LaMont Jordan (1 Viewer)

[Yitbos69]

LaMont Jordan has more than a few ? surrounding him going into the 2007 season. Will he get healthy and stay healthy for 16 games? How much will Rhodes cut into his carries?

The guy was a top 10 draft pick in most (ADP 9th) Re-draft and DYNASTY leagues. Will he make a come back?

2007 projections:

282/1100/8 40/320/1

 

[knobby]

If he stays healthy:

275 carries for 1, 073 yards (both career highs)

40 receptions for 316 yards

8 TD rushing 2 TD rec.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Heres what u need to take into account..

Lamont is about 29 yrs old

Hes on the worst team in the league w/ the worst O-Line

Rhodes is gona challange him this yr for the #1 spot and may take it from him

I say cut your #s in half and pray for 5 TDs

 

[knobby]

Heres what u need to take into account..Lamont is about 29 yrs oldHes on the worst team in the league w/ the worst O-LineRhodes is gona challange him this yr for the #1 spot and may take it from himI say cut your #s in half and pray for 5 TDs

All good points. Last season the Raiders only rushed for 1,519 yards, but I think they could improve just a little. If he stays healthy, I think Jordan has a legit shot for 1,000 yards.

 

[Warpig]

Heres what u need to take into account..Lamont is about 29 yrs oldHes on the worst team in the league w/ the worst O-LineRhodes is gona challange him this yr for the #1 spot and may take it from himI say cut your #s in half and pray for 5 TDs

Rhodes is 28 isn't he? No spring chicken himself. He started 10 games in 2001 when Edge was hurt and he had his best year. Since then he's only started 17 games and split carries in every one...16 of those were last year! I'm a Rhodes owner, but I'm not expecting much from him except maybe a bye week filler. Lamont is built better to take a beating and would have a better chance of lasting the season. Rhodes will be the COP and 3DB I suspect to add another dimension to the offense...maybe a Reggie Bush role at best?

 

[Yitbos69]

Heres what u need to take into account..Lamont is about 29 yrs oldHes on the worst team in the league w/ the worst O-LineRhodes is gona challange him this yr for the #1 spot and may take it from himI say cut your #s in half and pray for 5 TDs

he's 28(2 months older than Rhodes) will not be 29 until November and only has 648 career carries not saying your projection is wrong just LaMonts age!The key for LaMont is to stay Healthy.

 

[David Yudkin]

If the Raiders loved Jordan so much then why did they make him take a pay cut and add Rhodes. Neither one of those leads me to believe that he will be getting 350 touches this year.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

If the Raiders loved Jordan so much then why did they make him take a pay cut and add Rhodes. Neither one of those leads me to believe that he will be getting 350 touches this year.

a voice of reason.

 

[5Rings]

If he stays healthy:275 carries for 1, 073 yards (both career highs)40 receptions for 316 yards 8 TD rushing 2 TD rec.

200-740, 2 tds18-130, 0- tds

 

[zamboni]

If the Raiders loved Jordan so much then why did they make him take a pay cut and add Rhodes. Neither one of those leads me to believe that he will be getting 350 touches this year.

I agree they seem to have soured on him, but that bonus seemed to be out of whack even if he had a decent year last year.Rhodes will indeed be in line for some carries, but I think the weaknesses of his game will shine through quite a bit now that he's not running behind Peyton and the Colts' OL.

 

[Fallerjw]

If he stays healthy:275 carries for 1, 073 yards (both career highs)40 receptions for 316 yards 8 TD rushing 2 TD rec.

200-740, 2 tds18-130, 0- tds

due to injuries or lack of production over 16 games? Just curious.

 

[NorrisB]

If the Raiders loved Jordan so much then why did they make him take a pay cut and add Rhodes. Neither one of those leads me to believe that he will be getting 350 touches this year.

a voice of reason.

