster

Footballguy
Kitna a Lion

By GEOFF HOBSON

March 14, 2006

Posted: 11:30 a.m.

Kitna 

Jon Kitna has agreed to a deal with the Lions, according to an NFL source Tuesday morning The deal ends Kitna's five-year run in Cincinnati that included the 2003 NFL Comeback Player of the Year award, as well as a postseason touchdown pass.

After winning the award, Kitna was demoted in favor of Carson Palmer in the spring of 2004. He expressed his desire to leave and compete for a starting job elsewhere when the Bengals approached him about a contract extension in mid-season. At least early on, Kitna is going to sit behind another high No. 1 pick in Joey Harington (No. 3 in 2002), anointed the starter by new head coach Rod Marinelli.
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If he really wanted to start this year, wouldn't he just have signed a one-year deal w/ the Stripes?
 

kbleck

Footballguy
Bye bye Mr. Harrington! :bye:
Ya right Kitna is the almighty savior of the Lions. Garcia sure worked out and id say Garcia is a bit better than Kitna.Harrington has a lot more talent than Kitna and if Martz can harness it and keep him off the turf he will do fine. Otherwise NO QB in Detriot will excell.

 

bicycle_seat_sniffer

Smells like chicken
Bye bye Mr. Harrington! :bye:
Ya right Kitna is the almighty savior of the Lions. Garcia sure worked out and id say Garcia is a bit better than Kitna.Harrington has a lot more talent than Kitna and if Martz can harness it and keep him off the turf he will do fine. Otherwise NO QB in Detriot will excell.
Kitna >>> Garcia
 

Andy Dufresne

Footballguy
Ya right Kitna is the almighty savior of the Lions. Garcia sure worked out and id say Garcia is a bit better than Kitna.
Not at the stages of their respective careers that they're in. Kitna > Garcia > Harrington

 

Magic Man

Footballguy
I don't think Joey is a very heady QB. He was really slow in making his reads and wasn't very accurate with the football. I think the only thing Harrington is better than Kitna at is throwing a deep ball. Martz's system is based on timing and accuracy, so I believe Kitna will be able to beat out Harrington. We'll see I guess.

 

TheFanatic

Footballguy
I think this is a mentoring gig for Kitna. Martz is an egomaniac. How much of a boost to his ego would it be if he could make Harrington a Prowbowler? And before all of you pile on and say that there is no chance he becomes a prowbowler because he sucks so bad remember, you just proved my point that it would be a huge ego boost.

 

David Yudkin

Footballguy
IIRC, Martz has already said that they are sticking with Harrington no matter who they brought in. Kitna is a backup QB, not a starter anymore.

From the Blogger . . .

QB Joey Harrington has received a strong endorsement from Lions management as the No. 1 quarterback. Harrington's rising stock will have the greatest effect on the team's plans in free agency and the draft. The hiring of Mike Martz as offensive coordinator sparked questions whether Harrington would fit a new system. HC Marinelli and team president Matt Millen ended those doubts Tuesday. "We're just moving right down the road with him. We're going to coach this guy real hard. Off of film, you can see all the upside to him, tremendous upside."
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Payne

Footballguy
2 great needs have been filled by the Lions.

WR and backup QB. :rolleyes:

Hey Millen, how about some OL help? Or a CB? Or a DE?

 

Cookiemonster

Footballguy
I don't think Joey is a very heady QB. He was really slow in making his reads and wasn't very accurate with the football. I think the only thing Harrington is better than Kitna at is throwing a deep ball. Martz's system is based on timing and accuracy, so I believe Kitna will be able to beat out Harrington. We'll see I guess.
I remember all the hype on Harrington coming out of college was his accuracy. Though I guess passing % goes down w/ drops and while hurried/hit/sacked. :confused:
 

Andy Dufresne

Footballguy
2 great needs have been filled by the Lions.

WR and backup QB.  :rolleyes:

Hey Millen, how about some OL help? Or a CB? Or a DE?
CB in the 1st. O-line in the 2nd.Or vice versa.

 
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dgreen

Footballguy
IIRC, Martz has already said that they are sticking with Harrington no matter who they brought in. Kitna is a backup QB, not a starter anymore.

From the Blogger . . .

