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I'm not sure if it was Mort or Schefter, but one of them said that Gates wasn't sure how long he could go on his hamstring. It was almost a throw-away line. Kinda weird.
Antonio Gates - TE - Chargers
ESPN's Adam Schefter reported on Sunday Countdown that Antonio Gates (hamstring, probable) "doesn't know how long he can go" in Sunday's late-afternoon game against Cincinnati.
Gates practiced fully on Friday and the probable tag suggests he's a virtual lock to be active, but the hamstring is clearly still bothering him. If Gates can't make it through a full game, Ladarius Green could be set up for a heavy increase in snaps. Green presents obvious Week 13 fantasy risk, but owners desperate at tight end can at least give him streamer consideration.
same decision for me and im going reed. But gates is probable not questionable. Also, you can wait to hear about gates since they play at 4 and reed plays at 830I guess Antonio Gates is pretty certain to play today? I mean there isn't even a sticky thread about Gates Questionable status. Anyway, I have to decide between Jordan Reed and Ladarius Green today. I'm leaning Reed, but it would be nice to know what's going on with Gates before making my decision.
thats 2 more than JT will getPlaying him over Julius in my FPC championship game. Means he will get 2 points this week.
Hahaha thank you Sharks ! Because of this thread I shoved him in last minute for Julius Thomas.
Having one of those days where everything you touch turns to gold
My starting TE next week after Cameron sees the bench.
This was Cameron's last chance vs. one of the worst teams defending the TE, he'll be benched for Green for my playoffs. Sucks because I acquired Cameron at the deadline because my TE situation was horrendous, so all for nothing.Beast, glad I benched that bum Cameron
Ouchsame decision for me and im going reed. But gates is probable not questionable. Also, you can wait to hear about gates since they play at 4 and reed plays at 830I guess Antonio Gates is pretty certain to play today? I mean there isn't even a sticky thread about Gates Questionable status. Anyway, I have to decide between Jordan Reed and Ladarius Green today. I'm leaning Reed, but it would be nice to know what's going on with Gates before making my decision.
Gates and his hurt hammy had 9. Until he is out of the picture I do not think you can roll Green and just keep hoping for TDs. (in redraft)He had 5 targets the last two weeks, and then had 6 today. Definitely trending upward.
He goes NYG, @Den, Oak - you don't like that Oak game in week 16 even?2 catches while Gates and a bad hammy had 5?
I know he got the TD but can he really be trusted as a starting TE in the playoffs?
While he is a good dynasty stash, he might not be the best option for anyone next week.
Picked up Brandon Myers who outscored them all but thanks for the concernOuchsame decision for me and im going reed. But gates is probable not questionable. Also, you can wait to hear about gates since they play at 4 and reed plays at 830I guess Antonio Gates is pretty certain to play today? I mean there isn't even a sticky thread about Gates Questionable status. Anyway, I have to decide between Jordan Reed and Ladarius Green today. I'm leaning Reed, but it would be nice to know what's going on with Gates before making my decision.
The schedule is the only reason I'm considering him. Gates is still the #1 TE, hard to start a #2 TE, I am eyeing Heath Miller on waivers instead.He goes NYG, @Den, Oak - you don't like that Oak game in week 16 even?2 catches while Gates and a bad hammy had 5?
I know he got the TD but can he really be trusted as a starting TE in the playoffs?
While he is a good dynasty stash, he might not be the best option for anyone next week.
In general, if people are looking at Green at this point in the year it's because of Cameron or injuries at TE, consider the other options likely out there. Most might be looking at Green's floor anyway.
You are able to pick up players at 7pm on a Sunday? Is this a dynasty?Picked up Brandon Myers who outscored them all but thanks for the concernOuchsame decision for me and im going reed. But gates is probable not questionable. Also, you can wait to hear about gates since they play at 4 and reed plays at 830I guess Antonio Gates is pretty certain to play today? I mean there isn't even a sticky thread about Gates Questionable status. Anyway, I have to decide between Jordan Reed and Ladarius Green today. I'm leaning Reed, but it would be nice to know what's going on with Gates before making my decision.
