Da Guru
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Labor Dispute Master Thread (1 Viewer)
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werdnoynek
Footballguy
for now... 
RobertBobson
Footballguy
the 8th circuit is likely to grant a stay, but this is promising.
eaglesfan7
Footballguy
Hopefully the appeals process doesn't last forever.
renesauz
IBL Representative
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Has a sailor been photographed kissing Tom Brady in Times Square yet?
Cipherchris
Footballguy
Uhmm...Even though I am all for the players. I think the shortest way for negotiation to satisfy both parties is for the NFL owners to win this lawsuit.
Now, there will be an appeal process, and which probably means more waiting.
Also to note, Union winning could possibly mean the end of draft and FA, which will result in significant less competitive football for the future. Snyder can finally play fantasy football with real players.
I'm hoping that I'm wrong, but things seem to be headed that way
Now, there will be an appeal process, and which probably means more waiting.
Also to note, Union winning could possibly mean the end of draft and FA, which will result in significant less competitive football for the future. Snyder can finally play fantasy football with real players.
I'm hoping that I'm wrong, but things seem to be headed that way
Heatman
Footballguy
fatness
against the grain
I think the players' side has been playing up the these fears, but I don't think they have any interest in ending the draft or ending the current way the NFL does business. But to continue doing business the same way both sides will have to agree to do so. Right now both sides are still hoping for court victories.
ex-ghost
Footballguy
Cipherchris
Footballguy
Kesseler has been voicing for the end of the draft for a very long time. And if you listen to PFT podcast I believe April 21st episode with guest caller Jeff Ireland), Mike Florio explained it best. It is probably used as a negotiation technique, but it can get out of hand if judges rules for that, so that even though neither side wants the end of the draft, it can become something that is beyond the control of both sides. And then we'll see the end of rookie draft as we know it.
fatness
against the grain
The NFLPA and players were perfectly happy with the arrangement they had (with the exception of wanting to knock back the rookie salary scale perhaps). They haven't changed that view. But pushing this fear will put more pressure on the owners, and Kesseler knows that.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
What union? Some of you guys don't even know what you're rooting for.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Now here's a phrase you don't read often, or ever believe.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
What are you talking about? What football fan in his right mind isn't happy to have PFT around?Pope Benedict XVI Fan
Footballguy
This is rather alarmist. If there is a CBA deal reached that provides for a draft then there will be a draft. A judge can only strike down the draft as anti-competitive and illegal if there is no CBA - assuming a player challenges it in court.
fatness
against the grain
fatness
against the grain
Certainly they do. They're rooting for NFL football players.What union? Some of you guys don't even know what you're rooting for.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
There is no way they will be ending the draft anytime in the foreseeable future.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Then, why did they say "go union"? Not the same thing. There is no players union in the NFL. Or did we not understand what decertification meant? Or, do you agree with the owners that it was a "sham"? I'm confused.Certainly they do. They're rooting for NFL football players.What union? Some of you guys don't even know what you're rooting for.
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Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Lol?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Do you need an umbrella and a warm coat for that remote, cold island you're wandering around on?
That's funny. I'm for the owners but I think the quickest way for negotiation is for the stay to be denied, thus forcing unrestricted free agency with no salary minimum. I'd bet that May 16 negotiation date won't come quick enough for the free agents who have only been offered $100k contracts.
fatness
against the grain
Everyone reading that knew what they meant. You did, too. There are better things to argue about than semantics, aren't there?
massraider
Footballguy
Amen.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Alright. Go union, I guess. Rah-rah.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I swear, who more than Eagles fans are praying for activity to open up before 7pm ET on Thursday? They got Kolb either wasting on the bench or as a chip to convert into a 1st round selection...and that all hinges on if the courts can resolve things prior to the Thursday night or not.
renesauz
IBL Representative
Which is exactly why I believe the players have abused the law.
renesauz
IBL Representative
Then, why did they say "go union"? Not the same thing. There is no players union in the NFL. Or did we not understand what decertification meant? Or, do you agree with the owners that it was a "sham"? I'm confused.Certainly they do. They're rooting for NFL football players.What union? Some of you guys don't even know what you're rooting for.
If they want these things to stay, then decertifying is a sham. Can't have it both ways.
fatness
against the grain
Baloney. They've just gotten the best of the owners so far in this protracted fight. It's not illegal or abusive if your side is losing at the moment.
Defenze
Footballguy
I'm all for this lifting of the lockout, but what does it really mean? The owners have appealed and thats gonna take time. I'm assuming they will like that as it gives them time to figure out what their next move is gonna be. Are we really any closer to assuring the start of the season? Sorry I'm just not that educated on all the legal maneuvering that both parties are doing.
Clifford
Footballguy
No kidding. First round last year beat NBA playoffs by a wide margin in ratings.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
hey legal begals, why didnt the judge order a stay? or is it customary to only rule then give a stay if asked for one?
bonesman
Footballguy
*fingers crossed*
renesauz
IBL Representative
So all laws are good laws? Gotcha....but my moral compass is a bit more complicated than that.
Rylenol
Footballguy
per NFL.com
"But perhaps the biggest development is that Nelson has decided not to stay the decision, which could force the league to open for business immediately."
That's pretty much where we are at right now. Next steps is that the owners may or may not (most likely will) appeal. Big question is, will the court even accept that appeal. If it doesn't, free agent craziness begins. We'll know as early as tomorrow night.
"But perhaps the biggest development is that Nelson has decided not to stay the decision, which could force the league to open for business immediately."
That's pretty much where we are at right now. Next steps is that the owners may or may not (most likely will) appeal. Big question is, will the court even accept that appeal. If it doesn't, free agent craziness begins. We'll know as early as tomorrow night.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I see you have met cobalt and engaged in a debate with it. I'm afraid there may be no cure for that.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Go Trade Association!Then, why did they say "go union"? Not the same thing. There is no players union in the NFL. Or did we not understand what decertification meant? Or, do you agree with the owners that it was a "sham"? I'm confused.Certainly they do. They're rooting for NFL football players.What union? Some of you guys don't even know what you're rooting for.
If a stay is not granted, business starts now. The NFL can appeal, but the lockout is not legal in the interim. Players will be showing up at the facilities first thing tomorrow morning and unless the appeals court moves are record speed, the players will have to be accepted or the players will have another barrel in their legal fight with the NFL violating the judge's ruling.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
THAT'S what I'm talking about!
coolnerd
Footballguy
Not a legal, but my understanding is that Nelson believes that both players and fans are being harmed by the NFL not conducting regular business while the players and NFL figure out a contract. In the statement she claims this dispute is not normal private employer versus private employee as there are both tangible and intangible ramification beyond the two parties indispute. How often stay are grated the legal guys will have to weight in.