Added to the fact that Lane Kiffin is a terrible coach, he's had only two years total coaching experience, he only got the job at USC because Pete Carroll was doing Monte Kiffin a favor. The USC offense has been using the same plays as Norm Chow, and its gotten pretty predictable. They lost to Texas because of Kiffin's play calling on 4th down and they also lost the UCLA game because of Kiffin. The UCLA DC D. Walker, called Kiffins offense, "stagnate and predictable." Thats two NCs they lost because of Kiffin, and he had Pete Carroll and Steve Sarkisian assisting him with the plays and he still messed up. Dont get your hopes up for LaMont Jordan, avoid all Raiders like the plague once again.

 

[Warpig]

If the Raiders loved Jordan so much then why did they make him take a pay cut and add Rhodes. Neither one of those leads me to believe that he will be getting 350 touches this year.

a voice of reason.

Added to the fact that Lane Kiffin is a terrible coach, he's had only two years total coaching experience, he only got the job at USC because Pete Carroll was doing Monte Kiffin a favor. The USC offense has been using the same plays as Norm Chow, and its gotten pretty predictable. They lost to Texas because of Kiffin's play calling on 4th down and they also lost the UCLA game because of Kiffin. The UCLA DC D. Walker, called Kiffins offense, "stagnate and predictable."Dont get your hopes up for LaMont Jordan, avoid all Raiders like the plague once again.

However, load up on Raider defensive players in IDP!

 

[5Rings]

If he stays healthy:275 carries for 1, 073 yards (both career highs)40 receptions for 316 yards 8 TD rushing 2 TD rec.

200-740, 2 tds18-130, 0- tds

due to injuries or lack of production over 16 games? Just curious.

1) Sharing carries with Dom2) Crappy team3) Crappy/rookie QB4) Crappy OL5) not that good to begin with

 

[KellysHeroes]

However, load up on Raider defensive players in IDP!

Kirk Morrison Owner... Right Here

 

[massraider]

I think the ZBS system that Cable is installing doesn't fit Jordan, but does fit Rhodes. I think Rhodes will take over the job before midseason. Still RBBC I am sure, but I think he gets the majority of the carries.

 

[KING]

165 625 3.8 4

35 240 6.9 1

 

[BostonSportsGuy]

Obviously this is a "let's all bash Jordan thread", but he's a young 28, as he has only been a starting RB for 2 years, and should have several productive years ahead of him. I think most of you are unfairly blaming him for all of the Raiders problems --- if they go in the right direction and build a better O-Line, add a young, solid QB, get rid of the negativity (like this thread), I wouldn't be shocked to see him approach his 2005 totals (1500+ total yards, 11 total TDs, 70 receptions).

 

[PatsWillWin]

If he stays healthy:275 carries for 1, 073 yards (both career highs)40 receptions for 316 yards 8 TD rushing 2 TD rec.

200-740, 2 tds18-130, 0- tds

due to injuries or lack of production over 16 games? Just curious.

1) Sharing carries with Dom2) Crappy team3) Crappy/rookie QB4) Crappy OL5) not that good to begin with

He put up great fantasy numbes in 2005, but didn't necessarily have a great year peforming on the field. He's in about the worst situation you can be in - horrible team, unspeakably bad offense, and in a RBBC.

 

[Warpig]

However, load up on Raider defensive players in IDP!

Kirk Morrison Owner... Right Here

Psssht...That's it? I got Morrison, Schweigert, AND Tommy Kelly! :thumbsnose:

 

[KellysHeroes]

Psssht...That's it? I got Morrison, Schweigert, AND Tommy Kelly! :thumbsnose: :X

My league isn't as deep as yours.. and our draft isn't over yet.. picks up 2 weeks after the Real NFL DraftBut I took Morrison as #1 and I like Schweigert if I can get him low enough.. we don't play DTs so I won't give a rats ### about KellyAfter looking at your team.. I also have Heap as my #1 TE, Stall as my #1 WR, However EJ Henderson is my #3 LB behind Morrison & Bart Scott

 

[LawFitz]

I think the implementation of a modern offense, which includes the ZBS fresh from Atl and Den will dramatically improve LaMont's opportunity for fantasy success. Plus the Calvin Johnson addition will help as he will keep defenses honest.

Two years ago, I said LaMont would be fantasy gold because of his late draft spot and the prospect for lots of receptions.