I did the same. Picked up Myers once I learned that Reed was out. Why wouldn't you be able to pick up a player who hasn't played yet? No different than picking up a player at 11:30 am who plays at 1:00.You are able to pick up players at 7pm on a Sunday? Is this a dynasty?Picked up Brandon Myers who outscored them all but thanks for the concernOuchsame decision for me and im going reed. But gates is probable not questionable. Also, you can wait to hear about gates since they play at 4 and reed plays at 830I guess Antonio Gates is pretty certain to play today? I mean there isn't even a sticky thread about Gates Questionable status. Anyway, I have to decide between Jordan Reed and Ladarius Green today. I'm leaning Reed, but it would be nice to know what's going on with Gates before making my decision.
Just asking out of curiosity, normally, in all but 2 of my 17 leagues, waivers close for any player in a Thursday game at kickoff and for the rest at 1pm on Sunday. So in my world its rare.I did the same. Picked up Myers once I learned that Reed was out. Why wouldn't you be able to pick up a player who hasn't played yet? No different than picking up a player at 11:30 am who plays at 1:00.You are able to pick up players at 7pm on a Sunday? Is this a dynasty?Picked up Brandon Myers who outscored them all but thanks for the concernOuchsame decision for me and im going reed. But gates is probable not questionable. Also, you can wait to hear about gates since they play at 4 and reed plays at 830I guess Antonio Gates is pretty certain to play today? I mean there isn't even a sticky thread about Gates Questionable status. Anyway, I have to decide between Jordan Reed and Ladarius Green today. I'm leaning Reed, but it would be nice to know what's going on with Gates before making my decision.
I absolutely think you can keep rolling out Green and hoping for touchdowns. The lack of catches concerns me, but the targets are keeping me from shopping on the waiver wire for a tight end this weekend. He has big play ability and is red hot right now....Can you name 5 tight ends you would start over him without question? I can't. My only other options are on the waiver wire right now....so Green is locked into my playoff roster right now.Phenix said:Gates and his hurt hammy had 9. Until he is out of the picture I do not think you can roll Green and just keep hoping for TDs. (in redraft)Ghost Rider said:He had 5 targets the last two weeks, and then had 6 today. Definitely trending upward.
GrahamI absolutely think you can keep rolling out Green and hoping for touchdowns. The lack of catches concerns me, but the targets are keeping me from shopping on the waiver wire for a tight end this weekend. He has big play ability and is red hot right now....Can you name 5 tight ends you would start over him without question? I can't. My only other options are on the waiver wire right now....so Green is locked into my playoff roster right now.Phenix said:Gates and his hurt hammy had 9. Until he is out of the picture I do not think you can roll Green and just keep hoping for TDs. (in redraft)Ghost Rider said:He had 5 targets the last two weeks, and then had 6 today. Definitely trending upward.
I suppose, but I think both the floor AND ceiling is higher for all of those guys than for Green on any given week. I own Green - started him over Gates this week - but I would have preferred any of those guys in my starting lineup.I will give you Graham, Gronk, Witten, Davis and a healthy Thomas....after that - it isn't so cut and dry. I would absolutely prefer Green to Olsen, Fleener, Gonzo and Walker.
1. GrahamFor Dynasty purposes, I am curious what the consensus is on where to rank Green. Is he entering most people's discussion of Top 5-10? Clearly Graham, Gronk and Julius Thomas are well ahead of Green, but what about Jordan Cameron? Jordan Reed? Would you rank Green ahead of veteran's with a shorter shelf life, such as Vernon Davis or Jason Witten? How does Green's dynasty value compare to other young TE talents such as Eifert, Ertz, Fleener or Dwayne Allen? What sayeth the Pool?
For the record, I have Green ranked #8 for Dynasty purposes:
1. Graham
2. Gronkowski
3. J. Thomas
4. Jordan Cameron
5. Vernon Davis
6. Jordan Reed
7. Tyler Eifert
8. Ladarius Green
After another good showing, I may be moving Green up a spot or two in my dynasty rankings. I was concerned that I may have ranked Green a bit too high, even for Dynasty purposes, but based on what I am seeing here, perhaps I have him ranked lower than some.
Excellent analysis. Thanks!1. GrahamFor Dynasty purposes, I am curious what the consensus is on where to rank Green. Is he entering most people's discussion of Top 5-10? Clearly Graham, Gronk and Julius Thomas are well ahead of Green, but what about Jordan Cameron? Jordan Reed? Would you rank Green ahead of veteran's with a shorter shelf life, such as Vernon Davis or Jason Witten? How does Green's dynasty value compare to other young TE talents such as Eifert, Ertz, Fleener or Dwayne Allen? What sayeth the Pool?
