Lance Moore - PPR Steal (1 Viewer)

[Gravity]

In PPR leagues, things are lining up for Moore to have a huge year:

- Meachem and Colston both battling injuries

- Reports from camp is that the Brees/Moore connection is on fire and that Moore is "Dazzling".

- Bush now in Miami (Sproles impact TBD)

- 2010 stats: 66/763/8

Its likely he may even surpass his 2008 stats where he went for almost 80/1000/10

At his current ADP he could make a huge impact.

 

[nysportsfan]

Couldn't agree more. Really hoping he continues to be a mid round guy, I see him borderline top 10 this year. I don't own him in any format (I only play in redraft and we haven't drafted) but I am bullish on this guy.

 

[LHUCKS]

Correct

 

[Sweetness_34]

Love him this year.....am hoping to get him and Amendola in that 8th to 10th round in every draft that I can

 

[todisco1]

I was all in on Meachem, but now I'm waffling. Moore might just be the play here.

 

[ThePittbully]

Couldn't agree more. Really hoping he continues to be a mid round guy, I see him borderline top 10 this year. I don't own him in any format (I only play in redraft and we haven't drafted) but I am bullish on this guy.

I like Moore but this is a little extreme

 

[ATC1]

Liked him a lot more before they aquired Sproles. Sproles is not as big of an injury concern as Bush and should be used in the passing game a good bit. Now if Colston is just being cautious, L. Moore's value probably won't be much higher than it is now.

 

[valhallan]

Couldn't agree more. Really hoping he continues to be a mid round guy, I see him borderline top 10 this year. I don't own him in any format (I only play in redraft and we haven't drafted) but I am bullish on this guy.

I like Moore but this is a little extreme

Not really, considering he finished 16th in PPR in 2008.I'm sky high on Moore this year too. Meachem still isn't a complete receiver and maybe never will be. Colston could still produce but he's getting riskier by the day. Meanwhile Moore catches everything in his sight and Brees loves him.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Why are people underplaying the addition of Sproles? There was a great analysis in here recently that showed Moore w/o Bush was $$$, Moore with Bush was meh. Don't people expect Sproles to play the Bush role? If not, why not?

 

[PhantomJB]

Why are people underplaying the addition of Sproles? There was a great analysis in here recently that showed Moore w/o Bush was $$$, Moore with Bush was meh. Don't people expect Sproles to play the Bush role? If not, why not?

I am similarly skeptical of Moore's consistency. Is all the love predicated on Meacham / Colston's injury situation? Also, adding Jimmy Graham to the mix would seem to cannibalize some of Moore's opportunities.There are also reports that Henderson is "quietly having a good camp."METAIRIE — Devery Henderson once again works through the early days of Saints training camp with uncertainty surrounding his place on the roster.And once again, teammates are singing his praises, saying he adds more to the team than meets the eye.“Maybe people have misjudged him,” cornerback Jabari Greer said. “He’s a player. And we value Devery and what he does for our offense. He has definitely had a big part in our offensive success.” Love Lance Moore's skillset and rapport with Brees but seems too Lee Evans-inconsistent for me to get too excited about unless something fundamental has changed.

 

[fightingillini]

Why are people underplaying the addition of Sproles? There was a great analysis in here recently that showed Moore w/o Bush was $$$, Moore with Bush was meh. Don't people expect Sproles to play the Bush role? If not, why not?

This. I expect Sproles to catch 50 or so passes in that offense, which takes away from the WRs. That said, I do agree that Lance Moore is value at his current ADP.....but if Colston is still battling injuries as the season opener nears, I expect Moore's ADP to climb.

 

[Gravity]

Why are people underplaying the addition of Sproles? There was a great analysis in here recently that showed Moore w/o Bush was $$$, Moore with Bush was meh. Don't people expect Sproles to play the Bush role? If not, why not?

.....but if Colston is still battling injuries as the season opener nears, I expect Moore's ADP to climb.

I don't think so, I think Moore is pretty unknown outside of hardcore Fantasy players.

 

[ldizzle]

Why are people underplaying the addition of Sproles? There was a great analysis in here recently that showed Moore w/o Bush was $$$, Moore with Bush was meh. Don't people expect Sproles to play the Bush role? If not, why not?

