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Ladarius Green's value (1 Viewer)

I'm not sure if it was Mort or Schefter, but one of them said that Gates wasn't sure how long he could go on his hamstring. It was almost a throw-away line. Kinda weird.

 
Antonio Gates - TE - Chargers


ESPN's Adam Schefter reported on Sunday Countdown that Antonio Gates (hamstring, probable) "doesn't know how long he can go" in Sunday's late-afternoon game against Cincinnati.

Gates practiced fully on Friday and the probable tag suggests he's a virtual lock to be active, but the hamstring is clearly still bothering him. If Gates can't make it through a full game, Ladarius Green could be set up for a heavy increase in snaps. Green presents obvious Week 13 fantasy risk, but owners desperate at tight end can at least give him streamer consideration.
 
I guess Antonio Gates is pretty certain to play today? I mean there isn't even a sticky thread about Gates Questionable status. Anyway, I have to decide between Jordan Reed and Ladarius Green today. I'm leaning Reed, but it would be nice to know what's going on with Gates before making my decision.
same decision for me and im going reed. But gates is probable not questionable. Also, you can wait to hear about gates since they play at 4 and reed plays at 830
 
Playing Reed over Green, JHunter, and JKearse in a flex spot. (large starting lineups w/ 5 WR/TEs)

 
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Hahaha thank you Sharks ! Because of this thread I shoved him in last minute for Julius Thomas.

Having one of those days where everything you touch turns to gold

 
My starting TE next week after Cameron sees the bench.
Beast, glad I benched that bum Cameron
This was Cameron's last chance vs. one of the worst teams defending the TE, he'll be benched for Green for my playoffs. Sucks because I acquired Cameron at the deadline because my TE situation was horrendous, so all for nothing.

Picked up Green off FA for this weekend, hopefully he is part of my championship run!

 
I guess Antonio Gates is pretty certain to play today? I mean there isn't even a sticky thread about Gates Questionable status. Anyway, I have to decide between Jordan Reed and Ladarius Green today. I'm leaning Reed, but it would be nice to know what's going on with Gates before making my decision.
same decision for me and im going reed. But gates is probable not questionable. Also, you can wait to hear about gates since they play at 4 and reed plays at 830
Ouch

 
2 catches while Gates and a bad hammy had 5?

I know he got the TD but can he really be trusted as a starting TE in the playoffs?

While he is a good dynasty stash, he might not be the best option for anyone next week.

 
2 catches while Gates and a bad hammy had 5?

I know he got the TD but can he really be trusted as a starting TE in the playoffs?

While he is a good dynasty stash, he might not be the best option for anyone next week.
He goes NYG, @Den, Oak - you don't like that Oak game in week 16 even?

In general, if people are looking at Green at this point in the year it's because of Cameron or injuries at TE, consider the other options likely out there. Most might be looking at Green's floor anyway.

 
I guess Antonio Gates is pretty certain to play today? I mean there isn't even a sticky thread about Gates Questionable status. Anyway, I have to decide between Jordan Reed and Ladarius Green today. I'm leaning Reed, but it would be nice to know what's going on with Gates before making my decision.
same decision for me and im going reed. But gates is probable not questionable. Also, you can wait to hear about gates since they play at 4 and reed plays at 830
Ouch
Picked up Brandon Myers who outscored them all but thanks for the concern

 
2 catches while Gates and a bad hammy had 5?

I know he got the TD but can he really be trusted as a starting TE in the playoffs?

While he is a good dynasty stash, he might not be the best option for anyone next week.
He goes NYG, @Den, Oak - you don't like that Oak game in week 16 even?

In general, if people are looking at Green at this point in the year it's because of Cameron or injuries at TE, consider the other options likely out there. Most might be looking at Green's floor anyway.
The schedule is the only reason I'm considering him. Gates is still the #1 TE, hard to start a #2 TE, I am eyeing Heath Miller on waivers instead.

 
I guess Antonio Gates is pretty certain to play today? I mean there isn't even a sticky thread about Gates Questionable status. Anyway, I have to decide between Jordan Reed and Ladarius Green today. I'm leaning Reed, but it would be nice to know what's going on with Gates before making my decision.
same decision for me and im going reed. But gates is probable not questionable. Also, you can wait to hear about gates since they play at 4 and reed plays at 830
Ouch
Picked up Brandon Myers who outscored them all but thanks for the concern
You are able to pick up players at 7pm on a Sunday? Is this a dynasty?