QB Joey Harrington has received a strong endorsement from Lions management as the No. 1 quarterback. Harrington's rising stock will have the greatest effect on the team's plans in free agency and the draft. The hiring of Mike Martz as offensive coordinator sparked questions whether Harrington would fit a new system. HC Marinelli and team president Matt Millen ended those doubts Tuesday. "We're just moving right down the road with him. We're going to coach this guy real hard. Off of film, you can see all the upside to him, tremendous upside."
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That's nice. But, even if he starts the season, Harrington doesn't get past week 4 as the starter.
 

TheFanatic

Footballguy
IIRC, Martz has already said that they are sticking with Harrington no matter who they brought in. Kitna is a backup QB, not a starter anymore.

From the Blogger . . .

QB Joey Harrington has received a strong endorsement from Lions management as the No. 1 quarterback. Harrington's rising stock will have the greatest effect on the team's plans in free agency and the draft. The hiring of Mike Martz as offensive coordinator sparked questions whether Harrington would fit a new system. HC Marinelli and team president Matt Millen ended those doubts Tuesday. "We're just moving right down the road with him. We're going to coach this guy real hard. Off of film, you can see all the upside to him, tremendous upside."
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That's nice. But, even if he starts the season, Harrington doesn't get past week 4 as the starter.
That could very well happen....
 

Bob Henry

Footballguy
Signing Kitna is a step in the right direction, but I wonder if what they saw in Kitna was markedly better than what they saw in Josh McCown. I think the main difference is that Kitna is an established veteran and former starter who's had some success. Other than a handful of 300 yd games, McCown has not tasted success but seems to have more upside yet less polish. At this point, Kitna is the safer pick perhaps, but McCown might have been a better selection if Harrington doesn't work out under Martz' tutelage.

Speaking to the Lions moves, or lack there of so far, I don't think it matters who they line up at QB. Until they address the offensive line and upgrade their right tackle, left guard and center positions, whoever plays QB is getting fed to the Lions.

 

Andy Dufresne

Footballguy
Speaking to the Lions moves, or lack there of so far, I don't think it matters who they line up at QB. Until they address the offensive line and upgrade their right tackle, left guard and center positions, whoever plays QB is getting fed to the Lions.
And since they don't have a single decent cornerback on the roster, they're going to be throwing a lot too.
 

Warhogs

Footballguy
Harrington to Minnesota after Culpepper is gone?

Harrington to Green Bay after Favre retires?

Harrington to Chicago to compete with Grossman?

Man our division is really QB lacking.

 

WampusCat43

Footballguy
Signing Kitna is a step in the right direction, but I wonder if what they saw in Kitna was markedly better than what they saw in Josh McCown. I think the main difference is that Kitna is an established veteran and former starter who's had some success. Other than a handful of 300 yd games, McCown has not tasted success but seems to have more upside yet less polish. At this point, Kitna is the safer pick perhaps, but McCown might have been a better selection if Harrington doesn't work out under Martz' tutelage.

Speaking to the Lions moves, or lack there of so far, I don't think it matters who they line up at QB. Until they address the offensive line and upgrade their right tackle, left guard and center positions, whoever plays QB is getting fed to the Lions.
That last line also speaks to why they signed Kitna. He won't panic in the face of a rush, and is fairly mobile. We'll miss him here in Cincy, and hope he does well.
 

Payne

Footballguy
2 great needs have been filled by the Lions.

WR and backup QB.  :rolleyes:

Hey Millen, how about some OL help? Or a CB? Or a DE?
In Martz' offense, a backup QB that is capable is a priority.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Kitna signing. But Millen really needs to focus on areas of need.

They cannot fill a solid RT, a pass rushing End and a CB all in the draft.

Now that they have their backup QB, let's spend some cash on upgrading those areas and fill the rest in with the draft. (Huff, Justice, etc)

 

bigfun54

Footballguy
As a Cincy fan, I'm not too informed on the Lions' needs, but even if Kitna never does take a game snap, it's a good signing for them. Jon Kitna is a great locker room presence and may be the type of player who really helps someone like Harrington get it. Kitna's talents are what they are. At the end of the day the guy was an undrafted NAIA qb in college, but it's the personality attributes and leadership skills that he brings that makes him valuable.