.....but if Colston is still battling injuries as the season opener nears, I expect Moore's ADP to climb.

I don't think so, I think Moore is pretty unknown outside of hardcore Fantasy players.

omg delete this thread! you dont remember the big stats he put up when bush was hurt in 2008 and last year? if colston and meachem are both dinged up watch out...now delete

 

[nysportsfan]

Couldn't agree more. Really hoping he continues to be a mid round guy, I see him borderline top 10 this year. I don't own him in any format (I only play in redraft and we haven't drafted) but I am bullish on this guy.

I like Moore but this is a little extreme

Yeah, probably. But there are always a couple guys (Lloyd?) that surprise. Lloyd's emergence is far more surprising than if Moore finds himself from 8-12, no? Regardless, Moore is the guy I like the best, but only if his ADP remains low enough.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Remember he got a 5 year extension for $30M. He will be used....

 

[rocketsauce]

shhhh

 

[MNTom]

shhhh

 

[One]

New Orleans is that kind of team who takes pride in having no real #1 WR.

So with Moore you have to be ready for some real stinker kind of games, countered with a big one here and there. He makes a nice WR3.

I'll draft him, but won't be reaching.

 

[Sweetsie]

Sproles will play Reggie Bush's exact role.

 

[DeaLerZ]

New Orleans is that kind of team who takes pride in having no real #1 WR.

So with Moore you have to be ready for some real stinker kind of games, countered with a big one here and there. He makes a nice WR3.

I'll draft him, but won't be reaching.

can't agree *Moore*... the guy is a great slot receiver, one year removed from an injury... I think he puts up similar numbers to his 2008 year especially with the uncertainty around Colston/Meachem.. only means more targets for Moore... Sproles will be similar to Bush, but Bush was used as a WR type RB... i don't think with Sproles size he will be more of a checkdown/3rd down type RB...which won't affect Moore's targets in the slot as much as Bush did when he was healthy80 rec, 1000-1100 yds, anywhere from 8-12 td's... very similar to Wes Welker type Fantasy Points at the end of the year, but with less catches and more TD's.. an absolute guy I am targeting as my #3 WR this year... (Keeping him in the 14th round in one of my leagues )

 

[PR Sparty]

He's gonna be on my squad. 11 round ADP right now? 39th WR off the board? This is where championships are won

 

[LHUCKS]

He's gonna be on my squad. 11 round ADP right now? 39th WR off the board? This is where championships are won

His ADP is closer to 8th/9th in "mid-stakes" drafts.

 

[Groundpounder]

I'm not understanding the love for moore with sproles in town. How are we saying in one thread that Ingram is a lock for 200 carries, yet we're in here humping Lance Moore when he has to compete with Colston, Meachem, Graham, Sproles, and Thomas for touches. That's not even including Henderson in the mix. I was all over Moore until Sproles came to town. That move killed it for me.

 

[DeaLerZ]

I'm not understanding the love for moore with sproles in town. How are we saying in one thread that Ingram is a lock for 200 carries, yet we're in here humping Lance Moore when he has to compete with Colston, Meachem, Graham, Sproles, and Thomas for touches. That's not even including Henderson in the mix. I was all over Moore until Sproles came to town. That move killed it for me.

because Colston isn't the same as he used to be with so many knee surgeries, not to mention he is struggling with injuries already... Moore is cleary Drew Bree's #2 target behind Colston... not to mention he is the guy on the Saints that Drew Brees trusts the most at WR besides Colston.. he has looked great in camp not to mention Meachem is battling an injury as well... as a #3 WR with upside and at where his current ADP is the guy is a steal for a WR 3/4...could easily end up in the top 20... and have similar numbers to his 2008 campaign... i think that is what most people are trying to say

 

[Sweetness_34]

New Orleans is that kind of team who takes pride in having no real #1 WR.So with Moore you have to be ready for some real stinker kind of games, countered with a big one here and there. He makes a nice WR3.I'll draft him, but won't be reaching.