Last year I came on here and warned everyone to stay away based on his much higher draft position and the thought that Art Shell's offense would kill his reception totals, which were a big part of his value. It was even worse than I imagined.

This year, I'm much more hopeful about LaMont, but based on Kiffin's history of using a RBBC, it might just have to be 50-60% of a much bigger pie than last year. But that's only if they do get Calvin Johnson/Josh McClown and LaMont responds well to competition from Rhodes. I think both will happen.

LaMont will surely slip in drafts and might be a good value play as an RB2. He actually has very good hands and I'm sure Kiff will use him more in that way.

I will be paying close attention to the camp and preseason battles and in particular to LaMont's attitude. If he whines about the situation, I'm out on the guy. He better look at this as a threat and a challenge, but not as a slap in the face.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

I think the implementation of a modern offense, which includes the ZBS fresh from Atl and Den will dramatically improve LaMont's opportunity for fantasy success. Plus the Calvin Johnson addition will help as he will keep defenses honest.Two years ago, I said LaMont would be fantasy gold because of his late draft spot and the prospect for lots of receptions.Last year I came on here and warned everyone to stay away based on his much higher draft position and the thought that Art Shell's offense would kill his reception totals, which were a big part of his value. It was even worse than I imagined.This year, I'm much more hopeful about LaMont, but based on Kiffin's history of using a RBBC, it might just have to be 50-60% of a much bigger pie than last year. But that's only if they do get Calvin Johnson/Josh McClown and LaMont responds well to competition from Rhodes. I think both will happen.LaMont will surely slip in drafts and might be a good value play as an RB2. He actually has very good hands and I'm sure Kiff will use him more in that way.I will be paying close attention to the camp and preseason battles and in particular to LaMont's attitude. If he whines about the situation, I'm out on the guy. He better look at this as a threat and a challenge, but not as a slap in the face.

A voice of reason. Lamont is a good, not great, RB. He has good, not great hands. He has pretty good, not great, speed, and solid, but not great, power.Rhodes is inferior to Jordan in most ways. Not at all pathetic in comparison, but not as good overall.I agree that if Lamont has a good attitude and comes to win the job, he will be the guy. I would see a 60-30-10 split between Lamont-Dominic-other RBs.Oakland being a crap team is the main obstacle to any real fantasy success.Best case:270 carries, 1150 yards, 55 catches, 400 yards, 12 TDs.Likely: 225 carries, 880 yards, 28 catches, 190 yards, 8 TDs.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

165 625 3.8 4 35 240 6.9 1

168 638 5 24 168 0

 

[grind]

People who completely bash LaMont need to take a step back. I hope everyone understands that the Offensive Coordinator selected by Mr. Art Shell to run the offense was running a Bed and Breakfast and had been out of the league what....15 plus years? A lot changes in 15 years. Apparently this character entrusted with the offense didn't change with the time. Of course, I'm not criticizing the guy. It is understandable considering he was running a Bed and Breakfast and in no way assossiated with the NFL. Why Art went with this guy is simply amazing. Loyalty to his death, I suppose. Anyway, LaMont wasn't the only reason or even the main reason the Raiders were so bad last year. It started at the top with the system. Whatever the case with this Kiffin character, the fact is that he has at least been a part of football within the last 15 years. This alone should make his system a little workable. Will LaMont be as good fantasy wise as he was in 2005? No. He will be much, much better then a lot of people thing though. I'm sure these are the same people who praised LJ as the top RB entering the 2006 while I took LT2 and laughed at them all. Yes, I just patted myself on the back.

 

[KellysHeroes]

A voice of reason. Lamont is a good, not great, RB. He has good, not great hands. He has pretty good, not great, speed, and solid, but not great, power.Rhodes is inferior to Jordan in most ways. Not at all pathetic in comparison, but not as good overall.I agree that if Lamont has a good attitude and comes to win the job, he will be the guy. I would see a 60-30-10 split between Lamont-Dominic-other RBs.Oakland being a crap team is the main obstacle to any real fantasy success.Best case:270 carries, 1150 yards, 55 catches, 400 yards, 12 TDs.Likely: 225 carries, 880 yards, 28 catches, 190 yards, 8 TDs.

