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MCguidance
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I am not enamored with the matchup. Ravens have let up a 100 yard rusher in back to back games, and I think that yardage might be there, but for BOTH moreno and Buckhalter.
ft_ball_fan
Footballguy
Buckhalter is a more physical back and that's what BAL seems to struggle with... I think he has a better day than Moreno... I don't think either goes for 100 (just because they're splitting time).
Right, I know, makes a guy wonder how a FBG expert would determine that "Good matchup".
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awesomeness
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No he isn't.
Well, I'm sitting Moreno this week but I am fortunate enough to have D. Willia,s R. Rice and Kevin Smith all ahead of him on my depth chart.
My issue right now with Denver is that Buckhalter is still very much in the mix. This isn't like Jonathan Stewart where he comes in for a few plays and then Williams comes back in. Buck is in the game a lot, even though the carries may not add up that way. Denver will find it much easier to attack Baltimore through the air with their top CB's hurt.
The shared time between Buck and Moreno bothers me enough that Moreno is not a "good matchup" for me unless Buck is injured or the matchup is fantastic.
Plus, Moreno, while being solid, hasn't had any "wow" moments this year where people have said "just get him the ball more, he's a stud" or anything like that.
My issue right now with Denver is that Buckhalter is still very much in the mix. This isn't like Jonathan Stewart where he comes in for a few plays and then Williams comes back in. Buck is in the game a lot, even though the carries may not add up that way. Denver will find it much easier to attack Baltimore through the air with their top CB's hurt.
The shared time between Buck and Moreno bothers me enough that Moreno is not a "good matchup" for me unless Buck is injured or the matchup is fantastic.
Plus, Moreno, while being solid, hasn't had any "wow" moments this year where people have said "just get him the ball more, he's a stud" or anything like that.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Based on what he did vs SD, I say its NoShow Moreno this week.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
packersfan
Footballguy
I agree. He looked awful against a bad San Diego run defense. I don't see him doing well this week. He's not involved at all in the passing game and Buckhalter looked much better last week. I would rank Moreno in the 30-35 range among RBs this week. I think he's a weak RB3 with no upside. I think the best you can hope for is 50 yards rushing, 1 reception and 0 TDs.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
I own Moreno, but not CBuck...IMO, CBuck looks much more explosive, and has done more w/ fewer touches. My eyes must be deceiving me, because I don't understand the people who love Knowshon. He doesn't look like anything special to me. 
I own Moreno, but not CBuck...IMO, CBuck looks much more explosive, and has done more w/ fewer touches. My eyes must be deceiving me, because I don't understand the people who love Knowshon. He doesn't look like anything special to me.
I also own him and can keep him next year if I wish but I would like to see a big time game from him this year to feel all warm and fuzzy about it.
packersfan
Footballguy
I drafted him thinking he would be a keeper next year but right now he's no better than sixth on my list. He runs hard but he doesn't seem very explosive. Buckhalter looks like the more explosive RB. I also remember hearing a lot of good things about Moreno's receiving skills but he's a non-factor there. McDaniels clearly trusts Buckhalter more and wants to use him more in the passing game. As a Moreno owner I'm glad he's the one getting the bulk of the carries but from an unbiased perspective I think the Broncos might want to think about giving him fewer carries and giving more to Buckhalter going forward.I own Moreno, but not CBuck...IMO, CBuck looks much more explosive, and has done more w/ fewer touches. My eyes must be deceiving me, because I don't understand the people who love Knowshon. He doesn't look like anything special to me.
packersfan
Footballguy
I posted a couple of weeks ago that it reminds me of the Addai/Rhodes situation from last season. The younger player started and got most of the carries but it was the older guy who looked better and did more with less. I like the fact Moreno runs hard. I just wish he got more out of his carries than he does. 18 for 44 against the Chargers is pretty awful.
packersfan
Footballguy
Ravens have allowed 2 rushing TDs this season. Moreno has 1 rushing TD. Not sure he bucks the trend this week.
gonzobill5
Footballguy
Didn't get to see this game, how was SD able to stop the Denver run game? Boxscore indicates Orton had an easy time throwing the ball, was SD selling out to stop the run?Rushmore said:
packersfan
Footballguy
The Chargers came to play that night and played pretty hard but I don't think they really stopped the Denver running game. They stopped Moreno and he got a lot of carries. They didn't stop Buckhalter. He busted off quite a few good runs against them and should have been used more.
