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LA DODGERS 2009 THREAD (1 Viewer)

This is just awful. I really think they're going to lose the division. I just knew they would lose last night, and they'll lose tonight too.

You can see it them; they have no idea what to do and they are totally dejected.

I don't see how they can snap-back...

In the end, Manny has killed them; or I would at least say that he's been the biggest part of this. What an ironic twist of fate.

 
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll said:
This is just awful. I really think they're going to lose the division. I just knew they would lose last night, and they'll lose tonight too. You can see it them; they have no idea what to do and they are totally dejected.I don't see how they can snap-back...In the end, Manny has killed them; or I would at least say that he's been the biggest part of this. What an ironic twist of fate.
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Manny is whiffing on fastballs in the middle of the strike zone. Last night was awful. I can't think of a time when I wouldn't have wanted Manny up in the clutch like he was in 7th inning, but I wished it had been anyone else at that point. So ticked at how they are basically undoing a season which had so much good in it.
 
I have not been betting much, but if I was, I would put a bunch on the Rockies tonight. One of those plays where if your team wins, good, but if they continue like this, well, money can ease the pain. :whoosh:

 
Did you guys see, was it in the post-game show?, where this would be one of the bigger collapses, ever. Something like 15 1/2 games they made up over a fairly short time period. Since they're still going to the playoffs, maybe it doesn't constitute a total collapse like some of the others, but if it happens, might as well be.

 
Kershaw had his nasty stuff tonight. Looks like he is going to be the No. 2 starter after Wolf in the playoffs. Wow, that home-plate umpire was awful. And it was the same one who made the bad call at first against Kemp the previous night. His strike call against Martin was the worst strike call I've ever seen. Someone needs to put that on youtube. I think the Dodgers would have a better chance in the playoffs if they bench Manny for Juan Pierre.

 
Gadfly said:
Kershaw had his nasty stuff tonight. Looks like he is going to be the No. 2 starter after Wolf in the playoffs. Wow, that home-plate umpire was awful. And it was the same one who made the bad call at first against Kemp the previous night. His strike call against Martin was the worst strike call I've ever seen. Someone needs to put that on youtube. I think the Dodgers would have a better chance in the playoffs if they bench Manny for Juan Pierre.
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I completely agree with this. Great to see Kershaw dealing the way he did. Hopefully now the Dodgers can exhale and play baseball like they did for much of the season. It sucks that Kuroda got hurt - he was pitching well up until his injury and was good in the playoffs last season.Dodgers-Cards to start things off. My second-most despised team in the NL coming to town. Hope we play better and they keep playing the way they have been.

 
Well, good, I'm glad I was wrong. Although De la Rosa or whatever getting hurt was a pretty big break.

I don't feel confident about game 1, but I get the feeling Kershaw shows up again on Thursday, a game I'll be at. Fired up, go Blue!

 
I was really happy to see Pierre get two stolen bases today for 30 on the season. He's the only guy who managed to reach a milestone stat in the final games of those who had a chance. Pierre finished with 30 stolen bases, 27 walks and just 27 strikeouts. He struck out just once every 14 at bats. And Pierre finished with just nine fewer hits and two fewer extra-base hits than Russell Martin, in 125 fewer at-bats.

 
Gadfly said:
Kershaw had his nasty stuff tonight. Looks like he is going to be the No. 2 starter after Wolf in the playoffs. Wow, that home-plate umpire was awful. And it was the same one who made the bad call at first against Kemp the previous night. His strike call against Martin was the worst strike call I've ever seen. Someone needs to put that on youtube. I think the Dodgers would have a better chance in the playoffs if they bench Manny for Juan Pierre.
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Doug Eddings. Same guy that blew that call in the Angels - White Sox playoff series in '05. This guy appears to be one of the worst umpire in the major leagues.
 
Will the Dodgers resign a "drug-free Manny? Manny off the juice is like any 37 year old outfielder..not very good.