For the record, I have Green ranked #8 for Dynasty purposes:
1. Graham
2. Gronkowski
3. J. Thomas
4. Jordan Cameron
5. Vernon Davis
6. Jordan Reed
7. Tyler Eifert
8. Ladarius Green
After another good showing, I may be moving Green up a spot or two in my dynasty rankings. I was concerned that I may have ranked Green a bit too high, even for Dynasty purposes, but based on what I am seeing here, perhaps I have him ranked lower than some.
2. Gronkowski
3. J. Thomas
4. Vernon Davis
5. Ladarius Green
6. Jordan Cameron
7. Jordan Reed
8. Tyler Eifert
Those would be my rankings for dynasty. As I pointed out earlier, to be top 5 at the TE position, it seems to require a above average to elite QB. Vernon Davis is the only one with an iffy QB situation in my top 5, as Davis is one of the most physically gifted of the bunch, and Kaepernick is young and has the potential to develop, although that's a debate for another thread. Jordan Cameron moves down on the list for me because although obviously talented, his QB situation is uncertain, and we've seen its effect after Hoyer went out. No doubt he is a good offensive system with Turner to easily break the top 5 though. Jordan Reed is in a similar boat to Vernon, except Vernon has history to back up his top 5 projection, whereas although Reed has been impressive, a lot hinges upon RG3's development, and the uncertainty of this coaching regime raises concerns as well. Eifert is lower on my list, because I am personally not the biggest believer in Dalton's ability to take it to the next level, and Gresham, who came in with high expectations and was considered one of the top pass catching TEs in his draft class, has underwhelmed in that offense. Whether it's scheme, Dalton, or his own personal shortcomings, he hasn't really sniffed elite status. Personally, I believe it truly is a combination of all 3, but that the offensive scheme and Dalton have largely held him back, and fear the same might limit Eifert's potential.
As for Green, he reminds me of a more more athletic version of JT, which is saying something. Guy has wheels, and is up there as far as physical talent relative to the other TEs on this list. The thing he is not missing that those below him are not, is a top QB. Again, debating exactly how good Rivers might be is for another thread, but most would admit that he can be elite, and the issue is more whether he can sustain top play without his intermittent slouch periods. Personally, I consider him elite. Additionally, Green has been in the system for some time now, and is younger than those in front of him on my rankings. I had a hard time not putting him in front of VD personally, but didn't want to go too crazy with the rankings, and would easily understand how someone not confident in Kaepernick's potential would put him behind Green.
Well, there you have it. Probably more than you wanted to hear, but that's my opinion on the matter.
This is about how I would rank the top 8. I need to see more from Green so I may bump him to #10. But this is about right.For Dynasty purposes, I am curious what the consensus is on where to rank Green. Is he entering most people's discussion of Top 5-10? Clearly Graham, Gronk and Julius Thomas are well ahead of Green, but what about Jordan Cameron? Jordan Reed? Would you rank Green ahead of veteran's with a shorter shelf life, such as Vernon Davis or Jason Witten? How does Green's dynasty value compare to other young TE talents such as Eifert, Ertz, Fleener or Dwayne Allen? What sayeth the Pool?
For the record, I have Green ranked #8 for Dynasty purposes:
1. Graham
2. Gronkowski
3. J. Thomas
4. Jordan Cameron
5. Vernon Davis
6. Jordan Reed
7. Tyler Eifert
8. Ladarius Green
After another good showing, I may be moving Green up a spot or two in my dynasty rankings. I was concerned that I may have ranked Green a bit too high, even for Dynasty purposes, but based on what I am seeing here, perhaps I have him ranked lower than some.
Agreed. Good analysis here. I agree with this ranking except I might swap Reed and Cameron. But otherwise agree. Green has massive upside. His performance on limited targets has been ridiculous. The target numbers will eventually increase, and the sky will be the limit. Potential to be the best TE in the league, or at least top 3.Excellent analysis. Thanks!1. GrahamFor Dynasty purposes, I am curious what the consensus is on where to rank Green. Is he entering most people's discussion of Top 5-10? Clearly Graham, Gronk and Julius Thomas are well ahead of Green, but what about Jordan Cameron? Jordan Reed? Would you rank Green ahead of veteran's with a shorter shelf life, such as Vernon Davis or Jason Witten? How does Green's dynasty value compare to other young TE talents such as Eifert, Ertz, Fleener or Dwayne Allen? What sayeth the Pool?