Rushmore
Footballguy
Agreed. And to add to this, Moreno was used on a lot of predictable running downs and on frequent quick hitters. They seemed to use more creative running plays with Buckhalter, and perhaps he just was just the beneficiary of being in there on a few softer schemes. The Charger's D is pretty agressive with blitz packages and when Moreno got the ball, there really didn't seem to be much room for him in his defense. There seemed to be a defender meeting him close to the line of scrimmage. Moreno did seem to run hard, just didn't seem to have much success getting it into any space.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Sure has a funny first name.
I'm benching him for Wells.
I'm benching him for Wells.
moleculo
Footballguy
this is my take as well. For whatever reason, it has seemed like Buck has had cleaner holes to run through all season. Moreno has done quite well for what he has been given; he simply hasn't had the blocking/catch-the D-in-the-wrong-scheme like Buck has.Of course, that could have to do with Buck being a wiley veteran who has better vision and hits the holes harder - it's tough for me as an arm chair QB to diagnose exactly what is going on here.
MCguidance
Footballguy
My thoughts exactly. I think I see the same, but at some point it's not just better blocking, right? I don't break down game film like McDaniels, so theres a reason the splits favor Moreno, no?
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Moreno has been handling much of the short-yardage and inside runs while Buckhalter gets the more creative pitches, sweeps and screens to the outside.
moleculo
Footballguy
of course, there's no indications that there is any change to the status quo though...should we expect anything different moving forward? I wonder if the bye week gets Moreno a chance to catch up, especially given he missed most of TC with the injury...I haven't heard anything different, but it would be a great time to change things up.
This is overrated a bit. I think part of the reason why Moreno doesn't get the pitches/sweeps is because he's not much of a burner. Besides, I know you disagree, but Buckhalter gets plenty of his right up the middle. His longest run from scrimmage against San Diego went right up the middle, and was longer than anything Moreno had been able to do on any of his runs this season.Moreno hasn't really put everything together yet. He hasn't looked terrible, but it's not like he's this great RB who's really been held back by his team's struggles on his behalf or anything. There's no shame in it- hasn't yet is a long way away from never will, especially given how little work Moreno had this last offseason- but that's just how it is.
bonesman
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Meh... He only had 1 rec against SD, but the week before that he had 4 against NE and the week before that he had a rec TD. Clearly he's not putting up Westbrook-like reception numbers, but "non factor" might be an exaggeration.packersfan said:I drafted him thinking he would be a keeper next year but right now he's no better than sixth on my list. He runs hard but he doesn't seem very explosive. Buckhalter looks like the more explosive RB. I also remember hearing a lot of good things about Moreno's receiving skills but he's a non-factor there. McDaniels clearly trusts Buckhalter more and wants to use him more in the passing game. As a Moreno owner I'm glad he's the one getting the bulk of the carries but from an unbiased perspective I think the Broncos might want to think about giving him fewer carries and giving more to Buckhalter going forward.C-Bound said:cubbie5150 said:I own Moreno, but not CBuck...IMO, CBuck looks much more explosive, and has done more w/ fewer touches. My eyes must be deceiving me, because I don't understand the people who love Knowshon. He doesn't look like anything special to me.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
classic stuff!
War Eagle
Footballguy
So you think Baltimore will go the rest of the season without allowing another rushing TD?Or do you think Moreno won't score another rushing TD all season?I just have a hunch both are due. Matchups don't always play out as expected. The Denver O-Line has a good matchup and against the Balt D Line. Ray ray can still go sideline to sideline, but not quite as fast as he used to.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think GOOD MATCHUP has more to do with the defense than the offense. I mean, Detroit is a GOOD MATCHUP for just about any player regardless of their situation. If Dallas played Detroit, I think it would be a GOOD MATCHUP for Barber, Choice, and Felix. I don't think that being a GOOD MATCHUP takes into consideration that Buckhalter is clearly outperforming the rookie. I think it is a GOOD MATCHUP for both players.
Doesn't it state right in there somewhere that the final say is the Weekly Cheat Sheet? They are simply stating that he has the potential to do better this week than if he player against a better defense.