There is no WR who does not have stinkers. It is part of the deal with WRs. With Moore though, you are guaranteed 10 pts almost every week in a PPR. Consistency with the floor is the key to winning

 

[PhantomJB]

New Orleans is that kind of team who takes pride in having no real #1 WR.

So with Moore you have to be ready for some real stinker kind of games, countered with a big one here and there. He makes a nice WR3.

I'll draft him, but won't be reaching.

There is no WR who does not have stinkers. It is part of the deal with WRs. With Moore though, you are guaranteed 10 pts almost every week in a PPR. Consistency with the floor is the key to winning

Guaranteed? In 2010, after Bush went down, Moore had 5 weeks where he never reached 7 points in a 0.5 PPR. Hardly the picture of consistency.Wk 5 1/8/0 = 1.3 pts

Wk 7 5/43/0 = 6.8 pts

Wk 11 3/43/0 = 5.8 pts

Wk 13 6/36/0 = 6.6 pts

Wk 16 4/48/0 = 6.8 pts

There were zero weeks where he got double digit targets.

He's a WR3 that might be a difference maker in a given week if Brees happens to be looking his way. HE's got nice upside if Meachem and Colston go down but can't be counted on for a WR2.

 

[lazyike]

Liked him a lot more before they aquired Sproles. Sproles is not as big of an injury concern as Bush and should be used in the passing game a good bit. Now if Colston is just being cautious, L. Moore's value probably won't be much higher than it is now.

He was big when Bush was injured last year. Will having Sproles have the same effect?

 

[lazyike]

New Orleans is that kind of team who takes pride in having no real #1 WR.

So with Moore you have to be ready for some real stinker kind of games, countered with a big one here and there. He makes a nice WR3.

I'll draft him, but won't be reaching.

There is no WR who does not have stinkers. It is part of the deal with WRs. With Moore though, you are guaranteed 10 pts almost every week in a PPR. Consistency with the floor is the key to winning

Guaranteed? In 2010, after Bush went down, Moore had 5 weeks where he never reached 7 points in a 0.5 PPR. Hardly the picture of consistency.Wk 5 1/8/0 = 1.3 pts

Wk 7 5/43/0 = 6.8 pts

Wk 11 3/43/0 = 5.8 pts

Wk 13 6/36/0 = 6.6 pts

Wk 16 4/48/0 = 6.8 pts

There were zero weeks where he got double digit targets.

He's a WR3 that might be a difference maker in a given week if Brees happens to be looking his way. HE's got nice upside if Meachem and Colston go down but can't be counted on for a WR2.

The likes of Welker, Moore and Amendola go down when its only.5 PPR. Not much of a fan of .5 PPR

 

[flooredyas]

Liked him a lot more before they aquired Sproles. Sproles is not as big of an injury concern as Bush and should be used in the passing game a good bit. Now if Colston is just being cautious, L. Moore's value probably won't be much higher than it is now.

He was big when Bush was injured last year. Will having Sproles have the same effect?

OK let me try to work through this. Sproles, who is new to the system is going to impact the RB position in such a way that first off Thomas is going to just disappear due to Sproles superior pass catching skills + blocking ability and then secondly lets just write off a guy they traded up into the first round in Ingram. I just don't see the plsaying time for him to even approach what Bush did and that wasn't all that much. I think you are overestimating what he brings to the team. Kick returner, injury insurance and a possible breather role. Now if you think that he will have a substancial effect on Lance Moore, then I think you have to draft him instead. Not me.

 

[One]

80 rec, 1000-1100 yds, anywhere from 8-12 td's... very similar to Wes Welker type Fantasy Points at the end of the year, but with less catches and more TD's.. an absolute guy I am targeting as my #3 WR this year... (Keeping him in the 14th round in one of my leagues )

Whoa buddy... So you're thinking top 10 WR?

 

[LHUCKS]

80 rec, 1000-1100 yds, anywhere from 8-12 td's... very similar to Wes Welker type Fantasy Points at the end of the year, but with less catches and more TD's.. an absolute guy I am targeting as my #3 WR this year... (Keeping him in the 14th round in one of my leagues )

Whoa buddy... So you're thinking top 10 WR?

