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Lady Gaga and progressive Christianity (1 Viewer)

timschochet

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Interesting article on Lady Gaga in advance of today's halftime show: 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/02/05/the-gospel-according-to-lady-gaga/?client=safari

She is a very progressive, very religious Christian, which doesn't fit in today's society. Secularist fans and religious right critics both tend to ignore her deep faith. 

Meanwhile, the NRA is warning her not to criticize Trump during her show. I'm sure she'll take that to heart. 

 
I hope she goes off on Trump 
Want to see Tom Brady play football and Gaga sing...really do not care about her or any entertainers political views.

Wonder how Pacman Jones feels about tax cuts?

 
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If they were smart they would have put a clause in her contract.  Sure you can spew your political views, but it will cost you $1 million per word.  

 
I think she'll say something generically inclusive at the beginning of Born This Way and that's about it. I'll be too drunk by then though.

 
I do not like listening about the religious beliefs of others nor do I view strong convictions / faith as a positive. Not sure why it's nearly always presented that way

 
So, you have no strong convictions or faith that whatever it is you believe is true?  That seems to be an odd position to take.
I think the problem comes in when that's all you have is faith.  It's always nice to have some reason to believe what you believe, otherwise it's just blind faith, which I agree can be very dangerous.

 
So, you have no strong convictions or faith that whatever it is you believe is true?  That seems to be an odd position to take.
I'm generally with ShaqAttack on this.

People are generally highly overconfident in their beliefs. Ask someone to estimate the probability that his position is correct on some controversial political issue (where experts in the relevant field are themselves split) and he's quite likely to say 90% or 95% even when nothing greater than 60% can be rationally justified. People should generally hold fewer strong convictions rather than more of them.

And while there may be a role for believing certain things on faith, that role is pretty narrow, IMO. It's almost always better to go with the available evidence rather than against it.

 
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I'm generally with ShaqAttack on this.

People are generally highly overconfident in their beliefs. Ask someone to estimate the probability that his position is correct on some controversial political issue (where experts in the relevant field are themselves split) and he's quite likely to say 90% or 95% even when nothing greater than 60% can be rationally justified. People should generally hold fewer strong convictions rather than more of them.

And while there may be a role for believing certain things on faith, that role is pretty narrow, IMO. It's almost always better to go with the available evidence rather than against it.
I'm an atheist, but I don't think religious beliefs should be compared to other beliefs such as political. At least theoretically, the latter are open to reason and fact. 

 
I'm OK with strong religious convictions as long as it's paired with a humility that those convictions should remain personal and not impact the lives of others. 

 
Don't know what she's going to say but she's been uber hot in a skanky way in all the promos I've seen leading up to today.  Skanky.Uber.Hot 

 
So you're basically not ok with strong religious convictions then. 
This is a big generalization.  I know people who have strong religious convictions that also understand their beliefs are ultimately personal and respect the rights of others not to live under their religious ideals.  

 
 She can believe whatever she wants.  Not many people care.  Nice poke at NRA,  though.  Nothing to do with anything. 

 
I do not like listening about the religious beliefs of others nor do I view strong convictions / faith as a positive. Not sure why it's nearly always presented that way
What you mean you didn't care to hear about Tim Tebow's savior for about 2 years straight? No way!

 
 She can believe whatever she wants.  Not many people care.  Nice poke at NRA,  though.  Nothing to do with anything. 
I'm not sure I follow.  You can debate whether it's newsworthy but an NRA TV commentator's statements regarding the choice of Lady Gaga as a performer and what she should or shouldn't say has received news coverage.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/entertainment/music/sd-et-music-gaga-nra-20170204-story.html

(There are a bunch of articles out there, I grabbed the first one that came up in a search.)

Lady Gaga has already made history with her Super Bowl halftime performance, even though it won’t happen until early Sunday evening at the midway point between the Atlanta Falcons/New England Patriots’ NFL championship game in Houston.

She is the first halftime show performer to receive an admonition from the National Rifle Association about what she should — or, rather, should not — do during her Super Bowl performance.

Speaking on NRA TV, conservative political commentator Bill Whittle strongly implored Gaga to leave any political statements out of her 13-minute Sunday performance at Houston’s NRG Stadium.

