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Kobe Bryant is far superior to Lebron James (1 Viewer)

timschochet said:
1. Wilt

2. Jordan

3. Russell

4. Magic

5. Kareem

6. Kobe

7. LeBron

8. Shaq

9. Bird

10. Duncan
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What has Kobe done to warrant him being above Duncan? I can see the argument for being above Lebron, even though its a poor one, but at this point I don't see any argument for him being above Duncan.

 
Abraham said:
Kev4029 said:
timschochet said:
1. Wilt

2. Jordan

3. Russell

4. Magic

5. Kareem

6. Kobe

7. LeBron

8. Shaq

9. Bird

10. Duncan
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What has Kobe done to warrant him being above Duncan? I can see the argument for being above Lebron, even though its a poor one, but at this point I don't see any argument for him being above Duncan.
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Neither does anyone else that isn't a Laker fan.
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Kobe clearly leads Duncan in the rare stat: games sacrificed to make a point/while pouting

and if there was some sort of gunner matrix he'd dominate there

lack of teamwork - advantage kobe

 
B-Deep said:
Abraham said:
Kev4029 said:
timschochet said:
1. Wilt

2. Jordan

3. Russell

4. Magic

5. Kareem

6. Kobe

7. LeBron

8. Shaq

9. Bird

10. Duncan
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What has Kobe done to warrant him being above Duncan? I can see the argument for being above Lebron, even though its a poor one, but at this point I don't see any argument for him being above Duncan.
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Neither does anyone else that isn't a Laker fan.
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Kobe clearly leads Duncan in the rare stat: games sacrificed to make a point/while pouting

and if there was some sort of gunner matrix he'd dominate there

lack of teamwork - advantage kobe

rs.
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is there a player who has had more coaches playing for one team in their career? Kobe's technically had 11 over the years.

 
sports_fan said:
who has the most missed shots in nba history?
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The reason why Bryant leads the NBA in misses is because he has played in the league for 16 seasons and he will inevitable take a lot of shots. Bryant is one of the best conditioned players in the NBA and thus he has been playing for such a long time. Bryant is a natural born scorer, and there is no way to average 25 points per game in a career without taking a plethora of shots.

 
saintfool said:
sports_fan said:
who has the most missed shots in nba history?
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who would like to be known as the most prolific chucker in nba history?

antoine walker maybe. pistol pete? rick barry?
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Iverson at 13th in career FGA with a .425 FG% has to be tough to beat.

Walker is a great choice at 67th in attempts and a .414 especially considering he's 6-8.

Cousy is probably the winner at 35th in attempts with a .375, but that's a different era. Kobe is at #4 in attempts but he's at .454. There's really nothing wrong with that for a guard.

The other guards near Kobe in career attempts are Jordan (.497), Iverson (.425), Robertson (.485), Vince Carter (!) (.442). West (.474), and Ray Allen (.452).

Probably need advanced stats to really break this down but I'd say Iverson, Cousy, and Walker are your top three chuckers. FGA per game would be better but I'm tired and I need to go hump your mom.

The royal "your".

 
Frostillicus said:
Cousy is probably the winner at 35th in attempts with a .375, but that's a different era.
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Games of that era are painful to watch in a way that baseball and football aren't. No one drove to the basket, but no one could shoot either. There were never any fast-breaks because when a shot went up, the offense ran back on defense. That also meant there were no offensive rebounds, so a team would clank up a shot, defense got the board, and then ten seconds later rinse and repeat.

I watched a game on the NBA network from 1957. It took about two minutes for twenty possessions, with fifteen missed shots.

 
Frostillicus said:
saintfool said:
sports_fan said:
who has the most missed shots in nba history?
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who would like to be known as the most prolific chucker in nba history?antoine walker maybe. pistol pete? rick barry?
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Iverson at 13th in career FGA with a .425 FG% has to be tough to beat.

Walker is a great choice at 67th in attempts and a .414 especially considering he's 6-8.