He is easily capable of 80 receptions IMHO. The TDs look a tad high to me.

 

[ThePittbully]

Couldn't agree more. Really hoping he continues to be a mid round guy, I see him borderline top 10 this year. I don't own him in any format (I only play in redraft and we haven't drafted) but I am bullish on this guy.

I like Moore but this is a little extreme

Not really, considering he finished 16th in PPR in 2008.I'm sky high on Moore this year too. Meachem still isn't a complete receiver and maybe never will be. Colston could still produce but he's getting riskier by the day. Meanwhile Moore catches everything in his sight and Brees loves him.

In 2008 he got 120 targets, because Colston was hurt and Meachem was basically a rookie. Are you projecting him to get 120 targets this year? Because if so I have to tell you, I think you're crazy. Colston himself has only got 131 targets last season.In 2010 Meachem wasn't 100% pretty much the entire season, and most reports coming out of camp are saying he looks much healthier now. Colston is coming back from surgery but most reports coming out of camp say the Saints are just being cautious with him and bringing him back slowly to avoid any possible setback that rushing him back in could bring on. Add to that the Saints now have a legit pass catching TE in Jimmy Graham and brought in Darren Sproles to take the place of Reggie Bush, and I'm not seeing where all this extra value is coming from. The Saints are going to commit to the run again this year and get back to their 2009 formula where they were top 10 in rushing attempts, and there will only be so many targets to go around between several different weapons. I still like Moore at his ADP, but saying he could finish top 10 is ridiculous.

 

[DeaLerZ]

80 rec, 1000-1100 yds, anywhere from 8-12 td's... very similar to Wes Welker type Fantasy Points at the end of the year, but with less catches and more TD's.. an absolute guy I am targeting as my #3 WR this year... (Keeping him in the 14th round in one of my leagues )

Whoa buddy... So you're thinking top 10 WR?

He is easily capable of 80 receptions IMHO. The TDs look a tad high to me.

I don't think so... the last two full seasons he played he got 10tds, and 8 tds (was coming off a major injury in 2010)... i think anywhere from 8-12 is very reasonable... chances are he will be on the lower end of that.. but Brees loves to throw those slant passes in the endzone....

 

[ATC1]

Liked him a lot more before they aquired Sproles. Sproles is not as big of an injury concern as Bush and should be used in the passing game a good bit. Now if Colston is just being cautious, L. Moore's value probably won't be much higher than it is now.

He was big when Bush was injured last year. Will having Sproles have the same effect?

OK let me try to work through this. Sproles, who is new to the system is going to impact the RB position in such a way that first off Thomas is going to just disappear due to Sproles superior pass catching skills + blocking ability and then secondly lets just write off a guy they traded up into the first round in Ingram. I just don't see the plsaying time for him to even approach what Bush did and that wasn't all that much. I think you are overestimating what he brings to the team. Kick returner, injury insurance and a possible breather role. Now if you think that he will have a substancial effect on Lance Moore, then I think you have to draft him instead. Not me.

Payton likes to lineup a RB and motion to the slot to create a mismatch on a LB. I don't think he will have Moore lineup in the backfield. If Moore is in the game with 2 other WRs the defense knows the formation and can sub in their preferred defense. With Sproles they don't know if where he will lineup, so the defense can not substitute accoring to certain positions.

 

[womb]

Reading through the post, I understand that even the people who think Lance Moore can put close to top 10 WR numbers will not go ahead and grab him after the ninth wide receiver is gone off the board. Lance Moore is drafted at around low WR3 range like late 30s for a WR selection. I think most people who argue against his performance will agree that the guy has a floor that is pretty close to that (barring injury).

So let's start from there. You have a WR3. What do you expect from him?

Consistancy? If so, that means you are expecting like 5 points a game.

High ceiling? If so, that means you will put up with a guy who will lay a goose egg in some games and win it for you in others.

Security? If so, he is probably a hand cuff or injury risk option.

That is where I run out of what else one would expect from a WR3.

I would want high ceiling. I would also hate it if those goose eggs cost me games. I would wish that there would be a way to tell in what situations that WR3 would excel. Well, I think that has been the thing with Lance Moore from a historical point of view.