 
I guess Antonio Gates is pretty certain to play today? I mean there isn't even a sticky thread about Gates Questionable status. Anyway, I have to decide between Jordan Reed and Ladarius Green today. I'm leaning Reed, but it would be nice to know what's going on with Gates before making my decision.
same decision for me and im going reed. But gates is probable not questionable. Also, you can wait to hear about gates since they play at 4 and reed plays at 830
Ouch
Picked up Brandon Myers who outscored them all but thanks for the concern
You are able to pick up players at 7pm on a Sunday? Is this a dynasty?
I did the same. Picked up Myers once I learned that Reed was out. Why wouldn't you be able to pick up a player who hasn't played yet? No different than picking up a player at 11:30 am who plays at 1:00.

 
I guess Antonio Gates is pretty certain to play today? I mean there isn't even a sticky thread about Gates Questionable status. Anyway, I have to decide between Jordan Reed and Ladarius Green today. I'm leaning Reed, but it would be nice to know what's going on with Gates before making my decision.
same decision for me and im going reed. But gates is probable not questionable. Also, you can wait to hear about gates since they play at 4 and reed plays at 830
Ouch
Picked up Brandon Myers who outscored them all but thanks for the concern
You are able to pick up players at 7pm on a Sunday? Is this a dynasty?
I did the same. Picked up Myers once I learned that Reed was out. Why wouldn't you be able to pick up a player who hasn't played yet? No different than picking up a player at 11:30 am who plays at 1:00.
Just asking out of curiosity, normally, in all but 2 of my 17 leagues, waivers close for any player in a Thursday game at kickoff and for the rest at 1pm on Sunday. So in my world its rare.

 
Phenix said:
Ghost Rider said:
He had 5 targets the last two weeks, and then had 6 today. Definitely trending upward.
Gates and his hurt hammy had 9. Until he is out of the picture I do not think you can roll Green and just keep hoping for TDs. (in redraft)
I absolutely think you can keep rolling out Green and hoping for touchdowns. The lack of catches concerns me, but the targets are keeping me from shopping on the waiver wire for a tight end this weekend. He has big play ability and is red hot right now....Can you name 5 tight ends you would start over him without question? I can't. My only other options are on the waiver wire right now....so Green is locked into my playoff roster right now.

 
Phenix said:
Ghost Rider said:
He had 5 targets the last two weeks, and then had 6 today. Definitely trending upward.
Gates and his hurt hammy had 9. Until he is out of the picture I do not think you can roll Green and just keep hoping for TDs. (in redraft)
I absolutely think you can keep rolling out Green and hoping for touchdowns. The lack of catches concerns me, but the targets are keeping me from shopping on the waiver wire for a tight end this weekend. He has big play ability and is red hot right now....Can you name 5 tight ends you would start over him without question? I can't. My only other options are on the waiver wire right now....so Green is locked into my playoff roster right now.
Graham

Gronk

Witten

V. Davis

G. Olsen

J Thomas (if healthy)

Fleener

Gonzo

D. Walker (if healthy)

...

 
I will give you Graham, Gronk, Witten, Davis and a healthy Thomas....after that - it isn't so cut and dry. I would absolutely prefer Green to Olsen, Fleener, Gonzo and Walker.

 
I will give you Graham, Gronk, Witten, Davis and a healthy Thomas....after that - it isn't so cut and dry. I would absolutely prefer Green to Olsen, Fleener, Gonzo and Walker.
I suppose, but I think both the floor AND ceiling is higher for all of those guys than for Green on any given week. I own Green - started him over Gates this week - but I would have preferred any of those guys in my starting lineup.

 
I dropped Gonzo to get Green last week, and both Fleener and Walker are available on my waiver wire right now.

I drafted Gonzo and have been riding him all year, but have not been getting any production out of him...I know he scored this weekend, but he doesn't seem to have the big play ability that Green has right now.

My point is that he is in the midst of a nice streak, and you really can't argue with a playoff team starting him with confidence.