What are you guys smoking.I'll give you one perfect ex. that will silence this thread: Edge 2006; Bad O-Line, Bad coach, Rookie QB, & always playing from behind.In 2006: Edge had 337 carries, 1159 yds, 3.4 yd avg, 6 TDs, 38 Recs w/ 217 yds.You people who think Jordan is gona get 220+ carries w/ a 4+ yd avg and 8 too 10 TDs are out of your freaking mind. So your best projections IMO is to take Edge's #s from last yr and cut them in half.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

People who completely bash LaMont need to take a step back. I hope everyone understands that the Offensive Coordinator selected by Mr. Art Shell to run the offense was running a Bed and Breakfast and had been out of the league what....15 plus years? A lot changes in 15 years. Apparently this character entrusted with the offense didn't change with the time. Of course, I'm not criticizing the guy. It is understandable considering he was running a Bed and Breakfast and in no way assossiated with the NFL. Why Art went with this guy is simply amazing. Loyalty to his death, I suppose. Anyway, LaMont wasn't the only reason or even the main reason the Raiders were so bad last year. It started at the top with the system. Whatever the case with this Kiffin character, the fact is that he has at least been a part of football within the last 15 years. This alone should make his system a little workable. Will LaMont be as good fantasy wise as he was in 2005? No. He will be much, much better then a lot of people thing though. I'm sure these are the same people who praised LJ as the top RB entering the 2006 while I took LT2 and laughed at them all. Yes, I just patted myself on the back.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

A voice of reason. Lamont is a good, not great, RB. He has good, not great hands. He has pretty good, not great, speed, and solid, but not great, power.Rhodes is inferior to Jordan in most ways. Not at all pathetic in comparison, but not as good overall.I agree that if Lamont has a good attitude and comes to win the job, he will be the guy. I would see a 60-30-10 split between Lamont-Dominic-other RBs.Oakland being a crap team is the main obstacle to any real fantasy success.Best case:270 carries, 1150 yards, 55 catches, 400 yards, 12 TDs.Likely: 225 carries, 880 yards, 28 catches, 190 yards, 8 TDs.

What are you guys smoking.I'll give you one perfect ex. that will silence this thread: Edge 2006; Bad O-Line, Bad coach, Rookie QB, & always playing from behind.In 2006: Edge had 337 carries, 1159 yds, 3.4 yd avg, 6 TDs, 38 Recs w/ 217 yds.You people who think Jordan is gona get 220+ carries w/ a 4+ yd avg and 8 too 10 TDs are out of your freaking mind. So your best projections IMO is to take Edge's #s from last yr and cut them in half.

Egads.Jordan played on the worst offense in the league last year. The OC was wretched, Moss was MIA, Porter was inactive, and they had no QB or Oline. It is the absolute worst it could possibly be.Through Jordan's first 8 games (his last game he only played one quarter before getting hurt), he put up 110 carries for 410 yards, 9 catches for 70 yards, 2 TDs. 4 or 5 of those games were against very good run defenses. So, he was on pace to put up 220 for 820 yds, 18 catches for 140 yards. (Yeah, yeah, you cannot simply project 8 games out to 16 games.... but Oakland's 2nd half schedule was notably easier than their first half schedule, so it's not crazy talk)Unless you expect Rhodes to share the load 50/50, or win the job outright, (and it could happen...) that is Lamont's absolute floor. Considering he put up 1588 yards and 11 TDs in 14 games in 2005, when the Raiders were merely adequate on offense, no smoking of anything is required to see that his numbers will fall somewhere in between the two seasons.Jordan was horribly underused in the passing game last year. They would try to go long half the time, while Jordan would be open in the flat for an easy 6+ yards (or more if he breaks one tackle) but not get the ball, or he would stay in and block. The playcalling and gameplan was quite possibly the worst EVER.If he is the main RB this year, he will get around 15 carries a game (Oakland averaged 22 carries/g last year), and it's awfully difficult to see him being used less in the passing game. Also, Oakland's defense is pretty decent, so they shouldn't be playing from behind for 3 quarters a game.My Best projection has him getting under 100 yards a game, with 12 TDs. I don't think he'll reach this, thus my LIKELY projection: 67 yards/g and a TD every other week. I don't see how that can be called crazy. The only thing holding his value down is Dominic Rhodes. I think Jordan is better than Rhodes, so I think he'll get more touches. We'll see.