They just had the Bengals-Minn game on the NFL network the last week or so as Game of the Week and just watching that you see how much of a "coach" Kitna really is. He's always the first one to greet Palmer as he comes off the field to help him study the coverages coming down from the booth. He wants to compete for a starting job, and he'll compete hard, but if it goes to Harrington, you don't have to worry, ever, about Kitna being a distraction.

All that being said, prepare yourself to be so sick and tired of the phrase, "lord and saviour" you'll want to vomit.

 
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Bob Henry

Footballguy
Signing Kitna is a step in the right direction, but I wonder if what they saw in Kitna was markedly better than what they saw in Josh McCown. I think the main difference is that Kitna is an established veteran and former starter who's had some success. Other than a handful of 300 yd games, McCown has not tasted success but seems to have more upside yet less polish. At this point, Kitna is the safer pick perhaps, but McCown might have been a better selection if Harrington doesn't work out under Martz' tutelage.

Speaking to the Lions moves, or lack there of so far, I don't think it matters who they line up at QB. Until they address the offensive line and upgrade their right tackle, left guard and center positions, whoever plays QB is getting fed to the Lions.
That last line also speaks to why they signed Kitna. He won't panic in the face of a rush, and is fairly mobile. We'll miss him here in Cincy, and hope he does well.
I like Kitna plenty, but I'm here to tell anyone that will listen that I don't care if they have Joe Montana in his prime behind their offensive line. It's not going to matter. The ONLY thing Garcia had going for him over Harrington was his ability to scramble and buy a mere second or two before eventually getting killed or running out of bounce for a couple of yards.It was a jailbreak almost every time the Lions tried to pass. The play calling was abysmal. Run on first.. do something stupid on 2nd down.. third down, throw a 3 to 5 yard out or screen when they need 8 to 11 yards. Just horrible.

Martz will improve some of that, but unless he is literally a miracle worker, you can't throw the deep ball from your back. Harrington or Kitna won't have time to throw anything more than the dink and dunk crap if we don't fix the line.

 

Andy Dufresne

Footballguy
They cannot fill a solid RT, a pass rushing End and a CB all in the draft.
Actually, they probably can.1st round tackle - Winston Justice

2nd round cornerback - Richard Marshall/Kelly Jennings/Jonathan Joseph

3rd round rush DE - Mark Anderson, Ray Edwards, Darryl Tapp

 

QuizGuy66

Footballguy
Kitna is a good locker room guy, but it'll be interesting to see if "God" starts telling him to be more vocal about his desire to start. If Harrington's been already named the starter, it's odd that Kit would go there without a true competition for that #1 spot.

I'm a Bengals fan, but frankly I thought we needed somebody with more arm strength as our back-up than Kitna has. Given that the Lions have a big pool of receivers, I would think they'd look for a guy with more arm-strength as well.

All that said, I wish him and the Lions the best. I have a funny feeling that Jamie Martin will be the new #2 in Cincy come later this week.

-QG

 

mlball77

Footballguy
I picked up Harrington in a dynasty league late last season... when his value was very minimal, hoping to stash him in case he'd start somewhere in 06 (although I didn't think it would be Det). I have to say that this signing makes me feel better about Harrington getting the first crack at starting in Det in 06. Will he succeed, I have no idea... but I'm feeling better about him as my QB3.

From an NFL perspective, I think this is a decent signing for the Lions. Kitna is a serviceable QB that from all I've read and seen is a stand up guy to have on the team. Is he the answer long-term at QB? Of course not, but he could be a help short-term as a back-up or as the starter if Harrington struggles again.

 

Payne

Footballguy
Tom Kowalski hit the forum to answer a few questions about the QB situation that Jon Kitna is walking into.

Rudeguy: ... Do you think Kitna for 4 years means Joey is gone?

TomKowalski: No ... signing kitna to a four-year deal means the lions are tired of playing musical chairs at the backup position. ... if harrington isn't around next year, the lions would make another move for a starter ...

TomKowalski: Let me repeat ... what i said a few minutes ago .... no, i don't think that kitna's four-year deal means the end of harrington ... i think it means the lions got tired of playing musical chairs at backup quarterback and they want someone who will be around for awhile and well-versed in the offense ... if harrington's not here next year, i think the lions make another move and go after a no. 1 quarterback ...