 
For Dynasty purposes, I am curious what the consensus is on where to rank Green. Is he entering most people's discussion of Top 5-10? Clearly Graham, Gronk and Julius Thomas are well ahead of Green, but what about Jordan Cameron? Jordan Reed? Would you rank Green ahead of veterans with a shorter shelf life, such as Vernon Davis or Jason Witten? How does Green's dynasty value compare to other young TE talents such as Eifert, Ertz, Fleener or Dwayne Allen? What sayeth the Pool?

For the record, I have Green ranked #8 for Dynasty purposes:

1. Graham

2. Gronkowski

3. J. Thomas

4. Jordan Cameron

5. Vernon Davis

6. Jordan Reed

7. Tyler Eifert

8. Ladarius Green

After another good showing, I may be moving Green up a spot or two in my dynasty rankings. I was concerned that I may have ranked Green a bit too high, even for Dynasty purposes, but based on what I am seeing here, perhaps I have him ranked lower than some.

 
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I didn't watch the game, but I assume Eddie Royal was inactive. Did Green line up at the slot position for a significant amount of snaps?

 
For Dynasty purposes, I am curious what the consensus is on where to rank Green. Is he entering most people's discussion of Top 5-10? Clearly Graham, Gronk and Julius Thomas are well ahead of Green, but what about Jordan Cameron? Jordan Reed? Would you rank Green ahead of veteran's with a shorter shelf life, such as Vernon Davis or Jason Witten? How does Green's dynasty value compare to other young TE talents such as Eifert, Ertz, Fleener or Dwayne Allen? What sayeth the Pool?

For the record, I have Green ranked #8 for Dynasty purposes:

1. Graham

2. Gronkowski

3. J. Thomas

4. Jordan Cameron

5. Vernon Davis

6. Jordan Reed

7. Tyler Eifert

8. Ladarius Green

After another good showing, I may be moving Green up a spot or two in my dynasty rankings. I was concerned that I may have ranked Green a bit too high, even for Dynasty purposes, but based on what I am seeing here, perhaps I have him ranked lower than some.
1. Graham

2. Gronkowski

3. J. Thomas

4. Vernon Davis

5. Ladarius Green

6. Jordan Cameron

7. Jordan Reed

8. Tyler Eifert

Those would be my rankings for dynasty. As I pointed out earlier, to be top 5 at the TE position, it seems to require a above average to elite QB. Vernon Davis is the only one with an iffy QB situation in my top 5, as Davis is one of the most physically gifted of the bunch, and Kaepernick is young and has the potential to develop, although that's a debate for another thread. Jordan Cameron moves down on the list for me because although obviously talented, his QB situation is uncertain, and we've seen its effect after Hoyer went out. No doubt he is a good offensive system with Turner to easily break the top 5 though. Jordan Reed is in a similar boat to Vernon, except Vernon has history to back up his top 5 projection, whereas although Reed has been impressive, a lot hinges upon RG3's development, and the uncertainty of this coaching regime raises concerns as well. Eifert is lower on my list, because I am personally not the biggest believer in Dalton's ability to take it to the next level, and Gresham, who came in with high expectations and was considered one of the top pass catching TEs in his draft class, has underwhelmed in that offense. Whether it's scheme, Dalton, or his own personal shortcomings, he hasn't really sniffed elite status. Personally, I believe it truly is a combination of all 3, but that the offensive scheme and Dalton have largely held him back, and fear the same might limit Eifert's potential.

As for Green, he reminds me of a more more athletic version of JT, which is saying something. Guy has wheels, and is up there as far as physical talent relative to the other TEs on this list. The thing he is not missing that those below him are not, is a top QB. Again, debating exactly how good Rivers might be is for another thread, but most would admit that he can be elite, and the issue is more whether he can sustain top play without his intermittent slouch periods. Personally, I consider him elite. Additionally, Green has been in the system for some time now, and is younger than those in front of him on my rankings. I had a hard time not putting him in front of VD personally, but didn't want to go too crazy with the rankings, and would easily understand how someone not confident in Kaepernick's potential would put him behind Green.

Well, there you have it. Probably more than you wanted to hear, but that's my opinion on the matter.