 
God bless Vin Scully and Vicente Padilla. I was at the UCLA-Oregon game yesterday and was fuming about their pathetic performance afterward. I got in the car, turned on 790 and listened to the radio broadcast of Padilla's gem. Just hearing Vin's smooth tones helped lower my blood pressure immediately and by the time I got back, it was almost as if the Bruin game had never happened. He's such a treasure.

Great win yesterday - they had the Cards down and didn't let them up at all. Nice to see Manny hitting in the clutch as well. I liked the story Rick Monday related during the broadcast about Furcal telling/semi-joking with Manny, "I'm tired of seeing you hit the ball in the infield. Hit the ball like a man." :lmao: Got a good laugh after hearing that.

 
LOS ANGELES, CBS Sports -- Joe Torre says he doesn't plan to manage the Los Angeles Dodgers after his contract expires. "I have one year on my contract and I don't anticipate it being more than that," he said Tuesday, two days before the Dodgers open the NLCS against Philadelphia.However, he noted, "I've said that before and my wife doesn't believe me at all."The 69-year-old manager is in the middle of a three-year deal he signed nearly two years ago after 12 seasons guiding the New York Yankees. The Dodgers are 179-145 with two consecutive NL West titles under Torre.His 83 postseason victories are more than any other manager in major league history, and his 14 consecutive playoff appearances as a manager are tied with Atlanta's Bobby Cox (1991-2005).General manager Ned Colletti said Tuesday that he'll sit down with Torre to discuss his future after the season ends.If the Dodgers were to advance to their first World Series since 1988, Torre said he doesn't think he'll walk away a year early."It's fun and if we were fortunate enough to win the World Series, it would make that next year so much sweeter," he said.Torre won four World Series titles with the Yankees, the last in 2000."I never get tired of this stuff, that's one thing I found out," he said. "You think once you win it, you say, 'OK, I got it, I don't need to do this anymore,' but you do. You need to do it."
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The Kansas Comet said:
God bless Vin Scully and Vicente Padilla. I was at the UCLA-Oregon game yesterday and was fuming about their pathetic performance afterward. I got in the car, turned on 790 and listened to the radio broadcast of Padilla's gem. Just hearing Vin's smooth tones helped lower my blood pressure immediately and by the time I got back, it was almost as if the Bruin game had never happened. He's such a treasure.Great win yesterday - they had the Cards down and didn't let them up at all. Nice to see Manny hitting in the clutch as well. I liked the story Rick Monday related during the broadcast about Furcal telling/semi-joking with Manny, "I'm tired of seeing you hit the ball in the infield. Hit the ball like a man." :towelwave: Got a good laugh after hearing that.
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Scully makes this whole experience sweeter to me, and not just because I get to hear his voice. I know he's getting ready to retire, and it's cool to think that he's going out with a good team to call, especially after they've been mediocre for so long.
 
LOS ANGELES -- A lawyer for Dodgers CEO Jamie McCourt says she has been fired after her marital separation from the team's owner.Attorney Dennis Wasser says his client learned Thursday she was no longer employed by the Dodgers, who ended their season Wednesday with a National League championship series loss to the Philadelphia Phillies.McCourt and team owner Frank McCourt separated earlier this month.Wasser says Jamie McCourt is disappointed and saddened by her termination. He says she'll address her firing in court.Jamie McCourt was the highest-ranking woman in Major League Baseball.
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Interesting. You know she's gonna win this too which could really be a huge mess for the franchise. I guess she gets Manny, he gets Kemp.
 
Maroney=Sped said:
The Kansas Comet said:
Here's a step in the right direction: One McCourt down, one to go

Hopefully the divorce moves them to have the sell the team to an owner I can stand.
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This is going to be one entertaining offseason for the Dodgers, that's for sure.
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It's clear that some shake-up is needed. Some thoughts:- Schmidt's contract is off the books. Thank God Tommy.

- Loney seems fine here, even without the power game this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved though.

- I don't think Hudson is re-signed. Without looking, I think Belliard's contract runs through next year??

