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Ladell Betts made a stupid decision (1 Viewer)

weisguy0831

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God he could have commanded a lot of money in the offseason. You think the Jets would like to have him? Or any number of other teams?

320 yards in the last two games. And he signs to be a backup. Dumb.

 
God he could have commanded a lot of money in the offseason. You think the Jets would like to have him? Or any number of other teams? 320 yards in the last two games. And he signs to be a backup. Dumb.
Washington made a great business move! Betts looks even better than Portis in this offense. They can trade Portis, keep Duckett as a backup and have more cash to spend on other players.
 
Yeah, anyone think that it maybe is not all about money with him. I played against him in HS in suburban Kansas City (Blue Springs HS) and he is a classy guy. Somehow I do not see Ladell pissing and moaning because he only has 10 million as opposed to 20 million.

 
Maybe he likes his role, his team, his city etc. etc. Sometimes money isn't the only/best/biggest factor one should use to decide their actions.

 
God he could have commanded a lot of money in the offseason. You think the Jets would like to have him? Or any number of other teams? 320 yards in the last two games. And he signs to be a backup. Dumb.
Washington made a great business move! Betts looks even better than Portis in this offense. They can trade Portis, keep Duckett as a backup and have more cash to spend on other players.
Good luck finding a team that will give Snyder what he wants for Portis plus pay Portis' salary. I believe Portis also has $17 million in tiered bonus money so that could also make it tougher. 2006 585000.002007 3500000.002008 5048500.002009 6627000.002010 7690500.002011 8754000.00
 
Maybe he likes his role, his team, his city etc. etc. Sometimes money isn't the only/best/biggest factor one should use to decide their actions.
I wasn't saying he made a mistake financially. He chose security over possibilities. But he also chose to be a backup and I think most athletes would have a problem with that mentality.
 
God he could have commanded a lot of money in the offseason. You think the Jets would like to have him? Or any number of other teams? 320 yards in the last two games. And he signs to be a backup. Dumb.
Washington made a great business move! Betts looks even better than Portis in this offense. They can trade Portis, keep Duckett as a backup and have more cash to spend on other players.
Good luck finding a team that will give Snyder what he wants for Portis plus pay Portis' salary. I believe Portis also has $17 million in tiered bonus money so that could also make it tougher. 2006 585000.002007 3500000.002008 5048500.002009 6627000.002010 7690500.002011 8754000.00
Portis is not going anywhere. Optimally, I think this offense affords Portis 300 carries and Betts 200 carries over the course of a season. Portis has broken down from too much use every year in Washington, so it's a lesson I'm praying that they learn. Duckett is the odd man out, which actually is great for him but painful for the 'Skins given that they gave up a 3rd to get him.
 
If you want a feel for Ladell, the person, go to redskins.com and look at his post-game interview that's currently up on the site.

Link.

 
maybe he knows something about portis that we don't? maybe he knows he is a better fit for them than portis and is will ing to put it on the line the next few years to beat him out. just because portis costs more doesn't mean he is guaranteed to start in todays nfl. it is a what have you done for me lately situation.

 
maybe he knows something about portis that we don't? maybe he knows he is a better fit for them than portis and is will ing to put it on the line the next few years to beat him out. just because portis costs more doesn't mean he is guaranteed to start in todays nfl. it is a what have you done for me lately situation.
Portis is one of the most talented RBs in football. While Bett's running style might be a better fit for that offense, Clinton more than makes up for it in pure talent. And from what I heard, Clinton did have some trouble adjusting after spending his first two years in Denver's zone blocking scheme, but he had finally picked it up. The numbers support this. As long as Clinton is healthy, there's no way he he's not the feature back. I do agree with Redman that the Skins should try to limit Clinton to about 300 carries.
 
Yeah, anyone think that it maybe is not all about money with him. I played against him in HS in suburban Kansas City (Blue Springs HS) and he is a classy guy. Somehow I do not see Ladell pissing and moaning because he only has 10 million as opposed to 20 million.
Where did you play in KC?
 
maybe he knows something about portis that we don't? maybe he knows he is a better fit for them than portis and is will ing to put it on the line the next few years to beat him out. just because portis costs more doesn't mean he is guaranteed to start in todays nfl. it is a what have you done for me lately situation.
Portis is one of the most talented RBs in football. While Bett's running style might be a better fit for that offense, Clinton more than makes up for it in pure talent. And from what I heard, Clinton did have some trouble adjusting after spending his first two years in Denver's zone blocking scheme, but he had finally picked it up. The numbers support this. As long as Clinton is healthy, there's no way he he's not the feature back. I do agree with Redman that the Skins should try to limit Clinton to about 300 carries.
:goodposting: I have no idea what people are thinking on here sometimes. This is the first year Portis has been dinged up. The main reason is making a tackle in preseason. It's not like he's some brittle back about to lose his job.
 
