Kurt Warner (1 Viewer)

[Jayrod]

I have Warner as my QB1 in a 12 team league and have thought about trying to upgrade (my backup is McNair). Our QB's get 6pt/TD, & 1pt/50yds (1/15 rush & 1/10 rec).

My question is, say Warner stays healthy all year (I know, a big if), what kind of year will he have? I'm thinking he could be a top 5 QB if he plays every game. They are so stacked at WR & now with Edge he should be able to tear it up week in and week out. I am pretty solid all the way around and could make a move if I wanted to, but I'm actually afraid to because I'm afraid Warner might go off. Especially early in the season. They play the 49ers in week 1 and I definitely don't want to trade him before that game. Am I just being too hopeful or does anyone else see him having a great full season?

 

[RBM]

Very hard to imagine him playing a full season sans injury. Their o-line isnt exactly stellar and he cant move so he will take some abuse

 

[Jayrod]

Very hard to imagine him playing a full season sans injury. Their o-line isnt exactly stellar and he cant move so he will take some abuse

I know their O-line is suspect, but Denny knows all that and will try to keep Kurt healthy. Edge will be very helpful as he is a very good blocker and will make defenses play more honest. I'm not saying there isn't a high risk he gets hurt, but what if he doesn't?

 

[wannabee]

I see him tearing it up before being injured.

 

[Texican]

I see him tearing it up before being injured.

 

[Jayrod]

I see him tearing it up before being injured.

How long until that happens? And how many games will he get in all together? If it's 12 or 13 I would be happy. If it's more like 8 games, then I hope McNair has a good year.

 

[Riflemen]

Hard to believe that Warner won't be a top QB this year with his weapons and schedule barring injury. That's the rub of course. In a league where you can get more than 2 QB's I'd draft Warner in the 6-8th round range and almost immediately back him up with a Plummer/Roethlisberg/Vick type guy who could take over if injury strikes. In the final rounds Leinart is a must so expect to reach for him before his ADP.

If Warner makes it through I expect him to toss around 27 td's with over 3700 yards

 

[wannabee]

I see him tearing it up before being injured.

How long until that happens? And how many games will he get in all together? If it's 12 or 13 I would be happy. If it's more like 8 games, then I hope McNair has a good year.

I see Warner as a top QB when healthy with those weapons. I mean like a top 2 or 3 QB. But, just judging by history and how he has taken some hits in preseason, it is impossible to judge.I would say that Warner is a must start as long as he is healthy. I do think that the Warner/Leinart combo will win people championships this year. They are relatively cheap, have a high upside, and have a late bye week, thus allowing you to keep only Warner and Leinart until week 8 and locate another backup QB to cover the bye.

 

[Jayrod]

Hard to believe that Warner won't be a top QB this year with his weapons and schedule barring injury. That's the rub of course. In a league where you can get more than 2 QB's I'd draft Warner in the 6-8th round range and almost immediately back him up with a Plummer/Roethlisberg/Vick type guy who could take over if injury strikes. In the final rounds Leinart is a must so expect to reach for him before his ADP.

If Warner makes it through I expect him to toss around 27 td's with over 3700 yards

I planned to do it, but some guy took Leinert in the 12th (our draft was 14), without any other backup. He since picked up Rivers off of the waiver wire. The best part is he has Delhomme and CAR has the same bye week as ARI. Anyway, I basically am not going to give in to a trade with this guy if Warner goes down because I know him and he'll try to screw me. I plan to ride out McNair or find a mid-season surprise on the waiver wire. But man do I hope Warner plays all 16 games. If so, all I have to say is "Championship".

 

[Warpig]

Very hard to imagine him playing a full season sans injury. Their o-line isnt exactly stellar and he cant move so he will take some abuse

I know their O-line is suspect, but Denny knows all that and will try to keep Kurt healthy. Edge will be very helpful as he is a very good blocker and will make defenses play more honest. I'm not saying there isn't a high risk he gets hurt, but what if he doesn't?