Cousy is probably the winner at 35th in attempts with a .375, but that's a different era. Kobe is at #4 in attempts but he's at .454. There's really nothing wrong with that for a guard.

The other guards near Kobe in career attempts are Jordan (.497), Iverson (.425), Robertson (.485), Vince Carter (!) (.442). West (.474), and Ray Allen (.452).

Probably need advanced stats to really break this down but I'd say Iverson, Cousy, and Walker are your top three chuckers. FGA per game would be better but I'm tired and I need to go hump your mom.

The royal "your".
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So Jordan pre-wizards was over 50% from the field and in the top 5 for attempts ever.

 
the moops said:
sports_fan said:
who has the most missed shots in nba history?
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The reason why Bryant leads the NBA in misses is because he has played in the league for 16 seasons and he will inevitable take a lot of shots. Bryant is one of the best conditioned players in the NBA and thus he has been playing for such a long time. Bryant is a natural born scorer, and there is no way to average 25 points per game in a career without taking a plethora of shots.
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which makes the career of Karl Malone - all time in FT and FG attempts - all the more remarkable.

 
the moops said:
sports_fan said:
who has the most missed shots in nba history?
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The reason why Bryant leads the NBA in misses is because he has played in the league for 16 seasons and he will inevitable take a lot of shots. Bryant is one of the best conditioned players in the NBA and thus he has been playing for such a long time. Bryant is a natural born scorer, and there is no way to average 25 points per game in a career without taking a plethora of shots.
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He's only fourth in career field goal attempts and seventh in field goals made.

 
My first foray into the realm now known as advanced stats was when I created the "Black Hole Rating" to quantify chucking.

Named for a guy on my AAU team we nicknamed "The Black Hole" because when you passed the ball to him, you never saw it again, the BHR was FGA + FTA/2 + TO - AST. It's similar to the Usage Rate, only BHR was less scientific and more mean-spirited.

The inspiration for BHR was Cedric Ceballos. Ced once had two 40-point games less than a week apart where he didn't have an assist in either one of them. A few nights later, Rice was 8-for-22 from the field without an assist, and the BHR went live.

As you would probably guess, BHR was dominated by SG/SF gunners lacking overall ball skills, and good Cs playing against bad Cs. Glenn Robinson chucked up some big BHRs. Glen Rice once scored 56 points without an assist. Lamond Murray was an underrated BHR because he committed a ton of turnovers. Nique, Spree, Steve Smith, plus to occasional Todd Day or Isaiah Rider chucking.

Shaq, Hakeem, and Admiral would sometimes have stat lines in the 15-for-25 with 1 dish and 4 TOs neighborhood when they went up against guys like Elmore Spencer and Eric Montross.

Ewing had a brutal Finals game were he was like 9-for-27 with a few turnovers and no dimes.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
My first foray into the realm now known as advanced stats was when I created the "Black Hole Rating" to quantify chucking.

Named for a guy on my AAU team we nicknamed "The Black Hole" because when you passed the ball to him, you never saw it again, the BHR was FGA + FTA/2 + TO - AST. It's similar to the Usage Rate, only BHR was less scientific and more mean-spirited.

The inspiration for BHR was Cedric Ceballos. Ced once had two 40-point games less than a week apart where he didn't have an assist in either one of them. A few nights later, Rice was 8-for-22 from the field without an assist, and the BHR went live.

As you would probably guess, BHR was dominated by SG/SF gunners lacking overall ball skills, and good Cs playing against bad Cs. Glenn Robinson chucked up some big BHRs. Glen Rice once scored 56 points without an assist. Lamond Murray was an underrated BHR because he committed a ton of turnovers. Nique, Spree, Steve Smith, plus to occasional Todd Day or Isaiah Rider chucking.

Shaq, Hakeem, and Admiral would sometimes have stat lines in the 15-for-25 with 1 dish and 4 TOs neighborhood when they went up against guys like Elmore Spencer and Eric Montross.