maybe he knows something about portis that we don't? maybe he knows he is a better fit for them than portis and is will ing to put it on the line the next few years to beat him out. just because portis costs more doesn't mean he is guaranteed to start in todays nfl. it is a what have you done for me lately situation.
Portis is one of the most talented RBs in football. While Bett's running style might be a better fit for that offense, Clinton more than makes up for it in pure talent. And from what I heard, Clinton did have some trouble adjusting after spending his first two years in Denver's zone blocking scheme, but he had finally picked it up. The numbers support this. As long as Clinton is healthy, there's no way he he's not the feature back. I do agree with Redman that the Skins should try to limit Clinton to about 300 carries.
:goodposting: I have no idea what people are thinking on here sometimes. This is the first year Portis has been dinged up. The main reason is making a tackle in preseason. It's not like he's some brittle back about to lose his job.
Agreed. Coming into this season he had never missed more than 2 games in a season. I think he'll come into next season stronger than ever after a half season of rest and the whole offseason to rehab.
 
maybe he knows something about portis that we don't? maybe he knows he is a better fit for them than portis and is will ing to put it on the line the next few years to beat him out. just because portis costs more doesn't mean he is guaranteed to start in todays nfl. it is a what have you done for me lately situation.
Portis is one of the most talented RBs in football. While Bett's running style might be a better fit for that offense, Clinton more than makes up for it in pure talent. And from what I heard, Clinton did have some trouble adjusting after spending his first two years in Denver's zone blocking scheme, but he had finally picked it up. The numbers support this. As long as Clinton is healthy, there's no way he he's not the feature back. I do agree with Redman that the Skins should try to limit Clinton to about 300 carries.
:goodposting: I have no idea what people are thinking on here sometimes. This is the first year Portis has been dinged up. The main reason is making a tackle in preseason. It's not like he's some brittle back about to lose his job.
Agreed. Coming into this season he had never missed more than 2 games in a season. I think he'll come into next season stronger than ever after a half season of rest and the whole offseason to rehab.
I generally agree with you, but I'll add some detail: Portis is a very tough guy who doesn't miss many games but that's not the same thing as being 100% healthy. Late last year he had a shoulder injury that greatly inhibited him at the end of the season and in the playoffs. He didn't miss any games but it definitely affected his play. He also had a shoulder injury at the end of the 2004 season. (This happens a lot given how well he runs "behind his pads" when carrying the ball, and also given his ferocity in pass blocking.) This year he didn't have a single game that he played fully healthy, and most of his games he had multiple problems. He only rarely looked like the RB we've all come to know through the first four years of his career. Because of how hard he plays we often forget that he's only a 210 lb. RB. We see him lower his shoulder and carry people or launch himself into a blitzing LB to pass block and forget about his size but you know that that's going to take a toll on his body. I don't think Portis is going to have much of a career past 30 years old just based upon the way he plays. The value of Ladell Betts, over and above Betts' talent in its own right, is that he gives the Redskins a very capable backup to Portis who allows them to run their full offense when he's in the game. That he's a loyal, quiet and hard working guy is just gravy.
 
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Yeah, anyone think that it maybe is not all about money with him. I played against him in HS in suburban Kansas City (Blue Springs HS) and he is a classy guy. Somehow I do not see Ladell pissing and moaning because he only has 10 million as opposed to 20 million.
Thats right and he went on to play for the Iowa Hawkeyes.....he is a fantastic human being. Met him once. The Redskins have a class act player with Betts. Anyone who thinks he is stupid has not met Earl Campbell lately.
 
Maybe he likes his role, his team, his city etc. etc. Sometimes money isn't the only/best/biggest factor one should use to decide their actions.
I wasn't saying he made a mistake financially. He chose security over possibilities. But he also chose to be a backup and I think most athletes would have a problem with that mentality.
I disagree....I think you will see more of a RBBC in DC next year, with Portis and Betts having much closer to a 50/50 split in carries than we have seen before
 
Maybe he likes his role, his team, his city etc. etc. Sometimes money isn't the only/best/biggest factor one should use to decide their actions.
I wasn't saying he made a mistake financially. He chose security over possibilities. But he also chose to be a backup and I think most athletes would have a problem with that mentality.
Your mentality is way off on this. Betts did the right thing. The RB market is always in favor of the owners during the offseason.
 