- I don't know what to make of Raffy. He showed sign late, but he pretty much sucked all year. Maybe if he swung harder...

- Blake is on the hook, so he's here.

- Either is good, minus the left-handed pitching issues.

- Matt Kemp has taken some abuse on here for his plate discipline, but I really like him. Plus, he's great in CF.

- Manny looked lost most times. He was better in his first trimester.

- Russell Martin just grounded out again.

- I think Kershaw will be dominant if he learns to not overthrow when he gets in trouble.

- I honestly don't know what to think about Billingsley- total enigma to me.

- I like Kuroda, but the beaning set him back and I don't know how much he has left.

- Randy Wolf pitched well this year.

- Broxton- No comment other than I think he might be better suited for a set-up role- on another team.

####, that's all I can muster up right now. The end of this season hurt.

 
Mr. Brownstone said:
Maroney=Sped said:
The Kansas Comet said:
Here's a step in the right direction: One McCourt down, one to go

Hopefully the divorce moves them to have the sell the team to an owner I can stand.
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This is going to be one entertaining offseason for the Dodgers, that's for sure.
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It's clear that some shake-up is needed. Some thoughts:- Schmidt's contract is off the books. Thank God Tommy. Yup, he's done.

- Loney seems fine here, even without the power game this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved though. Could be, but I like Loney as a 1B in the mold of Mark Grace, but perhaps with a tad more power.

- I don't think Hudson is re-signed. Without looking, I think Belliard's contract runs through next year?? Belliard is a FA too, but yeah, I'd take him over Hudson.

- I don't know what to make of Raffy. He showed sign late, but he pretty much sucked all year. Maybe if he swung harder... Raffy is not physically reliable anymore.

- Blake is on the hook, so he's here. He needs to be a backup now at 1B/3B. Hopefully DeWitt can be the starter.

- Either is good, minus the left-handed pitching issues. Yup.

- Matt Kemp has taken some abuse on here for his plate discipline, but I really like him. Plus, he's great in CF. Yup.

- Manny looked lost most times. He was better in his first trimester. Yup, and lol. Unfortuately I'm sure he's going to exercise his option and remain with the team because I don't see him getting a better deal elsewhere.

- Russell Martin just grounded out again. He'd better have one hell of an offseason and early 2010 because if he doesn't he's probably gone. That was a very dramatic decline.

- I think Kershaw will be dominant if he learns to not overthrow when he gets in trouble. He'll mature and be awesome. Another Steve Carlton IMHO.

- I honestly don't know what to think about Billingsley- total enigma to me. He's a head case with tremendous talent. Kershaw is his best friend because Kershaw will be the ace and take that label and the corresponding pressure off of Bills.

- I like Kuroda, but the beaning set him back and I don't know how much he has left. Agreed, but he should be back in spring training next year. He's still a good potential #3-5 starter depending.

- Randy Wolf pitched well this year. I love the Wolf. He's a solid #3-4 starter, and a lefty to boot.

- Broxton- No comment other than I think he might be better suited for a set-up role- on another team. His mental toughness is in question for me. I'm not ready to bail on him, but I too have concerns.

####, that's all I can muster up right now. The end of this season hurt.
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Also, I want Padilla back too. He was outstanding for them, including in the playoffs, until that last game.
 
Maroney=Sped said:
Mr. Brownstone said:
Maroney=Sped said:
The Kansas Comet said:
Here's a step in the right direction: One McCourt down, one to go

Hopefully the divorce moves them to have the sell the team to an owner I can stand.
Click to expand...
This is going to be one entertaining offseason for the Dodgers, that's for sure.
Click to expand...
It's clear that some shake-up is needed. Some thoughts:- Schmidt's contract is off the books. Thank God Tommy. Yup, he's done.

- Loney seems fine here, even without the power game this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved though. Could be, but I like Loney as a 1B in the mold of Mark Grace, but perhaps with a tad more power.

- I don't think Hudson is re-signed. Without looking, I think Belliard's contract runs through next year?? Belliard is a FA too, but yeah, I'd take him over Hudson.