Since 2008, he played 41 games (and was out in 9). 13 of these games were without Bush, 28 were with. So, a one-to-two ratio over a span of 41 games is pretty good for statistics (and purely from a statistical sense, it is better than what we have to project for Arian Foster).

With No Bush, Lance Moore averaged 8 targets, 5 receptions and 13 fantasy points per week (from footballguys stats).

With Bush, he averaged 5 targets, 4 receptions and 5 fantasy points per week.

Bear in mind that the dude never had more than 13 targets or 8 receptions. Ever.

The way I want to read this is that he made the most out of the absence of Bush. Either his coverage or the nature of the play selection channelled towards him was different. And he accumulated a lot of fantasy points off of it.

Now Sproles is in town. Already labeled as a Bush clone. What packages will he be in and what routes will he run? If he is not as successfull as Bush? Will he be in all the designs Bush was in? I do not know.

What I know is that Moore has a significant chance if Sproles does not work the way Bush did. 13 points from my WR3 will definately help me win games, and I am OK with 5. Now, would I draft him at WR2 range. I am not quite sure about that. And that to me makes him a valuable sleeper.

 

[valhallan]

Couldn't agree more. Really hoping he continues to be a mid round guy, I see him borderline top 10 this year. I don't own him in any format (I only play in redraft and we haven't drafted) but I am bullish on this guy.

I like Moore but this is a little extreme

Not really, considering he finished 16th in PPR in 2008.I'm sky high on Moore this year too. Meachem still isn't a complete receiver and maybe never will be. Colston could still produce but he's getting riskier by the day. Meanwhile Moore catches everything in his sight and Brees loves him.

In 2008 he got 120 targets, because Colston was hurt and Meachem was basically a rookie. Are you projecting him to get 120 targets this year? Because if so I have to tell you, I think you're crazy. Colston himself has only got 131 targets last season.In 2010 Meachem wasn't 100% pretty much the entire season, and most reports coming out of camp are saying he looks much healthier now. Colston is coming back from surgery but most reports coming out of camp say the Saints are just being cautious with him and bringing him back slowly to avoid any possible setback that rushing him back in could bring on. Add to that the Saints now have a legit pass catching TE in Jimmy Graham and brought in Darren Sproles to take the place of Reggie Bush, and I'm not seeing where all this extra value is coming from. The Saints are going to commit to the run again this year and get back to their 2009 formula where they were top 10 in rushing attempts, and there will only be so many targets to go around between several different weapons. I still like Moore at his ADP, but saying he could finish top 10 is ridiculous.

Clearly there isn't much empirical evidence to support increased targets for Moore, which is why I based my opinion on his ability vs. the other WRs. Here's what I see:Colston - risk is increasing, could easily miss games or be less effective than years past

Meachem - still catches with his body and has not demonstrated much route diversity. I'm admittedly writing him off, but this is after a few years of patience.

Graham - exciting but still raw and there have been reports of concentration issues. I fear his breakout may be another year away

Sproles - reliable, good bet to pick up most of Bush's work but he may be prone to a learning curve with this rather complex offense

Moore - hands like glue, big contract as desired from Brees himself, gushing reports out of camp, and tons of experience in this offense running multiple routes from multiple positions

So just looking at Brees' options, I think Moore is a no brainer to be the most consistent (pretty important in PPR) and has the demonstrated upside to approach top 10 numbers (I don't expect him to, however). I agree the Saints should be expected to run more, which will limit opportunities for everyone in the passing game. But if we're talking about PPR sleepers, I still like a guy with his hands and versatility playing with a QB like Brees to outperform his ADP of 117 and WR43 ranking dramatically.

 

[cvnpoka]

devery henderson should eat up about 50 targets too.

 

[valhallan]

devery henderson should eat up about 50 targets too.

Good call. I left him out. I think most Saints fans just assume his one-trick pony role will continue unfettered until the wheels fall off.

 

[footballnerd]

shhhh

 

[ThePittbully]

Couldn't agree more. Really hoping he continues to be a mid round guy, I see him borderline top 10 this year. I don't own him in any format (I only play in redraft and we haven't drafted) but I am bullish on this guy.