 
For Dynasty purposes, I am curious what the consensus is on where to rank Green. Is he entering most people's discussion of Top 5-10? Clearly Graham, Gronk and Julius Thomas are well ahead of Green, but what about Jordan Cameron? Jordan Reed? Would you rank Green ahead of veteran's with a shorter shelf life, such as Vernon Davis or Jason Witten? How does Green's dynasty value compare to other young TE talents such as Eifert, Ertz, Fleener or Dwayne Allen? What sayeth the Pool?

For the record, I have Green ranked #8 for Dynasty purposes:

1. Graham

2. Gronkowski

3. J. Thomas

4. Jordan Cameron

5. Vernon Davis

6. Jordan Reed

7. Tyler Eifert

8. Ladarius Green

After another good showing, I may be moving Green up a spot or two in my dynasty rankings. I was concerned that I may have ranked Green a bit too high, even for Dynasty purposes, but based on what I am seeing here, perhaps I have him ranked lower than some.
1. Graham

2. Gronkowski

3. J. Thomas

4. Vernon Davis

5. Ladarius Green

6. Jordan Cameron

7. Jordan Reed

8. Tyler Eifert

Those would be my rankings for dynasty. As I pointed out earlier, to be top 5 at the TE position, it seems to require a above average to elite QB. Vernon Davis is the only one with an iffy QB situation in my top 5, as Davis is one of the most physically gifted of the bunch, and Kaepernick is young and has the potential to develop, although that's a debate for another thread. Jordan Cameron moves down on the list for me because although obviously talented, his QB situation is uncertain, and we've seen its effect after Hoyer went out. No doubt he is a good offensive system with Turner to easily break the top 5 though. Jordan Reed is in a similar boat to Vernon, except Vernon has history to back up his top 5 projection, whereas although Reed has been impressive, a lot hinges upon RG3's development, and the uncertainty of this coaching regime raises concerns as well. Eifert is lower on my list, because I am personally not the biggest believer in Dalton's ability to take it to the next level, and Gresham, who came in with high expectations and was considered one of the top pass catching TEs in his draft class, has underwhelmed in that offense. Whether it's scheme, Dalton, or his own personal shortcomings, he hasn't really sniffed elite status. Personally, I believe it truly is a combination of all 3, but that the offensive scheme and Dalton have largely held him back, and fear the same might limit Eifert's potential.

As for Green, he reminds me of a more more athletic version of JT, which is saying something. Guy has wheels, and is up there as far as physical talent relative to the other TEs on this list. The thing he is not missing that those below him are not, is a top QB. Again, debating exactly how good Rivers might be is for another thread, but most would admit that he can be elite, and the issue is more whether he can sustain top play without his intermittent slouch periods. Personally, I consider him elite. Additionally, Green has been in the system for some time now, and is younger than those in front of him on my rankings. I had a hard time not putting him in front of VD personally, but didn't want to go too crazy with the rankings, and would easily understand how someone not confident in Kaepernick's potential would put him behind Green.

Well, there you have it. Probably more than you wanted to hear, but that's my opinion on the matter.
Excellent analysis. Thanks!

 
For Dynasty purposes, I am curious what the consensus is on where to rank Green. Is he entering most people's discussion of Top 5-10? Clearly Graham, Gronk and Julius Thomas are well ahead of Green, but what about Jordan Cameron? Jordan Reed? Would you rank Green ahead of veteran's with a shorter shelf life, such as Vernon Davis or Jason Witten? How does Green's dynasty value compare to other young TE talents such as Eifert, Ertz, Fleener or Dwayne Allen? What sayeth the Pool?

For the record, I have Green ranked #8 for Dynasty purposes:

1. Graham

2. Gronkowski

3. J. Thomas

4. Jordan Cameron

5. Vernon Davis

6. Jordan Reed

7. Tyler Eifert

8. Ladarius Green

After another good showing, I may be moving Green up a spot or two in my dynasty rankings. I was concerned that I may have ranked Green a bit too high, even for Dynasty purposes, but based on what I am seeing here, perhaps I have him ranked lower than some.
This is about how I would rank the top 8. I need to see more from Green so I may bump him to #10. But this is about right.