For the record, I have Green ranked #8 for Dynasty purposes:
1. Graham
2. Gronkowski
3. J. Thomas
4. Jordan Cameron
5. Vernon Davis
6. Jordan Reed
7. Tyler Eifert
8. Ladarius Green
After another good showing, I may be moving Green up a spot or two in my dynasty rankings. I was concerned that I may have ranked Green a bit too high, even for Dynasty purposes, but based on what I am seeing here, perhaps I have him ranked lower than some.
2. Gronkowski
3. J. Thomas
4. Vernon Davis
5. Ladarius Green
6. Jordan Cameron
7. Jordan Reed
8. Tyler Eifert
Those would be my rankings for dynasty. As I pointed out earlier, to be top 5 at the TE position, it seems to require a above average to elite QB. Vernon Davis is the only one with an iffy QB situation in my top 5, as Davis is one of the most physically gifted of the bunch, and Kaepernick is young and has the potential to develop, although that's a debate for another thread. Jordan Cameron moves down on the list for me because although obviously talented, his QB situation is uncertain, and we've seen its effect after Hoyer went out. No doubt he is a good offensive system with Turner to easily break the top 5 though. Jordan Reed is in a similar boat to Vernon, except Vernon has history to back up his top 5 projection, whereas although Reed has been impressive, a lot hinges upon RG3's development, and the uncertainty of this coaching regime raises concerns as well. Eifert is lower on my list, because I am personally not the biggest believer in Dalton's ability to take it to the next level, and Gresham, who came in with high expectations and was considered one of the top pass catching TEs in his draft class, has underwhelmed in that offense. Whether it's scheme, Dalton, or his own personal shortcomings, he hasn't really sniffed elite status. Personally, I believe it truly is a combination of all 3, but that the offensive scheme and Dalton have largely held him back, and fear the same might limit Eifert's potential.
As for Green, he reminds me of a more more athletic version of JT, which is saying something. Guy has wheels, and is up there as far as physical talent relative to the other TEs on this list. The thing he is not missing that those below him are not, is a top QB. Again, debating exactly how good Rivers might be is for another thread, but most would admit that he can be elite, and the issue is more whether he can sustain top play without his intermittent slouch periods. Personally, I consider him elite. Additionally, Green has been in the system for some time now, and is younger than those in front of him on my rankings. I had a hard time not putting him in front of VD personally, but didn't want to go too crazy with the rankings, and would easily understand how someone not confident in Kaepernick's potential would put him behind Green.
Well, there you have it. Probably more than you wanted to hear, but that's my opinion on the matter.
I think this may be my strategy going forward (Jordan Reed owner here). I need to start looking at other options quickly, and Green may be the best of a (very) bad lot.I absolutely think you can keep rolling out Green and hoping for touchdowns. The lack of catches concerns me, but the targets are keeping me from shopping on the waiver wire for a tight end this weekend. He has big play ability and is red hot right now....Can you name 5 tight ends you would start over him without question? I can't. My only other options are on the waiver wire right now....so Green is locked into my playoff roster right now.Phenix said:Gates and his hurt hammy had 9. Until he is out of the picture I do not think you can roll Green and just keep hoping for TDs. (in redraft)Ghost Rider said:He had 5 targets the last two weeks, and then had 6 today. Definitely trending upward.
Great info. Thanks.It's worth noting (per Mike Clay from PFF) that Green was in for 61 of 67 snaps. Gates played a similar amount, so San Diego was running a number of two TE sets.
Clay also stated that they ran a similar number of passing routes, although the exact numbers weren't provided.
woahIt's worth noting (per Mike Clay from PFF) that Green was in for 61 of 67 snaps. Gates played a similar amount, so San Diego was running a number of two TE sets.
Clay also stated that they ran a similar number of passing routes, although the exact numbers weren't provided.
yep, hes like jimmy graham. Eddie royal injury is more beneficial to him than gates injury. Speaking of which, anybody know royals status going forward?Part of that is because Green played a bunch in the slot. Not that that's a bad thing.