Whittle began by taking a shot at the NFL for picking Gaga just a year after Beyoncé fueled criticism from conservative corners for her 2016 Super Bowl halftime show performance. It featured the live debut of her overtly political song “Formation,” which found her and her dancers wearing quasi-military outfits inspired by the Black Panthers. 

“Once again they’ve chosen a gigantic progressive mouthpiece for their Super Bowl halftime,” Whittle charged.

“I can remember days when Michael Jackson or somebody would do the Super Bowl and politics didn’t enter into it because they understood that they’re performing for the entire nation and not for the staff at MSNBC.”

(For the record, Jackson’s 1993 Super Bowl performance had a clear political and social bent, thanks to his inclusion of the songs “Black or White,” “Heal the World,” "Why You Wanna Trip On Me" and “We Are the World.”)

“I think if Lady Gaga comes out there and makes this an anti-Trump tirade, I think that’s really the final step of the declaration of war between our pop culture people and the actual citizens,” Whittle continued.

“This is not the Kennedy Awards. This isn’t the Oscars. This is the Super Bowl where real Americans get together and have a real fun day and the last thing they want to hear is how stupid and racist they are.”

How political or apolitical will Gaga’s performance be?

That remains to be seen.

 

 
 
Interesting article on Lady Gaga in advance of today's halftime show: 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/02/05/the-gospel-according-to-lady-gaga/?client=safari

She is a very progressive, very religious Christian, which doesn't fit in today's society. Secularist fans and religious right critics both tend to ignore her deep faith. 

Meanwhile, the NRA is warning her not to criticize Trump during her show. I'm sure she'll take that to heart. 
Tim I'm going to just post directly to you since much of this thread will (and already has) become a bashing of people of "faith."

I agree it's interesting for those of us who do have faith.  Her position is becoming MUCH more prevalent among Christians, and even more traditionally right-wing evangelicals, especially among people under 40 years of age or so.  Both of my nieces (32 and 26) and their families hold to essentially the same views as Gaga.  I think the line of demarcation is essentially the right wing of the church wants to legislate morality and have the government become smaller and leave social justice to the church while the left wing wants to legislate social justice and have the church stay out of imposing morality. There are some logical issues on both sides of that argument and I am probably oversimplifying a bit but I do see this as a major cultural shift within the church that a large part of mainstream Christianity is not handling very well.

 
I am more worried about her getting hurt if they truly are going to be flying hundreds of drones around her during her performance. 

 
I am pretty sure Christ would have a pretty strong take on refugees. 
don't wanna argue Christ, but i disagree. 'til everybody's heart is right, everybody's wrong and nothing matters til that gets took care of' is the way i see him seeing the world today and we all know deep down we all wrong

 
don't wanna argue Christ, but i disagree. 'til everybody's heart is right, everybody's wrong and nothing matters til that gets took care of' is the way i see him seeing the world today and we all know deep down we all wrong
Yeah even Jesus didn't understand that.

 
If I was a public figure, I would probably say I'm a Christian too.  That is a big revenue base to cut off.

And when I toured China, I would be a Buddhist.

 
Interesting article on Lady Gaga in advance of today's halftime show: 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/02/05/the-gospel-according-to-lady-gaga/?client=safari

She is a very progressive, very religious Christian, which doesn't fit in today's society. Secularist fans and religious right critics both tend to ignore her deep faith. 

Meanwhile, the NRA is warning her not to criticize Trump during her show. I'm sure she'll take that to heart. 
I find it hard to believe she's very religious

 
Interesting article on Lady Gaga in advance of today's halftime show: 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/02/05/the-gospel-according-to-lady-gaga/?client=safari

She is a very progressive, very religious Christian, which doesn't fit in today's society. Secularist fans and religious right critics both tend to ignore her deep faith. 

Meanwhile, the NRA is warning her not to criticize Trump during her show. I'm sure she'll take that to heart. 
 The author of the article put it better, that "she simply doesn’t fit in the controlling narrative, endorsed by both the secular left and the religious right, that relegates religion be the sole domain of social conservatism."

She fits just fine in today's society.

 

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