- I don't know what to make of Raffy. He showed sign late, but he pretty much sucked all year. Maybe if he swung harder... Raffy is not physically reliable anymore.

- Blake is on the hook, so he's here. He needs to be a backup now at 1B/3B. Hopefully DeWitt can be the starter.

- Either is good, minus the left-handed pitching issues. Yup.

- Matt Kemp has taken some abuse on here for his plate discipline, but I really like him. Plus, he's great in CF. Yup.

- Manny looked lost most times. He was better in his first trimester. Yup, and lol. Unfortuately I'm sure he's going to exercise his option and remain with the team because I don't see him getting a better deal elsewhere.

- Russell Martin just grounded out again. He'd better have one hell of an offseason and early 2010 because if he doesn't he's probably gone. That was a very dramatic decline.

- I think Kershaw will be dominant if he learns to not overthrow when he gets in trouble. He'll mature and be awesome. Another Steve Carlton IMHO.

- I honestly don't know what to think about Billingsley- total enigma to me. He's a head case with tremendous talent. Kershaw is his best friend because Kershaw will be the ace and take that label and the corresponding pressure off of Bills.

- I like Kuroda, but the beaning set him back and I don't know how much he has left. Agreed, but he should be back in spring training next year. He's still a good potential #3-5 starter depending.

- Randy Wolf pitched well this year. I love the Wolf. He's a solid #3-4 starter, and a lefty to boot.

- Broxton- No comment other than I think he might be better suited for a set-up role- on another team. His mental toughness is in question for me. I'm not ready to bail on him, but I too have concerns.

####, that's all I can muster up right now. The end of this season hurt.
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Also, I want Padilla back too. He was outstanding for them, including in the playoffs, until that last game.
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Dream of dreams, I want the Dodgers to make a big run at Felix Hernandez. It's too bad the Mariners have a young catcher they like because I would love to see Martin be part of deal to bring him here. As mediocre as Martin's hitting was, I was most disappointed by his defense in the playoffs. In Game 1 when Kerhsaw bounced a curveball with runners on, the guy tried to freaking backhand the ball instead of blocking it like a good catcher does. That was one of a number of poor plays behind the plate.

 
The Kansas Comet said:
Maroney=Sped said:
Mr. Brownstone said:
Maroney=Sped said:
The Kansas Comet said:
Here's a step in the right direction: One McCourt down, one to go

Hopefully the divorce moves them to have the sell the team to an owner I can stand.
Click to expand...
This is going to be one entertaining offseason for the Dodgers, that's for sure.
Click to expand...
It's clear that some shake-up is needed. Some thoughts:- Schmidt's contract is off the books. Thank God Tommy. Yup, he's done.

- Loney seems fine here, even without the power game this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved though. Could be, but I like Loney as a 1B in the mold of Mark Grace, but perhaps with a tad more power.

- I don't think Hudson is re-signed. Without looking, I think Belliard's contract runs through next year?? Belliard is a FA too, but yeah, I'd take him over Hudson.

- I don't know what to make of Raffy. He showed sign late, but he pretty much sucked all year. Maybe if he swung harder... Raffy is not physically reliable anymore.

- Blake is on the hook, so he's here. He needs to be a backup now at 1B/3B. Hopefully DeWitt can be the starter.

- Either is good, minus the left-handed pitching issues. Yup.

- Matt Kemp has taken some abuse on here for his plate discipline, but I really like him. Plus, he's great in CF. Yup.

- Manny looked lost most times. He was better in his first trimester. Yup, and lol. Unfortuately I'm sure he's going to exercise his option and remain with the team because I don't see him getting a better deal elsewhere.

- Russell Martin just grounded out again. He'd better have one hell of an offseason and early 2010 because if he doesn't he's probably gone. That was a very dramatic decline.

- I think Kershaw will be dominant if he learns to not overthrow when he gets in trouble. He'll mature and be awesome. Another Steve Carlton IMHO.