I like Moore but this is a little extreme

Not really, considering he finished 16th in PPR in 2008.I'm sky high on Moore this year too. Meachem still isn't a complete receiver and maybe never will be. Colston could still produce but he's getting riskier by the day. Meanwhile Moore catches everything in his sight and Brees loves him.

In 2008 he got 120 targets, because Colston was hurt and Meachem was basically a rookie. Are you projecting him to get 120 targets this year? Because if so I have to tell you, I think you're crazy. Colston himself has only got 131 targets last season.In 2010 Meachem wasn't 100% pretty much the entire season, and most reports coming out of camp are saying he looks much healthier now. Colston is coming back from surgery but most reports coming out of camp say the Saints are just being cautious with him and bringing him back slowly to avoid any possible setback that rushing him back in could bring on. Add to that the Saints now have a legit pass catching TE in Jimmy Graham and brought in Darren Sproles to take the place of Reggie Bush, and I'm not seeing where all this extra value is coming from. The Saints are going to commit to the run again this year and get back to their 2009 formula where they were top 10 in rushing attempts, and there will only be so many targets to go around between several different weapons. I still like Moore at his ADP, but saying he could finish top 10 is ridiculous.

Clearly there isn't much empirical evidence to support increased targets for Moore, which is why I based my opinion on his ability vs. the other WRs. Here's what I see:Colston - risk is increasing, could easily miss games or be less effective than years past

Meachem - still catches with his body and has not demonstrated much route diversity. I'm admittedly writing him off, but this is after a few years of patience.

Graham - exciting but still raw and there have been reports of concentration issues. I fear his breakout may be another year away

Sproles - reliable, good bet to pick up most of Bush's work but he may be prone to a learning curve with this rather complex offense

Moore - hands like glue, big contract as desired from Brees himself, gushing reports out of camp, and tons of experience in this offense running multiple routes from multiple positions

So just looking at Brees' options, I think Moore is a no brainer to be the most consistent (pretty important in PPR) and has the demonstrated upside to approach top 10 numbers (I don't expect him to, however). I agree the Saints should be expected to run more, which will limit opportunities for everyone in the passing game. But if we're talking about PPR sleepers, I still like a guy with his hands and versatility playing with a QB like Brees to outperform his ADP of 117 and WR43 ranking dramatically.

Agree with him outperforming ADP, with you all the way on that. Just think comments about a possible top 10 season are going a little far

 

[FF Ninja]

Sproles is a great 3rd down back, but is he a Reggie Bush clone? Hardly. They are both good at what they do, but just because they both have caught a lot of passes doesn't mean they do it on the same type of plays. I don't watch all the Saints and Charges games, but I feel like Bush lines up as a slot WR and Sproles is more of a screen pass/dump off type of guy. I really doubt the addition of Sproles leaves Moore's production the same as it was when Bush was in the lineup. There is way too much knee jerk reaction in here. Bush never panned out as a pure runner, but he was a special player. It is meant as no disrespect to Sproles (who plays his role quite well) when I say that he is no Reggie Bush. Therefore, everyone needs to settle down. Moore presents terrific value at his current non-ppr ADP of WR46 (there are plenty of guys in the 30's that I'd draft him over). And if I were to dabble in the girls' game of ppr, he would present terrific value at WR43 there.

 

[-jb-]

And if I were to dabble in the girls' game of ppr...

 

[cvnpoka]

Sproles is a great 3rd down back, but is he a Reggie Bush clone? Hardly. They are both good at what they do, but just because they both have caught a lot of passes doesn't mean they do it on the same type of plays. I don't watch all the Saints and Charges games, but I feel like Bush lines up as a slot WR and Sproles is more of a screen pass/dump off type of guy. I really doubt the addition of Sproles leaves Moore's production the same as it was when Bush was in the lineup. There is way too much knee jerk reaction in here. Bush never panned out as a pure runner, but he was a special player. It is meant as no disrespect to Sproles (who plays his role quite well) when I say that he is no Reggie Bush. Therefore, everyone needs to settle down. Moore presents terrific value at his current non-ppr ADP of WR46 (there are plenty of guys in the 30's that I'd draft him over). And if I were to dabble in the girls' game of ppr, he would present terrific value at WR43 there.

ive come close to typing this almost word for word many times. we share the same perception.