Portis is great when healthy but he hasn't proved he can stay healthy the past couple of years. Nagging injuries here and there for him.....how much can the Skins rely on him carrying the load? I think the Redskins were smart to sign Betts as insurance. As a Betts dynasty owner, I didn't want this to happen, I was hoping he'd test the market. I may offer him to the Portis owner now, but I don't think he'll command much. I guess I'm going to have to hold him and if the Portis owner is interested have him approach me.

 
Problem is Betts is basically saying I don't want to be a starter (or rather can't handle it). It would be similar to Turner the Burner resigning with the Chargers. Either you want/can be a starter, or you think you are more a backup RB.....Betts has spoken....

 
Problem is Betts is basically saying I don't want to be a starter (or rather can't handle it). It would be similar to Turner the Burner resigning with the Chargers. Either you want/can be a starter, or you think you are more a backup RB.....Betts has spoken....
I love fantasy footballers preaching about what the proper career ambitions should be for a NFL player! :lmao:Why is this a "problem"? Nobody before this year was talking about Betts as a good prospect to start somewhere else. Contrast that with Turner who's never started but who has been labelled a future starter/star since his rookie season. Betts probably isn't as good as Turner as a candidate for a starting RB job, and he's realistically assessed that. He recognized that if he went to another team he'd essentially be in the same situation, competing for a starting job, and that he'd not be assured of any particular advantage in that contest. He also recognized that the Redskins valued him and knew how to use him already, and he also liked playing for that team, liked its fan base and likes to live in that area. I fail to see the mystery, just as I fail to see the basis for criticism.
 
There is also the fact that now he has the money. If he waits for the upcoming offseason and has a career ending injury in the last three weeks, then he walks away with nothing. I am sure he figures that $5 million is a nice option to the possibility of $0.

 
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Dude may be a class act, but he is also a sucker with a bad agent. He should have gotten more money even to stay a backup in Washington. I mean c'mon, even a 33 year old Mike Anderson is making $2-3 million per year.

 
It's not like Betts was going to get a starting RB gig next year anyway. Any team he signed with would have a competition for their starting job, which wouldn't guarantee him much of anything

 
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I may be the only one but I think the difference between the 2006 salary and the 2008 salary is pretty big.IIRC the overall contract was for 63M which means there is 30 million in option, performance or signing bomuses to account for. With Snyder and his capologist being known for back loading contracts there could be significant bonuses coming up that we are not aware of from these numbers.I'm not saying that Portis might not be worth it, the dollar/cap value might just be a consideration. At some point in time the cap charge of trading him will be smaller than the salary and if he gets injured in the future (freak accident or otherwise) that might play into the game.
 
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I may be the only one but I think the difference between the 2006 salary and the 2008 salary is pretty big.IIRC the overall contract was for 63M which means there is 30 million in option, performance or signing bomuses to account for. With Snyder and his capologist being known for back loading contracts there could be significant bonuses coming up that we are not aware of from these numbers.I'm not saying that Portis might not be worth it, the dollar/cap value might just be a consideration. At some point in time the cap charge of trading him will be smaller than the salary and if he gets injured in the future (freak accident or otherwise) that might play into the game.
The other interpretation - consistent with past practices - is that they will renegotiate after 2008 with another back-loaded contract with a new signing bonus . . . that is, if they retain Betts at all after that point. The cap hit either way will not be much, and remember that the salary cap keeps going up meaning that each dollar now against the cap is worth less in the future.
 
Maybe he likes his role, his team, his city etc. etc. Sometimes money isn't the only/best/biggest factor one should use to decide their actions.
I wasn't saying he made a mistake financially. He chose security over possibilities. But he also chose to be a backup and I think most athletes would have a problem with that mentality.
Your mentality is way off on this. Betts did the right thing. The RB market is always in favor of the owners during the offseason.
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Poor guy can't catch a break. If he's healthy he could be a starter in Week 1 for the Broncos. He's probably not healthy, but he had a good preseason game the other day.

 
OP was right, he should have gotten the most money while he could. However, it is likely that he wouldn't have lasted that long if not "protected" by hiding in the depth chart of the Skins. The Skins have had a tendency of keeping players past their prime/effectiveness because they are nice guys.

 

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