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[bigbottom]

I'm not so sure of that. I mean, how often, in the real world, do you see people blatantly cut in front of others in lines (outside of teenagers)? I see it happen all the time flying Southwest. You line up in groups of 5, based on your number. So like, if you have A17, you'd line up in the A16-A20 area. I've had people in the same group as me cram themselves right between me and another person, with inches to spare, instead of standing behind me where they have 5+ feet of room. Just to get ahead by one. I don't think you'd see that kind of behavior in the real world.

I'm guessing you don't drive on the freeway much? Also, perhaps the guy squeezing in front of you has A16.

Well, A16 doesn't matter... it's not supposed to be in perfect order, just in groups.

The guy with A16 got his boarding priority position before you did. If you stand at the front of the group and begrudge anyone getting in front of you, it sure seems like you're the one trying to get ahead by one.

 

[Jewell]

My dream would be if the seats did not recline and the tray tables all had little pillows that I could put my head on.

And would it be too much to ask for us to go back to the young, hot stewardesses?

 

[culdeus]

Can someone diagram on a napkin how a reclined seat decreases leg room of the passenger behind it? Please fax it to me when complete.

You're not this dim, culdeus.

No, really I am. Someone explain this to me. The biggest PITA about it is if you want to use a laptop or join the mile high club.

 

[LC512]

I'm not so sure of that. I mean, how often, in the real world, do you see people blatantly cut in front of others in lines (outside of teenagers)? I see it happen all the time flying Southwest. You line up in groups of 5, based on your number. So like, if you have A17, you'd line up in the A16-A20 area. I've had people in the same group as me cram themselves right between me and another person, with inches to spare, instead of standing behind me where they have 5+ feet of room. Just to get ahead by one. I don't think you'd see that kind of behavior in the real world.

I'm guessing you don't drive on the freeway much? Also, perhaps the guy squeezing in front of you has A16.

Well, A16 doesn't matter... it's not supposed to be in perfect order, just in groups.

The guy with A16 got his boarding priority position before you did. If you stand at the front of the group and begrudge anyone getting in front of you, it sure seems like you're the one trying to get ahead by one.

Nah, you're taking me way too literally.I'm usually one of the last few people to stand up in the terminal, trying to figure out why people spend 30 minutes standing up, to get 4 spots ahead for an Austin->Dallas flight that takes 35 minutes airtime. I just wander to the back of the little 5 person area, which is generally nice and roomy because the other 4 people are jockey for position at the "front" of the 6 foot standing area. Not worth the stress.

 

[bigbottom]

Can someone diagram on a napkin how a reclined seat decreases leg room of the passenger behind it? Please fax it to me when complete.

You're not this dim, culdeus.

No, really I am. Someone explain this to me. The biggest PITA about it is if you want to use a laptop or join the mile high club.

I don't have a napkin handy, nor do I think I could fax it if I did, but I'll try to explain this non-visually. Some people's legs are so long that, when seated, their knees are above the level of the lower cushion of the seat in front of them. Reclining the seat encroaches on the leg room of the rear passenger because the passenger's knees are in the space of the reclining seat back.

 

[Sinn Fein]

My dream would be if the seats did not recline and the tray tables all had little pillows that I could put my head on.

And would it be too much to ask for us to go back to the young, hot stewardesses?

But not the Delta stewardess they use on the safety video. She scares me.

 

[bigbottom]

I'm not so sure of that. I mean, how often, in the real world, do you see people blatantly cut in front of others in lines (outside of teenagers)? I see it happen all the time flying Southwest. You line up in groups of 5, based on your number. So like, if you have A17, you'd line up in the A16-A20 area. I've had people in the same group as me cram themselves right between me and another person, with inches to spare, instead of standing behind me where they have 5+ feet of room. Just to get ahead by one. I don't think you'd see that kind of behavior in the real world.

I'm guessing you don't drive on the freeway much? Also, perhaps the guy squeezing in front of you has A16.

Well, A16 doesn't matter... it's not supposed to be in perfect order, just in groups.

The guy with A16 got his boarding priority position before you did. If you stand at the front of the group and begrudge anyone getting in front of you, it sure seems like you're the one trying to get ahead by one.

Nah, you're taking me way too literally.I'm usually one of the last few people to stand up in the terminal, trying to figure out why people spend 30 minutes standing up, to get 4 spots ahead for an Austin->Dallas flight that takes 35 minutes airtime. I just wander to the back of the little 5 person area, which is generally nice and roomy because the other 4 people are jockey for position at the "front" of the 6 foot standing area. Not worth the stress.