 

[KellysHeroes]

My Best projection has him getting under 100 yards a game, with 12 TDs. I don't think he'll reach this, thus my LIKELY projection: 67 yards/g and a TD every other week. I don't see how that can be called crazy.

So... anywhere from 100 to 70 yds a game and a TD every other game right... that equals about 1200 yds and 8 TDsYou guys really think your gona to find Rudi Johnson #s in Lamont Jordan this year... GOOD LUCK

 

[TheSpecialOne]

jordan + rhodes + fargas + new coach + crap line + crap qb = 2008 #1 draft pick.

right it down, take a picture

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

My Best projection has him getting under 100 yards a game, with 12 TDs. I don't think he'll reach this, thus my LIKELY projection: 67 yards/g and a TD every other week. I don't see how that can be called crazy.

So... anywhere from 100 to 70 yds a game and a TD every other game right... that equals about 1200 yds and 8 TDsYou guys really think your gona to find Rudi Johnson #s in Lamont Jordan this year... GOOD LUCK

What do you project his stats to be? Do you see him as strictly RBBC, or do you see him as the main back?I concede that the Raider offense will be weak, but it CAN NOT possibly be worse than last year.

Again, he was on pace for 960 combined yards last year, with the easier part of his schedule unplayed. I project him to be 11% better than that in yardage, a massive improvement of 7 yards per game. That is one catch more per game than the 1 catch per game he got last year (but 3 fewer per game than the year before). One can make an argument for fewer than 8 TDs, but that's not exactly tearing it up, and TDs aren't easily predicted.

I'm a lunatic.

BTW, Rudi Johnson had 1433 yards and 12 TDs last year. About 360 more yards and 50% more TDs than I project for Jordan.

 

[KellysHeroes]

What do I project... alright..

like I said before; I'm gona to use Edges #s from last yr

In 2006: Edge had 337 carries, 1159 yds, 3.4 yd avg, 6 TDs, 38 Recs w/ 217 yds.

I can't see Jordan getting more than 220 carries this yr.

projections

220 caries * 3.4 (Edges avg from last yr) = 748yds.

Edge scored a TD every 56 carries or so; that equals less than 4 TD for Lamont

Edge had a rec every 8.8 carries; for Lamont that equals less than 25 recs and at a 5 yd avg that equals less than 125 yds in the air for Lamont.

220 carries or so; about 750yds, no more than 4 TDs, 25 recs and about 125 yd.

 

[Traders2001]

What do I project... alright..

like I said before; I'm gona to use Edges #s from last yr

In 2006: Edge had 337 carries, 1159 yds, 3.4 yd avg, 6 TDs, 38 Recs w/ 217 yds.

I can't see Jordan getting more than 220 carries this yr.

projections

220 caries * 3.4 (Edges avg from last yr) = 748yds.

Edge scored a TD every 56 carries or so; that equals less than 4 TD for Lamont

Edge had a rec every 8.8 carries; for Lamont that equals less than 25 recs and at a 5 yd avg that equals less than 125 yds in the air for Lamont.

220 carries or so; about 750yds, no more than 4 TDs, 25 recs and about 125 yd.

Rhodes aint gonna be just a third down back, he will get at leats 10 carries a game .

 

[m_sell31]

What do I project... alright..

like I said before; I'm gona to use Edges #s from last yr

In 2006: Edge had 337 carries, 1159 yds, 3.4 yd avg, 6 TDs, 38 Recs w/ 217 yds.

I can't see Jordan getting more than 220 carries this yr.

projections

220 caries * 3.4 (Edges avg from last yr) = 748yds.

Edge scored a TD every 56 carries or so; that equals less than 4 TD for Lamont

Edge had a rec every 8.8 carries; for Lamont that equals less than 25 recs and at a 5 yd avg that equals less than 125 yds in the air for Lamont.