Denny also knew their O-line was horrid last year but didn't try to hard to make it better. Same for this year. He seems to think you don't need an O-line when your QB should be releasing within 1.5 seconds. Hell, even poor Edge might endure a serious injury trying to block a DT on a bullrush after plowing through one of their O-linemen.I don't like predicting injury, but since they really didn't improve their o-line, I give Warner 4 - 5 games tops.

 

[Jayrod]

Denny also knew their O-line was horrid last year but didn't try to hard to make it better. Same for this year. He seems to think you don't need an O-line when your QB should be releasing within 1.5 seconds. Hell, even poor Edge might endure a serious injury trying to block a DT on a bullrush after plowing through one of their O-linemen.

I don't like predicting injury, but since they really didn't improve their o-line, I give Warner 4 - 5 games tops.

Say it ain't so, Warpig, say it ain't so.

 

[WampusCat43]

I'm targetting him in both my leagues - there's just too much potential for the spot he can be drafted. But I'm getting a competent backup as well as Leinart. Warner has a penchant for getting gunshy once he gets hit a few times. That's when the fumbles start.

 

[Jayrod]

I'm targetting him in both my leagues - there's just too much potential for the spot he can be drafted. But I'm getting a competent backup as well as Leinart. Warner has a penchant for getting gunshy once he gets hit a few times. That's when the fumbles start.

I did get him as the 14th QB taken.

 

[moleculo]

Just drafted Warner to backup Plummer.

That's right - let me repeat so it sinks in - backup for Plummer.

Very good QBBC combo here, btw.

 

[None_More_Black]

Just drafted Warner to backup Plummer.That's right - let me repeat so it sinks in - backup for Plummer. Very good QBBC combo here, btw.

Do you like how there schedule matches up or just like both qbs? Thinking about going with this combo.

 

[Scruff Mcgruff]

I'm going with Warner, McNabb and Vick as my QBs.

Until Warner goes down, he'll probably be the guy more often than not.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Warner is a top 12 QB until he gets hurt, sometime in the week 5-8 range. Leinart takes the job and we don't see Warner again, because Arizona will be out of playoff contention and Leinart will not be overwhelmed.

 

[moleculo]

Just drafted Warner to backup Plummer.

That's right - let me repeat so it sinks in - backup for Plummer.

Very good QBBC combo here, btw.

Do you like how there schedule matches up or just like both qbs? Thinking about going with this combo.

both, actually. Drafted Plummer first, watch Warner fall, looked at FBG SOS schedule, and saw a good fit.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I have Warner as my QB1 in a 12 team league and have thought about trying to upgrade (my backup is McNair).

You don't need to upgrade Warner. The weeks Warner plays, against the schedule the Cardinals have, you have to expect him to put up excellent numbers. The question then becomes how many weeks will he miss? The only thing you can do with Warner as your starter is make certain you have a backup who can take over for 3-4 weeks at a time if necessary. I think McNair can be that guy for you. I think he was a huge value pick in every league I drafted in this season. While the Ravens may think run first, Mason, Heap, and Clayton are going to make McNair a productive QB. If you aren't comfortable with your QB situation, giving up a little less to trade McNair for a better backup would be the move, IMO.

 

[Todem]

I see him tearing it up before being injured.

How long until that happens? And how many games will he get in all together? If it's 12 or 13 I would be happy. If it's more like 8 games, then I hope McNair has a good year.

I see Warner as a top QB when healthy with those weapons. I mean like a top 2 or 3 QB. But, just judging by history and how he has taken some hits in preseason, it is impossible to judge.I would say that Warner is a must start as long as he is healthy. I do think that the Warner/Leinart combo will win people championships this year. They are relatively cheap, have a high upside, and have a late bye week, thus allowing you to keep only Warner and Leinart until week 8 and locate another backup QB to cover the bye.