Your example is far less persuasive when you admit that you were embellishing.

 

[culdeus]

Can someone diagram on a napkin how a reclined seat decreases leg room of the passenger behind it? Please fax it to me when complete.

You're not this dim, culdeus.

No, really I am. Someone explain this to me. The biggest PITA about it is if you want to use a laptop or join the mile high club.

I don't have a napkin handy, nor do I think I could fax it if I did, but I'll try to explain this non-visually. Some people's legs are so long that, when seated, their knees are above the level of the lower cushion of the seat in front of them. Reclining the seat encroaches on the leg room of the rear passenger because the passenger's knees are in the space of the reclining seat back.

oh. I guess I can see that.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

The average height of an American male is 5'9. If you're 6'4 you're a minority. Why do minorities in this country always think they're special and deserve to be treated better than the rest? It's not our problem you've got some sort of gland problem, Andre the Giant, Lou Alcinder.

 

[Sinn Fein]

My dream would be if the seats did not recline and the tray tables all had little pillows that I could put my head on.

And would it be too much to ask for us to go back to the young, hot stewardesses?

But not the Delta stewardess they use on the safety video. She scares me.

1:50 into the clip

 

[Apes with Guns]

And with its new design, this clever product looks cool, too.

:(

 

[Apes with Guns]

The average height of an American male is 5'9. If you're 6'4 you're a minority. Why do minorities in this country always think they're special and deserve to be treated better than the rest? It's not our problem you've got some sort of gland problem, Andre the Giant, Lou Alcinder.

I hardly think blaming our problems on "glads" is going to help bring us together, Dr. Gobbler.

 

[bshell27]

I can deal with the person who leans their seat back, but what about these people who think it's OK to just drop a fart on a crowded plane? Is there a product for that?

I dealt with a combination of this and the reclined seat with a child situation coming back from Disney to Chicago. Lady in front of us was with her girlfriend (NTTAWWT), who also weighed in around 300#. I have a 4 year old, a 1 year old, my wife and I in three seats. She proceeds to recline back into my wife who is holding my 1 year old. I am very protective and instead of not saying anything asked politely if she could not recline so much as we have small children in a confined space. She grudgingly moved her seat up but things only got worse from there. Kids are kids and as far as the flight goes, they were fantastic, but any LITTLE bump or nudge and she kept grumbling and groaning. I then spoke up again and said the plane is 3/4 full and there are plenty of other seats. If she would like to move please do so. We were not about to move as my 1 year old was sleeping and my 4 year old was almost there. (Tossing and turning, hence the bumps) Lady proceeds to be quiet the rest of the plane ride except for the occasional makeout session with partner or random passing of gas, both were unpleasant.

 

[El Floppo]

And with its new design, this clever product looks cool, too.

:(

Yeah- I saw that too.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Timely article by yahoo. Fwiw, Ms. Post is an etiquette expert. Mr. Wishner is someone in this thread.http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112377/who-gets-the-armrest?mod=family-travel

6. Do you recline your seat?Ms. Loew: More people are choosing not to recline in deference to their fellow passenger. If someone reclines and you can't do your work, then you are permitted to ask them to please adjust their seat. Expect a dirty look and a 50/50 chance of achieving your goal.Mr. McDaniel: You have the right to recline, however it is nice if you check to see if anyone has their computer open or has something that can spill on their tray before reclining. If you choose to recline, do it slowly or just halfway.Mr. Bethune: Live with it. The recline is your space.Mr. Wishner: Put your knee in the back of his seat.Ms. Post: It's OK to recline, just don't do it fast. If the airline gives you the option to recline, that is yours. You don't need to ask permission.Mr. Hanson: Some seats are so close together, and some seatbacks recline so much, that ethics and courtesy demand not asserting your "right" to recline all the way. One should always assess the impact your reclining has on the person behind.

 

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[Osaurus]

No surprise chet hasn't chimed in.

 

[Thunderlips]

I never understood these seat back people. It's like a bunch of kids "ohhh my seat goes back"...."now it goes foreward". Christ...if you can't sit still in a chair for a few hours....you've got problems.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

People with kids in this thread that think everyone else should cater to them can #### off.

Buy your rugrat a seat.

 

[bshell27]

People with kids in this thread that think everyone else should cater to them can #### off. Buy your rugrat a seat.