John Clayton of ESPN.com speculates on possible terms of the agreement. Again, the word is speculates.

March 14, ESPN.com: Terms of the four-year contract weren't available, but it is believed that Kitna will get a signing bonus of $3 million to $4 million. Kitna visited the Jets and Lions and was under consideration by the Ravens. He sensed something was going to happen with another team over the weekend when he told the Bengals he would not be returning.

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Kitna, who had rejected a mid-season offer to extend his contract, made it clear after that playoff game loss to the Steelers that he would test the free agent market and seek a better situation, one where he might be able to compete for the No. 1 job

 

Bri

Footballguy
Bye bye Mr. Harrington! :bye:
Ya right Kitna is the almighty savior of the Lions. Garcia sure worked out and id say Garcia is a bit better than Kitna.Harrington has a lot more talent than Kitna and if Martz can harness it and keep him off the turf he will do fine. Otherwise NO QB in Detriot will excell.
Kitna >>> Garcia
Garcia lost his head somewhere along the way from San Fran to Cleve.He was a very good player before that

 

Bri

Footballguy
okay, so the QB of NOW is in the club house... Kitna, King, Harrington, Orlovsky... is this so Kitna can do what he did in cincy? with a QB of the future?? is orlovsky the future? or is the future out there?? say Brady Quinn??
Martz praised Fitzpatrick. Maybe he's available for trade
 

blend

Footballguy
Joey has asked for a trade. I smell something else happening.
Where did you hear this?
Link to it, please, Bankerguy.
I've looked everywhere I can think and I have not heard any mention of Joey requesting a trade since the new regime has taken over. In fact, I remember reading that Joey was pleased with the way he's been handled by them???
 

Texasmouth

Footballguy
Horrible signing by the Lions.

Horrible choice by Kitna.

Why sign a guy who is average at best when you have a younger version of him in house all ready. Harrington can easily get this team to 8-8 with the new management. Kitna will do no better.

Why go to Detroit if you are Kitna? His first and last stop should have been NY. He could beat out the one armed bandit Pennington.

 
Horrible signing by the Lions.

Horrible choice by Kitna.

Why sign a guy who is average at best when you have a younger version of him in house all ready. Harrington can easily get this team to 8-8 with the new management. Kitna will do no better.

Why go to Detroit if you are Kitna? His first and last stop should have been NY. He could beat out the one armed bandit Pennington.
Horrible signing? :no:
 

offdee

Footballguy
Horrible signing by the Lions.

Horrible choice by Kitna.

Why sign a guy who is average at best when you have a younger version of him in house all ready. Harrington can easily get this team to 8-8 with the new management. Kitna will do no better.

Why go to Detroit if you are Kitna? His first and last stop should have been NY. He could beat out the one armed bandit Pennington.
With the Saints signing Brees, the Jets could easily now be going QB with the #4 pick (possibly even Leinart)....it would be like the Carson Palmer scenario all over again for him.And, if you haven't watched any Lions games....Harrington is terrible. Kitna may play the "I'm coming into backup and play mentor to Joey" card, but in the back of his mind he knows he has just as good of a chance at being the #1 long term in this organization as anywhere else.

Couple all of this with the Detroit offensive weapons and the Martz influenced offense and I don't see why this wouldn't be his best option.

 

Cookiemonster

Footballguy
okay, so the QB of NOW is in the club house...  Kitna, King, Harrington, Orlovsky...  is this so Kitna can do what he did in cincy? with a QB of the future??  is orlovsky the future?  or is the future out there??  say Brady Quinn??
Martz praised Fitzpatrick. Maybe he's available for trade
This is along my lines of thinking. Go out and get the 3rd QB by about week 8. Martz' offense will make him pretty valuble by weeks 10-13.
 

hutchins929

Footballguy
I think this is a mentoring gig for Kitna. Martz is an egomaniac. How much of a boost to his ego would it be if he could make Harrington a Prowbowler? And before all of you pile on and say that there is no chance he becomes a prowbowler because he sucks so bad remember, you just proved my point that it would be a huge ego boost.
what the hell is a prowbowler??? :lmao:
 

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