 
1. Gronk

2. Graham

3. Thomas

4. Reed

5. Cameron

6. Davis

7. Eifert

8. Green

Witten has been extremely inconsisent this year. I'm not sure he's anything more than the best of the glob of low-end TE1's that are readily available. With TE, it's all about upside.

 
I think TE8 in Dynasty is about right. TE6 I can understand, but I want to see a bit more proof that he can consistently up good numbers as the featured TE on his team.

 
For Dynasty purposes, I am curious what the consensus is on where to rank Green. Is he entering most people's discussion of Top 5-10? Clearly Graham, Gronk and Julius Thomas are well ahead of Green, but what about Jordan Cameron? Jordan Reed? Would you rank Green ahead of veteran's with a shorter shelf life, such as Vernon Davis or Jason Witten? How does Green's dynasty value compare to other young TE talents such as Eifert, Ertz, Fleener or Dwayne Allen? What sayeth the Pool?

For the record, I have Green ranked #8 for Dynasty purposes:

1. Graham

2. Gronkowski

3. J. Thomas

4. Jordan Cameron

5. Vernon Davis

6. Jordan Reed

7. Tyler Eifert

8. Ladarius Green

After another good showing, I may be moving Green up a spot or two in my dynasty rankings. I was concerned that I may have ranked Green a bit too high, even for Dynasty purposes, but based on what I am seeing here, perhaps I have him ranked lower than some.
1. Graham

2. Gronkowski

3. J. Thomas

4. Vernon Davis

5. Ladarius Green

6. Jordan Cameron

7. Jordan Reed

8. Tyler Eifert

Those would be my rankings for dynasty. As I pointed out earlier, to be top 5 at the TE position, it seems to require a above average to elite QB. Vernon Davis is the only one with an iffy QB situation in my top 5, as Davis is one of the most physically gifted of the bunch, and Kaepernick is young and has the potential to develop, although that's a debate for another thread. Jordan Cameron moves down on the list for me because although obviously talented, his QB situation is uncertain, and we've seen its effect after Hoyer went out. No doubt he is a good offensive system with Turner to easily break the top 5 though. Jordan Reed is in a similar boat to Vernon, except Vernon has history to back up his top 5 projection, whereas although Reed has been impressive, a lot hinges upon RG3's development, and the uncertainty of this coaching regime raises concerns as well. Eifert is lower on my list, because I am personally not the biggest believer in Dalton's ability to take it to the next level, and Gresham, who came in with high expectations and was considered one of the top pass catching TEs in his draft class, has underwhelmed in that offense. Whether it's scheme, Dalton, or his own personal shortcomings, he hasn't really sniffed elite status. Personally, I believe it truly is a combination of all 3, but that the offensive scheme and Dalton have largely held him back, and fear the same might limit Eifert's potential.

As for Green, he reminds me of a more more athletic version of JT, which is saying something. Guy has wheels, and is up there as far as physical talent relative to the other TEs on this list. The thing he is not missing that those below him are not, is a top QB. Again, debating exactly how good Rivers might be is for another thread, but most would admit that he can be elite, and the issue is more whether he can sustain top play without his intermittent slouch periods. Personally, I consider him elite. Additionally, Green has been in the system for some time now, and is younger than those in front of him on my rankings. I had a hard time not putting him in front of VD personally, but didn't want to go too crazy with the rankings, and would easily understand how someone not confident in Kaepernick's potential would put him behind Green.

Well, there you have it. Probably more than you wanted to hear, but that's my opinion on the matter.
Excellent analysis. Thanks!
Agreed. Good analysis here. I agree with this ranking except I might swap Reed and Cameron. But otherwise agree. Green has massive upside. His performance on limited targets has been ridiculous. The target numbers will eventually increase, and the sky will be the limit. Potential to be the best TE in the league, or at least top 3.