I invite you to take a 1 year old child on an airplane and demand that he/she sit in the seat for 4 hours. Scratch that for 4 minutes. Then report back and see if you still hold the same opinion. I would venture to say that you don't. Another thing, YOU ARE ON A PUBLIC PLANE, there will be small children. Why should parents with small children have to cater to you and have to muzzle and tie their children in straight jackets? I hope I buy my kid the seat right behind you and I will let her kick the chair and play with the table all flight long. I am concious of those around me and I stop them from this type of behavior as I do not want to disturb anyone, but I will make an exception for you.

 

[marshall88]

People with kids in this thread that think everyone else should cater to them can #### off. Buy your rugrat a seat.

I invite you to take a 1 year old child on an airplane and demand that he/she sit in the seat for 4 hours. Scratch that for 4 minutes. Then report back and see if you still hold the same opinion. I would venture to say that you don't. Another thing, YOU ARE ON A PUBLIC PLANE, there will be small children. Why should parents with small children have to cater to you and have to muzzle and tie their children in straight jackets? I hope I buy my kid the seat right behind you and I will let her kick the chair and play with the table all flight long. I am conscious of those around me and I stop them from this type of behavior as I do not want to disturb anyone, but I will make an exception for you.

If your 1 year old was in a seat, rather than riding on your wife's lap the entire flight, it's more likely that he wouldn't disturb the person in front of him. Heck, a 1 year old in a seat can probably kick his legs all flight long and not hit the seat in front of him.It's understandable if your kid is crying because his ears hurt, or he's hungry, etc., but that's about it. Otherwise, it's a parents responsibility to make sure their kids are behaved on a plane flight.

 

[bigbottom]

People with kids in this thread that think everyone else should cater to them can #### off. Buy your rugrat a seat.

I invite you to take a 1 year old child on an airplane and demand that he/she sit in the seat for 4 hours. Scratch that for 4 minutes. Then report back and see if you still hold the same opinion. I would venture to say that you don't. Another thing, YOU ARE ON A PUBLIC PLANE, there will be small children. Why should parents with small children have to cater to you and have to muzzle and tie their children in straight jackets? I hope I buy my kid the seat right behind you and I will let her kick the chair and play with the table all flight long. I am conscious of those around me and I stop them from this type of behavior as I do not want to disturb anyone, but I will make an exception for you.

If your 1 year old was in a seat, rather than riding on your wife's lap the entire flight, it's more likely that he wouldn't disturb the person in front of him. Heck, a 1 year old in a seat can probably kick his legs all flight long and not hit the seat in front of him.It's understandable if your kid is crying because his ears hurt, or he's hungry, etc., but that's about it. Otherwise, it's a parents responsibility to make sure their kids are behaved on a plane flight.

the muzzle and straight jacket does sound like a pretty good idea, though.

 

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People with kids in this thread that think everyone else should cater to them can #### off. Buy your rugrat a seat.

I invite you to take a 1 year old child on an airplane and demand that he/she sit in the seat for 4 hours. Scratch that for 4 minutes. Then report back and see if you still hold the same opinion. I would venture to say that you don't. Another thing, YOU ARE ON A PUBLIC PLANE, there will be small children. Why should parents with small children have to cater to you and have to muzzle and tie their children in straight jackets? I hope I buy my kid the seat right behind you and I will let her kick the chair and play with the table all flight long. I am conscious of those around me and I stop them from this type of behavior as I do not want to disturb anyone, but I will make an exception for you.

If your 1 year old was in a seat, rather than riding on your wife's lap the entire flight, it's more likely that he wouldn't disturb the person in front of him. Heck, a 1 year old in a seat can probably kick his legs all flight long and not hit the seat in front of him.It's understandable if your kid is crying because his ears hurt, or he's hungry, etc., but that's about it. Otherwise, it's a parents responsibility to make sure their kids are behaved on a plane flight.

the muzzle and straight jacket does sound like a pretty good idea, though.

It's called benadryl people... use it. Worst flights ever are sunday afternoon from Orlando to anywhere. Buncha spoiled ### kids flipping out because they want to go back and see mickey again. Flights are usually about 30% screaming brats. F that.

 

[BigJohn]

@ anybody expecting someone to drop several hundred dollars to be courteous to the dooshbag who can't put his seat up.

 

[bigbottom]

@ anybody expecting someone to drop several hundred dollars to be courteous to the dooshbag who can't put his seat up.

I've always bought my kids a seat. I care about their safety and I don't want to burden my wife. But I realize that other people have different priorities.

 

[bigbottom]

My mouth is typically closed when I type.

p.s. I was just jerking your chain. Perhaps I was being too subtle.

Edit: No need to delete the post, Big J.

 

[BigJohn]

My mouth is typically closed when I type.p.s. I was just jerking your chain. Perhaps I was being too subtle.

