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The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Well that sucks. His back is hurt so bad that he can't walk? Well the Raiders have a bye so two weeks rest will make him all better. 
Big Blue Wrecking Crew
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Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Warpig
Footballguy
Well that sucks. His back is hurt so bad that he can't walk? Well the Raiders have a bye so two weeks rest will make him all better.
Insert Dominic Rhodes.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
After the way Fargas played yesterday?Well that sucks. His back is hurt so bad that he can't walk? Well the Raiders have a bye so two weeks rest will make him all better.
Warpig
Footballguy
Good point. But I think Miami may have given up shortly after he came in, if not before.Did you see those poor excuses for tackle attempts? Wow...just wow. And these guys get paid millions of dollars.After the way Fargas played yesterday?Well that sucks. His back is hurt so bad that he can't walk? Well the Raiders have a bye so two weeks rest will make him all better.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
If Jordan plays/is healthy, there's no RBBC.
btw, does anyone know exactly what kind of back injuy Jordan has or had been struggling with?
Is it a muscular thing or a vertebrae thing or what? Lower back? upper back? All I've ever heard about this injury is that it's his back, but I've never seen it specified anywhere what kind of injury it is.
Is it a muscular thing or a vertebrae thing or what? Lower back? upper back? All I've ever heard about this injury is that it's his back, but I've never seen it specified anywhere what kind of injury it is.
Big Score
Footballguy
Ksquared
Footballguy
Couch Potato (lives near Oakland) stated Jordan hurt his back originally in a pick up softball game during training camp swinging a bat, but had seemed to not have any real problems with it since training camp.
Judging by the way Jordan left the field, and everything we've heard since the injury, I don't think you can count on him being the same all year. How does a lower back injury NOT get aggravated - RBs take so many hits, it seems like he'll just be a ticking time bomb - not to mention that when your back is out of whack, nothing seems to work right. I would be trying to work the trade angle hard right now before worse news comes out.
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
Exactly. It's either the Lamont Jordan show or he's in street clothes. If he can suit up he's the primary ball carrier. If not, Rhodes and Fargas are going to spit somehow. With the versatility that Culp brings to the offense, I could see the running game thriving even without Jordan.
CalBear
Footballguy
I agree that Jordan is unlikely to be an RBBC member; he's healthy and the workhorse, or injured and out.I think the RBBC would likely be three backs; in the Jordan-out scenario the team would probably activate Echemandu, unless Fargas proves that this week wasn't a fluke (which it was).
Club Leftwich
Footballguy
Yeah, I watched the game and am still not buying Fargas as a starting RB getting most of the carries. Jordan had already softened up what is a bad run defense to start with. The Dolphins unloaded a lot of veteran defensive linemen in the off season and the lack of depth there has been evident all year. Zach Thomas was also out, of course. Also, as mentioned, it kinda looked like the Fins quit out there.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Fargas isn't nearly durable enough to carry the load himself.
BroadwayG
Footballguy
22 Carries for 179 yards says different.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
As noted earlier, Miami's D was completely ineffective. Also note that I am not saying Fargas doesn't have talent, simply that he has shown that he can't take the punishment a feature back receives.
BroadwayG
Footballguy
When has he shown that?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Based on what? This is what I didn't want this thread to turn into--a bunch of speculation. This site used to be a great source for injury updates, etc. It is still great for info, but on issues like this it becomes nearly impossible to get and factual info. Unless you're a doctor then people aren't asking for opinions. What happens with opinions on this board is that they get turned into facts in other threads. As a doctor, I can tell you that what I have read from the team(which is in post #2 of this thread) this does not sound just muscular. I'd like to know of any studies he has had done--xrays, MRI, etc.Sorry for the rant. Any updates?
North
Footballguy
Lets get 1 thing straight, Fargas has been there for 5 years now and he is NOT a feature back. He had a good game against a Miami D that was already beat down.
LJ's injury WILL be something that will stick with him all year. Anyone who has ever had a back injury will tell you that it lingers until something is done about it. It has progressively gotten worse as the season has gone on and it will continue to do so.
Dominic Rhodes was brought in for a reason. Management didn't like what they saw last year so they brought in Rhodes as insurance and now he will have an opportunity to showcase his skills and the reason they brought him in. I think Rhodes will get the majority of the carries if Jordan is out.
BTW I don't own Rhodes.
LJ's injury WILL be something that will stick with him all year. Anyone who has ever had a back injury will tell you that it lingers until something is done about it. It has progressively gotten worse as the season has gone on and it will continue to do so.
Dominic Rhodes was brought in for a reason. Management didn't like what they saw last year so they brought in Rhodes as insurance and now he will have an opportunity to showcase his skills and the reason they brought him in. I think Rhodes will get the majority of the carries if Jordan is out.