220 carries or so; about 750yds, no more than 4 TDs, 25 recs and about 125 yd.

Rhodes aint gonna be just a third down back, he will get at leats 10 carries a game .

Jordan owner here. I am counting on him to be my RB #3 in a 14 team league (unless Turner gets traded{cross fingers}). Anyway here is what I thinkJordan plays 14 games averages 15 carries a game and 3.6 yards a carry.

210 carries 760 yards 28 catches 140 yards 6 total TD's

In my league thats 130 points, I will take that playing in my flex RB/WR spot or as a bye week injury fill in player if Turner gets traded. Jordan might be capable of a 10-20% increase on those numbers depending on the rest of the Raiders ofseason but with the addition of Rhodes these seem like realistic numbers.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Not bad projections M Sell... a little High on the TDs

So if Turner gets Moved; then Jordan is your #4, correct. Thats not too bad at all.

From the sounds of this thread; there alot of FF players out there that are still living on his 2005 #s. I would see if one of them is in your league and try to dump him. I bet his value is at its highest right now.

 

[Yitbos69]

Not bad projections M Sell... a little High on the TDsSo if Turner gets Moved; then Jordan is your #4, correct. Thats not too bad at all.From the sounds of this thread; there alot of FF players out there that are still living on his 2005 #s. I would see if one of them is in your league and try to dump him. I bet his value is at its highest right now.

I don't think you guys are taking into consideration the fact that Jordan was Hurt and did not play in 7 games and only played the 1st quarter in week 11.Of the 8 games he played more than 1 quarter he got more than 12 carries 3 times. I think poor coaching and poor game plans and lack of opportunities had a big effect on Jordan's numbers.I am in the same boat with M Sell. Jordan is my 3rd back in two leagues and if Turner gets traded he becomes my 4th back in one league.I also don't agree that his value is Highest right now. He is a buy low candidate if there ever was one. I think he will bounce back in 2007 but I would not want to count on him my #2 RB. He is a #3 RB at best.

 

[Banger]

Obviously this is a "let's all bash Jordan thread", but he's a young 28, as he has only been a starting RB for 2 years, and should have several productive years ahead of him. I think most of you are unfairly blaming him for all of the Raiders problems --- if they go in the right direction and build a better O-Line, add a young, solid QB, get rid of the negativity (like this thread), I wouldn't be shocked to see him approach his 2005 totals (1500+ total yards, 11 total TDs, 70 receptions).

that's a lot of if's....

 

[KellysHeroes]

Sorry Yit.. I disagree again..

If people on here are projection 1000yds and 8 too 10 TDs; I bet those same people would give you a good #2 WR right now for Lamont and believe they have a steal.

Then; after the 1st couple weeks in the season, they will realize that he is garbage and be .

Then, those are the people that give up for the yr.

 

[Pipes]

Sorry Yit.. I disagree again..If people on here are projection 1000yds and 8 too 10 TDs; I bet those same people would give you a good #2 WR right now for Lamont and believe they have a steal.Then; after the 1st couple weeks in the season, they will realize that he is garbage and be .Then, those are the people that give up for the yr.

People making crazy predictions is one thing. Having the guts to give up a proven player, even if he's a #2 WR for a guy coming off a major knee injury, in a RBBC and having a putrid offensive line in front of him, is another. If you can get a decent player for Jordan in return that's great...I'm just not seeing it right now. Jordan is a far cry from a sell high candidate imho.

 

[Thom Yorke]

I find it VERY difficult to believe that Rhodes was brought in purely to back up Jordan. I think the absolute best case scenario is that he gets about 15 carries a game, and ekes out 3.8 per behind that miserable line. That's a ceiling of about 920 yards. Depending on whether or not he gets used at the goal line, he'll likely wind up with between 4 and 7 TD.

He should also get used more in the passing game, given the inept play calling last year and his talents as a receiver. Again, assuming he can haul in a couple of passes a game, best case scenario is 30-35 receptions for about 150-200 yards, and perhaps a score or two.

Accordingly, I put his ceiling at about 1100 combined yards and 6-8 total touchdowns. This makes him a pretty reasonable #3/4 type guy.