I'm trying to type on this damn iPhone with my fat fingers and for the love of beans why can't they have arrows like a keyboard to navigate around the text field....

 

[Mister CIA]

I can deal with the person who leans their seat back, but what about these people who think it's OK to just drop a fart on a crowded plane? Is there a product for that?

I was thinking that crop-dusting is the best defense offense against recliners.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Airlines should start offering in-flight parenting classes.

 

[Dexter]

Airlines should start offering in-flight parenting classes.

Lesson 1. Don't take your 2 y/o kid on a 5 hour plane ride to Hawaii.

 

[El Floppo]

Airlines should start offering in-flight parenting classes.

Lesson 1. Don't take your 2 y/o kid on a 5 hour plane ride to Hawaii.

Lesson 2. Tickets bought... when are you going? I'll reschedule our flight to coincide.

 

[5Rings]

If you're going to recline your seat, a bit of warning would be nice.I'm 6'3" and sometimes my knees are very close to the back of you seat. Hitting the recline button and going back as hard and fast as you can into my knees doesn't feel good. Then wondering why your seat isn't going back that far and trying to ram your seat back again also hurts. Give me a warning so I can move my knees out of the way... Also please don't recline back all the way or my knees will have no room and will be pushing into the back of your seat causing you discomfort.

Speed reclining dbags kill laptops, too.I've found most people to be pretty nice about it if you ask them to move the seat off your knees.

 

[Short Corner]

Every flight I'm on the plane takes off and 95% of the people simply recline their seat.

Bull####.

Conservative estimate for flights I have been on. If someone puts one of those contraptions on my seat, I am complaining until one of us is in business class or you on the no fly list. Dont think you will be getting any sleep either.

 

[3C's]

The average height of an American male is 5'9. If you're 6'4 you're a minority.

Apparently not at fbg's though. Add that to the list I guess. Wealthy, Mensa intelligence, athletic, Brad Pitt looks AND tall. Seems like everyone posting in here (but me ) is 6'3" plus.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

I can't remember the last time I had a hot stewardess on my flight. Where did all of these bitter, menopausal, hash house waitresses come from?

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

The average height of an American male is 5'9. If you're 6'4 you're a minority.

Apparently not at fbg's though. Add that to the list I guess. Wealthy, Mensa intelligence, athletic, Brad Pitt looks AND tall. Seems like everyone posting in here (but me ) is 6'3" plus.

It's ok. Like dogs, the bigger you are, the faster you age.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'm going to order a set and lock the seat in front in an upright position, then lean my seat all the way back to maximize my in-flight experience.

Good thinking here

 

[bshell27]

@ anybody expecting someone to drop several hundred dollars to be courteous to the dooshbag who can't put his seat up.

I've always bought my kids a seat. I care about their safety and I don't want to burden my wife. But I realize that other people have different priorities.

Safety? If the plane goes down, seat or no seat safety is the same. Otherwise if wife or I are holding our kid she is not falling due to turbulence, etc. Burden your wife? So you can't actively participate? You expect your wife to do it all? That is nice of you. Father of the year award!

 

[Christo]

@ anybody expecting someone to drop several hundred dollars to be courteous to the dooshbag who can't put his seat up.

I've always bought my kids a seat. I care about their safety and I don't want to burden my wife. But I realize that other people have different priorities.

Safety? If the plane goes down, seat or no seat safety is the same. Otherwise if wife or I are holding our kid she is not falling due to turbulence, etc. Burden your wife? So you can't actively participate? You expect your wife to do it all? That is nice of you. Father of the year award!

Yeah, right.

 

[Foosball God]

@ anybody expecting someone to drop several hundred dollars to be courteous to the dooshbag who can't put his seat up.

I've always bought my kids a seat. I care about their safety and I don't want to burden my wife. But I realize that other people have different priorities.

Safety? If the plane goes down, seat or no seat safety is the same. Otherwise if wife or I are holding our kid she is not falling due to turbulence, etc. Burden your wife? So you can't actively participate? You expect your wife to do it all? That is nice of you. Father of the year award!

You've obviously never been in rough turbulence.

 

[bigbottom]

@ anybody expecting someone to drop several hundred dollars to be courteous to the dooshbag who can't put his seat up.

I've always bought my kids a seat. I care about their safety and I don't want to burden my wife. But I realize that other people have different priorities.

Safety?

Yes.

If the plane goes down, seat or no seat safety is the same. Otherwise if wife or I are holding our kid she is not falling due to turbulence, etc.