Ewing had a brutal Finals game were he was like 9-for-27 with a few turnovers and no dimes.
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Melo's 62 point game last year must have been off the charts. 35FGA, 10FTA and 0 assists.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
My first foray into the realm now known as advanced stats was when I created the "Black Hole Rating" to quantify chucking.

Named for a guy on my AAU team we nicknamed "The Black Hole" because when you passed the ball to him, you never saw it again, the BHR was FGA + FTA/2 + TO - AST. It's similar to the Usage Rate, only BHR was less scientific and more mean-spirited.

The inspiration for BHR was Cedric Ceballos. Ced once had two 40-point games less than a week apart where he didn't have an assist in either one of them. A few nights later, Rice was 8-for-22 from the field without an assist, and the BHR went live.

As you would probably guess, BHR was dominated by SG/SF gunners lacking overall ball skills, and good Cs playing against bad Cs. Glenn Robinson chucked up some big BHRs. Glen Rice once scored 56 points without an assist. Lamond Murray was an underrated BHR because he committed a ton of turnovers. Nique, Spree, Steve Smith, plus to occasional Todd Day or Isaiah Rider chucking.

Shaq, Hakeem, and Admiral would sometimes have stat lines in the 15-for-25 with 1 dish and 4 TOs neighborhood when they went up against guys like Elmore Spencer and Eric Montross.

Ewing had a brutal Finals game were he was like 9-for-27 with a few turnovers and no dimes.
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Melo's 62 point game last year must have been off the charts. 35FGA, 10FTA and 0 assists.
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On the plus side, it's tougher to turn the ball over very often when you never give it up. :thumbup:

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
That Melo game is precisely the type of stat line the BHR was intended to highlight.

"The GROUND doesn't touch the ball as much as you do."
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Dale Ellis comes close to the title:

39fga + 17fta/2 + 5to - 0ast = 52.5

But of course, Kobe is king with regards to any ballhog metric:

46fga + 20fta/2 + 2to - 2ast = 56

 
tommyGunZ said:


5 rings, two gold medals, and a spot on the All Time NBA top 10.



Keep the hate up! :bye:
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You would think by now people would figure out that Kobe dines on the hate and drinks the haters' tears. "Oh, you don't like me? Zero ####s given. Zero-point-zero ####s given."No shtick: I think Kobe would make a fantastic GM if that's what interests him after he's done playing. He sees the game at a level few can see, and he has enough general intelligence to process analytics and contract matters.

IMO the daily grind of coaching players of varying focus and motivation would drive him nuts, but that's not necessarily a criticism. Ask Bird or Magic what it take to get either of them to run a bench again.

But seriously, if the Lakers aren't thinking of Kobe as a potential future GM, they should be.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
tommyGunZ said:
5 rings, two gold medals, and a spot on the All Time NBA top 10.



Keep the hate up! :bye:
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You would think by now people would figure out that Kobe dines on the hate and drinks the haters' tears. "Oh, you don't like me? Zero ####s given. Zero-point-zero ####s given."No shtick: I think Kobe would make a fantastic GM if that's what interests him after he's done playing. He sees the game at a level few can see, and he has enough general intelligence to process analytics and contract matters.

IMO the daily grind of coaching players of varying focus and motivation would drive him nuts, but that's not necessarily a criticism. Ask Bird or Magic what it take to get either of them to run a bench again.

But seriously, if the Lakers aren't thinking of Kobe as a potential future GM, they should be.
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:o

 
the moops said:
sports_fan said:
who has the most missed shots in nba history?
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The reason why Bryant leads the NBA in misses is because he has played in the league for 16 seasons and he will inevitable take a lot of shots. Bryant is one of the best conditioned players in the NBA and thus he has been playing for such a long time. Bryant is a natural born scorer, and there is no way to average 25 points per game in a career without taking a plethora of shots.
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They aren't misses they are KobepassestmAnyone putting a Kobepasstm back in should result in Kobe being credited with an assist and a miss being deducted.

/TGunz

 
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