Unfortunately, I don't think he's going to get close to his ceiling. With Rhodes around, and the Raiders' poor overall offensive play, I think he'll be lucky to get 10-12 carries a game at about 3.6 per, or about 700 rushing yards, with about 125-150 receiving yards, and 4-6 total scores. He now becomes a #4 RB. Given that he'll probably be drafted as a RB3, I don't believe that Jordan will represent value in most drafts.

 

[Yitbos69]

Sorry Yit.. I disagree again..If people on here are projection 1000yds and 8 too 10 TDs; I bet those same people would give you a good #2 WR right now for Lamont and believe they have a steal.Then; after the 1st couple weeks in the season, they will realize that he is garbage and be .Then, those are the people that give up for the yr.

Kellys,I understand your projections and can see him putting up numbers somewhere in between 800 and 1100 yards and 5 to 8 TD's.If you look at what Jordan did in 2005. When he got the opportunity he was very productive. In the 14 games he played in 2005 he had 12 or less carries once.For Jordan it's about staying healthy and getting the carries.

 

[BostonSportsGuy]

Sorry Yit.. I disagree again..If people on here are projection 1000yds and 8 too 10 TDs; I bet those same people would give you a good #2 WR right now for Lamont and believe they have a steal.Then; after the 1st couple weeks in the season, they will realize that he is garbage and be .Then, those are the people that give up for the yr.

Kellys,I understand your projections and can see him putting up numbers somewhere in between 800 and 1100 yards and 5 to 8 TD's.If you look at what Jordan did in 2005. When he got the opportunity he was very productive. In the 14 games he played in 2005 he had 12 or less carries once.For Jordan it's about staying healthy and getting the carries.

I agree. The offense was in utter disarray, and needs to solidify their O-Line, QB and WR situations before he can be productive again. I think he's a buy-low right now (I wouldn't trade him for crap right now --- which is what Jordan owners would get).

 

[djb916420]

Sorry Yit.. I disagree again..If people on here are projection 1000yds and 8 too 10 TDs; I bet those same people would give you a good #2 WR right now for Lamont and believe they have a steal.Then; after the 1st couple weeks in the season, they will realize that he is garbage and be .Then, those are the people that give up for the yr.

Kellys,I understand your projections and can see him putting up numbers somewhere in between 800 and 1100 yards and 5 to 8 TD's.If you look at what Jordan did in 2005. When he got the opportunity he was very productive. In the 14 games he played in 2005 he had 12 or less carries once.For Jordan it's about staying healthy and getting the carries.

I dont think it hurt having a guy named Norv Turner running the offense.....

 

[bigfishboy]

I think he's a buy-low right now (I wouldn't trade him for crap right now --- which is what Jordan owners would get).

For anyone who is calculating how much value Jordan has, he was traded in my league a couple days ago for DeAngelo Williams, before Foster's contract ws renegotiated.I thought the guy who got Williams got the better end of it (before the Foster news), but the projections in this thread are a lot higher than I would ever imagine.I listened to a Rhodes interview on Sirius a few days after going to Oakland. He seems to think he was brought in to get most of the carries (but what else is he going to say). After the interview, the announcers had nothing but praise for Rhodes and his work ethic and nothing good at all to say about Jordan.

 

[KellysHeroes]

For anyone who is calculating how much value Jordan has, he was traded in my league a couple days ago for DeAngelo Williams, before Foster's contract ws renegotiated.I thought the guy who got Williams got the better end of it (before the Foster news), but the projections in this thread are a lot higher than I would ever imagine.I listened to a Rhodes interview on Sirius a few days after going to Oakland. He seems to think he was brought in to get most of the carries (but what else is he going to say). After the interview, the announcers had nothing but praise for Rhodes and his work ethic and nothing good at all to say about Jordan.

Thats what I'm talking about.. There some out there that think Jordan may relive those 2005 #s.. and they maybe willing to pay a little extra for it..

 

[LawFitz]

Quote:

– Running back LaMont Jordan, who elected to accept a $3 million roster bonus instead of the $4.75 million he was due, was philosophical about the transaction.