Do you really believe Leinart (whom I like a lot) can just step in as a green rookie with some training camp missed and be as effective as Warner? I believe he will not have the same success this year as Warner. I know Rothlisberger came in as a rook and had great success but he had a solid proven running game and a very conservative offense. The Cards have Edge but we know that line is total garbage so the running game will be average this season (sorry Edge owners ).Leinart will have far more pressure on him then Big Ben did.On the other hand Warner is a great value this season and hopefully he can play all 16 games. If he does top 3 numbers are in store.

 

[Woz]

Given the outstanding receivers in Arizona, I think the production from the ARI QB will be top 7 at least. However, everyone knows that Warner's health is always an issue, especially given the weak O-line. This is exactly why I took Leinart in the 13th round of my last draft (grabbed Warner in the 8th). I overpaid, but I think it's absolutely necessary to get Leinart if you draft Warner. The Arizona QB position will produce starter numbers at worse this year.

ETA: I always drafted Brooks and Favre for insurance. Figure both will be passing a lot as they trail in most games.

 

[Pnishthm]

I see him tearing it up before being injured.

How long until that happens? And how many games will he get in all together? If it's 12 or 13 I would be happy. If it's more like 8 games, then I hope McNair has a good year.

I see Warner as a top QB when healthy with those weapons. I mean like a top 2 or 3 QB. But, just judging by history and how he has taken some hits in preseason, it is impossible to judge.I would say that Warner is a must start as long as he is healthy. I do think that the Warner/Leinart combo will win people championships this year. They are relatively cheap, have a high upside, and have a late bye week, thus allowing you to keep only Warner and Leinart until week 8 and locate another backup QB to cover the bye.

Do you really believe Leinart (whom I like a lot) can just step in as a green rookie with some training camp missed and be as effective as Warner? I believe he will not have the same success this year as Warner. I know Rothlisberger came in as a rook and had great success but he had a solid proven running game and a very conservative offense. The Cards have Edge but we know that line is total garbage so the running game will be average this season (sorry Edge owners ).Leinart will have far more pressure on him then Big Ben did.On the other hand Warner is a great value this season and hopefully he can play all 16 games. If he does top 3 numbers are in store.

This is well stated all around. However, if Warner can hang in there for at least half a season, Leinart could get enough practice reps in to be able to step right in and be productive.

 

[sartre]

I was happy to draft him a year ago, for the same positives mentioned in this thread. Thought he would be a steal. But even before he was hurt, he put up poor to mediocre numbers. He was even nearly benched for McCown, if I recall correctly.

Now the RB situation has been vastly upgraded, and Warner is being taken as QB1 by some folks? I'm not knocking anyone, just curious where this optimism is coming from when his outlook was just as good last year, and he was a disappointment.

 

[walkwithme]

I was lucky enough to get McNabb in the 5th and I believe Warner in the 10th. Both with the same bye week in a ten team league that has bonus points for 300yds. I had to select him even though him and McNabb have the same week but both are top ten potential for the games they play in.

 

[BigSeph]

I drafted Matt Leinhart late in my draft and didn't even have Warner.

That's how confident I am that:

a) Kurt Warner will get hurt this year

b) Leinhart will put up numbers better than Warner is capable of with those WRs.

I know Green has said repeatedly that Warner is the guy this year, and he hopes Leinhart doesn't have to take a snap. But it's going to get uncomfortable in AZ if the Cards get off to a slow start, or if Warner gets nicked up for a couple weeks and Leinhart plays well.

Roethlisberger wasn't supposed to have much of a shot at playing his rookie year, but he was behind a crustbucket QB that (surprise) got hurt, Ben stepped in and played well enough to be named the starter.

I see a similar situation here.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I was happy to draft him a year ago, for the same positives mentioned in this thread. Thought he would be a steal. But even before he was hurt, he put up poor to mediocre numbers. He was even nearly benched for McCown, if I recall correctly.Now the RB situation has been vastly upgraded, and Warner is being taken as QB1 by some folks? I'm not knocking anyone, just curious where this optimism is coming from when his outlook was just as good last year, and he was a disappointment.