 
Here are the top 5 TEs in standard scoring formats so far this year, and the five preceding years, with their respective QBs:

2013

  1. Graham - Brees
  2. Davis - Kaepernick
  3. J. Thomas - P. Manning
  4. Cameron - Crapshoot
  5. Witten - Romo
2012

  1. Graham - Brees
  2. Gronk - Brady
  3. Gonzalez - Ryan
  4. Miller - Big Ben
  5. Witten - Romo
2011

  1. Gronk - Brady
  2. Graham - Brees
  3. Hernandez - Brady
  4. Gonzalez - Ryan
  5. Finley - Rodgers
2010

  1. Witten - Romo
  2. Gates - Rivers
  3. Davis - Smith
  4. M. Lewis - Garrad (Pro Bowl yr)
  5. Gonzalez - Ryan
2009

  1. Clark - P. Manning
  2. Witten - Romo
  3. Gonzalez - Ryan
  4. Gates - Rivers
  5. Davis - Smith
2008

  1. Gonzalez - Ryan
  2. Clark - P. Manning
  3. Witten - Romo
  4. Gates - Rivers
  5. Shiancoe - T. Jackson/G. Frerotte
With the exception of very few, like I've mentioned, the top 5 TEs in recent time has always come attached to a good QB. Brady even produced 2 in one season (2011). Obviously the individual talent and the offensive system the TE is placed in can make a huge difference, but the factor that weighs most heavily in my analysis of TEs, especially for dynasty purposes, is the QB. Does anyone really think that Clark would had anywhere near the kind of career he had with a QB other than Manning?

My high dynasty ranking for Green is based upon the fact that (a) he appears to have all of the physical tools necessary (b) he has shown he can be productive even when given a limited opportunity, and © his success is attached to that of Phillip Rivers. Rivers has produced a top 5 TE before, multiple times in fact, whereas RG3, Dalton, and whoever the heck is throwing the ball to Cameron next year have not. Granted, the jury is still out on RG3, but the careers of him and Reed are interwoven. There are countless incredibly talented players that enter and leave the league without reaching their potential because of the pieces around them. Some make their way elsewhere and excel, while others best years have passed by the time they have the opportunity. Look at Randy Moss in OAK. Granted everyone knew he was incredibly talented before going there, but he was a shell of his former self while he was there, only to immediately find himself upon joining Brady and the Patriots.

My point is, in my opinion, QBs are the most important factors for TEs, moreso than WRs who can manage top 5-10 seasons more commonly with subpar situations. As for waiting to see what Green can do once given a full-time role before being willing to have him higher in your rankings? I definitely understand that, but the key to dynasty more than another other format is speculation and foresight, and I would rather buy-low on Green than at retail once everyone else has also had the time to realize exactly what you have by that point. I'll personally take my chances on a gamble like Green who has the better foundation in place then a Reed or Eifert whose only real difference is the fact that they are being fully implemented into the offense earlier and aren't waiting in line being a future HOFer. Honestly, Green is a more safe bet then either of those guys in my opinion. It's just a matter of Gates retiring so the starting gate can swing open.

 
Phenix said:
Ghost Rider said:
He had 5 targets the last two weeks, and then had 6 today. Definitely trending upward.
Gates and his hurt hammy had 9. Until he is out of the picture I do not think you can roll Green and just keep hoping for TDs. (in redraft)
I absolutely think you can keep rolling out Green and hoping for touchdowns. The lack of catches concerns me, but the targets are keeping me from shopping on the waiver wire for a tight end this weekend. He has big play ability and is red hot right now....Can you name 5 tight ends you would start over him without question? I can't. My only other options are on the waiver wire right now....so Green is locked into my playoff roster right now.
I think this may be my strategy going forward (Jordan Reed owner here). I need to start looking at other options quickly, and Green may be the best of a (very) bad lot.

 
It's worth noting (per Mike Clay from PFF) that Green was in for 61 of 67 snaps. Gates played a similar amount, so San Diego was running a number of two TE sets.

Clay also stated that they ran a similar number of passing routes, although the exact numbers weren't provided.

 
It's worth noting (per Mike Clay from PFF) that Green was in for 61 of 67 snaps. Gates played a similar amount, so San Diego was running a number of two TE sets.

Clay also stated that they ran a similar number of passing routes, although the exact numbers weren't provided.
Great info. Thanks.

 
It's worth noting (per Mike Clay from PFF) that Green was in for 61 of 67 snaps. Gates played a similar amount, so San Diego was running a number of two TE sets.

Clay also stated that they ran a similar number of passing routes, although the exact numbers weren't provided.
woah
 

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