"It was pretty much, `take a pay cut or get released,' " Jordan said. "Make no mistake about it, I'm not happy about having to take a pay cut. I'm not happy about it at all. But at this point, there's nothing I can do about it. Had I left, I felt that I would have failed here . . . it was my first starting gig, we were terrible for two yeras, the running game was at the bottom, and I would have felt like I failed."

Like I said earlier, I'll be watching very closely to see how LaMont reacts to less money and more competition this year. So far, I'm not sure how I feel about this quote. I like that he admits to failing so far, but I don't like his take on the pay cut. If he does indeed believe that he failed, he should be happy to still be getting $3MM this year.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

600/300/3

 

[PatsWillWin]

I think he's a buy-low right now (I wouldn't trade him for crap right now --- which is what Jordan owners would get).

For anyone who is calculating how much value Jordan has, he was traded in my league a couple days ago for DeAngelo Williams, before Foster's contract ws renegotiated.

Thanks for giving info from your league*, but I would warn people not to assume this is the market value for Jordan. I moved Jordan this off-season and I couldn't get anything NEARLY this valuable.* - being serious, not a "Nobody Cares About Your League" remark.ETA:I gave: Jordan, Lamont OAK RB;Farrior, James PIT LB; Year 2008 Round 1 Draft Pick I got: Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB; Year 2007 Draft Pick 2.06; Year 2008 Round 3 Draft Pick from New Jersey BanditsIn a 16 team, IDP dynasty league.There were some other considerations - Jordan had a huge salary based on the 2005 season, and he was also my franchise tag player, meaning I couldn't tag someone else to save cap money, but basically this was me dumping Jordan because I think he's pretty much un-start-able. And he's not young either.This was before the Rhodes signing, FWIW.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

It boils down to this: Jordan is the lead back or it's a RBBC/Rhodes is the lead back.

If Jordan is the lead back, he gets at least 60% of the carries. I project Oakland to run the ball more than they did last year. They ran it a paltry 22 times a game, I'd put that at at least 25 times a game this year... that puts Jordan at 15 carries a game.

As I said, I personally believe Jordan is more talented than Rhodes. I don't wear rose colored glasses, I see that Rhodes is going to get carries. However, I believe Jordan will outplay him and win the starting job. This is certainly open for debate.

I entirely understand if somebody does not think that. If Jordan is not the lead back, my projections go out the window. If I had to put a number on it, I'd say it's a 60%+ chance Jordan is the lead back, 25% cance it's straight RBBC, and 15% chance Rhodes is the guy. I rarely deal in absolutes with these situations.

With that in mind, I would not give up any real value for Jordan right now. by the same token, I would not trade him now; at worst, he is a semi-proven fantasy RB playing behind Rhodes, a guy that has spent plenty of time on the injury report throughout his career. At best, he is the starting RB on a weak team.

Comparing Jordan to Edge is confusing; their situations were not similar.

K-Heroes said: Edge 2006; Bad O-Line, Bad coach, Rookie QB, & always playing from behind.

Jordan 2006: WORSE Oline, MUCH MUCH WORSE coach, Worse QB, but with a decent defense.

Not comparable, imo. I don't see how Oakland can be worse than last year.... and Jordan averaged 3.8 ypc. Why would he fall to 3.4 ypc? Just because another RB did that on another team? Compare Jordan to his history, not somebody else's situation.

So, Jordan haters see a best case scenario of RBBC, so Jordan's numbers will stink. I can see that happening, it wouldn't surprise me. I do not think Jordan is a stud; I simply think he is better than Rhodes, a journeyman RB.

I have Jordan in the #20-25 RB range. Weak RB2, good RB3. If a committee approach is taken, he's bye week filler.

Nothing is written in stone at this point. One thing that I do know: we are all wrong more often than we are right in our projections, ESPECIALLY in April.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

BTW, I may be coming across a a Jordan pimper, since I have written a novel about the guy in this thread.

I only think he is pretty good. maybe around RB20 or so as far as talent is concerned. He would be very solid on a good team, but he is quite ordinary on a bad team. I am not a huge believer, but I am not a detractor at all.

I don't know why in the heck I am writing so much about ANY player in April.