I'd take him as a QB1 if I planned to draft my first QB that late. You almost have to follow that up quickly with a QB2, but if you can get quality at the other positions early, it's not out of the question. Personally, I've been targeting Delhomme just a little earlier and feeling great about getting him as a value pick.But the things to like, in no particular order:1. The threat of a running game is more than they had last season, even if it is still sub-par. Teams were actually playing the pass every down against the Cards last season. They can't do that now. 5. The OL will be improved. 2. The WR will be that much better3. James catches the ball well out of the backfield and knows what to do with it once he does catch it.6. Their schedule is ridiculous4. You can still get him late in the draft.7. He's one of the few late-round QBs you can point to and say, "I know he'll start and he could be a top 5 producer".

 

[wannabee]

I see him tearing it up before being injured.

How long until that happens? And how many games will he get in all together? If it's 12 or 13 I would be happy. If it's more like 8 games, then I hope McNair has a good year.

I see Warner as a top QB when healthy with those weapons. I mean like a top 2 or 3 QB. But, just judging by history and how he has taken some hits in preseason, it is impossible to judge.I would say that Warner is a must start as long as he is healthy. I do think that the Warner/Leinart combo will win people championships this year. They are relatively cheap, have a high upside, and have a late bye week, thus allowing you to keep only Warner and Leinart until week 8 and locate another backup QB to cover the bye.

Do you really believe Leinart (whom I like a lot) can just step in as a green rookie with some training camp missed and be as effective as Warner? I believe he will not have the same success this year as Warner. I know Rothlisberger came in as a rook and had great success but he had a solid proven running game and a very conservative offense. The Cards have Edge but we know that line is total garbage so the running game will be average this season (sorry Edge owners ).Leinart will have far more pressure on him then Big Ben did.On the other hand Warner is a great value this season and hopefully he can play all 16 games. If he does top 3 numbers are in store.

My point is that Leinart, in that offense, could easily outproduce whomever you would have chosen as your backup QB. With the bye week of 9, there will be plenty of time to find a one week replacement.But, back to Leinart. I do not think it is a stretch to see him get 250 yds and 1.5 TDs a game. I have Warner as outproducing this production. I have Wardner for 2 TDs/game. But, assuming Warner for 8 games at 250 yds and 2 TDs per game and Leianrt at 250 yds and 1.5 TDs per game (which is where I project each for production/game), you would come up with 4000 and 28 TDs conmbined. I know that sounds outrageous and much does rely on Boldin and Fitz staying healthy. But, I suspect Edge will help the pass game quite a bit with his blocking and his receiving.

 

[Maximus*]

I was happy to draft him a year ago, for the same positives mentioned in this thread. Thought he would be a steal. But even before he was hurt, he put up poor to mediocre numbers. He was even nearly benched for McCown, if I recall correctly.Now the RB situation has been vastly upgraded, and Warner is being taken as QB1 by some folks? I'm not knocking anyone, just curious where this optimism is coming from when his outlook was just as good last year, and he was a disappointment.

I'd take him as a QB1 if I planned to draft my first QB that late. You almost have to follow that up quickly with a QB2, but if you can get quality at the other positions early, it's not out of the question. Personally, I've been targeting Delhomme just a little earlier and feeling great about getting him as a value pick.But the things to like, in no particular order:1. The threat of a running game is more than they had last season, even if it is still sub-par. Teams were actually playing the pass every down against the Cards last season. They can't do that now. 5. The OL will be improved. 2. The WR will be that much better3. James catches the ball well out of the backfield and knows what to do with it once he does catch it.6. Their schedule is ridiculous4. You can still get him late in the draft.7. He's one of the few late-round QBs you can point to and say, "I know he'll start and he could be a top 5 producer".