Having a child buckled into a car seat is far safer than a child sitting on your lap during turbulence. This is pretty much a no brainer.

Burden your wife? So you can't actively participate? You expect your wife to do it all? That is nice of you. Father of the year award!

It would really help if you actually read the thread. BigJohn is the one that made his wife hold his toddler for the entire five-hour flight:

And, I'm over 6 feet, so putting him on my lap would have been even worse since her #####-### daughter in front of me was also reclined.

And then of course there's this:

p.s. I was just jerking your chain. Perhaps I was being too subtle.

 

[Don't Noonan]

I actually have a pair of these. Only had to use them once (granted I don't fly very much.) Most people are considerate of the 6'5 man behind them. But on one small commuter flight (DC to Columbus) the guy didn't give a ####. Had his seat reclined before we even left the gate. Stewardess asked him once to put his seat upright for takeoff, as soon as she turned around, he reclined back again. Got told again seat in the upright position. I placed my hand on the back of his seat to prevent him from reclining again. Took off, I quickly put the tray table down and wedge them in. He tries to recline but can't. Surprisingly, he never said a word.

I do this too but it's never my intention to bother anybody. I would appreciate someone mentioning it to me politely instead of using one of these devices so we can work something out. There's no need to get all passive-aggressive with a pair of these. Besides if you're 6-5 most people aren't going to give you any trouble if you tell them it's causing you a problem.

I figure if you're inconsiderate enough to have your seat reclined before the people in the row behind you are even in, and ignore the stewardesses instructions, there's not going to be much of a chance of a civil discussion.

I normally lean my seat back to the first (least recline position) once the plane starts to move and then lean it back right after takeoff. Obviously I wouldn't do it while people were still getting to their seats or on a small plane like that. I'm not trying to be a #### but it's just uncomfortable being tall and sitting straight up in those seats.

I'm 6'8" and I never recline my seat. I think it is very discourtious to recline your seat if you have someone sitting behind you. Being tall doesn't make it any more uncomfortable sitting straight up. In fact, I would MUCH rather sit straight up and not have someone recline in front of me than recline my seat along with the person in front of me. However, as Christo mentioned earlier, I usually just wedge my knees up to the seat in front of me and physically not allow the person to recline.This product is also flawed for us tall folks. I can never use the tray because my legs are too tall and my drink would slide on my lap.Most of the people who see no wrong for reclining their seats just don't realize how uncomfortable it is because they aren't tall enough to experience it.

 

[the moops]

The seat only reclines like 3 degrees people.

 

[Don't Noonan]

This topic was done before and I just dug up the thread. It is funny to see the same people defending their same views, myself included.

Footballguys Link

 

[the moops]

This topic was done before and I just dug up the thread. It is funny to see the same people defending their same views, myself included.

Footballguys Link

Everyone was funnier 4 years ago.

 

[massraider]

The seat only reclines like 3 degrees people.

Seriously, what the heck?

 

[Rayderr]

Every flight I'm on the plane takes off and 95% of the people simply recline their seat.

Bull####.

Conservative estimate for flights I have been on. If someone puts one of those contraptions on my seat, I am complaining until one of us is in business class or you on the no fly list. Dont think you will be getting any sleep either.

It's not on your seat. It's on the other persons tray table. So now in addition to wanting to recline your seat, you want to say what other people can have on their tray tables?

 

[El Floppo]

Every flight I'm on the plane takes off and 95% of the people simply recline their seat.

Bull####.

Conservative estimate for flights I have been on. If someone puts one of those contraptions on my seat, I am complaining until one of us is in business class or you on the no fly list. Dont think you will be getting any sleep either.

It's not on your seat. It's on the other persons tray table. So now in addition to wanting to recline your seat, you want to say what other people can have on their tray tables?

yes, if it means I can't recline my seat.

 

[El Floppo]

@ anybody expecting someone to drop several hundred dollars to be courteous to the dooshbag who can't put his seat up.

I've always bought my kids a seat. I care about their safety and I don't want to burden my wife. But I realize that other people have different priorities.

Safety? If the plane goes down, seat or no seat safety is the same. Otherwise if wife or I are holding our kid she is not falling due to turbulence, etc. Burden your wife? So you can't actively participate? You expect your wife to do it all? That is nice of you. Father of the year award!

You've obviously never been in rough turbulence.

They also use the mom's arms as seatbelt trick. Car-seat, shmar-seat!

 

[eoMMan]

The seat only reclines like 3 degrees people.

Seriously, what the heck?

Do you guys know what 3 degrees look like? I'm guessing it's more like 25 to 45 degrees......at least.