BTW I don't own Rhodes.
CalBear
Footballguy
Except that Rhodes sucks, so he'll be equalled or outperformed by the other backs on the roster.
massraider
Footballguy
By getting dinged up his entire career.And one game of 22 carries doesn't say different. It is just one game. Carrying the load is 20 carries for multiple games. By the way, he pulled himself from the game after getting bashed by Darius in yesterday's game.Nothing I'd love more than for Fargas to turn into Terrell Davis. But this is a fantasy football discussion, and people are wondering if he can be the lead dog. Observers of Fargas' career in Oakland (heck, in college), would mostly agree that he can't carry the ball 250+ times in a season.
This article suggests that Rhodes would be the feature back if Jordan is out.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/raiders/ci_7051530
http://www.contracostatimes.com/raiders/ci_7051530
RavensUNFL
Footballguy
As a life long Raider Fan I would love to think Fargas was just waiting for his chance to showcase his talent.. but unfortunately I do not think that is the case. I think the Raiders just punched Miami in the mouth and they never recovered and it probably could have been any Raider RB doing that damage. Fargas was brittle in college and even has missed time in the pro's despite his limited carries. After watching all the pre-season games I really thought Adimchinobe Echemandu was going to have a shot at backing up Jordan, I thought he looked very good, broke a lot of tackles, and gained yards after the initial contact, which in the past has been something Fargas has never done. I am not a big fan of Dominic Rhodes either, I think with the talent around him in Indy he really never posted that great of numbers, aside from his playoff/SB run last year. I guess I am hoping Jordan will be back quickly because I think the Raiders will continue to surprise teams with that running game, but it does require a good back and aside from Jordan I am not positive we have one. Hopefully I am wrong if Jordan's injury is going to linger for weeks.
There is an intelligent response, based upon what? Going into the last preseason game he and Jordan were neck and neck for the starter job. He did not start in indy? He was behind Edge and split time with Addai, who happen to be well above average backs. When he has had a chance he taken advatage and while he is not a great back he has not exactly"sucked". Here are his #'sCAREER STATS RUSHING RECEIVING FUMBLES Stats Team G GS ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG TD FUM LOST 2001 Colts 15 10 233 1104 4.7 77 9 34 224 6.6 0 6 6 2003 Colts 11 0 37 157 4.2 25 0 6 62 10.3 1 0 0 2004 Colts 16 0 53 254 4.8 55 1 2 24 12.0 0 2 1 2005 Colts 13 1 40 118 3.0 24 4 12 88 7.3 0 2 2 2006 Colts 16 16 187 641 3.4 17 5 36 251 7.0 0 3 3 Career 71 27 550 2274 4.1 77 19 90 649 7.2 1 13 12 He probably will not be a stud but he has had similar #'s to JordanTeam G GS ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG TD FUM LOST 2001 Jets 16 0 39 292 7.5 46 1 7 44 6.3 1 0 0 2002 Jets 14 0 84 316 3.8 61 3 17 160 9.4 0 4 2 2003 Jets 16 0 46 190 4.1 39 4 11 101 9.2 0 0 0 2004 Jets 16 0 93 479 5.2 33 2 15 112 7.5 0 1 0 2005 Raiders 14 14 272 1025 3.8 26 9 70 563 8.0 2 2 1 2006 Raiders 9 8 114 434 3.8 59 2 10 74 7.4 0 1 1 2007 Raiders 4 4 84 424 5.0 33 2 12 128 10.7 0 0 0 Career 89 26 732 3160 4.3 61 23 142 1182 8.3 3 8 4 If Jordan was doing well I see no reason that Rhodes can not also given the opportunity.
amnesiac
beer is good
unable to put weight on the lower back = not muscular.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Not nice.
Knight who says Ni
Footballguy
What exactly was the nature of his injury last year - I keep hearing that he had back issues last year, but never anything more specific than that.Ni?
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Oakland does have their bye this upcoming weekend, so I guess we won't know much more until next week. Unless, Jordan is seriously injured and were talking about missing several weeks.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
As a basketball fan/Houston homer I can tell you this:
Lower back injuries are as bad as knee injuries. it turns superstars into trash and megastars into mortal men. After watching a 6'7" explosive forward who was able to do 360 dunks with ease reduced to not being able to dunk at all(Larry Johnson the other one). And after watching McGrady leave game after game without any contact leads me to believe that this wont go away anytime soon. if i'm not mistaken this is what put Deion Sanders out of the game the first time. But then again everyones body is different and responds differently but the way he could carry his own weight was not a good sign.