Excellent bullet points and couldn't agree more as to the reasons why there might be a bit more substance to the optimism going on here with regards to Warner. I kept Warner for $10 in my big $$ auction held this past Saturday and by doing so I was locking myself in to buying Leinert sometime during the auction as well as buying another QB....a guy I could feel comfortable in putting into my starting lineup at anytime. Thankfully I accomplished those goals as I bought Leinert for $6(someone bid me up a bit) and I bought Plummer for $8.This is and absolutaly has to be the strategy if one wants to own Warner and be able to take advantage of what likely will be a Top 5 overall passing offense....get Leinert and get a Plummer or a Delhomme type. You might have to pay a bit more than you'd like or take a solid #2 QB like a Plummer a bit earlier than you'd like but there is almost no downside to doing it or at least I don't see any.

 

[moleculo]

I drafted Matt Leinhart late in my draft and didn't even have Warner.That's how confident I am that:a) Kurt Warner will get hurt this yearb) Leinhart will put up numbers better than Warner is capable of with those WRs.I know Green has said repeatedly that Warner is the guy this year, and he hopes Leinhart doesn't have to take a snap. But it's going to get uncomfortable in AZ if the Cards get off to a slow start, or if Warner gets nicked up for a couple weeks and Leinhart plays well.Roethlisberger wasn't supposed to have much of a shot at playing his rookie year, but he was behind a crustbucket QB that (surprise) got hurt, Ben stepped in and played well enough to be named the starter.I see a similar situation here.

I think this is ludicrous. Leinart may be good, but he is a rookie. Rookie QB's do not tear up the league. Rookie QB's throw more ints than TD's. Rookie QB's struggle when opposing D's game plan to put pressure on them. Even the great Peyton Manning threw more ints than TD's, on a team with Marshall Faulk and Marvin Harrison.Rothlisburger had the luxury of playing in an extremely lopsided run first team with a solid D. Leinart does not have that luxury.Leinart should not be rostered unless it's a 16 team (or bigger) league, or dynasty.

 

[-OZ-]

I have Warner as my QB1 in a 12 team league and have thought about trying to upgrade (my backup is McNair). Our QB's get 6pt/TD, & 1pt/50yds (1/15 rush & 1/10 rec).My question is, say Warner stays healthy all year (I know, a big if), what kind of year will he have? I'm thinking he could be a top 5 QB if he plays every game. They are so stacked at WR & now with Edge he should be able to tear it up week in and week out. I am pretty solid all the way around and could make a move if I wanted to, but I'm actually afraid to because I'm afraid Warner might go off. Especially early in the season. They play the 49ers in week 1 and I definitely don't want to trade him before that game. Am I just being too hopeful or does anyone else see him having a great full season?

From back in March:

9. Warner

I stand by that, if he plays all year, or on a PPG basis.

 

[BigSeph]

I'm in a 16-team league.

Culpepper passed for almost 4k yards and 33 TDs after sitting a year on the pine. Dennis Green has a very QB-friendly system, and for Leinhart to miss so much time due to his holdout and still come in and play the way he did, that tells me a lot about his ability to play at the NFL level. Even if it's one half of a preseason game. I took Roethlisberger his rookie year and I knew Maddox was a crustbucket waiting to fall apart. I took Leinhart this year and I know Warner is a crustbucket waiting to fall apart. I don't wish it on the guy, but his history and his age and his offensive line almost ensure it.

Kurt Warner hasn't played in all 16 games since what, 2001?

And if anybody watched Kurt Warner play the last few years, his WRs catch balls behind/below/above them all the time. He's not hitting anybody in stride, the passes are so bad his WRs are having to stop their route and snag his bad passes... this leaves DBs vulnerable because they play the route more often than not and it's impossible to go back through the WR to get to the poorly thrown ball. Edge will help Warner's stats some because Warner traditionally craps down his leg if he feels the slightest pass rush and dumps it off, +1 completion for his statline. But that doesn't make him an accurate passer even with a 60%+ completion percentage.

Fitz and Boldin make Warner look good. Not the other way around.

Have fun drafting the guy, but I don't expect him to play more than 10 games and I've seen enough to know that he's as capable of 5 turnover games as he is 3 TD games. The guy had 11 TDs in 10 games last year, I certainly don't think the addition of Edge is worth another TD per game.

I've avoided Warner since 2001 and it's worked out fine for me.