- I honestly don't know what to think about Billingsley- total enigma to me. He's a head case with tremendous talent. Kershaw is his best friend because Kershaw will be the ace and take that label and the corresponding pressure off of Bills.

- I like Kuroda, but the beaning set him back and I don't know how much he has left. Agreed, but he should be back in spring training next year. He's still a good potential #3-5 starter depending.

- Randy Wolf pitched well this year. I love the Wolf. He's a solid #3-4 starter, and a lefty to boot.

- Broxton- No comment other than I think he might be better suited for a set-up role- on another team. His mental toughness is in question for me. I'm not ready to bail on him, but I too have concerns.

####, that's all I can muster up right now. The end of this season hurt.
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Also, I want Padilla back too. He was outstanding for them, including in the playoffs, until that last game.
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Dream of dreams, I want the Dodgers to make a big run at Felix Hernandez. It's too bad the Mariners have a young catcher they like because I would love to see Martin be part of deal to bring him here. As mediocre as Martin's hitting was, I was most disappointed by his defense in the playoffs. In Game 1 when Kerhsaw bounced a curveball with runners on, the guy tried to freaking backhand the ball instead of blocking it like a good catcher does. That was one of a number of poor plays behind the plate.
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I don't know what happened to Martin this year. It's like he didn't put any work in during the offseason and coasted into the season. And yeah, too bad Manny re-upped, but there was no move that was more predictable than that. The Dodgers asked for it. At least Jaime is paying half. ;)

 
I'm deleting almost everything I agree with... so not to clog up the issues I have with this post.

Mr. Brownstone said:
- Loney seems fine here, even without the power game this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved though.

The criticism of Loney is always the lack of power, but you can't argue with his rbi production (nearly 100 again this year), his glove and clutch hitting. Dodger Stadium isn't a hitters ballpark, and at DS, Loney is a "gaps" hitter. (I think he hit two HRs at DS all season) He made a big turnaround this year when he stopped wearing the mouth piece at the plate, and I'm fairly certain, at his pricetag, he's going to get another season to get the power going.

- I don't think Hudson is re-signed. Without looking, I think Belliard's contract runs through next year??

Belly did a good job with the stick but he should be gone. The loss of Abreu was a blow, but I think either Dewitt gets a shot here or they go out and sign/trade for somebody. Hudson, already, is gone.

- I don't know what to make of Raffy. He showed sign late, but he pretty much sucked all year. Maybe if he swung harder...

Like it or not, Raffy is going to be around for another season or two. He's still got the cannon arm, and hopefully, with a full season under his belt after the injury plagued '08 year, he'll be more apt to taking bags in 2010 and get the OPS up. Dejesus is the player-in-waiting in the minors, but he's still a season or two away.

- Either is good, minus the left-handed pitching issues.

- Matt Kemp has taken some abuse on here for his plate discipline, but I really like him. Plus, he's great in CF.

I see the tandem of Kemp & Ethier is the heart of this offense and will be for years to come (Ned willing). Ethier will surely work on hitting left-handers this offseason (here's to hoping Mattingly doesn't jump ship for a managerial job), and Kemp isn't just great in center field, he's flat out the best young CF in the game. His ceiling is pretty much unlimited at this point. These guys are only going to get better.

- Russell Martin just grounded out again.

I gotta believe Martin is going to get the ultimatum early this season. Losing Carlos Santana in the trade for Blake in '08 will hurt for a while, because I think he'd be in the running for starter going into Spring Training otherwise. I don't think there's much of an answer here unfortunately, other than hoping Martin rights his ship in the offseason. I want to believe the huge drop off from '07 to now is more psychological than anything, but there's not really any outward evidence of it so it's hard to pinpoint.

- I think Kershaw will be dominant if he learns to not overthrow when he gets in trouble.

- I honestly don't know what to think about Billingsley- total enigma to me.