Lower back injuries are as bad as knee injuries. it turns superstars into trash and megastars into mortal men. After watching a 6'7" explosive forward who was able to do 360 dunks with ease reduced to not being able to dunk at all(Larry Johnson the other one). And after watching McGrady leave game after game without any contact leads me to believe that this wont go away anytime soon. if i'm not mistaken this is what put Deion Sanders out of the game the first time. But then again everyones body is different and responds differently but the way he could carry his own weight was not a good sign.
CalBear
Footballguy
Based upon the fact that in the past two years, playing in one of the best offenses in the league, he averaged 3.0 and 3.4 ypc, while the feature backs averaged 4.2 and 4.8. And based on the fact that, during pre-season, he consistently looked to initiate contact and go down, which led to him averaging 2.4 ypc against defensive scrubs.My guess based on info available today:Jordan sits in week 6. Rhodes gets 15 carries for 35 yards, Fargas gets 10 carries for 38 yards, Echemandu gets 5 carries for 25 yards, and the coaching staff has some tough questions on their hands.
Big Score
Footballguy
I cut the stats out from the above quoted post as they were just too confusing (hint to all posters - use the "CODE" tag for large stat quotes - it helps clean it up)In particular I wanted to highlight the "he has had similar #'s to Jordan" argument for Rhodes as I've seen quite a few posters use it.
Think about that statement for a minute.
Rhodes, while IN INDY'S OFFENSE, has comparable numbers to Jordan.
I just don't expect that much from Rhodes, if he was only able to put up similar numbers to Jordan, while playing in a far, far, far superior offense.
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LawFitz
Footballguy
Uh, Rhodes did it with the Colts while Jordan did it on the Jets and Raiders. Judging by their preseason performances with the first team, Jordan grossly outperformed Rhodes. My guess is RBBC until Jordan is healthy.BTW, the sleeper here is not Rhodes or Fargas. It's Adim Echimandu. He's the closest thing to Jordan's skill set on this roster and if he gets the opportunity, I think he will put up similar numbers.
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
Ok 1st off I refuse to be fooled again on Fargas circa 2003 , don't get caught up with this brittle man, hes worse than Chris Brown in the health dept.
Rhodes is all heart/roids no skills.
LaMont can be an effective RB but is also known to get dinged up
BUT
IF Joe E got a shot man, I know this guy could be a consistent workhorse, I hope he gets a shot down the road.
Rhodes is all heart/roids no skills.
LaMont can be an effective RB but is also known to get dinged up
BUT
IF Joe E got a shot man, I know this guy could be a consistent workhorse, I hope he gets a shot down the road.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I've never understood statments like "Hello RBBC", just because a guy gets hurt. More times than not, once the starter is healthy he gets same load he had before the injury. Now it may be RBBC between Rhodes and Fargas while Jordan is out, and that makes more sense.
massraider
Footballguy
On the PUP list, can't do a thing until after 6 games. Beyond that, there's no info out there. Before the season, Bush was making noise about being ready to go, but I think the Raiders were planning to PUP him the day they drafted him.RE: Echemandu. Love to see it happen, he looked great in the preseason, but I dunno.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
That's just the thing though, getting a shot. Considering the money they spent on Rhodes, I think it's safe to say he'll get quite the credit before they yank him in favor of Joe E. That is, if Jordan even misses all that much time with his back.
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speaking strictly as someone who is (or WAS) athletic and has lower back flare-ups, once you have lower back problems, it is very difficult to rid yourself of the occasional flare-up or spasms. there are core strengthening exercises and techniques you can use to reduce chance for the flare-up, but a running back in the nfl is exposed to constant muscular strain that would increase that possibility. if jordan has chronic lower back problems, it's not something that will just disappear next year or the year after... it will always be lurking.
this is just my opinion (non-medical), but it would seem to be muscular (spasms/ sprain). if it were bone fractures or spine related, i highly doubt jordan would have been walking around on crutches in the locker room after the game - he would most likely be in the hospital. and contrary to one of the posts above, not being able to put weight on the lower back does NOT mean that it cannot be muscular. a lower back in spasm can literally sap the strength from your legs, and make it almost impossible to put weight on your back or stand up straight... or even find a comfortable position for that matter.
as a jordan owner, i'm just hoping it a lower back strain of the minor variety.
this is just my opinion (non-medical), but it would seem to be muscular (spasms/ sprain). if it were bone fractures or spine related, i highly doubt jordan would have been walking around on crutches in the locker room after the game - he would most likely be in the hospital. and contrary to one of the posts above, not being able to put weight on the lower back does NOT mean that it cannot be muscular. a lower back in spasm can literally sap the strength from your legs, and make it almost impossible to put weight on your back or stand up straight... or even find a comfortable position for that matter.
as a jordan owner, i'm just hoping it a lower back strain of the minor variety.