How many guys have passed for 98TDs their first 3 years as a starter, then in the next 4 years combined put up 21 total TDs?

He isn't getting better that's for sure...

 

[sartre]

I was happy to draft him a year ago, for the same positives mentioned in this thread. Thought he would be a steal. But even before he was hurt, he put up poor to mediocre numbers. He was even nearly benched for McCown, if I recall correctly.Now the RB situation has been vastly upgraded, and Warner is being taken as QB1 by some folks? I'm not knocking anyone, just curious where this optimism is coming from when his outlook was just as good last year, and he was a disappointment.

I'd take him as a QB1 if I planned to draft my first QB that late. You almost have to follow that up quickly with a QB2, but if you can get quality at the other positions early, it's not out of the question. Personally, I've been targeting Delhomme just a little earlier and feeling great about getting him as a value pick.But the things to like, in no particular order:1. The threat of a running game is more than they had last season, even if it is still sub-par. Teams were actually playing the pass every down against the Cards last season. They can't do that now. 5. The OL will be improved. 2. The WR will be that much better3. James catches the ball well out of the backfield and knows what to do with it once he does catch it.6. Their schedule is ridiculous4. You can still get him late in the draft.7. He's one of the few late-round QBs you can point to and say, "I know he'll start and he could be a top 5 producer".

Again, most of your points were valid last year as well. Improved Oline, top caliber receivers, Denny Green loving to air it out, low ADP, etc. I pointed to him and said "I know he'll start and he could be a top 5 producer". The result? Warner threw more than one touchdown only twice last year. In fact, he's thrown for more than one TD only three times since 2001.This year he seems to be going a couple rounds ahead of where he did last year, so his price is higher.Yet the only significant change IMO is the upgrade to the running game. And while that may keep D's slightly more honest, it could also mean that more rushing and fewer passing plays in the red zone and in general.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I was happy to draft him a year ago, for the same positives mentioned in this thread. Thought he would be a steal. But even before he was hurt, he put up poor to mediocre numbers. He was even nearly benched for McCown, if I recall correctly.Now the RB situation has been vastly upgraded, and Warner is being taken as QB1 by some folks? I'm not knocking anyone, just curious where this optimism is coming from when his outlook was just as good last year, and he was a disappointment.

I'd take him as a QB1 if I planned to draft my first QB that late. You almost have to follow that up quickly with a QB2, but if you can get quality at the other positions early, it's not out of the question. Personally, I've been targeting Delhomme just a little earlier and feeling great about getting him as a value pick.But the things to like, in no particular order:1. The threat of a running game is more than they had last season, even if it is still sub-par. Teams were actually playing the pass every down against the Cards last season. They can't do that now. 5. The OL will be improved. 2. The WR will be that much better3. James catches the ball well out of the backfield and knows what to do with it once he does catch it.6. Their schedule is ridiculous4. You can still get him late in the draft.7. He's one of the few late-round QBs you can point to and say, "I know he'll start and he could be a top 5 producer".

Again, most of your points were valid last year as well. Improved Oline, top caliber receivers, Denny Green loving to air it out, low ADP, etc. I pointed to him and said "I know he'll start and he could be a top 5 producer". The result? Warner threw more than one touchdown only twice last year. In fact, he's thrown for more than one TD only three times since 2001.This year he seems to be going a couple rounds ahead of where he did last year, so his price is higher.Yet the only significant change IMO is the upgrade to the running game. And while that may keep D's slightly more honest, it could also mean that more rushing and fewer passing plays in the red zone and in general.

I can't imagine people thinking they had an improved O-Line last year. In fact, from the second Pete Kendall was sent packing, I thought it was pretty obvious their line was going to be much worse. And the difference Steve Loney is going to make as the O-line coach is immeasurable, as well. I was on here last season arguing with the idiots who predicted playoffs for the Cardinals, telling them about the O-line problems, the lack of depth at LB, the secondary issues. And while I still don't think they're a playoff calibre team, I do see more consistent performances from this offense. And that's what they lacked last season was consistency.