 

[nyy45]

I remember last year's Lance Moore thread (or some other), someone put up a stat regarding Lance Moore's targets/production with and without Reggie Bush in the lineup. It was a serious difference. Wondering if anyone has that stat?

Also, I would have to agree that Sproles will have a different defined role than Bush, although they can both do the same thing. I don't see Sproles eating into Lance Moore's production like Reggie Bush did. Bush basically made Moore a non factor. I don't see Sproles doing that.

Sidenote- the Lance Moore hype 2 years ago really screwed me in my 2009 draft..the Reggie Bush effect wasn't truly noticeable until last year I believe..

 

[Cookiemonster]

Sproles is a great 3rd down back, but is he a Reggie Bush clone? Hardly. They are both good at what they do, but just because they both have caught a lot of passes doesn't mean they do it on the same type of plays. I don't watch all the Saints and Charges games, but I feel like Bush lines up as a slot WR and Sproles is more of a screen pass/dump off type of guy. I really doubt the addition of Sproles leaves Moore's production the same as it was when Bush was in the lineup. There is way too much knee jerk reaction in here. Bush never panned out as a pure runner, but he was a special player. It is meant as no disrespect to Sproles (who plays his role quite well) when I say that he is no Reggie Bush. Therefore, everyone needs to settle down. Moore presents terrific value at his current non-ppr ADP of WR46 (there are plenty of guys in the 30's that I'd draft him over). And if I were to dabble in the girls' game of ppr, he would present terrific value at WR43 there.

ive come close to typing this almost word for word many times. we share the same perception.

+1 (not the ppr dig)

 

[Chris Yandek]

What kind of numbers do you expect out of him this year guys? I used him a lot last year in my keeper league. Will he step up this year?

 

[cvnpoka]

70/1000/8 is decently optimistic imo. theres only enough plays on that team and as valhalla broke down, theres a lot of mouths to feed.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I remember last year's Lance Moore thread (or some other), someone put up a stat regarding Lance Moore's targets/production with and without Reggie Bush in the lineup. It was a serious difference. Wondering if anyone has that stat?

Also, I would have to agree that Sproles will have a different defined role than Bush, although they can both do the same thing. I don't see Sproles eating into Lance Moore's production like Reggie Bush did. Bush basically made Moore a non factor. I don't see Sproles doing that.

Sidenote- the Lance Moore hype 2 years ago really screwed me in my 2009 draft..the Reggie Bush effect wasn't truly noticeable until last year I believe..

Why? This is a big assertion - what makes you take that position?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Just took him WR36 at the 8.06 in BB redraft

I like the posts and this was a great thread. Fact is he was top25 last year and the Saints ponied up $21m or thereabout for this guy.

In 2008 he racked up 79/928/10TD, Last year he was good for 66/763/8TD...2 of the last 3 years he was top 20-25 and he is going well after the first 30 WRs are off the board. Just seems like good value and a smart pick towards the end of the single digit rounds. I doubt you will get him in round 10 or later as the season gets closer.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I remember last year's Lance Moore thread (or some other), someone put up a stat regarding Lance Moore's targets/production with and without Reggie Bush in the lineup. It was a serious difference. Wondering if anyone has that stat?

Also, I would have to agree that Sproles will have a different defined role than Bush, although they can both do the same thing. I don't see Sproles eating into Lance Moore's production like Reggie Bush did. Bush basically made Moore a non factor. I don't see Sproles doing that.

Sidenote- the Lance Moore hype 2 years ago really screwed me in my 2009 draft..the Reggie Bush effect wasn't truly noticeable until last year I believe..

Why? This is a big assertion - what makes you take that position?

Sproles caught close to 60 in San Diego last year. He will have a roe in the offense no doubt. But there is plenty of room for both of them IMO and Moore has already broken the top25 2 of the last 3 seasons. I also think it is worth noting that Moore has worked with Brees for several years and Sproles will have to earn that relationship with Brees.