Doesn't it state right in there somewhere that the final say is the Weekly Cheat Sheet? They are simply stating that he has the potential to do better this week than if he player against a better defense.
packersfan
Footballguy
The TD was a great play on his part but the 4-reception game against New England came with Buckhalter out of the lineup. When Buckhalter has played, here are Moreno's reception totals:Week 1: 0Meh... He only had 1 rec against SD, but the week before that he had 4 against NE and the week before that he had a rec TD. Clearly he's not putting up Westbrook-like reception numbers, but "non factor" might be an exaggeration.packersfan said:I drafted him thinking he would be a keeper next year but right now he's no better than sixth on my list. He runs hard but he doesn't seem very explosive. Buckhalter looks like the more explosive RB. I also remember hearing a lot of good things about Moreno's receiving skills but he's a non-factor there. McDaniels clearly trusts Buckhalter more and wants to use him more in the passing game. As a Moreno owner I'm glad he's the one getting the bulk of the carries but from an unbiased perspective I think the Broncos might want to think about giving him fewer carries and giving more to Buckhalter going forward.C-Bound said:cubbie5150 said:I own Moreno, but not CBuck...IMO, CBuck looks much more explosive, and has done more w/ fewer touches. My eyes must be deceiving me, because I don't understand the people who love Knowshon. He doesn't look like anything special to me.I also own him and can keep him next year if I wish but I would like to see a big time game from him this year to feel all warm and fuzzy about it.
Week 2: 2
Week 3: 0
Week 4: 2
Week 6: 1
That's an average of 1 reception per game. I consider that being a non-factor in the passing game.
MCguidance
Footballguy
An earlier post says that they are #7 vs. the run....so you're saying it's a GOOD MATCHUP because he's not playing one of the top 6, it's just #7? I can't see how this is considered a GOOD MATCHUP even if he got every single carry.
packersfan
Footballguy
Moreno has not proven he is a strong source for TDs and the Ravens have proven they aren't a defense that gives up many rushing touchdowns. I do not think that combination bodes well for his chances to score this week. Anything can happen but on paper this matchup is not one which lends itself to a belief that he is going to score in my opinion. Because of that, I think his ceiling for this week is very low.
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BigA
Footballguy
Forget this week for Knowshon...what are we thinking long term.
Positives:
McDanials wanted him bad in first round
McDanials is one of those 'freaks' from the offense of the side of the ball.
So Denver slowly becomes a patriots, colts, saints type offense with the skill players already there.
OLine ALWAYS good.
Negatives:
Is Knowshon or can Knowshon be the back Josh wants him to be? Even if down the road he has a DWill/Stewart
type relationship with Moreno getting the best of it.
I know it's early, I know he missed all of preaseason, but I am getting tired of the full blast 3 yards and a cloud of dust.
No patience, no vision.
For AD, CJ, Turner, ray rice, mjd, ronnie, that comes natural, you don't learn that.
Maybe KNow is going to be a Curtis martin, Thomas Jones, Ryan Grant, Julius Jones type runner........thoughts?
Positives:
McDanials wanted him bad in first round
McDanials is one of those 'freaks' from the offense of the side of the ball.
So Denver slowly becomes a patriots, colts, saints type offense with the skill players already there.
OLine ALWAYS good.
Negatives:
Is Knowshon or can Knowshon be the back Josh wants him to be? Even if down the road he has a DWill/Stewart
type relationship with Moreno getting the best of it.
I know it's early, I know he missed all of preaseason, but I am getting tired of the full blast 3 yards and a cloud of dust.
No patience, no vision.
For AD, CJ, Turner, ray rice, mjd, ronnie, that comes natural, you don't learn that.
Maybe KNow is going to be a Curtis martin, Thomas Jones, Ryan Grant, Julius Jones type runner........thoughts?
moleculo
Footballguy
where do you get this from?
MCguidance
Footballguy
So if he breaks a 45 yard scamper against the Ravens he will then have patience and good vision?
His vision is fine. Patience...that is a problem. Burst is not.
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
He IS fresh off a knee injury which was serious enough to sideline him for a significant period of time. I think it is safe to assume we have not seen Moreno at 100% yet in the NFL. He has looked pretty average so far admittedly, but there is likely to be another gear available to him as the knee gets fully healthy. A good knee and some experience should make his numbers better, and they haven't been terrible as it is.
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