Kershaw is an ace in the making. He put in a stretch this year where, no joke, he was among the two or three best pitchers in the game. Ignore the W-L record, for some reason, the Dodgers offense took weekly dumps with him on the mound. But he has absolutely dominating stuff, and he's going to be 22 years old on Opening Day. As for Bills, it's obvious that he was either injured, or developed some sort of "funk" with his delivery in July. Last I heard, they figured out what the issue was and think it can be corrected. Something in his delivery. Bills has terrific stuff, and I truly think he's going to put it a full season next year. However, I also feel like he could end up the trade-bait in July to bring over a starter (like Halladay or whomever else is the hot ace up for grabs next summer) to the Dodgers.

- I like Kuroda, but the beaning set him back and I don't know how much he has left.

Kuroda will be in the rotation. He's a solid 3-4 guy on the staff who can "twirl a dandy" as Vinny would say, every so often.

- Randy Wolf pitched well this year.

Wolf is probably going to wind up with the highest bidder, and I don't expect that to be the Dodgers. This was statistically one of his best, if not his best, season, and somebody will overpay for him. Regardless, he had a great season and has a great attitude and I think he will do well again, whereever he goes.

- Broxton- No comment other than I think he might be better suited for a set-up role- on another team.

I feel like this is a "what have you done for me lately?" comment. Yes, the last we saw of Broxton, he was giving up a game-winning & (basically) series clinching gapper to J-Roll. But, I pin that loss squarely on Sherrill, because if he does his job, Broxton is warming in the pen until the 9th inning. Broxton was practically lights out this season, but you know what? He's not a guy who can give you two innings sandwiched around a 25-minute break on a chilly night in Philadelphia. He was practically unhittable all year, and even when he got into trouble, most of the time, he managed to get out of it by blowing guys away. If anything, I'd love to see him develop another out pitch. If he learns how to throw a changeup or a splitter, a la demon-spawn Trevor Hoffman, he's going to be even more dominant...

(I'm not entirely sure, but I believe Hoffman has about 350 saves against the Dodgers. I have much hatred for that guy)

- The end of this season hurt.

I couldn't agree more. I'm still stinging too. 'Til next year...
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Think the Blue Jays would take Billingsley, Broxton, Martin and a top prospect for Halladay? If not, would they have done so early-mid last season?

 
Gadfly said:
Think the Blue Jays would take Billingsley, Broxton, Martin and a top prospect for Halladay? If not, would they have done so early-mid last season?
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I would hope they would do it for Chad, Martin and a top prospect and a mid-level one. If Broxton is in the deal, the prospect should be of a lesser quality since Halladay is a free agent at the end of the year.
 
tommyGunZ said:
Matt Kemp was born to play CF in Petco. That is all.
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Not to worry. He tends to have a very enjoyable experience when he travels down there each season for 8 games or so. :lmao:
 
The Dodgers have yet to make a move that improves them. I wonder if they're paralyzed by the whole McCourt ownership issue.

 
T Bell said:
The Dodgers have yet to make a move that improves them. I wonder if they're paralyzed by the whole McCourt ownership issue.
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I'm not wondering - they were exceedingly careful with how they spent money before the divorce. Not surprising to see them stuck in neutral now. I know a number of players will get big pay raises in arbitration, and I imagine that's where the Dodgers' money will be spent this off-season. Of course, that means that we'll have no pitching staff whatsoever. I wish the matter would be settled quickly and the McCourts would have to sell, but there's no way that is happening. Some interesting/depressing reading about the matter here: http://www.dodgerdivorce.com/

 
The Kansas Comet said:
T Bell said:
The Dodgers have yet to make a move that improves them. I wonder if they're paralyzed by the whole McCourt ownership issue.
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I'm not wondering - they were exceedingly careful with how they spent money before the divorce. Not surprising to see them stuck in neutral now. I know a number of players will get big pay raises in arbitration, and I imagine that's where the Dodgers' money will be spent this off-season. Of course, that means that we'll have no pitching staff whatsoever. I wish the matter would be settled quickly and the McCourts would have to sell, but there's no way that is happening. Some interesting/depressing reading about the matter here: http://www.dodgerdivorce.com/
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What a mess.
 
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